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Violence 11 August 2009

Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, 2012 Re Election, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.

Clouds over the Alabama Hills and the Sierra Nevada mountains near the town of Lone Pine in central California [GETTY]

Because I raised it in the last thread, the toll taker killing was a domestic dispute… and shooter got his wife (or common law wife, not sure) and the interloper into the relationship.  When it first was reported and as details of the killing came out (he shot from outside his vehicle, with a rifle and got off several shots), it was striking if it was itinerant rage.  Toll takers are sitting ducks, in a sense.  But no, domestic.  The shooter is on the run, as of now.


From BHHM in the last thread:

Here’s the deal– I think there is going to be serious, serious trouble after this Summer Recess.
The Beholden Fucks.
WHAT WOULD THEY DO? So they Punted and RAN,
hoping the August venting of spleens will pass Left and Right….

Clue: The Anger and Hostility is REAL. And its primarily ECONOMIC.

Do I know what is coming. Surely not. But the hyperbole around the current issues is worrisome. Both sides. And whatever is coming, BOTH ”sides”, the leaders, the elites, want.

Just in the great natural flux of things, the “reaction” to Obama was going to be hard right wing populism. There never was much question of that in my mind. On the other hand, is the so called ”opposition”, currently in power to massive degrees, fostering / implying racism and threat in all or almost all opposition to Obama, oh, they are.

They are.  We have Krugman among others calling the ”birther” movement “racist”.  Oh please.  What were the Swift Boat Vets For Truth then?

February of 2008, I called it “Assassination Masturbation“.  Reading it over, I see I left out the very thing that made me settle on the words, assassination masturbation, it was a multi-page slobber in TNR by Michelle Cottle on MO.  And it did drip, all over my floor.  And, was accompanied by a magazine illustration of MO in a November 22 1963 Dallas pink pill box hat.

Don’t go there, don’t want to go there.  My guess, more and more, is they DO want to go there.  To endlessly foster how precious he is, how vulnerable.  As he carries out state business, state war, state retrenchment.  GMAFB.

Frankly this whole issue of how precious and vulnerable he is was one reason I thought he should never be president.  I want someone stronger.  Which is not an endorsement of Hillary nor McCain.  Nor witch-woman-for-all-time, Palin

Who shot Reagan?  Who shot Ford?  It swirls around them all in a volatile country where issues are never never resolved.

The “opposition” neatly forgets that in 2006 a movie came out based on the assassination of Bush 2. Not some fuzzy generic pretzel, no, the killing of Bush. IIRC it was entitled, The Killing of a President. I stumbled across it the other night at Netflix.

So my words to the Democrats would be some worn-out-girl-cat-growl of Grow the Fuck Up.

But of course their moves are as tactical as the Right Wing.

Would elites decide the country is ungovernable (or, they prefer not to govern)? They could. Perhaps they have. Why not. They would know best! Would they decide some parts, certain strata of society should have their fuses lit? Sure, why not.

Ruthless days. Dangerous days.



1. marisacat - 11 August 2009


[T]hey truly, truly viewed the George W. Bush presidency as a unique rupture in American history, a time outside of time, and all the howling about the mendacious, lying, violent, dishonest, opaque, nightmarish, totalitarian government during the past eight years simply lost its relevance when Barack Obama took over. It no longer obtained. They do not conceive any continuity in the American government; they imagine that each new presidential election represents a new incarnation, a new cosmic cycle, a new creation. snip

Yes, the nut, so to speak, of our problems. Ever new, the people think it is.

2. marisacat - 12 August 2009


I am listening to the third set of Democratic machine politics from KGO… it began 7 – 10 pm with a older white former – card carrying – Libertarian host (eh registered as Democrat just for Ob!), continued, 10 – 1 am with a black Democrat… and now has the third, over night segment, the host a mixed race Democratic operative who has run a lot of what I would call cohort games around town for 30 + years…..

he says we are in a “racial social crisis”.

Oh honey… when not?

Don’t make me laugh TOO HARD now, I might choke and miss a chapter in The Great American Experiment.

3. marisacat - 12 August 2009

Here is a case I never heard anything about, at all. 11 years later they are still in prison.

[G]erardo Hernández, Ramón Labañino, Antonio Guerrero, Fernando González and René González were detained in the early hours of Saturday September 12th, 1998, and locked for the next 17 months in punishment cells, in solitary confinement. The main accusation against them–as recognized by the prosecutors and the judge from their indictment to the last day of the trial–was that they had peacefully, with no weapons, penetrated ant-Cuban terrorist groups with a view of reporting back to Cuba about their criminal plans.

In Leonard Weinglass words:

“The trial was kept secret by the American media. It is inconceivable that the longest trial in the United States at the time it was taking place was only covered by the local Miami press, particularly where generals and an admiral as well as a White House advisor were all called to testify for the defense. Where was the American media for six months? Not only was this the longest trial, but it was the one case involving mayor issues of foreign policy and international terrorism. The question should be directed to the American media, with continues to refuse to cover a case with such gross violations of fundamental rights, and even violations of human rights of prisoner”.
( http://www.antiterroristas.cu September 12, 2003).

4. marisacat - 12 August 2009

hm I was reading around the contrarian blogs… and noticed that Al Schuman at SMBIVA called tristero who posts at Digby, a “procedural capitulation artist”.

A good description for many.

Kinda sums up this piece from Hedges on Nader.

catnip - 12 August 2009


I know only one thing for sure: The whole liberal-progressive constituency is going nowhere.”


ms_xeno - 12 August 2009

Which reminds me:

I don’t know how much more mileage the Dems are going to get from Nader. You can still set legions of them off very easily by mentioning his name, of course. OTOH, so many of those freshly-scrubbed, spankin’ new Obama voters are too young to remember 1999. It’s ancient history in political time. They may not be all that impressed with the dust-it-off-and-flog-it-for-catharsis method of distraction– at least, not to the degree that their elders would like them to be.

That’s the joy of joblessness. It fuels skepticism by freeing up hours of time in which people might actually start to think. There’s always the possibility that some of the youngsters may be starting to understand that they were sold a false bill of goods. In that case, the Dems will need a fresh new “now” scapegoat from what remains of the “Left,” and right now there just isn’t one looming on the horizon.


5. marisacat - 12 August 2009

hmm inevitably “acting stupidly” has become Ob’s “mission accomplished”.


From an expert in criminal justice:

[I]f Obama thinks the Cambridge police ‘acted stupidly’ by arresting Skip Gates, I wonder what adverb he’d use to describe his own latest police strategy in the War on Drugs in Afghanistan. ‘Gee, let’s kill the top drug dealers.’ Sounds smart at first glance, but given how lucrative the drug trade is, what do you think will happen after few of the top leaders are bumped off? Answer: others will compete to take their places. Police in the United States are just beginning to admit that their own efforts to remove drug dealers from the street drug markets of the late 1980s may have been the cause of the spike in violence in America’s cities in this same period. Why? Because the police operations threw drug markets into chaos, leading to a ruthless competition among those who would take the place of the dealers whom the police were eliminating. In short, this is a formula to escalate the cycle of violence in Afghanistan, not to end it. For anyone who’s been awake and watching the many failed strategies in the US war on drugs at home, it just looks stupid. snip

One commenter adds that Obama’s policy is so absurd it is hard to believe it is not satire.

6. catnip - 12 August 2009

I thought this was a bizarre moment in Obamalama’s health care “town hall” yesterday. An 11 yr old (whose mother, btw, was a huge Obama donor and operative) asks a simple question and Obama answers her like she’s supposed to be able to understand (in very adult-level language and in his long-winded way) wtf he’s talking about.

7. BooHooHooMan - 12 August 2009

Town halls..Violence…Divide et impera..

Poor Ob. Poor Gibbs…
The AF Won ‘d Chore ….and treefort chatter of slingshots reaching 30,000 feet…perhaps a fish or divided loaves hitting them low as they chopper out to the flotsam..

I can only imagine the prep for these performances…

Mr. President,…Whatever the question – answer it this way ..
It’s Allways Worked !

Sigh. Well Helen, – Amber is it?
Well ..it’s been “difficult” throughout
Life Boat Dillemma, USA….But this is America.

Would you like a cracker?
You like Crackers don’t you?

But let me be clear… if YOU and YOUR Mom and Dad keep rowing the boat….. Now it’s true, it’s true…it’s important to keep that blanket on…but if Mom and Dad and all YOUR Neighbors keep their strength up and stroke those oars like Only Americans can do…
…in “working through” that scuffling you’ve seen here onboard, and those other people currently in the water and trying to climb in…? —
Well..well…Well Helen, – Amber is it?

8. marisacat - 12 August 2009

1, 2, 3, shoe drop.

The Enquirer says Edwards is a father. Of the Hunter Babeeee. That DNA proves it.

Considering their track record… 😆 they are right, I would guess.

One of my most favorite political moments was when EE said to Oprah that John knew no more about whose the baby was than she did.

Did she miss sex ed? In and around having 4 children herself.

BooHooHooMan - 12 August 2009

Well I’d certainly like a cigar!

marisacat - 12 August 2009

… at the least!

BooHooHooMan - 12 August 2009

All those years voting Dem? Damn Straight.

Instead of a coffee mug or button tho-, why can’t the DNC just allow you to “adopt” these waifs? You know, maybe some correspondence and an accompanying picture of the child standing by the hut- the pool hut at the Homestead –The tennis huy at the Greenbriar, the ski hut in Aspen.. …LOL.

Donate NOW!!!!

Hey – must suck to be Trippi… the Feds poking around…
And yes I’m gonna fuckin quote the Enquirer – I’ll do it – LOL-
I have no reputation or shame.. LOL

But The ENQUIRER has also learned that Rielle testified against Edwards before a federal grand jury that’s probing whether he broke campaign finance laws by secretly funneling money to her – and her testimony could send the former North Carolina senator to jail!

The positive DNA test finally ends the elaborate cover-up that Edwards engineered to hide the fact that he fathered Rielle’s 18-month-old daughter Frances.

As The ENQUIRER previously reported in a series of explosive investigative reports, the cover-up involved “hush money” paid to Rielle and Andrew Young, a once-loyal Edwards aide who claimed he’d fathered her child. The secret payments were made by the late Fred Baron, who was Edwards’ national finance chairman.

BooHooHooMan - 12 August 2009

There’s gotta be something left…
A little jar of Dailykos/ Official CoBranded Campaign
Dicklube ..
Something.. Something to hold on to…

John Edwards: $7 Million Dollars In One Day –
Make It Happen

by KingOneEye
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Just one teensy weensy sperm? Anything?
A little love for “the base”?

BooHooHooMan - 12 August 2009

the imploding after exploding date on the Edwards piece is bad enough.

But talk about RFLMAO hilarious!
The Diarist’s name.


marisacat - 12 August 2009


fortunately nto all of us are blind as dead bats.

marisacat - 12 August 2009

remember when he suddenly dropped out, a bare month later, indicating he would relinquish to history what was to happen… a sotto voce slap at Hillary, I took ti to be. he was big enough to bow to the new over lord, Obama — and she should too.

Meanwhile Rielle had popped out, or was about to pop out the kid.

Gotta love politics. It raises us up. To god.

marisacat - 12 August 2009

oh I am fine with the Enquirer… I was chided after the Vtech killings as the UK Mirror sussed out his sister with some detail (way too connected to def interests in Iraq). I read it over, it hung together for me… so I posted it. I was told to be careful it is a tabloid.

Yeah… 😆 it is!

BooHooHooMan - 12 August 2009

Yep. Either they got the goods or they don’t.

marisacat - 12 August 2009

I’d add, a lot has unraveled since Baron died. Edwards so needed his big bucks friends.. and I am sure they ALL, like Bunny Mellon, were only with him for his [lying] drivel for the poor.

None of which he ever meant.

9. BooHooHooMan - 12 August 2009

Of “Thrusting Edwards” and Media Visability. LOL

Sorry for being so blabby, but in retrospect KingOneEye’s dailykos diary is absolutely priceless..

If successful, it should generate some press in time for the Sunday papers and news programs. Then on Monday, there is the debate in South Carolina, where Edwards could promote the results. This would then be followed by the primary on Saturday which, hopefully, would benefit from the newly enhanced press attention.

If we believe that the media is unfairly slanting coverage, it is up to us to do something about it. We must not let them make our decisions for us. By thrusting Edwards‘ visibility forward with financial support that makes the press do a double take, we are effectively slapping the collective faces of the reporters who think they know what they’re talking about; of the pundits who think they know what’s best; of the blowhards like Bill O’Reilly who dismissively wave off our candidates as phonies and losers.


On Friday, January 18, go to the donation page at JohnEdwards.com and make a donation for whatever you can afford. Personally, I think Clinton and Obama supporters should do this as well in order to stick it to the media. I’m sure they will consider that a disingenuous ploy to squeeze money out of them, but it isn’t. I am completely serious when I say that the press is out there to do us harm. It may be Edwards now, but it will be your candidate later. So this opportunity to spank them is worth embracing.

Richard Nixon much? LOL. Or one of Joe Trippi’s sock puppets?

10. ms_xeno - 12 August 2009

If I have to listen to all this yammer about thrusting and spanking from people I don’t even know, shouldn’t they be paying me?

I mean, really. Love alone doesn’t buy the cat’s meds, y’know…

BooHooHooMan - 12 August 2009

😆 ( hey – you )

ms_xeno - 12 August 2009

Not now, Honey. Mama’s setting up her tip jar. :p

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 August 2009

Shut Yer Mouth: Man Gets 6 Months for Yawning

Clifton Williams didn’t and he’s been sentenced to six months in jail for yawning.

“I was flabbergasted because I didn’t realize a judge could do that,” Williams’ father, Clifton Williams Sr., told the Chicago Tribune. “It seems to me like a yawn is an involuntary action.”

Williams, 33, attended his cousin’s July hearing at Will County Courthouse in Joliet. His cousin, Jason Mayfield, pled guilty to a felony drug charge. As the judge sentenced Mayfield to two years probation, Williams let out a yawn, an involuntary faux pas in such a formal setting.

Circuit Judge Daniel Rozak thought the yawn was criminal and sentenced Williams to six months in jail, the maximum penalty for contempt of court without a jury trial. Rozak’s order said that Williams “raised his hands while at the same time making a loud yawning sound,” causing a disrespectful interruption in court.

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 August 2009

“We were a little surprised”

In the immortal words of Yogi Berra, “it’s deja vu all over again.”

This morning, as I scanned a New York Times story about President Obama’s “new playbook” for the health care debate, I was stopped by this paragraph:

“And Democratic Party officials enlisted in the fight by the White House acknowledged in interviews that the growing intensity of the opposition to the president’s health care plans — within the last week likened on talk radio to something out of Hitler’s Germany, lampooned by protesters at Congressional town-hall-style meetings and vilified in television commercials — had caught them off guard and forced them to begin an August counteroffensive.”

Then, a few paragraphs later, a top Democratic communicator weighed in: “To be fair, I think we were probably a little surprised – just a little – at the use of swastikas and the comparisons to Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich that even Rush Limbaugh has fanned the flames on. And we were a little surprised at the mob mentality.”

Then, farther down in the piece, an Obama administration deputy added this: “The lesson we’ve learned is you ignore these rumors at your peril, and the right answer is to take them head on in as big a way as possible.”

All the italics are mine. All of which prompts me to wonder (for the umpteenth time) whether there is some fundamental flaw in the Democratic gene pool that fuels their perpetually delusional belief that noble intentions are sufficient to prevail in a knife fight.

They were “caught off guard” by the cacophonous conservative assault on health care reform. They were “probably a little surprised.” They now insist that they have learned “lessons” about how it’s nuts to simply let the nuts peddle their lies.

This is where Yogi’s deja vu rule kicks in. Over and over, decade after decade, the Democrats have revealed their naivete.

Back in the 1988 presidential race, it was Mike Dukakis; amidst all the smears being heaped upon him by the Republicans during that long hot summer (polluter! pal of rapist! funny Greek name! crazy wife! flag-hater!), the candidate and his advisers sat back and did nothing, convinced that voters would never swallow such slop. They did, he plummeted in the polls, and he never recovered.

During the 1993-4 health care reform battle, the Clinton White House was outmaneuvered by the Republican right and their corporate allies, who swayed the electorate with all kinds of devious hyperbole. And, more recently, in the 2004 presidential race, John Kerry and his advisers sat back and did nothing for three crucial summer weeks, absolutely convinced that voters would never believe the Swift Boat attacks on his Vietnam record. That strategy worked out pretty well.

And now we have the Obama people, waking up to the idea that maybe it’s not politically wise to sit mute and allow themselves to be tarred as fascists who would euthanize granny, ration health care, and slash Medicare benefits. (It’s priceless to hear the Republicans portraying themselves as the defenders of Medicare, given the fact that, if they had been in charge back in 1965, they never would have enacted Medicare in the first place. But I digress.)

The Republican right understands the power of the visceral; it knows how to stoke emotions at the expense of civility. This is not exactly a fresh observation, yet it’s amazing how flat-footed Democrats seem always to discover it anew. They seem forever convinced that the power of high ideals should be sufficient for victory – that, in the present case, Americans should simply be convinced, on the merits, that health care reform is preferable to the dysfunctional status quo. As Howard Paster, Clinton’s health care guy in 1993, told The Times this morning, “The expectation (among the Obama people) was that things have gotten so bad in the last 16 years that there would be a consensus on the need to act this time.”

But that’s not how the other team plays the game. Indeed, numerous Democratic strategists and commentators have been trying to make this point for a long time. A couple years ago, for instance, radio host and ex-California Democratic chairman Bill Press offered this advise to his brethren: “In politics, if somebody slaps you on the cheek, you punch him in the nose. Then you punch him in the gut. Then you kick him in the groin. Then you crack a chair over his head. Then, just to make sure, you jump up and down on top of him with both feet…The only way to win is to fight back. Hard and tough. If they don’t, they don’t deserve to win.”

marisacat - 12 August 2009

i saw a poster today at a rally… shoing the Obama administration as the Hindenburg.

Bet that surprised them a little.

A campaign is one thing, being The Administration in office is another. Meanwhile there are articles around abut what a micromanager he is. They might want to rethink that one. This week he said AARP endorsed his plan (what plan? w e have 5 bills, three of which as I understand it can be downloaded but god knows how many amendments) two weeks ago he said Mayo Clinic endorsed it (again, ther is no “it”)

Not taht any of this matters in a house on fire.

ms_xeno - 12 August 2009

…the Clinton White House was outmaneuvered by the Republican right and their corporate allies…

So the faithful still want to peddle the mythos that only Republicans have “corporate allies.”

Ready the handcuffs. I’m about to let out the Big Daddy of all yawns, America.

Madman in the Marketplace - 12 August 2009

for the donks, they’re not corporate ALLIES, they’re corporate SUPPORTERS.



13. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 August 2009

Helen Thomas

I covered the battle to create the Medicare system back in the 1960s. The cries of “socialized medicine” worked for years until President Lyndon B. Johnson rammed Medicare through Congress in 1965.

Johnson signed the Medicare legislation on former President Harry Truman’s desk in Independence, Mo. Truman had first proposed a health care program for the elderly back in the 1950s.

Truman, still feisty at age 81, was all smiles.

I remember a newsman went up to Johnson and told him “my mother thanks you.” Johnson turned to him and said: “You should thank me,” meaning Medicare would help families with the increasingly heavy financial burden of caring for seniors.

What kind of a country are we if we do not provide everyone with the excellent medical care that only some of us now receive?

I continue to think the so-called single payer system is the only answer to the nation’s obligation to make sure that no one lacks health care. Yes, single payer means a government-run health insurance program for all — the prevailing system in Canada and in many nations in Europe.

At this point under the current employer-provided private health insurance system, 47 million Americans have no coverage and more are losing what they have every day through job loss in this devastating recession.

President Barack Obama is making a big mistake by ignoring the single-payer proposal.

Because the words “single payer” have been subjected to such pervasive demagoguery and misrepresentation, its polling numbers do not reflect how popular it really is.

In a Kaiser Family Foundation poll last month, 58 percent of Americans either strongly or somewhat favored a program to provide insurance “through an expanded, universal form of Medicare-for-all.”

That’s basically the same as single payer. But once the same poll actually used the words “single payer” to describe the program, support dropped to 51 percent.

In 2003 before he became a U.S. senator from Illinois, Obama actually called himself a single-payer “proponent.” But now that he is president, Obama has buckled to Republicans and conservative Blue Dog Democrats in pursuit of consensus. My question is if Congress passes a watered-down version of health care that doesn’t truly cover everyone, is the result worth it?

The president has given no hearing to the advocates of a single-payer system and neither has the media.

He also had worked out a deal with the drug manufacturers not to use the federal government’s massive bargaining power to negotiate lower drug prices — although now the White House appears to be having second thoughts.

Single payer works; it is not code for substandard medical care.

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 August 2009

Glen Ford

At some point in last year’s presidential election campaign, Barack Obama went on Bill O’Reilly’s show to concede that maybe the war in Iraq, and Bush’s murderous escalation of that war, the so-called surge, were not such bad ideas after all. Obama met with the admirals and generals and came away declaring that withdrawal from Iraq really meant withdrawal to secure bases inside Iraq. A US troop pullout would not happen until well into his second term, if then, with the accent on the “if.”

Casting the wishes of most Americans and the overwhelming majority of his own party under the bus, Democratic leaders and the corporate media told us all, was the wise, the realistic, the pragmatic thing to do. The election, they said, would be waged on domestic policy, on health care. Barack Obama has again and again doubled down on that set of promises, declaring that his first term should be judged on whether he manages to deliver comprehensive, affordable health care to everybody, including the nation’s fifty million uninsured.

Seven months into his administration, Barack Obama has never been the antiwar president. He was the first president in American history to keep a Secretary of Defense appointed by the other party. Obama is not the anti-warrantless wiretapping president, or the anti-torture president or the anti-NAFTA president, or the pro-public education president, either. He bought GM but refused to use it as a lever to create a new passenger rail industry or green jobs, instead crushing the auto workers and forsaking his promises to make it easier to organize unions. Obama has transferred, as Glen Ford points out, $12 trillion dollars to fraudulent Wall Street banksters, more than all previous presidents combined. Beyond the lovely wife and family, and the novelty of a black president who speaks full sentences in correct English, not much is left of the man or the cause tens of millions thought they voted for.

It looks like Barack Obama won’t be the health care president either. Obama’s health care plan is so full of concessions to drug companies, so crammed with a constantly growing list of bailouts and exceptions for insurance companies that the White House is deliberately withholding information on it from Obama’ own supporters. Organizing For America, the remnant of the Obama campaign and inheritor of its 13 million strong email and phone list, is calling supporters to canvass and turn out for health care “town meetings,” but dares not tell people exactly what they are supporting. For a while it was something called “the public option,” which would compete with and keep the insurance companies honest. Now it’s something even cloudier, called a health co-op.

marisacat - 12 August 2009

he’s a folding match book. And weak!

For which I was specifically criticised last year. HE”S WEAK.

15. marisacat - 12 August 2009

😆 Strain? STRAIN??? I think we are past strain.

The town hall brawls over health care reform are already driving down public support for the effort – but that’s not the worst of the danger to the White House.

They could also give cover to some big business players, who’ve shied away from challenging the White House, to turn their guns on the reform agenda and kill it — just like they did more than a decade ago.

And if you read between the lines of the industry’s messages, it’s pretty clear they are keeping that option on the table despite a public alliance with President Barack Obama.

Some drug and insurance companies, along with business groups, are working furiously behind the scenes to shape reform in their image – but failing that, they’re preparing a Plan B that includes going negative.

Already there are signs of strain.


Cue the stories on Bachman. Teddy Kennedy drool stories. Follow Michelle O somewhere. Talk about the smiling kittlepops. Bo The Dog stories. More profiles of his many czars, friends, etc.

PLEASE leave early for the Vineyard. Puhleeeze.

marisacat - 12 August 2009

from the second page of the Politico article… this can signal collapse of the whole thing… because my understanding, one reason for the big putsch for “reform” is that companies/corps, more and more, want to drop providign insurance coverage as a benefit… so I have assumed we would probably end up with badly formed private choices, too expensive, tied to mandatory and with penalties, like MASS… and really bad public option that companies would slowly dump peopel into. there is nothing to stop them from doing this, as the bills stand now. At least my read on it…


The insurance industry is in a much more delicate political situation.

With bipartisan support for some types of insurance reform, the industry can’t risk losing its seat at the negotiating table by aggressively opposing a public plan option, which it claims will kill their industry.

But it may have gotten lucky. Opposition to a public plan is mounting from business, hospitals and other groups. So, insurers are able to support the fight without being at its vanguard.

sort of like TARP money back doored from one failing, greedy financial entity t another.

16. marisacat - 12 August 2009

i figure there is a ton of comedic materiel here!


The only thing more boring than panel discussions about politics and the Internet are blog posts about panel discussions about politics and the Internet. This year’s Netroots Nation conference—the congregation of bloggers and activists formerly known as YearlyKos—features “70 panels, 20 training sessions, a screening series and tons of parties and events.” At any given moment, there are about 10 events going on simultaneously.

he s dropping in on all 70

moiv - 12 August 2009

And so far, not a single person has cared enough about any of it to leave a comment.

Somewhere in heaven, Saul Alinsky is weeping.

marisacat - 12 August 2009

I am surprised the Cahtolic church pro life groups aren’t routing people thru there…

moiv - 12 August 2009
Madman in the Marketplace - 12 August 2009

Saul Alinsky’s tactics have been adopted by the right …

17. moiv - 12 August 2009

Fetus Signs Licensing Deal

ChristianShirts.net, a faith-based retailer of pro-family and pro-life apparel and other novelties has signed a licensing agreement with cartoonist Gary Cangemi, creator of Umbert the Unborn, a pro-life comic strip about a child in the womb now in its ninth year of publication.

Umbert doesn’t have a web site; he has a ‘womb site‘ whose readers are urged to “Protect Social Security ~ Stop Aborting Future Contributors!” and “Declare the Womb a Protected Wetland”

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 12 August 2009

Jeff Sharlett is on the Daily Show tonight talking about “The Family”.

moiv - 12 August 2009

Dr. Warren Hern was on with Maddow, and she just leaned back and let him talk.

marisacat - 12 August 2009

oh thanks I will check the transcript tomorrow…

Madman in the Marketplace - 12 August 2009

damn, I missed him. Will have to look for the video tomorrow.

19. marisacat - 12 August 2009

Riding on the FP top of the column. Not sure the title really matches the text.

Obama Injects Himself Into Health Talks, Despite Risks

Published: August 12, 2009

WASHINGTON — In pursuing his proposed overhaul of the health care system, President Obama has consistently presented himself as aloof from the legislative fray, merely offering broad principles. Prominent among them is the creation of a strong, government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers and press for lower costs.

Behind the scenes, however, Mr. Obama and his advisers have been quite active, sometimes negotiating deals with a degree of cold-eyed political realism potentially at odds with the president’s rhetoric.

Last month, for example, hospital officials were poised to appear at the White House to announce a deal limiting their industry’s share of the costs of the overhaul proposal when a wave of jitters swept through the group. Senator Max Baucus, the Finance Committee chairman and a party to the deal, had abruptly pulled out of the event. Was he backing away from his end of the deal?

Not to worry, Jim Messina, deputy White House chief of staff, told the lobbyists, according to White House officials and lobbyists briefed on the call. The White House was standing behind the deal, Mr. Messina said, capping the industry’s costs at a maximum of $155 billion over 10 years in trade for its political support. snip

Poor wee Ob. Just a front man for … cold eyed political realists. Oh yeah sure I buy that one. Well, it’s a story anyway.

From what I have read the Senate bill is one that is NOT available for download.

LOL Convenient!

The Finance Committee, for example, appears to be coalescing around the idea of nonprofit insurance cooperatives instead of a government-run plan. It is a proposal the health care industry prefers, but many liberal Democrats oppose, in both cases because cooperatives are likely to have less leverage over health care prices.

Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, disputed that the administration had elevated the work of the Senate finance panel above the four other committees that have all approved strong government insurers.

marisacat - 12 August 2009

and a little farther down, BINGO

Several hospital lobbyists involved in the White House deals said it was understood as a condition of their support that the final legislation would not include a government-run health plan paying Medicare rates — generally 80 percent of private sector rates — or controlled by the secretary of health and human services.

“We have an agreement with the White House that I’m very confident will be seen all the way through conference,” a lobbyist, Chip Kahn, director of the Federation of American Hospitals, told a Capitol Hill newsletter.

marisacat - 12 August 2009

keep laughing:

Representative Henry A. Waxman, the California Democrat who is chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee, said Mr. Obama had assured House members that he did not intend to let the Senate Finance Committee determine the final bill.

“This is going to be a genuine conference with give and take,” Mr. Waxman said. He added: “The president has said he wants a public option to keep everybody honest. He hasn’t said he wants a co-op as a public option.”

Still, industry lobbyists say they are not worried. “We trust the White House,” Mr. Kahn said. “We are confident that the Senate Finance Committee will produce a bill we fully can endorse.”

20. marisacat - 12 August 2009

Former eidtor of the New England Journal of Medicine:


So are you opposing this reform?


I am, though not for the same reasons as the Republicans and Blue Dogs. I’m opposing it more in sorrow than in anger. I’m afraid the president squandered a good opportunity.

21. catnip - 12 August 2009

There really is a lack of Bo the Dog stories. I’m just sayin’…

Maybe he could do a little health care infomercial.

marisacat - 12 August 2009

Bo: I like my vet and Big Daddy O says I can stay with my chosen provider. Then he gets carted away.. for walkies.

Before he spills that he is secretly listed as the 101st senator on the dole.

22. ms_xeno - 12 August 2009

Speaking of dogs, is there a pool regarding how long before Conyers will have to publicly wear the dog collar for Emmanuel “Shut Up, You Whiners” Rahm– in the wake of the former having described Hopeman’s healthcare plan as “crap”?

Either somebody will have to do some public kissing-up soon, or there’s going to be some very awkward moments a few months from now when all the X-mas card lists are being compiled…

marisacat - 12 August 2009

I htink they let Conyers pop off.. and have enough on him, his wife and whomever else to shut him up if he goes too far. Just my opinion.

I do think ob is winning enemies in the congress over this.. but .. what else is new. Not like he and MO plan to retire to congress.

Tho I could see them staying in DC, between Chicago and Dc… and some place like Antiqua.

23. ms_xeno - 12 August 2009

I was amazed that he got away with even that much. [shrug]

Didn’t Shrub buy a huge compound in Paraguay or someplace like that? Obama could buy the compound next door and then the families could spend the X-mas recess together.

marisacat - 12 August 2009

And Bill C and Hillary can have an adjoining compound. Works for me, esp if they arenot allowed back in…


catnip - 12 August 2009

Watch for a sudden increase in immigration claims to the US from Paraguay. With neighbours like that bunch, I’d be fleeing ASAP.

24. catnip - 12 August 2009
25. catnip - 12 August 2009

Handing out those medals of freedom like candy. Making up for lost time and trying to win hearts and minds. Harvey Milk and Desmond Tutu? It took this long?

marisacat - 12 August 2009

I thought he hit groups he wanted to bolster his cred with. But of course that is cynical and discounts the milk of human kindness.

catnip - 12 August 2009

Yes and, of course, it’s blasphemous too. ;D

ms_xeno - 12 August 2009

Well, there you go. Give a dead activist a medal. That magically undoes all the decades of back-stabbing against his constituents who are still living.

Of course, they’re idiots to expect anything else after all this time, but still…

Forty years from now, one of Obama’s daughters will be President and she can give Peltier’s corpse a medal, too.


26. catnip - 12 August 2009

From the Will You Just Get Therapy Already?? department: Sanford: It’s ‘hard’ living alone in governor’s mansion

27. CSTAR - 12 August 2009

For a second there, I had misread the contraction in your quote.

28. marisacat - 13 August 2009

It will never end. We live in the era of “public safety”… “anti terrorism” …

AIRLINE passengers are asked to remove their shoes, shrink their toiletries and submit to full-body scans. Now one more thing must be inspected: their middle initials.

In an effort to beef up security, the job of matching passengers’ names against terrorist watch lists is being transferred from commercial airlines to the Transportation Security Administration. The government initiative, known as Secure Flight, seeks to reduce the number of times passengers are misidentified as possible terrorists [oh sure!], in part by standardizing how names are matched, but also by now including age and gender in a passenger’s profile.

In the first phase, which was instituted earlier this year, the security agency asked airlines to begin collecting passenger names as they appear exactly, letter for letter, on government-issued IDs like passports and driver’s licenses. The second phase, effective Aug. 15, requests airlines to ask passengers for their gender and date of birth. snip

29. BooHooHooMan - 13 August 2009

via Bloomberg

Madoff Had Affair With Ex-Hadassah Finance Chief, Her Book Says

Oh honey….I understand your relations.

ALL of them.

I know the Deal. Goin to see Earle. Trysts at the waterfront.

marisacat - 13 August 2009

😆 is the ex Finance Chief Cipel’s muther?

30. marisacat - 13 August 2009

it’s just so hard out there for a pol..

Rumours that France’s first couple had set a precise date for starting a family were revealed by the popular weekly magazine Voici.

Mr Sarkozy, 54, has three children from two previous marriages, while his Italian-born former supermodel wife, 41, has one son from a previous relationship.

Quoting sources in the National Assembly, the lower house of parliament, Voici wrote: “The presidential couple are thought to have chosen to keep the ‘pregnancy card’ up their sleeve to ensure public sympathy ahead of the next presidential campaign in 2012. The rumour has been circulating for several weeks.”

marisacat - 13 August 2009

nu post


…………… 😯 ………….

31. BooHooHooMan - 13 August 2009

is the ex Finance Chief Cipel’s muther?

Might as Well Be … LOL.

{…shifting from the sublime to the ridiculous}..Could be worse.tho……bedding down in a spread up in the Vineyard owned by Haley Barbour’s “Environmental Guy”..

Just. hand. them. the club. Then hid behind your daughters.

The luxuriousness of the getaway poses a political challenge for Obama at a time when many Americans are struggling with economic distress. Obama said in a recent interview that he thinks about the hardships facing Americans “every single day,” but he also defended his vacation plans.

“Do I think the American people think that because of those hardships I shouldn’t spend some quality time with my daughters?” Obama said on CBS News. “I don’t think that’s what the American people think about it.”

Obama, first lady Michelle and their two daughters, Malia and Sasha, will be staying at Blue Heron Farm, a 28-acre waterfront estate owned by William Van Devender, a Mississippi timber merchant…

Well Van Devender’s MORE than that.

William J. Van Devender: Mr. Van Devender is a professional investor, real estate developer and venture capitalist, with offices in Jackson, Mississippi. Mr. Van Devender’s current focus in on projects involving wireless communications and timberlands, but, in the last five years alone, Mr. Van Devender has acquired or co-founded businesses as diverse as an integrated catfish grower and processor, a cable television provider for the entire state of Mississippi, and a developer of a cellular telephone system for South Alaska.

Oh Much more than that…he’s a BuB Bub Bubbler all right…….
His big play in Cellu Tissue Holdings?

an established leader…

Our tissue is used in a variety of personal hygienic products, including baby diapers, adult incontinence products, surgical waddings and sponges, feminine protection pads, breast nursing pads, and other medical and sanitary products.

Van Devender’s fluff – the tissue products – not Ob of Pampered August circumstance–

Van Devender’s products end up engorging landfills, Swirling around the Pacific, or washing up on beaches here in the Mid Atlantic from ocean dumping …Haley Barbour appointed him to the Mississippi Commission on Environment Quality. Obama is staying in his house.
The House and Grounds of which have just Bub BuB Bubbled up in value since the nineties…

Just. hand. them. the club…

Blue Heron Farm at Tiah’s Cove Is Sold for $20.35 Million Sum


Blue Heron Farm, the sprawling gentleman’s farm overlooking Tiah’s Cove in Chilmark and West Tisbury that was the former residence of the late M. Anthony (Tony) Fisher and his wife Anne, was sold last week to a Mississippi couple for $20.35 million.

The buyers are William and Mollie Van Devender of Jackson, Miss.

The sale marks the second highest price paid for a single residential property in the history of the Vineyard, coming in just under the $21.89 million paid for the former Peter Sharp home on Starbuck’s Neck in Edgartown in October of 2001.

The transaction was complicated and involved three properties: 29 acres in Chilmark and 3.7 acres across the pond in West Tisbury that together sold for $19.94 million; and a .3-acre beach lot at Quansoo that sold for $410,000.

A 3.9-acre lot that was also owned by the Fishers and considered part of the farm was sold separately to Davis and Merle Wolff of Manhattan last May for $1.1 million, bringing the total sale value to $21.45 million.

Tony and Anne Fisher were killed in an airplane crash in April of 2003.

William Van Devender, a timber businessman, was one of three original investors in the Vineyard Golf Club, a private luxury golf course that was built off the Edgartown-West Tisbury Road five years ago.

The late Mr. Fisher was in charge of leasing and acquisitions at Fisher Brothers, a family-owned real estate firm in Manhattan. At the time of their deaths, the Fishers also had a home in Manhattan.

Mr. Fisher and his first wife, Paula Fisher, bought the bulk of what was to become Blue Heron Farm in 1991. The Fishers paid $1.2 million for a 29-acre parcel with frontage on Cobbs Hill Road.

Mr. Fisher bought the Quansoo beach lot for $65,000 in 1989. In 1993 he bought 3.9 acres on Purdom Road in Chilmark for $219,600.

Mr. Fisher and his first wife later divorced and he took ownership of all the Blue Heron Farm property.

In 1997 Tony and Anne Fisher paid $500,000 for the 3.7-acre parcel on Pond View Farm Road in West Tisbury that adjoins the farm.

When Mr. Fisher bought the sprawling Chilmark property, which overlooks a finger of Tisbury Great Pond, the land had been in the same family for several generations. The land was so overgrown that the pond was not visible from any point on the property.

Mr. Fisher called on a set of skilled Vineyard builders, preservationists and landscapers to make over the property, which he named Blue Heron Farm in honor of a great blue heron that appeared on the edge of the pond one evening.

The workers, who labored on the property nonstop for three years, remodeled the dilapidated farmhouse, brought in and assembled a 150-year-old barn from Pennsylvania, planted an apple orchard, and built a state-of-the-art riding ring with rubberized sand.

A second renovation was underway on the farmhouse at the time of the Fishers’ death.

Good thing Van Devender got a nice deal on his mortgage tho

The Van Devenders financed the $19.94 million portion of the purchase with a $15,262,500 mortgage from the Bank of Martha’s Vineyard, a division of Sovereign Bank. They paid $410,000 in cash for the Quansoo lot. The transactions were recorded Sept. 30 at the Dukes County Registry of Deeds.

Sovereign Bank? Well, They’ve certainly been in all the right places.

[8] Sovereign Bank had been severely affected by losses related to auto loans and stock in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [9]

Freddi Mac CFO David Kellerman’s suicide aside

He (Kellermann) and a group of company attorneys tussled with its regulator in early March as the firm prepared to file its quarterly earnings report with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The group insisted that Freddie Mac inform shareholders of the cost to the company of helping carry out the Obama administration’s housing recovery plan. The regulator urged the company not to do so, according to several sources familiar with the matter. An FHFA official contested that account, saying the regulator did not oppose disclosure but how the information was portrayed in the filing.

And around we go….
Nice to know Ob gets the benefit of vaca in a house with a 15 million dollar mortgage on it from a NJ/ PA Rendell-croney Bank that collapsed (save Federal intervention) , From a Bank that Just. Fuuuuucked Spain’s Banco Santander adding to the havoc in Europe…

The bank has more than $90 billion in assets, operates 750 retail banking offices, over 2,300 ATMs (including 1,100 in CVS pharmacies throughout the Northeast) and employs approximately 12,000 people.[5] The company is based in Wyomissing, Pennsylvania, near Reading, and its principal market is in the Northeastern United States. Sovereign offers an array of financial services and products including retail banking, mortgages, corporate banking, cash management, capital markets, trust and wealth management, and insurance.

The bank has naming rights to the Sovereign Bank Arena in Trenton, New Jersey, the Sovereign Center and Sovereign Performing Arts Center in Reading, Pennsylvania, and Sovereign Bank Stadium in York, Pennsylvania.

On June 1 2006, Sovereign Bank purchased Independence Community Bank Corp. of Brooklyn, New York, for US$3.6 billion in cash. Sovereign completed the transition process of Independence and S.I. Bank & Trust customers on September 9 2006. Sovereign financed this merger by selling a 20% stake in the bank to Spain’s Banco Santander Central Hispano.[6]

In June 2006, Banco Santander purchased almost 20% of Sovereign Bank for US$2.4 billion. As Banco Santander owned 25% of Sovereign, it had the right to buy the bank for $40 per share for one year beginning in the middle of 2008.[7]

On October 13, 2008, Banco Santander agreed to purchase the remainder of Sovereign for US$1.9 billion (1.4 billion euros).[8] Sovereign Bank had been severely affected by losses related to auto loans and stock in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [9]

On January 30, 2009, Banco Santander completed its acquisition of Sovereign Bank, for about $2.51 per share.[10]

The Vinyard house mortgaged From a bank that pinches ATM fees from customers in every CVS Pharmacy throughout the Northeast: “Would you like cash back with that?” {blink blink smile} … From a Bank getting it’s money from the Fed Window to buy up Freddie and Fanny Bullshit, sell IT off, but with money enough to loan Mr Van Devender 15 million and service the good summer villagers up in the Vineyard and Nantucket…

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