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L’Arc de Triomphe 18 August 2009

Posted by marisacat in Afghanistan War, Culture of Death, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.

Scientists begin a three-month Arctic expedition to document the effects of climate change:  Scientists walk on an iceberg… [REUTERS]

From a series at the Telegraph

I thought this one had a familiar apocalyptic feel to it. End of triumph, so to speak… Unravelment (I think I made that word up) of triumphalism.

Speaking of arcs of triumph… the Telegraph headlines, FP top, that they need more troops in Afghanistan. Why even link, the same nasty bloody dirge. Sinkhole of empires. Maybe we and they can follow their more than 150 year old breadcrumbs from the last go ’round.

What a nightmare.



1. marisacat - 18 August 2009

Moving catnip’s last comment forward… since it fits in… (as does everything!)

Afghanistan’s version of STFU: Refrain from reporting violent incidents

Because if no one reports that shit is blowing up then, as we all know, it really isn’t blowing up.

2. marisacat - 18 August 2009

Lordy.. just from the headlines at Democracy NOW!… As indicated, she’ll have a segment on it Wednesday.

In the majority opinion in the Troy Davis case, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote, “The substantial risk of putting an innocent man to death clearly provides an adequate justification for holding an evidentiary hearing.” Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas objected to the court’s decision. Scalia criticized his colleagues for thinking that mere innocence is grounds to overturn a conviction. Scalia wrote, “This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is ‘actually’ innocent.”

We’ll have more on Troy Davis’s case on Wednesday.

Madman in the Marketplace - 19 August 2009

pro-life my ass. why aren’t any Bishops threatening his monstrous ass?

marisacat - 19 August 2009

isn’t that appalling?

moiv - 19 August 2009

Hey, life is not fair. But better a thousand innocent men should die than that the court vary from the gospel of constructionism, coloring only within the immortal lines engraved in stone by the framers themselves.

Certainly they never meant for their sacred text to be altered by so much as a jot or tittle … except for those amendments they tacked on as soon as they realized they’d forgotten some stuff.

Why, anything else would shove us right down the slippery slope of judicial activism, which leads to legislating from the bench and then … EMPATHY!

marisacat - 19 August 2009

Why, anything else would shove us right down the slippery slope of judicial activism, which leads to legislating from the bench and then … EMPATHY!

That made me laugh… and it sure sums it up!

3. marisacat - 18 August 2009

while I was there… Amy has a post up on the genesis of the Canadian system of health care.. (it’s not boring!)

AMY GOODMAN: You know, when Tommy Douglas pushed through universal healthcare, single payer, in Saskatchewan, he had a major opponent: the US American Medical Association, who led a strike of Canadian doctors in Saskatchewan. Despite this more than three-week strike, universal healthcare, single-payer system in Canada, was instituted, first in Saskatchewan, then adopted all over. Explain the system as you have it today. snip

catnip - 19 August 2009

(it’s not boring!)


Saskatchewan: my homeland

That’s why I grew up to be a commie. 😉

4. marisacat - 19 August 2009

At least Marie Cocco is honest. I just finished a piece by Uwe Rheinhardt on the [non existent] health care being shoved forward with a baby spoon by Obama and his -ites – and was sitting here stewing: Gee Uwe, you used to be valuable in this battle.

Phantom of the Health Care Soap Opera

Posted on Aug 17, 2009
By Marie Cocco

I missed the hot fun this summer. While much of America seemed to be screeching over the incredible—in the truest sense of the word—notion that angry citizens could tote a gun even to a town hall meeting with the president of the United States, I was pondering the relative merits of bike ride versus beach walk.

The brouhaha that has stripped away the thin veneer of good will that greeted the start of Barack Obama’s presidency is over health care revision, and specifically over something the media keep calling the “Obama health care plan.”

That one stumps me, too, because there is no “Obama health care plan.” Nor has there ever been one. That’s part of the problem.


Uwe needs to practise: OH-BAH-MAH (he blames everyone else!). Keep saying it.. O B A M A… it will come easier.

5. marisacat - 19 August 2009

hmm Opinionator has a round up of blog commentary on the Whole Foods slam dance. Too bad, long comment from DarkSyde… and Ezra Klein among others.

I did hear that WF cahs inflow got hit hard last week, they feel it.



Strange how many people feel it is odd to withhold your money when you choose to do so…

Madman in the Marketplace - 19 August 2009

I laughed when Whole Foods’ CEO came out so hard against healthcare reform. It’s like Walmart’s CEO advocating for gun control.

Geez, dude, don’t you know your consumers?

marisacat - 19 August 2009

And someone in the thread at Opinionator said the simple truth, WFs has been the Wal Mart of organic. He’s part of the move to shut down small suppliers and weaken the regs on “organic”.

Wee Liberals should not be so shocked shocked shocked.

Madman in the Marketplace - 19 August 2009

it’s just such dumb PR. His scam was working until he started opening his fat mouth.

marisacat - 19 August 2009

yes that is what one commenter at IOZ said, Markey screwed with his own brand.

Kinda dumb.

6. marisacat - 19 August 2009

[W]hat continues to astonish me, however, is what passes for political calculus in the White House these days. I never assumed that Obama would necessarily be any different from Bill Clinton, in the sense that he might actually have a set of good progressive politics or that he might actually give a damn about the American public. No disappointment there (although did he have to be even worse than that, more like Bush than Clinton?). However, I always assume that almost all politicians are completely consumed by the one thing that Clinton was ever truly passionate about: self-interest.

But, even purely from that narrowest of perspectives, does the Obama team actually believe that their strategy is helping their guy politically? Do they really like the way that their failure to articulate a plan, or even a set of fundamental principles, has worked out in terms of shaping the debate over healthcare? Is it really their belief that they can go to the voters in 2012 and win their hearts with a nothingburger healthcare plan, passed three years prior, and due to fully kick in three years hence? I hate more than a root canal sans novocaine to sound like one of the regressives whom I so very much loathe, but if this is the level of political sophistication to be found in the Obama White House, then, no, as a matter of fact, I really don’t want this clown negotiating with Vladimir Putin. . . .


7. marisacat - 19 August 2009

Laugh now:

Republicans signaled Tuesday that dropping the public option would not garner additional GOP backing. Jon Kyl (Ariz.), the second-ranking Senate Republican leader, criticized an alternative idea of creating a private insurance cooperative, calling it a “Trojan horse” that was effectively the same as the public option.

8. marisacat - 19 August 2009

Very funny. Bernie Madoff mistress squeals.

And, at last, we get the secret motivation for the fraud:

“Bernie had a very small penis… Not only was it on the short side, it was small in circumference. That he was now pointing it out to me was telling. It clearly caused him great angst. I wanted to be careful how I responded. Men and their penises have a strange and unique relationship.”

Ruth’s lawyer, by the way, says she didn’t know. About the affair.

BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

That’s why I quickly sought out the Anti Madoff Crew ,
before any strict size requirements were put in place…
Who gives a fuck if he robs people blind, frankly?
Then again, THAT could work , too! LOL.

Maybe Bernies not so bad. I actually have no position on it now.

lucid - 19 August 2009

That’s priceless…

9. marisacat - 19 August 2009


A top secret report by a senior Norwegian diplomat on the performance of United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has been published in Norway. And the diplomat doesn’t mince her words, saying that the South Korean secretary-general has failed the UN in many respects. Its not good timing either: He is due to visit Oslo in two weeks time.

A leaked report by a senior Norwegian diplomat has delivered heavy criticism of United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon. The confidential memorandum, which focused on evaluating the first half of Ban’s term in office, was published by one of Norway’s leading newspapers, Aftenposten — despite the fact that it was stamped “highly confidential” by Norway’s Foreign Ministry. . . .

10. catnip - 19 August 2009

Today’s news from the Walk it Back Gang:

TAKEAWAYS: Here’s what you need to know from Wednesday’s White House briefing by Robert Gibbs.

—On reports of the administration pursuing a Democrats-only strategy on health care, Gibbs continued to push back: “We’re focusing on how to get bipartisan support and how to get members of both parties. … We’re focused on a process that continues in the Senate with both parties.”

I’m shocked I tell ya. Shocked!

—Gibbs dismissed suggestions that supporters of health reform are not energized, saying there are “millions of people out there” who want reform: “Stay tuned…The argument’s not over. The discussion’s not over. The debate’s not over.”

But but but they’re busy writing e-mails and Sending Money Now!. Okay. Maybe they’re too f-ing lazy to get out there on the streets but everybody knows that only dirty fucking hippies and crazed, gun-toting wingnuts do that “protest” thing. It’s just so gauche. (Well, actually it’s more droite right now…but you get the point.)

11. catnip - 19 August 2009

Ooops. link

My post went all Italian. Oh well!

12. marisacat - 19 August 2009

You have to wonder. Maybe ObRama DOES want to be a one termer. Who knows.

Car dealers continue to whine that the government isn’t getting them money fast enough through the cash for clunkers program.

Now, some of them are pulling out of the program, fearful that the government won’t pay them back.

AP: The Greater New York Automobile Dealers Association, which represents dealerships in the New York metro area, said about half its 425 members have left the program because they cannot afford to offer more rebates. They’re also worried about getting repaid.

“(The government) needs to move the system forward and they need to start paying these dealers,” said Mark Schienberg, the group’s president. “This is a cash-dependent business.” snip

Frm the comments.. hahahahaha:

Yarrow said:
Aug 19, 3:12 PM

Guess Grandma is a clunker.

13. BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

Democratic Party ratings plummet

The percentage of Americans who hold a favorable view of the Democratic Party has slipped below 50 percent for the first time since President Barack Obama took office, according to a new Pew Research Center poll released Wednesday.

Only 49 percent of Americans now hold a favorable view of the Democratic Party, down from 62 percent in the same poll shortly after Obama assumed office. Democratic favorable ratings hovered around 60 percent as recently as April, when 59 percent of those polled held a favorable view.

P.S. Full Panic mode over Corzine setting in…
I see there were two FP Pieces today over at Moulitsas site…

“Chrtistie corruption at DOJ.”. the drumbeat , clammy c among others shilling their asses off.

The irony is rich, after the perpetual Lesser of Two Evils that Dems have pushed on their rank and file for years. But in a state like new Jersey…. Shiyat…..

I bet Christie’s numbers waver a bit in the next polls but short of identifying Christie as the 25th hijacker, this race is over. Other than State Patronagge workers the Dem base is disillusioned having been punk’d, the same cause of National Dem decline in approval ratings noted above…The Dem Bosses here surely know it.

Consequently, I think Obama’s Political Capital or heroic measures to save Corzine are the last things on the minds of the perennial NJ Dem survivors here. Fools like clammy c and Laura Clawson can blog their peon hearts out..The perenial survivors in the NJ DP are focused on their own futures and will suck up to Christie and the GOP to protect their seats to do it.

14. BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

Bottom Line:

“N.J. jobless rate inches up to 9.3 percent

Unemployment in state remains at 32-year high despite 5,900 of jobs being added

32 year high….The Dem echo chamber artists are peeing into the wind…

marisacat - 19 August 2009

HA! Surely there is more to come.

BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

LOL Definitely.

With All those soon-to-be-unemployed Astroturfers thrown in? Shiiiit.

15. marisacat - 19 August 2009

I am just noticing at Politico that Ob is calling people who lie about Health Care to be “bearing false witness”

What utter fucking bullshit. Unless his includes himself and his…

This utter shit of working to be Jesus’ little black brother is old.

Obama has joined the health care call with religious leaders.

“The one thing that you all share is a moral conviction,” Obama said. “This debate over health care goes to the heart of who we are as American people.”

Obama hit the insurance companies, saying that no one in America should be “pushed to the edge of financial ruin” because of they get sick.

And he again brought up the “misinformation” about the plans: “There are some folks out there who are frankly bearing false witness,” he said.

The idea that reform will lead to death panels “is just an extraordinary lie,” he added.

Obama characterized health care as part of “an ethical and moral obligation … that we look out for one another” and said when it comes to health care “in the wealthiest nation on earth we are neglecting to live out that call.”

Debunking “fabrications” about his reform plans, Obama said: “You’ve heard that this is all going to mean government funding of abortion. Not true.”

Obama called on the leaders to help him get health care reform by knocking on doors to “spread the facts” and “speak the truth.”

He thanked them for being on the call then said, “bye-bye” and hung up. — Carol E. Lee (5:35 p.m.)

16. marisacat - 19 August 2009

Hendrik Hertzberg in the New Yorker

[…] it doesn’t help that so many state capitals are experiencing abnormally high levels of clownishness. There is a state (New York, alas) whose notoriously dysfunctional legislature—the “Albany bozos” that Ben McGrath touches on elsewhere in this issue—has lately been the scene of various forms of opéra bouffe. There are states where governors have resigned (New York again) or are being importuned to resign (South Carolina) on account of carnal or romantic embarrassments. There is a state (Alaska) whose governor has resigned because she felt like it, and another (Illinois) whose most recently elected governor, having been frog-marched from office, is exploring opportunities as an Elvis impersonator. And there is a state whose governor is a former Hollywood action star with formerly enormous muscles—but that’s the least of California’s problems, if it’s a problem at all.

California, it turns out, is ungovernable. Its public schools, once the nation’s best, are now among the worst. Its transportation and water systems are deteriorating. Its prisons are so overcrowded that it has to turn tens of thousands of felons loose. And its legislature has spent most of the year in a farcical effort to pass the annual budget, leaving little or no time for other matters, such as—well, schools, transportation, water, and prisons. This is “normal”: the same thing has happened in eighteen of the past twenty-two years. [Actually more than that, about 29 out of 31, but who’s counting! –Mcat] But the addition of economic disaster to legislative paralysis may have brought California to a tipping point. snip

We’re tipsy!!

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 August 2009

Wendell Potter Says ‘The Fat Cats Are Winning,’ This is A ‘Pig of a Bill.’

Not only is Obama clearly ready to throw the public option overboard, he is embracing the requirement that we all be forced to buy insurance from private insurers. That means your tax dollars and mine will be used to pay subsidies to the big insurers to provide coverage to people who can’t afford to buy their policies, because the big insurers charge far more than they should because Wall Street investors demand that they do.

One of the people who undoubtedly talked Obama away from the public option and into supporting this mandate is his new BFF, Aetna CEO Ron Williams. Williams, who made $65 million off of Aetna’s policyholders’ premiums over the past two years and who was the mastermind behind Aetna’s shedding of eight million members a few years ago to meet Wall Street’s demands, is the insurance industry’s leading champion of requiring us all to buy insurance. And, of course, without a public option, we’ll all be forced to buy coverage from Aetna or one of the other private insurers.

According to a recent article in Forbes, Williams has been to the White House a half a dozen times recently to advise the president and his staff on health care reform. That same article quoted a Wall Street analyst as saying that Aetna likely will dump about 600,000 policyholders during the coming months to satisfy its investors’ unrelenting profit demands.

During his speech in Montana, Obama talked a lot of trash about the insurance industry. Don’t be fooled by that tough talk. It’s all part of a strategy to try get us to believe we’ll get the reform he promised during the campaign. Industry leaders are in fact delighted he’s denouncing their behavior, because they believe most of his supporters — who were hopeful the stars might finally have aligned for real reform — will be fooled into thinking the reform bill that reaches his desk will benefit them more than the special interests with their armies of lobbyists. And they know the nonprofit cooperatives Sebelius and Gibbs are now trying to sell us on don’t have a prayer of succeeding. The big for-profits will never let them get off the ground in any meaningful way.

Sadly, I believe the fat cats are winning and that the bill Congress sends the president will be one that gives an industry with an unsustainable business model a new lease on life and a guarantee of unprecedented future profits.

So I hope the president’s aides are buying lots of lipstick. He’ll need all he can get to put on that pig of a bill.

marisacat - 19 August 2009

williams also stood at a televised Tewn Hall, one with Obster a couple of months ago, and asked a question. Moyers had that on… Not sure if it was when Potter was on or when Dr Marcia Angell was on

Willaims was on Lehrer yesterday. Oily as hell.

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 August 2009

Immigrant Advocates, Supremacists Clash

Violence flared in East Haven, as New Haven activists marching to protest alleged police racism tangled with out-of-state “white nationalists.”

The clash happened during an event organized Saturday by New Haven immigrant advocacy organization Unidad Latina En Acción. More than 100 people marched through the streets of East Haven on Saturday, protesting alleged racial profiling on the part of East Haven police. They met groups of counter-protesters along the way, including a visiting band of white supremacists.

The protest was organized in response to allegations of ongoing race-based police harassment directed at Latinos in East Haven. Recent allegations include reports that police in East Haven have begun calling federal immigration enforcement when arresting immigrant motorists.

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 August 2009

We Have the Moral High Ground By Cindy Sheehan

“Hate begets hate; violence begets violence; toughness begets a greater toughness. We must meet the forces of hate with the power of love…” Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 1958

“There comes a time when silence is betrayal…” Dr. King, 1967

I remember back in the good ol’ days of 2005 and 2006 when being against the wars was not only politically correct, but it was very popular. I remember receiving dozens of awards, uncountable accolades and was even nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Those were the halcyon days of the anti-war movement before the Democrats took over the government (off of the backs of the anti-war movement) and it became anathema to be against the wars and I became unpopular on all sides. I guess at that point, I could have gone with the flow and pretended to support the violence so I could remain popular, but I think I have to fiercely hold on to my core values whether I am “liked” or not.

Killing is wrong no matter if it is state-sanctioned murder or otherwise. Period. Not too much more to say on that subject, except what I quote above from Dr. King.

However, while the so-called left is obsessed over supporting a very crappy Democratic health care plan, people in far away countries are being deprived of their health and very lives by the Obama Regime’s continuation of Bush’s ruinous foreign policy.

I was never dismayed when the so-called right attacked me and called me names for protesting Bush. However, something inside me gets a little sick when I hear people who claim to be peace activists supporting the Obama Administration’s foreign policy, a policy that is not like Bush’s in the fact that it’s much worse.

I have been called a “racist” from the so-called left. In these people’s opinion, I was totally justified in protesting Bush, but I am a racist for protesting the same policies under Obama. When I opposed Bush’s policies, I was called traitor, anti-American, anti-Semitic, and other names I cannot print. Name-calling is a great way to shut down critical thinking and discussion. And, not to mention, I think the murder of innocent life in the Iraq-Af-Pak regions is racist and morally corrupt.

There are many people in this country who oppose Obama because they’re racist, but I am not one of them. I oppose Obama’s policies because they are wrong…again, period!

One cannot obfuscate when innocent lives are being destroyed, here and abroad. We cannot allow “political reality” to get in the way of morality. Human sacrifice is not worth the political reality. Violence, killing, war and more war are NEVER the solution to any problem. Period.

BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

Discontent demands Change
Change demands Legitimate Political Paths to Power.
Absent that,
Power Demands Revolution.
And for Revolution to be successful it requires what?

So Where are we on this continuum?
Frankly, stuck, IMO, given a lack of recognition as widely shared by the Centrists as they are on The Left, that legitimate political paths have long since been corrupted, co-opted and washed out.

And acceptance that Revolution requires… at the very least ,the certitude of violence when political means are exhausted.

There has yet to be this recognition.
Understandably so, as she is right that violence begets violence,
but there it is. Stuck.

BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

I’m not even suggesting the political action be abandoned
it is useful for activists to grow in numbers, build intramural consensus,, but the electoral thing other than some minor toeholds is long since unviable.

BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

Another one at Ayn Rand Memorial Gardens.

Rose Friedman, Free-Market Economist, Dies at 98

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 August 2009
BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

Weiner’s another bullshit artist.
A fine performance but entirely full of shit.
He’s a Schumer protege through and through. And he could be in that seat for the next thirty years playing the raging liberal. He wants a redo at Mayor tho..maybe Chucks seat someday..At hwich point in his future he will have “evolved” politically…..

It’s all bullshit. At the end of the interview the con unraveled..Said he was a “something” guy rather than “nothing” guy some slop, And hemmed and hawed instead of a simple YES that abortion should be covered in The New Health HooHoo. He’s just the Mollifyer du Jour. Sitting in a safe seat, talkin shit. Afraid of saying on tape an unequivocal ” Yes ” when asked about the A word lest it damages his ambitions later on..

The Public option was never part of this….And Weiner will be talkin the good fight shit later on when the whatever Fluff is preseted as “Change”.

21. marisacat - 19 August 2009

Does ANYONE in this country have a tie line to reality anymore?

“My expectation is that at some point, something happens,” Elizabeth said when asked if she knew whether there would be a paternity test related to her husband’s former mistress’ Rielle Hunter’s young daughter. “I hope that for the sake of this child, that it happens in a quiet way.”

Too late for “quiet”… by a couple of years.

22. marisacat - 19 August 2009


Listening to Sheile Kuhl on KGO.. when she was in the Assemblby here year after year she introduced a single payer plan. Not that i ever expected it to go anywhere, but I did fall, years ago, for some integrity behind the offering. Over the years I was disabused of that silly notion. Being gay, I gather from Petrelis File here and a few other sites, she sells out the gays as well.

It is all so old.

Going to let my fingers detach and send in the Wendell Potter from Madman, upthread.

I know it is useless, but can’t just lie here, beached like an underweight seal.

marisacat - 19 August 2009

Here is what Christine Craft sent me in return:

well then let’s bar you from the public option..okay??

And she claims to be Decline to State, from earlier issues with the Dems.

I emailed back get off the fence, re register as a Dem.

Payola runs the US elections system.

marisacat - 19 August 2009

Here is what she emailed back:

marisa…my gal hillary.tried to reform healthcare too.you’ll recall..now the prez is asking bill and hillary to go out and pitch hc reform..will you support her efforts..or not..because you don’t want the public option choice?

And I wrote:

I am not a Democrat… and I don’t support lies and hoodwinking. Nor naked corporatism. From anyone.

This was the last damned chance, if there was to be one… take a good look at the money that flows to Obama. Open Secrets is there every day.

I am sorry there is so very much cash related to elections and supporting bad laws around. Simply put.

marisacat - 19 August 2009

Still going on:

I’m a decline to state voter and a california applicant’s attorney who represents injured workers against private health ins. cos….I support a public option..and I’m sorry why don’t you support one public option??

Well she has a sheepskin from a third tier law school. maybe second tier… McGeorge School of Law and think this job is one she took as it was all that was possible, to be frank. Arnold is gutting the Workers’ Health Compensation system in the state. With full collusion from the elected Dems, I might add…. further it is largely kept a secret.. little coverage of it.

I answered:

Christine you center on “Public Option”… I would support anything that delivered coverage AND access to all. W hatever the ptb might call it.

Whether that be single payer, a mixed system or whatever might be devised.

Following the devolution of the last possible effort, I don’t see any of that on the horizon. Perhpas you see a “glide path” to single payer as Eleanor Holmes Norton sold the game, was still selling the game, a couple fo weeks ago.

Not only Wendell Potter but also Dr Marcia Angell (former editor of the NE Journal of Medicine, interview in NYT blog Prescriptions and she was on Moyers third or 4th week of July, all of this is easily found) have had lots to say. They make sense to me. Among others…

The shills and pundits do not..

Not playing Merry Go Round iwth you for the Dem machine games Chtistine.


marisacat - 19 August 2009

Pretty damned funny… her last word:

well if they drop the public option..there will be no reform..I agree on that.

So pathetic.

BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

Great exchange. Your half, that is.
Mcat, Is that on a KGO board out there or something?

marisacat - 19 August 2009

KGO talk radio… they also broadcast on the interet with a link on the FP



23. marisacat - 19 August 2009

I see Politico has yet another weep weep for Teddy… where oh where is our Cathlolic Master when we need him. I so pray to the BVM every night that when he dies something REALLY BIG happens immediately, to shove the coverage off to Boston.

Please Jesus!

24. BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

Remember this?

Such Delicate Flowers the Neutered Poodle Rooters in Pittsburgh


Your POLITICO thread post has been deleted.

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All I said was

Aug. 14, 2009 – 12:18 PM EST

What a tired ole dick.that Liar Clinton.

And the phoney “Left” collection of small potatoes, Party Astroturfers, groupies, and lonely hearts just kissing his triangulating @ss now is really priceless….While their mucking down the perennial Half a Loafism…Gotta love these simps.

Dailykos doofs et al … all 1500 of them at Neutered Poodle Rooter–
well, all I can say is Good luck! Good Luck on that Health Care! Good Luck on “Bringing the Troops Home”.
Good luck growing an Economy after Clinton fulksteak Obama dutifully loaded his Administration with…every OTHER Clinton Fulksteak and summarily handed over the Treasury to the CEO’s…

So Good Luck, Bungholes.

Hmm. It looks like all of Joe Trippi’s sockpuppets stayed home tho.

For those that have the good fortune of having missed the “bleeding edge” of the “Left Wing” blogosphere”…LOL…

Some few years back, Markos Moulitsas partnered up with a stockpump and dump fraudster who was sanctioned by the SEC, one Jerome Armstrong.

They built their websites using the ruse of “sockpuppets”, multiple pseudonyms – deployed on a very large scale to make it look like their sites are heavily trafficked thus justifying own hype and inflated ad rates…

They leveraged that into consulting for the DNC and began “advising” campaigns. They are quite the con….base-mollifying propaganda and money raising mostly……… while being the “left ” wing mooks who take a dive on the “activist” front and serve as D-list spokesmen on talking head shows from time to time..

But Moulitsas scam is obvious. The claim of 200000 “hardcore” Democratic activists on his site alone is laughably inflated.. To wit, 1500 marshmellows show up for their Astroturfers Rock Star convention. Basically this small “convention” (Moose Lodge’s have bigger picnics) … represents an online collection of small time Democratic Astroturf chit chatters ,with a lonely hearts club and assortment of campaign groupies thrown in…

Besides , everybody knows, the genuine Left of the blogosphere reads marisacat instead.

I thought it was rather upbeat, actually.

marisacat - 19 August 2009

wow.. politico allows a lot of tired bullshit. Sometimes ugly bullshit too… It is many months since I bothered iwth their threads, but they are full of idiots and thread fillers and utter nutz, slurs and slams. I don’t think th operatives even bother much, the threads are already so bad…

Do they have a new policy? Lvoe for Kos? Must be luv for Markos the flea… that must be it.

BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

That’s why it should have been a perfect fit for me.

marisacat - 19 August 2009

Must be the call out on astroturf… I think that would freak the Dems out, if it ever caught on. They require exclusivity to use it against the R.

Has to be it. I did two posts on the Dem party Stroturf king behind Roots Camp (which is not NetRootNation, something different)… I cannot believe he and like him are not fully behind much of the Dem lib blahgospsheria…

BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

I dunno , I think the “tired old dick that Liar Clintom” “Fulksteaks” and “Bunghole” might have been okay if I didn’t press it with
“Half-a-Loafism” and “Neutered Poodle Rooters”. LOL.

The entire media is prescribed agit/prop….
but Lordy do heads explode when one veers off the set piece Talking Points…

Politico is heavily dependent on the blogs D and R for traffic. Van de Hei’s play there is press release shit shoveling from the Right and predictable skewered poodle reaction from the Dems…I don’t recall anything of subsance he actually “broke” there via original investigative reporting since its inception…

And as aggregators go, it’s funny given his WaPo refugee status and claims to legit journo staff….I rate it far below HuffPo in their willingness to wander from their own bias….but then again HuffPo never censored similar comments I made so…LOL.

Josh Marshalls site doesn’t even register on my radar anymore…
He’s a tool of course, but that said, as rounders go, Marshall had more access to Hill traffic controllers than Markos ever did …

marisacat - 19 August 2009

Huff Po declined a post, not a comment, from Dennnis Perrin. Too tough on ObRama The Great I think, ihe posted it in full at his site.

Marshall, as well as CC on KGO tonight (she is recommending the lead post on Sullification, calling out that loon at the Barney Frank TH as a Rouchie), are going the la Rouche route. When Palin and Bachman get tired, haul up the La Rouchites…

BooHooHooMan - 19 August 2009

Huff Po declined….. Dennnis Perrin. Too tough on ObRama

Too Articulate Rule, there….

marisacat - 19 August 2009

thank god Perrin is white, other wise that would be ………horrors!… hide the children!……….


25. marisacat - 19 August 2009

Glenn Greenwald:

[O]ver the past decade, the Democratic Party has specialized in offering up one excuse after the next for its collective failures. During the early Bush years, the excuse was that they endorsed Bush policies because his popularity and post-9/11 hysteria made it politically unwise to oppose him. In later Bush years when his popularity plummeted, the excuse was that Democrats were in the minority and could do nothing. After 2006 when they won a Congressional majority, the excuse was that Bush still controlled the White House and had veto power. After 2008 when a Democrat won the White House, the excuse was that Republicans could filibuster.

Now that they have a filibuster-proof majority, a huge margin in the House and the White House, the excuses continue unabated, as Democrats are now on the verge of jettisoning one of the most significant attractions for progressives to the Obama campaign — active government involvement in the health insurance market. The excuses for “compromising” are cascading more rapidly than ever: We need Republican support to ensure it’s bipartisan. The Blue Dogs won’t go along with what we want. Centrist Senators will filibuster. There are similar excuses being made to defend Obama from accusations that he deserves some of the blame for the failure of the “public option.” Matt Yglesias makes the typical case for shielding Obama from any responsibility:

I think there’s something perverse in the very strong desire I see among liberals to make problems in congress be about anything other than congress. It’s just not in the power of Barack Obama to make the senate anything other than what it is.


BooHooHooMan - 20 August 2009

And their idiot fan base…Just get em all those with big, foam, pointy hand things seen at ball games..

Andof course there was this the other say from Congressman Joe Sestak…

Our Senators Must Lead
by Joe Sestak

Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 04:46:16 PM PDT

Them…The guys down the hall….Go see them..
Fuckin Buck Passers. Knowing Damn well that the 6-year-terms-at-a-clip Senate will kill it.

The Last Time the Dems had 60 seats in the Senate?
Right after that other “Historic First” ~ the First
Post Watergate /Post Nixon/Post Viet Nam Presidential Election.
1976. In four years you had Reagan.

How they can possibly keep from being thoroughly discredited at this point I don’t know.
But as the saying goes, “A Sucker is Born Every Minute”…

26. marisacat - 20 August 2009



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