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View from the pool… 4 September 2009

Posted by marisacat in Afghanistan War, California / Pacific Coast, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Democrats, Divertissements, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.

Studio City, 12.30 pm, August 29

I snagged it from a small group sent into Daily Dish


I had planned to use a photo from the frat house bacchanalia in Kabul, but just could not bear to.  But Spiegel has an article on it and about 10 photos. Dear boys have black patches over their eyes and nether regions. I gather tonight 8 have been fired and a couple resigned.

The “deviant hazing” occurred on a near-weekly basis.

Way to go Wackenhut! Lead us to the promised land! I just heard McChrystal say, in the aftermath of the bombing of the stalled tanker, that we are there to “protect the Afghani people”.

He’s kidding of course.  Joking.  Making fun.  Laughing.  He also doesn’t mind standing in pools of blood.


Moving this comment of Madman’s forward, as it fits in here:

Taliban’s Tank-Killing Bombs Came from U.S., Not Iran

But according to the Pentagon agency responsible for combating roadside bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, the increased Taliban threat to U.S. and NATO vehicles comes not from any new technology from Iran but from Italian-made mines left over from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency’s military assistance to the anti-Soviet jihadists in the 1980s.

In response to an inquiry from IPS, the Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organization (JIEDDO) said in an e-mail that Italian-manufactured TC-6 anti-tank mines are “very common” in the Taliban-dominated areas of the country and that they have been modified to increase their lethality in IED attacks.

The JIEDDO response said TC-6 mines are being “arrayed in two or three in tandem to ensure the charge is large enough to inflict damage against Coalition vehicles.” The TC-6 mines “continue to pose a significant threat to Coalition Forces”, JIEDDO said.

The combining of two or three anti-tank mines into a single, more destructive bomb would account for the increased lethality of the anti-tank mines being used by the Taliban.

The claim by the alleged Taliban commander of new, more effective weaponry supplied by Iran appears to have been deliberate misinformation for the Western press.

British writer Jason Elliot, who has traveled extensively in Afghanistan since 1979, reported in a 2001 book “Min(d)ing Afghanistan” that the Italian-made TC-6 was the most commonly used anti-tank mine used in Afghanistan. The 15-pound charge of TNT, wrote Elliot in the TC-6, he wrote, could “flip a tank the way a seagull flips a baby turtle.”

Millions of mines remained buried in the ground from the Soviet occupation period, Elliot observed. However, only some 20,000 anti-tank mines have been destroyed since 1989, according to the United Nations.

Further evidence that the Taliban are relying heavily on the TC-6 to damage NATO tanks is a picture published by al-Jazeera on May 1, 2007 in a Taliban storeroom of explosives in Helmand province. The photograph, taken by a cameraman accompanying correspondent James Bays, showed two insurgent bomb-makers working on what was clearly identifiable as an Italian TC-6 anti-tank mine.

The insurgents told the photographer that the explosives in the room were in the process of being converted into “anti-tank bombs”.

Canadian forces in Kandahar province have encountered some of the heaviest Taliban use of anti-tank mines in Afghanistan. According to casualty data on the website of the Canadian Forces, since the beginning of 2007, 57 of 81 deaths of Canadian troops in Afghanistan have come from roadside bombs and anti-tank mines.

Capt. Dean Menard, a spokesman for Canadian forces in Kandahar, told IPS in a telephone interview that some of the ordnance used by the Taliban against Canadian tanks “are definitely attributable to the Soviet occupation era” – a reference to mines supplied by the United States through Pakistan during the anti-Soviet war.



1. marisacat - 4 September 2009

Moving this forward, from Madman:

Could Texas’ Gingrich-Based High School History Curriculum Go National?

The GOP-controlled State Board of Education is working on a new set of statewide textbook standards for, among other subjects, U.S. History Studies Since Reconstruction. And it turns out what the board decides may end up having implications far beyond the Lone Star State.

The first draft of the standards, released at the end of July, is a doozy. It lays out a kind of Human Events version of U.S. history.

Approved textbooks, the standards say, must teach the Texan student to “identify significant conservative advocacy organizations and individuals, such as Newt Gingrich, Phyllis Schlafly, and the Moral Majority.” No analogous liberal figures or groups are required, prompting protests from some legislators and committee members. (Read an excerpt here.)

The standards on Nixon: “describe Richard M. Nixon’s role in the normalization of relations with China and the policy of detente.”

On Reagan: “describe Ronald Reagan’s role in restoring national confidence, such as Reaganomics and Peace with Strength.” (That’s it.)

The Cold War section is rendered as “U.S. responses to Soviet aggression after World War II … ”

The state board of education, made up of 10 Republicans and five Democrats, has to vote on the standards twice in the coming months before they would go into effect.

Here’s what makes this a national story: what happens in Texas doesn’t stay in Texas, says Diane Ravitch, professor of education at NYU.

That’s because Texas is one of the two states with the largest student enrollments, along with California. “The publishers vie to get their books adopted for them, and the changes that are inserted to please Texas and California are then part of the textbooks made available to every other state,” says Ravitch, who wrote a book about the politics of textbooks.

Rick Hess of the American Enterprise Institute explains it as a simple economic calculation by the big textbook publishers. “Publishers are generally reticent to run two different versions of a textbook,” he says. “You can imagine the headache the expense the logistics, the storage, all of it.”

But don’t start saving for private school tuition just yet. A spokeswoman for the Texas State Board of Education tells TPMmuckraker the board will have to pass the standards first in January, in a “first reading and filing authorization vote,” and then in March in a final vote, before they would go into effect. In an article on the controversy in the Houston Chronicle, one of the conservative leaders on the board actually predicted the standards will pass at least the first vote.

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2009

thanks for moving these up.

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2009

Of course, Jerry is just doing it to run for gov, but the numbers are staggering:

California AG: PacifiCare denied 39.6% of claims this year, Cigna 32.7%, Kaiser 28.3%, and on and on…

The California attorney general’s office opened an investigation Thursday into allegations that the state’s largest health insurers were rejecting medical claims at alarming rates. …

… The nurses union said some of the companies had denial rates between 27 percent and 40 percent during the first six months of this year, with PacifiCare rejecting 39.6 ercent of claims it received.

marisacat - 4 September 2009

be nice if ob had a hard rule of NO FUCKING DENIALS

marisacat - 4 September 2009

I think when the damned mess shakes out, more cities and states that can get something going, will. Alameda Co, over in the East Bay just instituted a free pharmacy card, accepted at a wide number or outlets and pharmacies of discounts on scripts, aroun 40%… and I htink I heard that it includes veterinary prescirptions as well. You DO have to live in the co… but it is a beginning. SOMETHING.

Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2009

at this point I’m fine w/ the fights going back to the states. I’m sick of everything being held hostage to the Confederacy and the nuts in the west.

marisacat - 4 September 2009

but its bigger than the Confederacy – or the West… I assume you mean some nebulous inland mountain west. Or Tejas and Arizona. (Thought Cali is nuttier than a fruitcake! and Oregon gets quite white, if you know what I mean!).

I look at some of the hard core messes in the congress… and to me they come from all over. Some districts, some cities, do a little better (You want Nancy? I can gift wrap and ship over night!! — 😆 —)

Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2009

yup, them.

Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2009

oh, and no thanks on La Nan.

Everytime I look at her I think of the mother in Brazil at the plastic surgeon.

marisacat - 4 September 2009

yeah I do wonder who does Nan’s face. And I think Dianne had a nip and tuck or two or five recently.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2009

Roosevelt: The Great Divider

PRESIDENT OBAMA’S apparent readiness to backtrack on the public insurance option in his health care package is not just a concession to his political opponents — this fixation on securing bipartisan support for health care reform suggests that the Democratic Party has forgotten how to govern and the White House has forgotten how to lead.

Roosevelt relished the opposition of vested interests. He fashioned his governing majority by deliberately attacking those who favored the status quo. His opponents hated him — and he profited from their hatred. “Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today,” he told a national radio audience on the eve of the 1936 election. “They are unanimous in their hatred for me — and I welcome their hatred.”

Roosevelt sought consensus among his fellow Democrats, which is why he sometimes kowtowed to the Southern oligarchs who were the chairmen of Congressional committees. But his Republican opponents were relegated to the political equivalent of Siberia. Roosevelt rode up Pennsylvania Avenue with President Herbert Hoover to the inauguration in March 1933, but he never saw or spoke to him again — not even in World War II.

For Roosevelt was a divider, not a uniter, and he unabashedly waged class war. At the Democratic Convention in 1936, again speaking to a national radio audience, Roosevelt lambasted the “economic royalists” who had gained control of the nation’s wealth. To Congress he boasted of having “earned the hatred of entrenched greed.” In another speech he mocked “the gentlemen in well-warmed and well-stocked clubs” who criticized the government’s relief efforts.

Roosevelt hived off the nation’s economic elite to win the support of the rest of the country. The vast majority of voters rallied to the president, but for a small minority he was the Devil incarnate. Few today remember the extent to which Roosevelt divided the nation. The sense of unity wrought by World War II blurred the divisiveness of the 1930s. Also, Roosevelt endeavored to ensure that more than half of the country was always on his side. Finally, and most important perhaps, the measures he championed have stood the test of time. It is difficult for Americans today to comprehend how anyone could have opposed Social Security, rural electrification, the regulation of Wall Street or the federal government’s guarantee of individual bank deposits.

5. BooHooHooMan - 4 September 2009

LOL. Breaking!
My Left WhipYeeHaw is now on
kos random. daily. need all the help we can get. blogroll.
Kiss Kiss Smooch. Could it Be? After Long Last?

Perhaps Markos will allow MSOC to send a delegation in search of remains. John McCain IS on the list too.
(NOT kidding either, quite the hoot. LOL.)

Way way down in the lower right corner of the FP now on the …

“10 Random User Blogroll Links (changed daily)”

what a haughty little bitch that Markos.
Like he’s afraid he’s going to catch Blog Cooties or something.

6. BooHooHooMan - 4 September 2009

Meanwhile Blue Jersey is averaging under 10 comments
on Front Page after Froont Page post..
Welp – Corzine has 10 votes then. Good for Jon I say! LOL.

Now the other day Mcat noted the last NJ Gov polls …
Quinnipiac with a 1612 Likely Voter sample
Cristie 47 Corzine 37 Advantage Christie +10

I was going to post what I found poking around, but I was so fucking crumb bum plain ole Sheisse slinging burnt out at the time on it.

From Dailykos’ clammyc “…

AKA Adam “Blogging for His FUCKIN LIFE” Lambert???


New polls show that polls are all over the place

by: clammyc
Tue Sep 01, 2009 at 10:45:00 AM EDT

Over the past few weeks, there have been a number of partisan polls that showed a substantial narrowing of the gap in the Governor’s race. We saw polls by Rick Shaftan and Democracy Corps (twice) showing a 2 point Corzine lead, a 2 point Christie lead and a 5 point Christie lead. We saw a Rasmussen poll showing an 8 point Christie lead but didn’t include Independent Chris Daggett – someone who has been polling between 7 and 10% in other polls.

So I was hoping that we would get some clarity when the less partisan polls were released – maybe, just maybe to get a handle on where the race really is headed.


Two new polls out today show that the polls are all over the road (just like Christie when he takes his girlfriend, I mean, “close friend and coworker/subordinate” (and wife and kids of course) out for a drive….) First, there is a FDU poll with a 5 point Christie lead – however, this doesn’t include any polling for Daggett as a choice. This is down from a 6 point deficit in the last poll back in June.

And then there is a Quinnipiac poll showing a 10 point Christie lead, up from 9 in early August.

I’m not even going to bother analyzing the underlying metrics in terms of the other questions, because at this point, I think it is pretty safe to say that nobody knows what the hell is going on with the polls other than Christie still leads but by less than a few months ago.

Or not, depending on what poll you look at.

Clammyc : I GIVE UP! Who knows what the polls mean?!?

Please don’t hurt me, Mr Republican!

That From Jersey’s Leading Liberal /
“Gee We Have Three of US Online/
Who Has Ten Bucks To Renew Our Website Registration ?? /
Look ! One of our Posts has a Comment! !!///
That Best Kept blog secret, “Blue Jersey” {Quelle ironie! }

marisacat - 4 September 2009

They should feel good.. Gallup gave Ob a headline… approval at 55% (I m calling it! Dow 10,000 by October 1 – no guarantees where it is by Nov 1 tho!)

He can thank yahweh tonight.

BooHooHooMan - 4 September 2009

LOL. Crickets on NJ Gov from that shill
Steve Singiser, Front Paging tonight atop dailyfluff.

Every State Poll BUT NJ mentioned. LOL.

Cue the retreat clothed in dignity , if remnant dignity is a scorched and tattered old jockstrap, I suppose.
Good to know the Blue Bongo Boys are holding up well, tho

7. marisacat - 4 September 2009

Mamma mia. Gonna be a long 4 years.

Conservative pundits are on a czar hunt, combing records for politically dangerous statements made by the policy advisers.

Well they already have Jarrett on film billing and cooing over him…

Link to Politico, the long slobber on Pence going after Van Jones.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 September 2009
9. BooHooHooMan - 4 September 2009

Hmm. An essay in the Financial Times
entitled A Manager’s Guide to the Killer Heroin Habit
Stability Depends on More Capital by Timothy Geithner.

10. BooHooHooMan - 4 September 2009
marisacat - 4 September 2009

oh thanks I went to RCP to find it but did not… 🙄 😆

11. marisacat - 4 September 2009

Both Kausfiles and Ambinder hear the same rumors. VJ will be gone or as Kaus puts it (with embedded links)

[‘G]one by midnight’ is the prediction. He’s on the Liverpool Care Pathway! Soon he’ll meet with his death panel and be under the bus! … Obama presumably doesn’t want the controversy to bleed into post-Labor Day Speech Week. . . . .

BooHooHooMan - 4 September 2009

While Potty Mouth Rahm survives. And Cheney.
As they should and will, frankly,
given the way the world works.
Because its about power, really… Great commentary BTW.

People can say what they will about our various ramrods in DC, but When criticized for impolitic speech, Emanual or Cheney have little difficulty in offering a straight up
“Well Fuck It ,you know” …AS THEIR APOLOGY. LOL. And the crowds part, and the Earth and Everything that’s in it is theirs as a result… Christ, that frou frou blog of Markos, such tender little vittles. Such Passivity, such Lethargy. Worse than than RW Virgin Ears (an opportunistic myth) as the RW are off their asses at least.

No, the chickenshit Bloginis will yelp as this chickenshit staffer Jones.. gets fired by his chickenshit Boss ,Ob..
for chickenshit stuff .A certain symmetry to it all, no?
While the Emanuel’s and Cheney’s of the World have at.

12. BooHooHooMan - 4 September 2009

On Cue.

Just call him a N!&&ER and get it over with, Republicans.
We ALL KNOW that’s what you mean

by MinistryOfTruth

Dear Diarist,
The correct naughty naughty is “Uncle Tom”.
Or if you must use the N Word,
That is House Nigger to you.
Carry On. Field Hands.

BooHooHooMan - 4 September 2009

Yep , that’s it,
the country is pissed off because he’s a darkey.
The 20% drop in his approval is because of race. Sure.

BooHooHooMan - 4 September 2009

Maybe half of that, the 10 percent who
DID vote for him and have now rolled were actually hoping for some hot Kanso Hawaiiii Asian action. Who knows?
It’s just so hard to figure out™ what went wrong….
I mean …other than, ya know,
the professional pandering & lying.

BooHooHooMan - 4 September 2009

One quick note before I go.
The race card diary was promoted to their Recommended List immediately. At under 50 comments. Oh sure bottoms up, majority rules…LOL. If this is what they got it’s going to be a very long 4 years, indeed. Motherfucker has been Marion Berrified terrified in 9 months time. A Baby BOY! Cigars all around and a call to the NAACP and Sharpton. Or Reverend Wright! Ooops – that’s right, they ALREADY through the brothers under the bus with the finger wag lecture. Maybe Chairman Steele will give them cover.
Ya know, A Real House Nigger’s House Nigger.

BooHooHooMan - 4 September 2009

One quick note’s ADDENDUM before I Go. LOL

I bet we are going to see this Person of Color m.o. more and more as it ties in nicely with the heat being turned up on Charlie Rangel, Hassan Nemazzee, Hank Morris, in Schumer and Hillary’s loop in NY.

Jews and White Girls to the BACK of the bus! Pronto!
Brothers and Iranian DemPAC members to the Front!

Okay I’m done DONE.

13. marisacat - 4 September 2009

ugh.. got into Moyers a few mins in. So lovely to hear Floyd Abrams.. the supposed great atty for the supposed 1st Amendment argue for unlimited corporate monies in all levels of electoral politics.

14. marisacat - 4 September 2009

BTW, this is the photo at such issue that AP released from the battlefield. St Petersburg Times went with it.

15. marisacat - 5 September 2009

KGO overnight with a supposed Dem who is pro war pro Israel and, imo, a racist.. and originally worked for Nixon at the WH (left him in ’70 iirc, a story told with great drahma as well) and in fact himself went to Whittier College

But, you know, he voted for Ob. LOL somehow both Nixon and Ob… and a whole bevy of other R he likes and worked for in cali… — anyway he is in high Drahma.

It is about [sotto voce, cue the dirge music] the all too likely coming assassination.

The ”atmosphere is like Dallas in the early 60s” he talks of Gen Edwin Walker and Dallas (adding that, my goodness, Stevenson had been spat on in Dallas!) …

(he says) people who are opposed to their children hearing the Ob Speech ”are UNPATRIOTC AND UNAMERICAN”.

And projecting that if Obam were killed, [get this!] “how many school children would rise from their seats and cheer”. His voice drops to a highly dramatic delivery.

My own opinion, the Dems, at least some of them, want it. Big time. Because KGO is just a mouthpiece organisation.

Last night a former big L Libertarian now Dem host (voted for Obama!) intoned that in 40 years in radio he had never seen polarisation “as bad as now” Not in Vietnam not in Civil Rights.

Oh please! They are practically putting in an order.

marisacat - 5 September 2009

let’s see… on one side we have the Birthers… and on the other side we have the Assassination Thumpers.

The country is moving right along.

catnip - 5 September 2009

in 40 years in radio he had never seen polarisation “as bad as now”

Short memory. Iraq war, anyone?

As for the hyperbolic wingnuttery, no doubt some of those people are racist but the overwhelming sentiment is anger and fear over their loss of power to the “left”. That’s what drives them. It’s been that way in the US for decades. The craziness over ‘the reds are coming’. This is just the latest version.

marisacat - 5 September 2009

it was an hilarious line… pure propaganda.

We are in same old same old… and the WH is an ignorant player in all of this. Stupid and dangerous. IMO.

Madman in the Marketplace - 5 September 2009

I’m reading “The Family” now, and though I thought I knew a lot of American history … HOLY CRAP. They started on the West Coast (pretty much) and grew up in opposition at least partly to the labor unrest in the ’30s.

Where we are now sounds NOTHING like the actual street battles then.

16. marisacat - 5 September 2009

Lenin points to an interesting resignation in the UK from what seems to b an undersecretary to the Def Minister. (an MP who is the ”PPS” to the Def Min)

After direct quotes he sums it up:

[T]his is a serious strategic objection. Joyce is frightened that the war may be lost, and points toward ongoing divisions that – as he says – endanger NATO “as a meaningful proposition”.

That the stakes are this high, that a schism among the occupying powers can bring down the organisational basis of the Euro-American alliance and eventually result in America’s defeat, is something that ought to give antiwar campaigners a bit of spirit and urgency. There is not a moment to lose. . . . . .

catnip - 5 September 2009

I read about that in The Independent the other nite – just before Brown (the new Heckuva Job Brownie) was set to give a hooah speech. I don’t know that the fallout will be all that earth-shattering for him.

marisacat - 5 September 2009

oh I did nto think it would affect Brown especially… he is so in the national dog house already… more of interest at the juncture Afghanistan is at. And US players (Obama WH, LOL) vs NATO.

Good Luck…

17. catnip - 5 September 2009

They’re standing with Van over at the Big Orange Heehaw. Have fun laying down with him under the bus next week.

catnip - 5 September 2009

Sometimes sig lines are so apropos…

Van Jones is a great man (5+ / 0-)

I’m only half stupid

by missliberties on Sat Sep 05, 2009 at 07:48:09 AM MDT

catnip - 5 September 2009

But wait, there’s more!

Still waiting for him to say anything (0+ / 0-)

to the repugs. Again, he is still at the watercooler asking about there kids and the motherin-law new hair do during recess break. He needs to grow a pair just like Harry Reid. And why are going after Snowe and Collins for votes Do something about Joe the Lair Lebermann

by mrs folksinger on Sat Sep 05, 2009 at 08:11:54 AM MDT


BooHooHooMan - 5 September 2009


18. catnip - 5 September 2009

Powerful movie: Hunger

marisacat - 5 September 2009

thanks for that I had not heard of the movie… I remember the weekend that Bobby Sands died.

19. catnip - 5 September 2009


I scored the mother of all garage sale deals today (an early bday present for myself too) – a Kodak digital camera (my first digital one) and printer dock for $40.

Life is good.

marisacat - 5 September 2009

what a deal!

20. marisacat - 5 September 2009

SF Gate.. you have to love how incestuous it all is:

[N]ewsom described Jones as “a superstar” before the environmentalist’s address at last year’s Netroots Nation convention of liberal online activists.

“Van Jones and Mayor Newsom are good friends and the mayor stands by him,” Newsom spokesman Nathan Ballard said Friday, adding that the sentiments in the 9/11 petition Jones signed “does not reflect (Newsom’s) point of view.”

But critics, including Newsom’s ex-wife Fox News commentator Kimberly Guilfoyle, told the network’s Sean Hannity this week that “clearly (Jones) wasn’t vetted. All (the White House) had to do was go and ask a couple of questions in San Francisco about this individual.” . . . . . .

SF Gate link

21. BooHooHooMan - 5 September 2009

Bill Moyers.

Aw Shucks, Mr President, C’mon,
I’m dismayed, but not really about the RW reaction, but
Hey, we can do this, I like cotton candy do you? Mmm.

But c’mon now, No more Mr. Nice Guy Mr President. Mr. President – Why not have Josh Marshall write the Healthcare speech? Josh Marshall is – Ooo-. Canied Apples. I love candied apples.. Mmmmm. Ooops now where are the napkins?
Napkin, Mr. President?

His commentary was 50% “Mr. President”, 30% historical anecdote,
10 % Josh Marshall, the rest a decimated share of insight
for plausibility.

Sad to report, the “Revolution”..
(yeh Geo Washington and Crossing the Delaware was ref’d too as was the Assassino reminders in the Civics lecture…..)

All that said… the Revolution will not be Televised, and
Certainly Not by Bill Moyers. Not if he lived a Thousand fuckin Years.
Moyers and His conscience are left to wander a landscape now defoliated of all conscience, practically speaking.. a onetime press handlers Dream come True. Who knew?

Jeezis. Verbal and Visual Demerol. Moyers has done a lot of good work over the years since his press op and handler days. But he most definitely is in the Box, how could he NOT be?

The Josh Marshall comment was a doozy tho. I mean, really. How would PBS package it if Marshall ever got elevated to a gig at NPR?
A Passing of the distinguished, -extinguished – Torch?

There is no such thing as Revolution that is strictly cerebral, strictly intellectual, where oarochial civility remains intact. Quite astounding, the irony of Moyer’s decorum lost on him…
in his No More Mr Nice Guy admonitions transmitted via airwaves meant for Obama’s holographic ears..

God forbid (not)- for the media’s sake –
if Revolution ever did come …What if archived records survived the burn bags? If critical data facilities were overrun before they could be destroyed? Who knows what moles in the Press have been jockeyed by hidden hands if not received lifetime assistance for a bargain?

BooHooHooMan - 5 September 2009

Whoops. Sorry Mcat, missed a close quote after Moyers in the first line and mispelled candied apples. May I have an HTML napkin?
Please? Please I can has Change? I TRIED™. LOL.

catnip - 5 September 2009

I’m sorry but Barack Obama now owns the copyright to the word “Change”. That’ll cost you $100. (Which you can forward to my account. No really. I’ll pass it on to him.)

22. marisacat - 5 September 2009

She left a few things out actually, but this post at Cpunch takes an angry walk thru Teddy’s Great Devotion to obtaining universal Health Care for the serfs.

Prolly a good read for those who think things went wrong at about the point of Reagan and Jarvis (CA Low Tax No Tax guy behind Prop 13 in ’78).

[T]hen between 1971 and 1974, Kennedy gave up, he completely abandoned single-payer, national health care and became the great compromiser. His next piece of health care legislation was the Mills-Kennedy Bill. It was the opposite of Kennedy-Griffiths. It maintained the link between employment and insurance, didn’t include the entire population and required those with coverage to shoulder much of the expense of basic medical care through high deductibles and co-pays. Labor refused to endorse the Mills-Kennedy bill and in a meeting with members of the Committee for National Health Insurance, Kennedy reportedly was furious and belligerent and said he resented the charge made against him that he was “selling out on the health issue.” Consumer advocate Ralph Nader and his organization Public Citizen Research Group also criticized Kennedy for selling out and caving to the insurance industry. But that’s exactly what Kennedy did and he never fought for single-payer health care again. . . . . .

The host last night on KGO had in hand (callers) who I think of as the “pro Kennedys”, dedicated Dems in their 60s who are very happy to slop about in and wring their hands over assassination AND McCarthyism. They were all having usch a good time it went on all night…from 1 am to 5 am. Even I could nto believe it.

23. marisacat - 5 September 2009

From Mike Allen and some side kick at Politico… (NTIM)

President Barack Obama plans to reach out to Republicans and reassure — rather than confront — his liberal supporters when he addresses an extraordinary joint session of Congress at 8 p.m. ET Wednesday.

But he will warn lawmakers against seeking a perfect plan and then winding up doing nothing, as happened to the last Democratic president back in 1994.

The high-stake speech makes sense because Obama is such a gifted orator. But it is also risky because if poll numbers on health-care reform don’t improve after he speaks, it will be clear that the problem isn’t in the packaging, but in the proposal itself. . . . .

shorter version, he’s taking an enormous risk for love of the serfs and he can do this, really he can! because of who he is.

hmm well it flew on Nov 5 – with a lot of help.

marisacat - 5 September 2009


So reassuring:

The speech was very much in flux over the weekend, because key decisions are being hashed out. Even the length is not yet set.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26794.html#ixzz0QHLUoOQ1

24. marisacat - 5 September 2009


Dragged myself to page 2.

hmm I’m thinking space shuttle event. Another missed launch out on the Cape.

[“H]e has not made any final decisions about the ultimate form of his package,” said a top official guiding speech preparation. “Anyone that tells you that he has is misinformed or extrapolating from conversations. He’s going to talk to a lot of people between now and next Wednesday. The president is in the process of deciding what his ultimate proposal will look like.”

Also undecided: whether to follow up with nitty-gritty legislative language. “He has not made decisions about how he’s going to move this thing forward,” said a top West Wing aide.

Obama’s speechwriters were on the West Coast over the weekend for the wedding of Ben Rhodes, the deputy director of speechwriting. So the West Wing is coordinating the speech over a three-hour time difference. . . . .

What? we aren’t global afterall? It’s too tough? The serfs will swallow anything? (and they do — and keep voting)

25. catnip - 5 September 2009

This means war!

U. S. ban on flights hits NHL in Canada

Canada’s six NHL teams are scrambling to find alternative travel arrangements south of the border after the U. S. Department of Transportation banned Air Canada’s charter fleet from flying between U. S. cities.

In a furious exchange with the Obama administration over the mid-August ruling, Canada has launched its own investigation and will soon close its skies to U. S. sports team charters in retaliation, warns Transport Minister John Baird.

The sticking point is an eight-year-old exemption that had allowed sports and celebrity charters to make several pit stops in American cities. Under existing open skies agreements, regular Canadian airline flights can only visit one U. S. city before returning.



marisacat - 5 September 2009

Under existing open skies agreements, regular Canadian airline flights can only visit one U. S. city before returning.

that’s ridiculous!

BooHooHooMan - 5 September 2009

HaHa! Canada. { ducks}
We don’t bullshit around down here.

I mean FFS , Lucid flew to Italy to consult with the Holy Father prior to Notre Dame’s opener against Nevada. Understandable really, I mean, they need the prayers, they’re not Penn State afterall. Just my opinion. LOL.

Well, whatever happened, it was
ND 35, The Nevada Man Titters 0

marisacat - 5 September 2009

gee I thought he went for the Negronis and Limoncellos. I am so easily taken in!

BooHooHooMan - 5 September 2009

Part of his cover, no doubt…LOL.
And when clearing customs they never check for Papal Mojo..
Those ND fans are ruthless. 😀

BooHooHooMan - 5 September 2009

That whole bidet thing too? Very Suspect.
Who doesn’t have a seat on a commode?


marisacat - 5 September 2009
26. marisacat - 5 September 2009

gnu thred………………


……………. 😯 ……………….

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