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Our Leader 7 September 2009

Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, 2012 Re Election, California / Pacific Coast, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

I can’t help myself: Arnold Schwarzenegger is strangely compelled to do bicep curls after finding a dumbbell in the debris of a fire-ravaged home in Big Tujunga Canyon, Calif. The same thing happened while he was touring the devastation of the 2007 Lake Tahoe wildfire. [LM Otero / AP via SF Gate]

I’d like to think when this homeowner, who is burned out to the ground, rebuilds, there won’t be a framed version of this photo in the new house. Why do I think there will be.

Pumping Iron [banging head against brick wall]


Speculation around as to who is on the hit list among the so-called czars… Holdren is one name that appears, tho his appointment, as director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, DID go thru senate confirmation.

Some tidbits of his history.. Reason (yes Harsanyi is a hard core conservative)… and some snips that ABC online (Tapper) published.

Go for it, I say!

Holdren’s opponents seized upon the following paragraph from the book:

“To date, there has been no serious attempt in Western countries to use laws to control excessive population growth, although there exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated. For example, under the United States Constitution, effective population-control programs could be enacted under the clauses that empower Congress to appropriate funds to provide for the general welfare and to regulate commerce, or under the equal-protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Such laws constitutionally could be very broad. Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society. Few today consider the situation in the United States serious enough to justify compulsion, however.”

A little too detailed for my taste… and why do I get an image of his lips smacking at the prospect of that much control.

Imagine the screams if Bush had that schmuck in HIS office of Science and Tech Policy.


1. John Q - 7 September 2009

Holdren’s analysis is probably right — and it doesn’t mean he supports the idea. Further, the Constitution clearly supports the right of incredible nutjobs to own guns. Which has proven more dangerous?

marisacat - 8 September 2009

and it doesn’t mean he supports the idea

yes that has been trotted out as an apologist’s view in this case and in others — Chas Freeman a few months ago, as example, w/r/t to his commentary about mil response to Tiananmen Sq, further reading turned up long quotes that were very clear, he supported a violent response by authorities.

You can google around for wider discussions of Holdren’s writings.

I am nto esp interested in a protracted discussion of the 2nd Amendment..

Your last line does nto make sense. There is no possible comparison between enforced abortion / sterilisation and protection of the 2nd Amendment.

Maybe you could be clearer.

For myself, I’d point to a standing military with a proven policy of unnecessary war, invasion and long term occupation as the great killers.


2. marisacat - 8 September 2009

Related/unrelated.. while I was at Reason, I saw this … along the lines of enforced penetration.. (catheterisation)

A local magistrate signed off.. so, Good To Go!!

Madman in the Marketplace - 8 September 2009

wow …

completely fucking out of control. I hope the county appreciates the civil lawsuit coming their way, and the large payout that is going to come out of their taxes.

marisacat - 8 September 2009

Plus! He was not drunk.. by either measure. And did fine on the field test at the site.

Absolutely appalling.

3. marisacat - 8 September 2009

HA! From Harper’s Index:

The U.S. unemployment rate rose to 9.7 percent,
and David Wahl, a 52-year-old employee at the New Flyer
bus factory in St. Cloud, Minneapolis, who sat behind Vice
President Joe Biden when Biden insisted during a town-hall
meeting that the company would benefit from the stimulus
plan, was let go

4. marisacat - 8 September 2009


[I] undertook a study of the models used by those who did see it coming.* They include Kurt Richebächer, an investment newsletter writer, who wrote in 2001 that “the new housing bubble – together with the bond and stock bubbles – will [inevitably] implode in the foreseeable future, plunging the US economy into a protracted, deep recession”; and in 2006, when the housing market turned, that “all remaining questions pertain solely to [the] speed, depth and duration of the economy’s downturn”. Wynne Godley of the Levy Economics Institute wrote in 2006 that “the small slowdown in the rate at which US household debt levels are rising resulting from the house price decline, will immediately lead to a sustained growth recession before 2010”. Michael Hudson of the University of Missouri wrote in 2006 that “debt deflation will shrink the ‘real’ economy, drive down real wages, and push our debt-ridden economy into Japan-style stagnation or worse”. Importantly, these and other analysts not only foresaw and timed the end of the credit boom, but also perceived this would inevitably produce recession in the US. How did they do it? . . . . .

5. NYCO - 8 September 2009

Not that this is anything new, but… it appears that political campaigns are now doubling as Welfare for Wall Street (in a whole new way!)



marisacat - 8 September 2009

gah.. I think he will be getting tired of canvassing…

[C]harles Costanzo used to be a commercial litigator in Manhattan. But after his firm merged with another one late last year, he found himself out of a job — with a newborn daughter.

He was intrigued by Brad Lander, a community organizer in Brooklyn who is running for City Council. So he volunteered. He has offered legal advice, called supporters, canvassed neighborhoods, trained volunteers. He now hopes to work in the nonprofit field.

“There was a time of being kind of ashamed and humiliated,” he said. “There was a time of, ‘I’m never getting a job, what next?’ And I would look at the crib, and saying, ‘Oh my God,’ and going through our savings as opposed to putting money away for college.

“But it’s an odd blessing. I love the campaign. My wife says that when I come home from canvassing, from volunteering, I’m always in a good mood.” . . . . .

BooHooHooMan - 8 September 2009

But it’s an odd blessing. I love the campaign. My wife says that when I come home from canvassing, from volunteering, I’m always in a good mood.” . . .

Oh don’t worry pal. Wait tiil she notices you’re still BROKE.
Ya know, mix up a nice bowl a’ Hope Porridge for the wee one.
That should go over well with Mamma Bear…

Talk about motivation, tho…This is the thing I was talking about wrt competition among the lower rung operative class….

This lawyer with a wife and newborn…..
Houle with a Hair Clinic monkey on his back…

It’s hard out there for a Simp.

marisacat - 8 September 2009

I htink he is hoping to be hired as s ome form of legal advisor. Ha!

BooHooHooMan - 8 September 2009

This pic is hillarious..
The Times article referenced the woman on the left.
“Where is the Money?” on her markered sign…
I don’t know honey, you tell me. You’re the one working for FREE.
LOL. And it’s all sotto sharpé on the Scrap ass Back of her astroturf pitchfork….

These people are in for a rude awakening.
Wait till one of the “dissapointed office seekers”
picks up a gun and goes all Charles Guiteau on some organizer’s ass…

NYCO - 8 September 2009

I’m wondering if they feed the campaign volunteers back at the office. I’m betting there’s snacks in a bowl or something. Hey, it’s a living.

BooHooHooMan - 8 September 2009

I see this BS piece on Steve Hildebrand
The Same rounder’s game…looking to protect the hyped value of his Rolodex in a BlackBerry Pod Widgi world.
A commoditized world at that…..
One that marketed the leisure of Sport as War,
News as Entertainment,
and Politics as Religion trying to congeal ALLl as the
Sporty New Info-Wartainment….
And they wonder why they have a clusterfuck on their hands…
People wanted Peace, Jobs, Healthcare and Justice.
They can get porn and a real ballgame anywhere.

Adviser losing patience with Obama

One of President Barack Obama’s former top campaign advisers is “losing patience” with the White House, he told POLITICO Tuesday morning, as frustrations among the president’s liberal allies crest over issues from health care legislation to gay rights.

“I am one of the millions of frustrated Americans who want to see Washington do more than it’s doing right now,” said Steve Hildebrand, the deputy campaign manager who oversaw the Obama campaign’s field organization and was an architect of his early, crucial victories over Sen. Hillary Clinton in Iowa and South Carolina.

Tend those sheeple.
What a fuckin Joke: “One of the Millions of Americans..”
..Yeh sure, Steve..There are millions of suck-dick Political Consultants who bill a Mil a year. All over the place…”No Worries” on the economy.

marisacat - 8 September 2009

he’ll find public reconciliation with his old boss, soon enough.

6. marisacat - 8 September 2009

have a laugh… None other than Big Tentola is calling Ezra Klein the “accommodationist wing of the ‘progressive blogosphere'”


7. marisacat - 8 September 2009

Neatly summed up…

What leads America to spend nearly twice as much as any other developed country is overcompensation of doctors, the doubled and tripled layers of public-private bureaucracy partnership, other insurance-industry overhead, and profit taking.

from IOZ

8. catnip - 8 September 2009

There are dictators and then there are ducktaters

CSTAR - 8 September 2009

And there are French-Fried ducktaters.

catnip - 8 September 2009

mmmm…freedom duck…

9. catnip - 8 September 2009
marisacat - 8 September 2009


I ordered Italian fireworks but they are held up in customs!

marisacat - 8 September 2009

I should add:

The Chinese turned me down. My money was not good they said.

catnip - 8 September 2009


And here I was, hanging on to these 2 US quarters thinking they were like gold!

marisacat - 8 September 2009

rub goerge’s nose enough and you’ll see the brass.

It happened in the wake of …. wait for it………………………. VIET NAM!

Madman in the Marketplace - 8 September 2009

happy birthday!!!

catnip - 8 September 2009

Merci. 🙂

BooHooHooMan - 8 September 2009


Jeezis! – Well Happy Birthday!

marisacat - 8 September 2009

oh the pic is hilarious…


10. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 September 2009
wu ming - 9 September 2009

jesus, whadda bunch of brownshirts. the immigration reform shoutfest over the winter break should certainly be interesting.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 September 2009

Spanish judge resumes torture case against six senior Bush lawyers

The Spanish newspaper Público reported exclusively on Saturday that Judge Baltasar Garzón is pressing ahead with a case against six senior Bush administration lawyers for implementing torture at Guantánamo.

Back in March, Judge Garzón announced that he was planning to investigate the six prime architects of the Bush administration’s torture policies — former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales; John Yoo, a former lawyer in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, who played a major role in the preparation of the OLC’s notorious “torture memos”; Douglas Feith, the former undersecretary of defense for policy; William J. Haynes II, the Defense Department’s former general counsel; Jay S. Bybee, Yoo’s superior in the OLC, who signed off on the August 2002 “torture memos”; and David Addington, former Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff.

In April, on the advice of the Spanish Attorney General Cándido Conde-Pumpido, who believes that an American tribunal should judge the case (or dismiss it) before a Spanish court even thinks about becoming involved, prosecutors recommended that Judge Garzón should drop his investigation. As CNN reported, Mr. Conde-Pumpido told reporters that Judge Garzón’s plans threatened to turn the court “into a toy in the hands of people who are trying to do a political action.”

On Saturday, however, Público reported that Judge Garzón had accepted a lawsuit presented by a number of Spanish organizations — the Asociación Pro Dignidad de los Presos y Presas de España (Organization for the Dignity of Spanish Prisoners), Asociación Libre de Abogados (Free Lawyers Association), the Asociación Pro Derechos Humanos de España (Association for Human Rights in Spain) and Izquierda Unida (a left-wing political party) — and three former Guantánamo prisoners (the British residents Jamil El-Banna and Omar Deghayes, and Sami El-Laithi, an Egyptian freed in 2005, who was paralyzed during an incident involving guards at Guantánamo). The newspaper reported that all these groups and individuals would take part in any trial.

It is, at present, uncertain whether another attempt to stifle Judge Garzón will derail him, as he is not known for letting adversaries stand in his way. At the end of June, the Spanish Parliament pointedly passed legislation aimed at “ending the practice of letting its magistrates seek war-crime indictments against officials from any foreign country, including the United States,” on the basis that no Spanish Court should be able to judge officials of foreign countries except when the victims are Spanish or the crimes were committed in Spain.

marisacat - 8 September 2009

yay! Spain!

wu ming - 8 September 2009

please please please can we give CA back to spain?

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 September 2009

This is actually pretty funny:

What Birthers Believe

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 September 2009

Born to believe?

I am an atheist, and it feels good. I am not a mutant freak who is struggling against either my instincts, radio waves broadcast from CIA satellites, or the sub-etheric pleas of downy-winged angels. I have hardwired bits in my brain, I am sure, and I also have the forces of history and culture shaping the way I think, but that does not mean anything as shallow and simplistic as that I should surrender to my church for the good of my biological impulses.

I was also born with a brain that found object permanence extremely surprising. My parents could play peek-a-boo with me, and it took me a year or so to realize that it was not a massively beneficent act of nature that my mother’s face could still exist! Behind her hands! When I wasn’t looking! Hooray! Ha ha! This does not imply that thinking, conscious, educated adult human beings should continue to collapse in peals of childish laughter every time they open a door and find that their family doesn’t vanish when they aren’t in sight.

The weakly formed predispositions of babies are not obstacles to rational thought. Except, maybe, to adults with the brains of babies. The rest of us can grow out of that nonsense.

14. Intermittent Bystander - 8 September 2009

Breakkkking, from the spirit world!!! An important birthday message for catnip!

catnip - 9 September 2009

lol! That was cute. Thanks. 🙂

15. Intermittent Bystander - 8 September 2009

BTW, hard to believe that DH is really really gone gone forever, but maybe it’s the beginning of the end of an earwig?

A “time out,” “by mutual agreement,” perhaps. . . . If he “takes a break from blogging” and sticks to his “day job” (while he still has one), Orangistan will spare him any public trial, appeal, execution, funeral, autopsy, etc.. Skip all that unpleasant drama that Armando put them through. . . .

Tweet, tweet!

Speaking of which . . . Burning Meta Question, after the Fall: Where o where WILL Aravia go to crow?!

marisacat - 8 September 2009

hmm I forgot to check back at Talk Left and see if FernandoArmando said anything. Will put that on the grocery list!

Gee… the Armando thing went on for months. Was he or wasn’t he. I remember one of his sock puppets.. poiuynick. Think it was a play on Latin for “dick head”.


Intermittent Bystander - 8 September 2009

Kinda doubt Jeralyn would tolerate too much overt cross-site schadenfreude, but I’ll bet Tentola danced a little gravediggers’ jig at the news somewhere! Maybe he Twitters, too.

marisacat - 8 September 2009

she doesn’t allow “jackass”… aside from all the other words. So………. you can’t even call someone a jackass. Or a “jackass idea”.

Very limiting.

16. marisacat - 8 September 2009

hmm Sully and Ambinder are both saying “Obama won August. Really”.

Must be the mantra from the Atlantic. (other than Clive Crook).

I don’t want to see a ”bad” August if that is the case.

17. marisacat - 8 September 2009

😆 … 🙄 …… 😈 …. via Newsbusters.

Olbermann Flip-flops, Tells Kossacks NOT to Dig Up Dirt on Beck

September 8, 2009 – 18:46 ET

Want to know just how unstable MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann is?

Within the course of 48 hours, he asked Daily Kos readers to send him everything they could dig up about Fox News host Glenn Beck, and then called off the dogs.

That’s right.

The host of “Countdown,” apparently worried about his image, posted a follow-up blog Tuesday telling his minions to stand down but remain ready to attack if he needs them in the future:

marisacat - 8 September 2009

I actually read Olberman’s thingie to the end. He put up a tip jar. I think that makes him officially a Kossack. Or whatever fool name they toss around. NetNutter NationNuts… etc.

Tip Jar (614+ / 0-)

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18. marisacat - 8 September 2009

life is too tough. I think I need a new stove top cook pan. And I am lost between ”skillets”, ”fry pans” and ”saute pans”.


Madman in the Marketplace - 8 September 2009

what are you going to use it for?

can’t go wrong with a good skillet.

marisacat - 8 September 2009

well… maybe to cook those famous chicken breasts stove top, with an in pan sauce of some sort…

I was looking at saute pans as they seem to have slightly higher sides and come with lids… but now I am looking at skillets. cooking.com calls them skillets/frypans/omelet pans.

All in one.. or something i guess.

Thsi may be the fork in the road where I look at Foreman grills.


Madman in the Marketplace - 8 September 2009

I love my Foreman grill, especially for chicken breasts. The only problem is that if you’re looking to make a sauce for them you have to make it separate.

I used to have a Calphalon 10″ omelet pan that I used for most things, with a heavier cast iron skillet that I used to use for things where I needed a more consistent, high heat.

Not that I can remember any of those things anymore. Cast iron is a pain in the ass to keep seasoned, too.

I liked the 10″ omelet pan a lot. It’s basically a skillet with a curved bottom.

marisacat - 8 September 2009

well I know I need a 10″… which is a start. I have wonderful little 8″ that I like a lot… I have bigger skillets/saute pans/whatevers! but had to stop using them about 4 years ago, too heavy. I’ve been thru about 4 lighter weight, and thus not that expensive bigger pans… but was looking for something not too heavy but bettter quality.

Yes maybe time for grill.

When my grandmother was getting married at 18, she sent herself to a cooking school.. (I have the diploma from 1905 framed) and promptly never cooked again. So at least being lost I come by honestly.

wu ming - 8 September 2009

calphalon works really well, IMO. the anodized aluminum is much lighter than cast iron, and they distribute heat and deglase very nicely.

marisacat - 8 September 2009

oh thank you… (2 votes for Calphalon)

wu ming - 8 September 2009

foreman grill – meat waffle

19. marisacat - 8 September 2009

Just a thread……………


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