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Afghanistan 4 October 2009

Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, 2012 Re Election, Afghanistan War, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.

Kabul, Afghanistan: A boy walks past two men outside a hospital [Altaf Qadri/AP]

More Christian Science Monitor on Afghan War:

Almost eight years into the war, Afghanistan, and to a lesser extent Iraq, now offer the purest test yet of a fighting doctrine that is rapidly sweeping the US military. While counter-insurgency methods were used by the US Army at various times throughout the 20th century [gosh!  Do you think they mean……. Viet-Nam!?], they have now become the preferred method of conducting warfare in an era of global terrorism and stateless enemies.

No better way to say it, testing ground.

“This new strategy must also be properly resourced and executed through an integrated civilian-military counterinsurgency campaign that earns the support of the Afghan people and provides them with a secure environment,” McChrystal wrote, appearing to ask for more troops.

If his advice is accepted, it will underscore how much the mission in Afghanistan has shifted from the narrow focus of “get Al Qaeda” that prevailed at the start of the war to one where US soldiers and civilian aid workers are expected to reduce corruption at the local and national levels, train Afghan cops and soldiers, improve local economies, and aid in building a democratic central government.  [can we get some of that in AMERICA?]

To proponents of counterinsurgency warfare, this strategy represents the best chance the US has of achieving some sort of enduring victory in a country that has denied invaders for centuries. More than that, they see it as the archetype of how the US should fight the “long war” against terrorism around the globe.

So… let’s tabulate here, like all good bean counters:  the “goal”, such as it is, is to be the first to take down Afghanistan, after centuries of repelling invaders?  I don’t pick sides in these hideous wars of choice other than “for” the terrified, the wounded, the bereft, the lost, the dying and the dead.. but damn.

Fuck that idea.  Plus, it won’t be working out.

Yet critics say the US is discovering in Afghanistan that counterinsurgency is no silver, or even lead, bullet. Many worry that the US has tilted too far toward a trendy new type of warfare that is eroding its conventional capabilities and might lead it to commit to more expensive, open-ended conflicts 40 years after Vietnam.

“might”?  Would, if we scraped together even a fake photo win… but it won’t be happening. Still no guarantee we don’t continue to pursue in Africa, The Endless War on Drugs, our proxies in SE Asia, and so on…

One of Ob’s jobs, so clear it is laser-lit, has been to sweet talk the world, enough of the world, into joining us – and NATO – and the Brits, who still say they are leaving in 2011.  Others won’t be joining us… the French barely bother (3000 troops), enough to say, “we did already”…. We’ll be trolling our protectorates, Pacific Islanders, parts of the Carib… bribes, offers of citizenship if you live to claim it.. and so on.



1. marisacat - 4 October 2009

hmm… one of those Tom Dispatch things makes a point, we plunked out at least 4 trillion for the banksters… and what if ANYTHING will we get for it… and by comparison:

[J]ust this May, a 10-day frenzy saw the immunization of more than 222 million children in Africa and Asia. It was possible to watch the campaigners’ march through Africa on Google Maps. Among the foot soldiers in that vaccine war: Ali Mao Moallim, who more than three decades ago became the last person on Earth to contract wild smallpox. (Others have caught smallpox in the laboratory since.)

Think about that: inoculating 222 million children in 10 days. For comparison, there are only about 80 million children in the entire United States.

Imagine inoculating every child in America in 10 days. In 10 days, we couldn’t even get every voter in Florida to figure out whom they chose for president. . . . . . .

BooHooHooMan - 5 October 2009

IMO, to be blunt.
Re Afghanistan, Insurgency Commands in Population Centers AND Vaccines …

We have made unprecedented investments in Bio-WarFare in the Last Decade coinciding with ginned up support and Bubble Beneficiary tithing for our NEW Bogus NGO’s… these redundant-to-the-UN private efforts at delivery system infrastructure… The Clinton Global Initiative…..The Gates Foundation…various tax dodging fiefdoms set up along with the all important Press Ops.. That’s my basic take, frankly. Of late, tycoons or Presidential Partyboys with looted coin taking the place of our LAST set of Discredited NGO Standbyes – Preachers, Teachers, and adventure seekers formerly at the servile core of U.S. NGO’s.

—> Sanitation, Netting, Water, and Food. < —-

Nyahp .

Instead, we now have this Hitchcock Trailer for The Birds constantly playing in the background…Great flick, AND the perfect tie-in with airborne terror of manmade sorts haunting all humankind’s psyche now.

I agree with what you said Mcat..”It’s down to Kabul now…”
The basic truth is we are beat in the Mountains, beat in the fields, and about to be overrun in Kabul this winter. Seems people in the City seem to think we and our boy Karzai have overstayed our welcome and aren’t as docile as we Americans are with rigged elections.

So If someone asked me, I’d say we’re going to end up poisoning a wide swath of living things standing in that Oil pipeline’s path in AfPak…And we’ll blame it, literally, on animal shit. Like – “Who knew?”
“A Global outbreak of Some Mixed Flying Pig Stew Flu doncha know…”

I think De-population via Biowarfare is definitely among the Killers cards. .As it’s its craven cover: Shrouded in the much vaunted “nobility” of U.S. medical efforts and humanitarian assistance::::::::

“This new strategy must also be properly resourced and executed through an integrated civilian-military counterinsurgency campaign that earns the support of the Afghan people and provides them with a secure environment,” McChrystal wrote

And not just “there”, either….From the PTB POV a whole lot of superfluous people to be “dealt with”. Which reminds me…Crickets since the suicide of that top Anthrax Researcher accused at the Army BioWarfare Lab..of the Anthrax Mailings…With leading virologists and immunoligists outside of DOD/ UPMC BioTerror Center fold..
not buying the Government’s line.

marisacat - 5 October 2009

We’ll have a Mass said for you son..you have strayed far from the flock. We will pray for your eternal soul.


They got two more today in Afghanistan, a couple of NATO soldiers… one of whom is an American.

Aside from all the local people we pick off daily.

BooHooHooMan - 5 October 2009

Not a problem ! 😆
Seein as how the whole flock is said to be carrying Bird Flu.
Ah well. I just hope everybody would enjoy themselves, come back to the house after Mass, grab a platter…
The trick, of course, in any such event, is to discreetly step outside with a few extra meatballs and stash em in the glove compartment for later. LOL.

Seriously tho, I put nothing past our besotted Elites. Nothing. There likely m.o. is targetted liquidation of civilian political challenges arising in kabul. But that patch of pipeline turf supplying India and the Pacific Rim beyound is such an obsession ….They already talked of ‘strategic” nukes in Tora Bora and Peshawar…When faced with both denial of their corporate objective and a clear military LOSS.. Do I think Our Warlords could poison or otherwise make ill an entire city or Region?…Yes I do.

2. catnip - 4 October 2009

You need higher-quality trolls. That last one was about as entertaining as Tom DeLay on Dancing with the Has- Beens.

marisacat - 4 October 2009

he’s outta gas.. it was donkeytale.

3. catnip - 4 October 2009

AMERICAblog is now AMERICAblog Gay?

I didn’t know blogs could come out of the closet.

catnip - 4 October 2009

Oh wait. The non-sexual version is still up. (No pun intended).

marisacat - 4 October 2009

he got bitched at for covering gay issues in the summer… so they post items now, with a link to Americablog – Gay.

On the one hand when I would drop in at Americablog years ago… 2004, 05 or so..I remember it being more diverse.. but then I also did not think they overdid it this summer. A lot was happening. It kicked off with Aravosis getting the full text to the filing on DADT a few months ago.

catnip - 5 October 2009

he got bitched at for covering gay issues in the summer

Sheesh. It’s not like his is the only blog around if some people had issues with what he posted. And DADT was and is definitely a hot-button issue. I wonder if the heat was directed towards him because some of Obamalama’s followers couldn’t face the reality that he wasn’t going to do a damn thing about it.

Madman in the Marketplace - 5 October 2009

So he responded by setting up a gay bloghetto?

marisacat - 5 October 2009

yeah he did… exactly.

4. catnip - 4 October 2009

Praise Is Nice. But Show Alan Grayson Some Love

by Meteor Blades

love=money, of course

Hey MB, I have a better idea: send some uninsured people some “love” instead. They actually need it.

marisacat - 4 October 2009

Send Troops! Send Money!

Madman in the Marketplace - 5 October 2009

love = money

If you try to make that argument with the under-dressed young women walking along certain city streets you’ll get arrested!

marisacat - 5 October 2009

yes and Nancy papered races all over the nation with money frm her PACS and from her supporters political funds.

5. CSTAR - 4 October 2009

This is, no question, the guerre-faire state. War without end, amen.

marisacat - 4 October 2009

forever and ever.

6. marisacat - 5 October 2009

Ramping up… http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1927793,00.html

(ISLAMABAD) — A suicide bomber disguised as a security officer struck the lobby of the U.N. food agency’s Pakistan headquarters Monday, killing five people a day after the new leader of the Pakistani Taliban vowed fresh assaults, authorities and witnesses said.

The blast raises questions as to how the bomber managed to evade tight security at the heavily fortified World Food Program compound in the capital, Islamabad. It could also hamper the work of WFP and other aid agencies assisting Pakistanis displaced by army offensives against al-Qaeda and the Taliban in their strongholds close to the Afghan border. (Read “How Washington Will Measure Pakistan’s Success.”)

Hours after the attack, the world body said it was closing its offices in Pakistan temporarily.

Militants have carried out scores of suicide attacks in Pakistan over the last 2 1/2 years, several of them targeting foreigners and their interests. Under U.S. pressure, Pakistani security forces have recently had some success combatting the extremists.

The blast Monday shattered windows in the lobby of the compound in an upscale residential area of Islamabad and left victims lying on the ground in pools of blood, witnesses said. The office is close to a home belonging to President Asif Ali Zardari. . . . . . .

7. marisacat - 5 October 2009

Roubini at Bloomberg:

Oct. 5 (Bloomberg) — New York University Professor Nouriel Roubini, who predicted the financial crisis, said stock and commodity markets may drop in coming months as the gradual pace of the economic recovery disappoints investors.

“Markets have gone up too much, too soon, too fast,” Roubini said in an interview in Istanbul on Oct. 3. “I see the risk of a correction, especially when the markets now realize that the recovery is not rapid and V-shaped, but more like U- shaped. That might be in the fourth quarter or the first quarter of next year.”

Stocks have surged around the world in the past six months as evidence mounts that the economy is emerging from its deepest recession since the 1930s. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index has soared 51 percent from a 12-year low in March while Europe’s Dow Jones Stoxx 600 is up 48 percent. The euphoria contrasts with warnings from policy makers and investors like billionaire George Soros, who said today that the U.S. economic recovery will be “very slow.”

U.S. consumers are “overdebted” and the banking system has been “basically bankrupt,” Soros said in Istanbul. “The United States has a long way to go.”

Group of Seven policy makers, who met in the Turkish city over the weekend, said prospects for global growth “remain fragile.” . . . . .

8. catnip - 5 October 2009
9. catnip - 5 October 2009

And the Bonehead du Jour award goes to this guy.

A man was injured after approaching the tiger enclosure overnight at the Calgary Zoo, according to officials.

Two men entered the zoo without authorization at about 1 a.m. MT on Monday and one scaled the outer perimeter safety fence of the tiger enclosure, the Calgary Zoo said in a media statement.

The man did not enter the tiger exhibit but approached its fencing and came “into contact with one of the tigers and sustained significant injuries to his arms,” the zoo said.

The nature of the man’s injuries and his condition were not immediately available.

The zoo said that security personnel took the man to a zoo office where he received emergency first aid until medical services arrived on the site. The man was then taken to the Foothills hospital, the zoo said.

10. marisacat - 5 October 2009

omigod… we are waiting for our H1N1 vaccines out here, they did nto arrive today!… we are so scared! We will be wrapping ourselves in sheets with massive supplies of Purel sanitizer piped in under the sheet…

The 5 o’clock news is so entertaining!

11. marisacat - 5 October 2009

Turley, who was vehemently opposed to Sonia Sotomayor, has a piece up in the LAT on her and the first session she will sit on.

12. marisacat - 5 October 2009

mmm mmmm

[S]till, members do pay attention to their war chests, and at some point they may grow weary of having one of their most powerful chairmanships in the hands of a man who’s spending so much on lawyers that he can’t contribute to their campaigns.

In the first six months of the 2008 election cycle, Rangel’s political action committees gave nearly $700,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and to some 40 Democratic campaigns. In the first six months of the 2010 cycle, they gave just $141,000 to the DCCC and six Democratic campaigns. In the same period, the PACs spent $829,800 on attorneys — more than five times as much.

The diversion couldn’t come at a worse time for House Democrats, who have raised about $7 million less over the first eight months of this year than they did over the same period in 2007. [SEND MONEY! Ha! — Mcat]

“This is clearly a problem for Democrats, and if we start to reach a point when Democrats do not accept [Rangel’s] contributions, we will know that his political impact has crossed the Rubicon,” said David Wasserman, House editor for the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

Asked if he’s worried about losing stature with Democrats, Rangel said flatly: “No.”

But Rangel knows as well as anyone the connection between campaign contributions and political success in the House. In a 2007 interview with CQ, Rangel lamented his loss to then-Rep. Tony Coelho in a 1986 race to become the Democratic whip — and attributed it to Coelho’s ability to fund lawmakers’ campaigns from his perch as chairman of the DCCC.

“I had never been so goddamn naive,” he said. “I came to Washington as an experienced politician. How did I miss Coelho’s contribution to members?” . . . . .

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/27944_Page2.html#ixzz0T7TNYcST

13. BooHooHooMan - 5 October 2009

Like when were WE talking about this?
Six months ago? Last year? LOL.

Breaking: US $ being replaced as oil currency (Updated)
by cosmic debris
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Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:37:41 PM PDT

The story is breaking on Reuters, but it comes originally from Robert Fisk at the UK Independent. TheDemise of the Dollar

Apparently several Arab states have been in secret negotiations with Russia, Japan, China and France to replace the US Dollar with a variety of other currencies including the Yuan, Yen, Euro and a new unified currency “planned for nations in the Gulf Co-operation Council, including Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait and Qatar.”

My God. They’re positively turning into Ron Paul Supporters. LOL.
Next thing you know, the AIPAC spammers there won’t accept payment in Shekels.

marisacat - 5 October 2009


14. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 October 2009
15. BooHooHooMan - 5 October 2009

Results from Protests today in front of Ob’s crib
….Cindy . Medea. Deb Sweet.
60+ arrested last count. Cindy got busted in front of Obama’s White House

Vid coverage up via UPI.Nothing mentioning Cindy or Ob..Go Figure.

Quick Photo Stream via Flickr.

200+ People stayed over from Weekend work, some from recent decampment in PGH… DiDn’t Budge on Police and Secret Service orders. Presently Money is needed in various groups…frankly, to build bail money reserves…Because here’s the Deal: Obama is going to get a run for HIS money before midterms. Come what will.

Well, it’s like they say about starting over in a troubled relationship:
“Time to push the Reset Button.”

BooHooHooMan - 5 October 2009

82 Arrested. OBAMA”S White House.
Mr End the War. On the 8th Anniversary of the US Occupation of Afghanistan. Ob’s War Now. His.

marisacat - 5 October 2009

well Frontline is calling it “his”.


BooHooHooMan - 5 October 2009

He’s weak and does as he’s told.
He’ll begone not soon… but politically, soon enough.
Which raises the inevitable qualms..
But I have a sense from recent go rounds, that the many of the Peace Movement Left that gave him a pass realize its going to be a much longer haul and that the political conditions to discredit the Dems, while ripe, will also bring RW blowback… My sense is it feels different in that there is a recognition of politcal kibble /and less concern for incremental change let alone mere talk of the same…a greater willingness to push against Ob and the Dems given the undeniable screwing the cooperative types received…We’ll see how far it goes, but I sense Ob will be in LBJ territory after midterms …The man is NOT going to “grow a spine” or any of those hoped for notions bandied about by the Dem machinists…Which leaves the operatives in a ludicrous position…Temporarily their stock will rise going into 2010 as the base splinters, afterall, the Dem Party Brass will need all the bubble gum they can get to keep their entire facade from falling off….but as the base splinters… as it is..as it will continue to do so…those operatives will be in preposterous straights …
chuckling it off with the meme about “herding cats” isn’t going to cut it.

I think we’re going to be rubble socially and economically before this is resolved politically. The Elites of course, won’t “reform” of their own volition, just won’t. And electoral/ governmental means to do so? LOL. When they’re fuckin owned? Of course, You guys grok’d this long before I did…I’m just going over it in my mind…I think what’s it’s going to take, like Madman said about a Riots in the Streets kind of collapse…I agree, and think an utter domestic collapse economically precipitating the cutoff of our debt financing…Followed by the unapologetic refusal of other prospective partners to clean up after us. Present conditions are bad enough, but I see some very dark days ahead. But we’re beyond band-aid cures, or wrt our Money, the old:
Does it hurt when you go like that? Then don’t go like that.
Ob got a pass for a year during his debut on the “World Stage” . Nobody move Everybody hold your breath
No more. He’s done. His veneer of credibility…Despite the RW gloaters….My read on the Ob’s Olympic bid was a serious, serious slapdown, one that I doubt would have happened if he had actually delivered as the “new enlightened face of America”, for lack of better terms, the way he was SOLD.

Instead the Gigolo Ass Peddler for Bullies was sent packing…
And Quick…Sorry to ramble…I’m out. Prolly for a few…

marisacat - 5 October 2009

Starvation riots.. food riots… it will take that.

Blessed be Ob… he’s done. How long this limps on, I have no idea.

16. marisacat - 6 October 2009

neue thread…


……………… 😯 ……………….

17. Simon Owens - 6 October 2009

There’s actually a peace advocacy group that is marking the 8th anniversary of the Afghanistan war by flooding the White House’s Facebook fan page over the next few days.

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