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Shoot out 5 November 2009

Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, 2012 Re Election, Culture of Death, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.

Architectural renderings of recent upgrades to Ft Hood.

So… 11 dead plus the shooter dead, makes 12.  More than 30 wounded.  Some reports say the main shooter (2 “suspects” in custody) used two handguns.

Major Malik Nadal Hasan. Some reports say he is a recent convert to Islam.  Kay Bailey H tells us that he was soon to deploy to Iraq.

Gonna be a long story.

Buckle up.




1. marisacat - 5 November 2009

oh… another thing… Today is Guy Fawkes Day. Nov 5

marisacat - 5 November 2009

Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes :

Guy Fawkes
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For other uses, see Guy Fawkes (disambiguation) or Guido Fawkes (disambiguation).

This article is semi-protected.
Guy Fawkes
Born 13 April 1570 (1570-04-13)
York, Yorkshire, England
Died 31 January 1606 (1606-02-01) (aged 35)
Westminster, London, England
Charge(s) Conspiracy to assassinate King James I & VI and members of the Houses of Parliament
Penalty Hanged, drawn and quartered
Status Ensign
Occupation Soldier
Parents Edward Fawkes, Edith Blake

Guy Fawkes (13 April 1570 – 31 January 1606), also known as Guido Fawkes, the name he adopted while fighting for the Spanish in the Low Countries,[1][2] belonged to a group of Roman Catholic restorationists from England who planned the Gunpowder Plot of 1605.[3] Their aim was to displace Protestant rule by blowing up the Houses of Parliament while King James I and the entire Protestant, and even most of the Catholic, aristocracy and nobility were inside. The conspirators saw this as a necessary reaction to the systematic discrimination against English Catholics.[4]

The Gunpowder Plot was led by Robert Catesby, but Fawkes was put in charge of its execution. He was arrested a few hours before the planned explosion, during a search of the cellars underneath Parliament in the early hours of 5 November prompted by the receipt of an anonymous warning letter.

Guy Fawkes Night (or “bonfire night”), held on 5 November in the United Kingdom and some parts of the Commonwealth, is a commemoration of the plot, during which an effigy of Fawkes is burned, often accompanied by a fireworks display. The word “guy”, meaning “man” or “person”, is derived from his name.[5] . . . . .

Kind of doubt it was accidental.

2. marisacat - 5 November 2009

hmm Judy Woodruff just said Ft Hood is the “largest military installation IN THE WORLD.”.

OK Judy… you should know.

3. marisacat - 5 November 2009


Major Nidal Malik Hassan. 39, Army psychiatrist.

marisacat - 5 November 2009

also was a Army shrink at Walter Reed.

4. marisacat - 5 November 2009

NYT has a running Lede post up on details. Hasan is a Virginia native… some reports had said he was Jordanian born.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 November 2009

Amazing amount of damage for a guy with two handguns.

marisacat - 5 November 2009

isn’t it?

They released the two who were in custody, but have another they brought in.

Just to prove how looney we are, Gen McCaffery is out there calling it a “tragic peace time incident”.

Geesh. Nothing to do with PEACE TIME.

Madman in the Marketplace - 5 November 2009

peace time?!?!

geez, who are these fucking people?

marisacat - 5 November 2009

ugh. Brian Ross is reporting the mil was aware (if any of this is true) he was in trouble. Some months ago. A comment they picked up from an internet site, equating suicide bombers with US mil who thro themselves on a IED to save their buddies. Closed off with some salute to Allah.

Drinking… and confrontational issues.

Earlier I heard he was promoted in May, but then got a poor evaluation for hsi work as a doctor.

Who knows.

yeah what peace time.

Madman in the Marketplace - 5 November 2009

America has never had a peacetime.

catnip - 5 November 2009



Where, exactly, is it “PEACE TIME”?

CSTAR - 5 November 2009

Peace is war.

6. marisacat - 5 November 2009

via The Corner:

Fox has interviewed the shooter’s cousin, Nader Hasan, who says Nidal Malik Hasan was raised a Muslim — he is not a convert. I’d also note the anguish and shock in Nader Hasan’s voice; his family, the cousin says, is devastated.

catnip - 5 November 2009

There’s more info about him at the WaPo.

Hasan, a doctor in the Medical Corps, was promoted to major last year, according to the Congressional Record. He “was scheduled to be deployed and was upset about that,” Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Tex.) said on CNN after receiving a briefing from Army officials.

Hasan was a psychiatrist, according to acquaintances of his in Washington, and a Pentagon source said he was recently reassigned from Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington to work with soldiers at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood.

Hasan was a U.S. citizen, according to Virginia voting records, and his parents are Palestinians from the West Bank, according to his aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church. He was born at Arlington Hospital Center.

Hasan, 39, had lived in Montgomery County, Md., and Arlington, Va., in addition to Roanoke and nearby Vinton, Va. He graduated from Virginia Tech and earned his medical degree at Bethesda’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, records show.

Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.

Khan also said Hasan applied to an annual matrimonial seminar that matches Muslims looking for spouses. “I don’t think he ever had a match, because he had too many conditions,” Khan said.

“We never got into details of worldly affairs or politics,” the former imam said of his conversations with Hasan. “Mostly religious questions. But there was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration. . . . He never showed any . . . wish for vengeance on anybody.”

However, a fellow Army officer who worked with Hasan told Fox News Channel that Hasan had expressed strong opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

“He would make comments to other individuals about how we should not be in the war in the first place,” Col. Terry Lee told the network. “He made those comments, and he stuck strongly to his faith, but as soldiers we have a duty to follow orders from our commander in chief, and our political views are set aside.”

7. catnip - 5 November 2009
8. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 November 2009


Every one of the articles this morning highlighted the motivated, active Republican base. And yet, most of the panicky center-right Dems who want to slam on the brakes seemed to have no interest at all in generating any excitement within the Democratic base.

This doesn’t seem especially complicated. Voters handed Democrats a huge majority, not to sit on their hands, but to deliver on their agenda. A year from now, lawmakers will have to tell their constituents something about how (and whether) they took advantage of the opportunity. Do any of these vulnerable incumbents seriously think they’re better off with a depressed, unmotivated base and a short list of legislative accomplishments? Dems fared well in 2008 when young, minority, urban, and suburban Democrats and independents turned out in droves. Does the party think they’ll thrive if these folks stay home?

If Dems had lost the special elections, the weak knees would be easier to understand. But this year, given a choice, voters sent more Democrats to the Hill, giving the party a better chance at passing its agenda.

The party should take “yes” for an answer.

But they won’t, because they want to be Republicans.

marisacat - 5 November 2009

And yet, most of the panicky center-right Dems who want to slam on the brakes seemed to have no interest at all in generating any excitement within the Democratic base.

I am so happy I am liberated from hoping the Dems manage to do anything but fucking fuck up.

What a relief.

I am convinced that SOME, a very very few, of the so called progressives wish things were otherwise. But they stay with the party.

So it does not matter what they wish for…

9. marisacat - 5 November 2009

Ap and ABC News are both reporting, iwth ABC confirming the initial AP report…

The shooter is alive.

??? So………… is he the swamp monster? Rising again? Clark Kent?

catnip - 5 November 2009

Reuters crawl: Fort Hood shooter not dead, but wounded and in stable condition: Army spokesman


marisacat - 5 November 2009

I am guessing he wore a vest. The reports coming thru out here say “multiple gun shot wounds” but “stable”.

Interesting tho how long they let the “dead” story float.

catnip - 5 November 2009

They’re going to have to start calling him the “alleged” shooter now.

marisacat - 5 November 2009

[T]he shooter was initially reported to have been killed, but Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone told a late night news conference that the suspect was wounded and in custody. Cone would not say what Hasan’s medical condition was, but said the suspect was not in danger of dying.

Hasan is not talking to authorities, said Cone.

The officer emphasized that there was only one gunman. Two other soldiers were taken into custody, but were later released. [Lone gunman! Very important story line! No matter what! … ]

Hasan allegedly opened fire and killed 12 people on the post before he was shot several times. Among the wounded was a female police officer who exchanged gunfire with Hasan and shot the suspect.

The female police officer also survived the shooting, said Cone. . . . . . .

Odder is that the FBI is admitting to hving known of him as an issue for 6 full months.

catnip - 5 November 2009

Leave it to the US military – infamous for fucking up their initial reports…

marisacat - 5 November 2009

yes because they used “neutralised” for one, right away. And in the same reports claimed that another shooter might be “surrounded” at a specific building (it had a number, not a name).

😆 …. 🙄

10. marisacat - 5 November 2009


Ft Hood last communication is that they are in shut down mode, for the night. No further communiques tonight.

The mil needs their sleepy time.

Teddy bear? Anyone? Hot toddy? Tuck in? Chocolate on the pillow?

11. marisacat - 5 November 2009

It’d be funny… but….

Telegraph in the UK got some flesh on the bones of the first version… or a version of the version. And they segue right into the final version. Or… final version as of tonight.

[T]en of the victims were soldiers and one was a civilian police officer [oops no she is alive, they say… an EMT who shot the shooter!]. Two other injured soldiers were in a “very serious” condition in hospital.

Gun fire later erupted around the base as two alleged accomplices, also US soldiers, were captured and police said there may have been more than one gunman.

One of them had barricaded himself in a traumatic brain injury unit where he was surrounded by SWAT teams. Four police officers were wounded before he was arrested.

More than 500 soldiers were deployed to lock down Fort Hood as helicopters hovered overhead.

Base commander Lieutenant General Bob Cone said: “It has been a terrible tragedy, it’s stunning. We have a terrible, tragic situation here. Soldiers, family members and the civilians that work here are absolutely devastated.

The army has confirmed there was just one shooter. . . . . . .

12. catnip - 5 November 2009
13. catnip - 5 November 2009
14. catnip - 5 November 2009

dkos has another one of those ugly “skin” ads up. This one’s green and you can’t even read the type on the sides. Pathetic.

15. marisacat - 5 November 2009

And I assume this will get even more confused.

[M]ajor Hasan was wounded and taken into custody by the Fort Hood police after the shooting spree, in which 12 people were killed and at least 31 others were wounded.

Though Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas reported that Major Hasan was to be deployed this month, that could not be confirmed with the Army on Thursday night.

Nader Hasan said his cousin never mentioned in recent phone calls to Virginia that he was going to be deployed, and he said the family was shocked when it heard the news on television on Thursday afternoon.

“He was doing everything he could to avoid that,” Mr. Hasan said. “He wanted to do whatever he could within the rules to make sure he wouldn’t go over.”

Some years ago, that included retaining a lawyer and asking if he could get out of the Army before his contract was up, because of the harassment he had received as a Muslim. But Nader Hasan said the lawyer had told his cousin that even if he paid the Army back for his education, it would not allow him to leave before his commitment was up.

“I think he gave up that fight and was just doing his time,” Mr. Hasan said. . . . . .


[T]he former imam at a Silver Spring, Md., mosque where Major Hasan worshiped for about 10 years described him as proud of his work in the Army and “very serious about his religion.” The former imam, Faizul Khan, said that Major Hasan had wanted to marry an equally religious woman but that his efforts to find one had failed.

“He wanted a woman who prayed five times a day and wears a hijab, and maybe the women he met were not complying with those things,” the former imam said. . . . .

16. marisacat - 5 November 2009

Such bad optics… http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/nov2009/db2009112_606442.htm.

[T]o the list of hundreds of schools, hospitals, and community health centers that have received limited allocations of the H1N1 swine flu vaccine, you can now add some of New York’s largest employers. In the past week or so 13 companies, including Citigroup (C) and Goldman Sachs (GS), have begun receiving small quantities of the vaccine, according to city health authorities.

Citigroup has been supplied with 1,200 units and Goldman with 200, says Jessica Scaperotti, press secretary for the Department of Health & Mental Hygiene. The agency has so far approved orders by 29 employers—including 16 that have yet to receive any vaccine—after they were cleared by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC). Big employers that have received or are scheduled to receive vaccine so far include Time Warner (TWX), JPMorgan Chase (JPM), Memorial Sloan-Kettering, New York Presbyterian Healthcare System, and New York University. . . . .

17. marisacat - 6 November 2009

well it is Glenn R … but he quotes NPR (and links back)… the liberal bible. 😆

UPDATE: Here’s the NPR segment. Key bit:

He gave a Grand Rounds presentation. . . You take turns giving a lecture on, you know, the correct treatment of schizophrenia, the right drugs to prescribe for personality disorder, you know, that sort of thing. But instead of giving an academic paper, he gave a lecture on the Koran, and they said it didn’t seem to be just an informational lecture, but it seemed to be his own beliefs. That’s what a lot of people thought.

He talked about how if you’re a nonbeliever the Koran says you should have your head cut off, you should have oil poured down your throat, you should be set on fire. And I said well couldn’t this just be his educating you? And the psychiatrist said yes, but one of the Muslims in the audience, another psychiatrist, raised his hand and was quite disturbed and he said you know, a lot of us don’t believe these things you’re saying, and that there was no place where Hasan couched it as this is what the Koran teaches but you know I don’t believe it. And people actually talked in the hallway afterwards about ‘is he one of these people that’s going to freak out and shoot people someday?’

18. catnip - 6 November 2009

1 Dead; At Least 8 Injured In Downtown Shooting

ORLANDO, Fla. — At least eight people are injured and one person is dead after a mass shooting inside a downtown Orlando high-rise, and authorities are conducting a manhunt for a gunman.

Firefighters were called to Gateway Center at 1000 Legion Place around 11:30 a.m. The building is near Lake Ivanhoe. Many employees of Reynolds, Smith and Hills, an architecture firm, said they barricaded themselves inside their offices during the incident.

All of the patients were transported to Orlando Regional Medical Center. At least four of the eight patients were critically hurt. The ORMC emergency room was closed to patients because of the incident.

Former employee Jason Rodriguez, 40, was identified by authorities with the Orlando Police Department as a suspect in the shooting. He is still being sought and could possibly be driving a silver 2002 Nissan sport utility vehicle with Florida tag D11-9UX.

“Juan Rodriguez” – obviously another Muslim Terrorist.

catnip - 6 November 2009

oops..”Jason”, that is…still…that looks like a pretty Muslim name to me…there must be a “Jason” somewhere in the Koran…

marisacat - 6 November 2009

well maybe his middle name is Hussain… and he bitched and moaned every time it got used.

It gets old.

19. marisacat - 6 November 2009

The CW being pushed today is, “second hand smoke”, as I would paraphrase it.

[S]ome studies suggest that about 15% of soldiers returning from Iraq suffer from emotional problems.

Last year there were 128 confirmed suicides by serving US army personnel, and 41 by serving marines – the highest number since records began in 1980.

Another 15 army deaths were still under investigation when the figures were released in February.

The confirmed rate of army suicides was 20.2 per 100,000 last year. In 2002, the army suicide rate was just 9.8 per 100,000. The last time it exceeded the civilian rate was at the height of the Vietnam war.

Hasan did not fit the classic pattern of a stressed soldier. But someone listening day after day to troops describing the tension and carnage in Iraq and Afghanistan could end up as damaged as those facing combat at first hand.

20. BooHooHooMan - 6 November 2009

Jeesis. Been away from the tube and web for a bit.
Was catching some of the reports on the fly and really we a nose deep in propaganda and bullshit on the MantraTube.


NJ- Ob’s critical support among Independents deserted him. And a good chunk of his base among Dems hold him as a non factor, politically.

I saw Olberman. Gone is the guy who indicted Bush as a Liar.
Welp™ {chomping straw}On Teeee Vee he did. Quite the show.

But really – Keith , duuuude, buddy…
Quit pimping the New York 23rd Congressional like it’s
“Dewey beats Truman”. Bigger Picture ya know…Like how the GOP will swipe that special-election-seat back in a year, courtesy of the Vichy Dems. Instead of parroting the DNC TPM’s verbatim…Oh I dunno, maybe “Keith” (yep, first name basis in a very Rupert Pupkin-esque way, seein as how we all practically know him from being online and watching Tee Vee and all- LOL)
So Keithster, my advise is to Just Revert to Limbaugh O’Rielly and Hannity mode. Or have Chipmunk MAMZ McGillicutty on more often if you can’t bear to speak of Obama and the Donks outright scuttling the very agenda they’ve campaigned on year after year. For MONEY and a perpetual bottom man role…

Moving on…from one disaster to another…
The Ft Hood Shootings-
SoA Burns today..”these soldiers were doing what they love…”
Oh Gad. Leaving home? Killing? Dying?
Obama yesterday..shocked at the “horrific violence”.

War. PTSD. Blowback. Dictionary. Get a clue.

I saw some GOP asshole on.. “These Warriors..”…”These Fine Warriors..”…”These Warriors this..”…”These Warriors that..”
And ( Ret) Col. Jack Jacobs on last night to talk about the Tragedy of “Hassan” and Mort Zuckerman this morning on Joe Dead-Intern-in-the-Office/ Retired from Congress/ Landed Cable Gig Scarborough’s Show…
“.JS- …Not to say anything about Hassan’s name but believe you me..” Hey why not? I got the Jews covered, and my buds do a nice job on the Catholics and Fundies..LOL..Besides, when snippets of barbed wire becomes the universal currency we’ll know we got through the Economic ‘Crisis”.

Meanwhile, the GOP moves to redefine themselves in one fell swoop
off the NY 23 and these 2009 Governors races…with no small help from the media…
“NY 23 was a rejection of the Conservative GOP”..
{they are hanging out their own GOP weirdos to dry up their}
– “Not representative of the GOP as a whole” 🙄
– “Unlike VA and New Jersey” “we’re Moderate” 🙄

– “We’re BAACK”

And indeed they are..Again, courtesy of the bought and paid for Vichy Dems. May the collapse come quick.

Because Obama is a nothing outside of staged rallies for devotees, that’s for sure. Irony much?
…’Shocked” at the “horrific violence”-
Canned, Lawyerly, Aloof, spoon-fed Crisis ManagementSpeak.
This guy is faking it.

21. marisacat - 6 November 2009

gnu post


……………… 😯 ……………..

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