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Here goes… 19 December 2009

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

a new thread, at least….

I hope when I have some stamina and energy to call AOL – India.  It seems to be a connectivity problem. By the time I get the 4th tab open in Firefox… AOL is hanging up on itself. 

Well… what else would be new with AOL.  Shoulda left years ago…



1. marisacat - 19 December 2009

😆 .. 🙄

Poor NOW… all stressed and nowhere to go.

[A] nearly 400-page Manager’s Amendment offered by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), being debated currently, contains a provision every bit as bad as the infamous House-passed Stupak-Pitts Amendment. The provision was drafted to gain the vote of abortion rights opponent Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) and is a complicated variation of Stupak-Pitts. It allows any state to prohibit abortion coverage in health insurance exchanges. In addition, all funds that would pay for abortion services would have to be segregated from other private funds and federal subsidies. This requirement would apply to the tens of millions of women who would buy their insurance under the new exchanges and, in the opinion of expert health policy analysts, would mean that insurers simply would not provide abortion coverage in the exchange plans. Eventually, insurers would stop offering abortion coverage altogether. ….

I heard some plaintive dame last night or the night before on KGO wishing Teddy K were not dead.

So…. he could…. save us from under the bridge?

Poor Camelotta of “you know” fame blew the whistle on the big family “secret”…. nevah nevah supported abortion OR women.

I mean, you really HAVE to laugh.

marisacat - 19 December 2009

It got funnier. I went back and read to the end of the email… and it ends like this:

If the Manager’s Amendment is adopted, ask your senators to vote against the entire bill. The Senate does not HAVE to pass this flawed bill before Christmas, but they MUST fix the bill to remove onerous abortion restrictions! And the senators should restore the public option and the Medicare buy-in as well.

and then

with friends like these. Etc.

Madman in the Marketplace - 19 December 2009

CNN was just reporting that Stupak and his supporters are complaining that Nelson’s compromise is too liberal.

Madman in the Marketplace - 19 December 2009

Stupak aims to sink ‘unacceptable’ abortion compromise

An aide to Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) coordinated opposition to the Senate health bill’s abortion compromise this morning with the Republican Senate leadership, according to a chain of frantic emails obtained this morning by POLITICO.

Stupak, in an interview with POLITICO, called the Senate bill’s abortion position “unacceptable” – but disavowed his staffer’s collaboration with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

“I never talked to McConnell about the health care bill,” said Stupak, adding that “I did not authorize the email [which] “was sent without my knowledge.”

Stupak said that he has discussed the Senate’s abortion position with Democratic senators Ben Nelson (Neb.) and Robert Casey (Penn.), who both hold conservative views on abortion.

Stupak’s continued opposition to the Senate plan, despite those conversations and intense pressure from the White House, suggests that reconciling it with the House bill may prove politically challenging.

The Senate language represented “a dramatic shift in federal policy,” said Stupak, adding that he remained hopeful that the differences could be resolved in conference. Nelson, though, said earlier Saturday that his support for the legislation was contingent on the abortion compromise remaining in it.

The emails suggest a previously unseen degree of coordination between the offices of Stupak and McConnell. Stupak is the leader of a group of pro-life Democrats who say they’ll oppose the sweeping legislation if it uses government money to pay for abortion, while McConnell is firmly committed to killing the legislation.

The fact that their offices have made common cause against the Senate’s health care compromise will likely further infuriate Stupak’s Democratic colleagues in the House, and demonstrates his willingness to stop any bill that doesn’t pass his test.

“Guys – when will we see your letters of opposition to the managers amendment?? We need them ASAP!” wrote Erika Smith, the Stupak aide, at 9:23 this morning, less than an hour after the amendment had become available.

The email’s recipients included key staffers for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, National Right to Life, the Family Research Council, as well as Autumn Fredericks Christensen, aide to top pro-life Republican Chris Smith, and Lanier Swann, a McConnell aide.

catnip - 19 December 2009

[insert various curse words here]

marisacat - 19 December 2009

The email’s recipients included key staffers for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, National Right to Life, the Family Research Council, as well as Autumn Fredericks Christensen, aide to top pro-life Republican Chris Smith, and Lanier Swann, a McConnell aide.

There has always been a Pro Life Majority in congress… Henry Hyde had all the help he needed from Democrats.

And I think the US Council of Bishops… had best apply for the retirement and medical benes that congress enjoys. They hold seats in congress.

Of course they get it for Free from Catholic Physicians… even better than congress’s cheap system…

Madman in the Marketplace - 19 December 2009

I’m really sick of people’s rights being held hostage by a bunch of superstitious pederasts.

2. BooHooHooMan - 19 December 2009

courtesy of Catnip’s claws in last thread , found amidst the panic in the Het/Lib/Ob trenches…

there is subset of white gay males who are extremely racist. They not only attack Obama — they go after black people as well.

Jeebis. Who knew? I guess now they’re gettin over run
by cross burners in chaps.
Welp. Ya know what this means –
Aravosis, seeing an opening for an accessories line,
further brand extension, etc…In short order, will rollout…
Americablog / Gay / KLAN…..dawt com.

3. marisacat - 19 December 2009

OK I got the 7 day thread shut down for comments OFF…. 😆 a thread should go forever or until it crashes of it’s own weight.

4. marisacat - 19 December 2009

Unloose the dogs of war… and Obama better cinch his diapers tightly. I don’t think he has a single loyal corner man either.

They don’t have to bother to assassinate him… he is so useful for war.

LA Times

Get your war on.

Reporting from Washington – Three men alleged to be Al Qaeda associates were charged Friday with conspiring to smuggle cocaine through Africa — the first U.S. prosecution linking the terrorist group directly to drug trafficking.

The three suspects, who were charged in federal court in New York, are believed to be from Mali and were arrested in Ghana during a Drug Enforcement Administration sting. Although U.S. authorities have alleged that Al Qaeda and the Taliban profit from Afghanistan’s heroin trade, the case is the first in which suspects linked to Al Qaeda have been charged under severe narco-terrorism laws, federal officials said.

The 18-page complaint describes a convergence of mafias and terrorists in northwest Africa that has caused increasing alarm among European, African and U.S. investigators.

Cocaine traffic has risen sharply in West Africa in recent years. Exploiting states that are weakened by corruption, poverty and violence, Latin American mafias have made the region a hub for moving cocaine across the Atlantic and into the booming drug markets of Europe. ….

catnip - 19 December 2009

Meanwhile, back at the humungous Afghanistan opium ranch…

5. catnip - 19 December 2009
CSTAR - 19 December 2009

It first I thought the writer of that comment meant something else, but incredibly, the writer actually meant, clinical depression is a choice, I suppose under that reasoning, schizophrenia is choice.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 December 2009

Eyewitness Confirms: Cop Freaks Out Over Snowball Fight–Brandishes Gun

there are links in the story to video of the incident.

ms_xeno - 19 December 2009

…The Nov. 14 incident was caught on TriMet video. Transit Officer Aaron Dauchy had taken the girl to the ground on a MAX platform at Northeast 148th Avenue after she swung at him. Dauchy was trying to arrest her on a MAX exclusion violation. As she continued to struggle with Dauchy, Humphreys is seen circling the two, and shoots the girl with the beanbag shotgun once in the thigh at close range.

Saltzman said when he first saw the video, he was disturbed by it. “At the time I was pretty upset. I wanted him on leave,” he said.

Sizer initially recommended Humphreys be assigned to desk duty in the bureau’s telephone reporting unit, but Saltzman overruled her and put him on paid leave.

Saltzman’s initial directive prompted hundreds of officers to march on City Hall, blasting his decision and proclaiming their support of Humphreys. Many argued Saltzman violated Humphrey’s due process, and acted only because of Humphreys’ role in the James P. Chasse Jr. case.

A federal lawsuit accuses Humphreys of excessive force in the September 2006 arrest of Chasse. The 42-year-old man who suffered from schizophrenia later died in police custody of blunt force trauma to the chest. Early in November, Saltzman recommended Humphreys be suspended without pay for two weeks for failing to fully inform paramedics of the violent struggle with Chasse, and for not insisting he be taken by ambulance to the hospital…

Full link.

Some twerp of a pollster called me last weekend wanting my feelings about this mess. They didn’t couch the questioning to be about it directly, but I was bemused when the pollster kept harping on the dangerousness of homeless youths downtown, and the like. I finally told her point-blank that while I don’t like getting hassled for money by homeless folk of any age, I’ve lived in the city for twenty years. At no time did a homeless person whose request/demand that I refused responded with anything worse than perhaps a snarled, “Fine, Bitch.” As one or both of us walked away. Even that was very rare.

I’m way more scared of the police than of the homeless. Which is how the cops en masse prefer it, most likely. None of that was within the scope of the poll, but I did my best. :/

Madman in the Marketplace - 19 December 2009

I find cops to be very dangerous in general too … I always feel like they’re HOPING the situation they’re in will escalate.

ms_xeno - 20 December 2009

And, ya’know, I want to believe that if I need to call a cop, the Law of Averages would dictate that s/he would NOT be a rage-o-holic who’ll beat some mentally ill transient to death for throwing broken glass on my front lawn.

And then, I read that “hundreds” of cops marched in support of this asshole Humphreys and know that I’d be stupid to roll the dice. Better glass on the front lawn than the injury or death of a sick person on the conscience, I guess.

marisacat - 19 December 2009

I hope if he shot something it was a snowball… 😆

7. marisacat - 19 December 2009

ya think?

Snow Threatens ‘Super Saturday’ Sales

Wall Street Journal – Rachel Dodes, Ann Zimmerman – ‎56 minutes ago‎
NEW YORK — A massive snowstorm slammed the eastern US, hitting Washington, Philadelphia and parts of Virginia and the Carolinas before winding its way north.

8. marisacat - 19 December 2009

ooops there goes another one!

[T]he Esquire story made a brief splash, chiefly because it described a then-21-year-old Tiger Woods telling puerile jokes, helping himself to an unlimited supply of available ladies and (even then) separating himself from the regular-person world behind an electrified fence of privilege and celebrity.

More to the point, though, Pierce saw the Tiger myth as it was being manufactured, through the collusion of Tiger’s father, the late Earl Woods (whom Pierce called “an entertaining con man”) and highly paid managers.

“[H]e’s become the center of a secular cult, the tenets of which hold that something beyond golf is at work here, something that will help redeem golf from its racist past, something that will help redeem America from its racist past, something that will bring a new era of grace and civility upon the land …,” Pierce wrote – way back then! “I do not believe in the chosen one, the redeemer of golf and of America and of the rest of the world.” [ oh boo CP… why not? It is such useful fiction… and recyclable, too! what is not to love?! — Mcat]

Pierce doesn’t seem to have disliked Tiger at the time; he just didn’t buy all the hooey. What he found was a fairly typical, privileged young man who happened to be a great golfer.

“I can’t say I’m surprised,” Pierce wrote last week, in an update posted to his original story. “The Tiger Woods that was constructed for corporate consumption was spotless and smooth. … The perfect marriage with the perfect kids slipped so easily into the narrative it seemed he’s been born married.” ….

Dallas Morning News

Madman in the Marketplace - 19 December 2009

Peirce is an interesting writer … he seems able to see through crap, but can never quite bring himself to really puncture the balloons he finds. He lacks Hunter’s willingness to go for the jugular.

9. marisacat - 19 December 2009

Money frm heaven… 🙄

[B]ut Nelson’s deal could be a pittance compared to where the Nebraska compromise might ultimately lead – to 49 other states demanding that the feds pick up their share of health reform’s new Medicaid burden when it kicks in during 2017.

“When you look at it, I thought well, God, good, it is going to be the impetus for all the states to stay at 100 percent [federal funding]. So he might have done all of us a favor,” Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) said of Nelson’s dealings.

Nelson and Levin also pushed a provision that exempts non-profit insurers in Nebraska and Michigan from an annual multi-billion dollar excise tax on insurance companies.

Not surprisingly, both states are home to non-profit insurers who control a high-percentage of the industry’s profits. In Michigan, non-profit insurers control 76 percent of the industry’s profits – one of the highest percentages in the nation – while Nebraska non-profits control 46 percent of their state’s profits.

And in an example of how closely senators guarded details, Levin’s office did not answer any questions about the proposal when asked about it on Friday.


Obama, too, talked of the deals as just the cost of doing business in Washington.


I read at Politico that Barbara Boxer is fine iwth the abortion restrictions on top of everything else.


10. catnip - 19 December 2009
marisacat - 19 December 2009

what a scream… from one of the HuffPo diatribes he uses… Hamsher. Seems she wants to lead a Revolucion. Or soemthing.

[R]ahm Emanuel has convinced himself that Ron Brownstein is a “liberal” and dismisses all of this as “the progressive backlash against the progressive backlash.” He’s betting that any inadequacies will be forgotten come November 2010 if the Dems can claim a “w” by passing any crap bill and slapping “health care” on it. And that if Congress just spends the next year naming post offices, any objections that Americans might have to paying 8% of their incomes to private corporations who will use the IRS as their collection agency will just disappear. It’s scary to think that people this obscenely stupid are running the country. All the while, the painfully obvious left/right transpartisan consensus that is coalescing against DC insiders of both parties appears to be taking everyone by surprise. …

marisacat - 19 December 2009

from his own update… Jesus… if I NEVER fucking hear “feet ot the fire” again, it will be a blessing.

I only hope that in holding President Obama’s feet to the fire, that he finds that person inside of him, to go forward on the behalf of the American people (not Wall Street, not the Banks, not the Private Health Care Industry or Corporations) but remember that we are the same people that expect a ‘fair shake, a bit of justice, accountability and a honest days pay for an honest days labor.’ We are not looking for a ‘handout’ like so many of these bailed out Corporations, but we are not going to stand helplessly by when blatant favoritism for these Corporations continues time and time again. …

Drool on.

catnip - 19 December 2009

Yes, Inner Obama to the rescue!

ms_xeno - 20 December 2009

How come my “nihilism” is a problem but their ongoing foot fetish isn’t?

I don’t think that’s fair.

ms_xeno - 19 December 2009

Have they started screaming at Nader again yet? Some schmuck I don’t know and don’t want to know is doing that over at Alas at the moment. These twits and their little reindeer games are so fucking transparent. I can’t believe I ever wasted so much as five minutes in that den of self-deluding wankers and tossers, thinking that they could learn anything or be reasoned with.

Fuck ’em.

catnip - 19 December 2009

They NEVER miss the chance to scream at Nader. It’s like a religion over there.

ms_xeno - 20 December 2009

Thankfully they haven’t yet set it to liturgical music yet, though. I’m all out of Vicodin. :/

Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2009

Joan Walsh compared Dean to the “nihilists” who voted for Nader the other day.

catnip - 20 December 2009

Nihilists – that seems to be the talking point du jour. Arianna – white-privileged, racist nihilist. (I see some have now thrown Frank Rich under the bus over there saying he’s racist too. They have nothing left. Just like during the campaign. Everybody’s a racist again.

ms_xeno - 20 December 2009

D’awww… They’re so cute when they use big words that they’ve never actually looked up.

Apparently, a nihilist is anyone who dares to get between a Cigna CEO and his Holiday Caribbean cruise with his pet Senators. [scribbles] Will this be on the exam?

I’m sad that the campaign to pit Nader against Chris Dodd probably won’t go anywhere. It’d be worth it just for all the exploding heads. Forget the new flat-screen, forget Hawaii, forget the good champagne. That’s all I</b want for Xmas.

catnip - 20 December 2009

What’s going on with the Dodd v Nader thing lately? I haven’t kept up.

ms_xeno - 20 December 2009

Haven’t heard anything new, myself. However, did you know that one can’t criticize Clinton II the Divine Electric Boogaloo unless she acknowledges with every single bingle breath that Obama is also bad bad bad.

Check out the comments: Bawwwww!!! Weave poow widdle Hiwwawy Awwonnnnnne!! Bawwww!!


marisacat - 20 December 2009

Blessings all around!

Chicago Tribune – Michael Phillips – ‎11 hours ago

“I face the world as it is,” President Barack Obama said this month, accepting the Nobel Peace Prize, “and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people.

Blessings all around!

catnip - 20 December 2009

She’s likable – enough.

11. marisacat - 20 December 2009

Just to let everyone know…

I DO seem to be in some sort of big continuing trouble with the damned computer. Far far far too much for a new computer…

My neighbor is out of town til after xmas… not that he knows much… but I could contact dell thru his computer. I connect at very very low bps, when I do get on… so very limited in what I can do or open.

Couple of feelers out via email… at least for places to gather my limited knowlege.

So not up for this…

Very frsutrating few hours starting at 5 something this am…


Sorry for endless station ID break ins… 😆 … but if I disappear at I least I said why.


ms_xeno - 20 December 2009

Isn’t the help desk in India? If you could just book a holiday cruise there, it would be like multi-tasking. :p

marisacat - 20 December 2009

I am pretty good with accents… but even I flag. I was just telling someone on the phone that my worst “accent” event was a 4 hour ro so thing on KGO during the Georgian S Ossetia war… last year sometime.

EVERYBODY from every little slice there has someone here and they all called in. Gah. Heavy accents. I cheerfully admit by the end I was fried.

On constant, they all blame Mother Russia.


I am briefly back on at 33,800 bps. fwiw… but having quickly yesterday ordered from Safeway, rearranged my Neflix list and ordered loose tea… I am expecting Safeway at 1PM. Thank Jesus and his mother I ordered. Doubt I get thru an order form with this shakey connection.

Take care all.


12. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2009


Pope passes special Vatican copyright giving him exclusive right to use his name, title, image

The Pope has created a special (and weirdly incoherent) copyright in his name, image and symbols. This “copyright” appears to prohibit using these words and symbols to denote goods or services (“Pope Secondary School,” “Pope Soap,” “Pope Burgers”), all of which are covered already under trademark and fraud laws, and need no copyright to protect them.

marisacat - 20 December 2009

How about Pope Butt?

(yes I am on… and going to take a big leap and down load Net Zero – thanks Madman for the link!)

Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2009

yvw, I hope it helps.

marisacat - 20 December 2009

well it has not shut me down… like AOL was doing. but it seems slow. I have paid thru the years, monthly for “wire protection”… or at least my mother did – and I kept it up… on the hardlines here… and tho I reduced them to 2 lines.. it does mean I can call the damned phone company and have the phone line status checked out…

we’ll see…

in the middle of this, the Safeway delivery came. If I was not alaready breathless this am, I am now.

{trying to figure out how their tabs work)

Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2009

at the very least, they’re cheap as a backup.

catnip - 20 December 2009

Did he copyright “Popeyness”? I sure hope not…

Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2009

well, NAMBLA is already taken …

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2009

Crash State

The L.A. Times reports that, “Over the next six months, a budget-induced employee retirement program will shrink [L.A.’s] civilian workforce—a group that excludes the Department of Water and Power—by at least 9%. Some policymakers have only begun grasping the magnitude of the exodus of librarians, building inspectors, traffic officers, city planners and other workers, many of them the city’s most experienced employees.”

Imagining Los Angeles without “librarians, building inspectors, traffic officers, [and] city planners” will sound, to many, as if nothing has changed in the city at all—but this governmental downsizing comes just as speculation about California’s impending bankruptcy grows.

marisacat - 20 December 2009

the whole thing to me is actually transparent. wave bye bye to what was, however full of holes and tenuoous it often was.

What we are seeing here is a battle between unions. So many lay offs across the city depts that workers with more seniority in some of the unions serving those groups (SEIU is only a big one) are insisting that lower ranked workers be layed off and higher ranked workers be moved across agencies to other jobs.

One example, they targetted school secretaries, who I gather perform all manner of administrative daily tasks, and people laied off in admin at the Public Health Dept now want those jobs.


14. marisacat - 20 December 2009

For the diversion of it all… 😉

Reposting this from BHHM, as it lanquished overnight in spam (apologies)


Anybody see that blip where some somebodies hacked into a drone?
So much for TIA.

Meanwhile in other misguided National Security News
– and Gad I hate when this happens –

“Intentionally naked’ Fairfax County man appealing his conviction

By Tom Jackman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 19, 2009

The Fairfax County man who was arrested for being naked –,b> in his home — was found guilty Friday of indecent exposure, but the judge did not fine him or sentence him to jail.

Erick Williamson, 29, continued to believe that he had done nothing wrong and that he did not purposely expose himself to two women and a 7-year-old boy who walked past his house the morning of Oct. 19. He immediately appealed his conviction.

A seven-person jury in misdemeanor appeals court will rule on the propriety of Williamson’s domestic nudity in February.

“That’s outrageous,” he said after the verdict. “It’s unbelievable.” He said publicity from the arrest had cost him a job as a commercial diver. “I’m the victim,” he said.

Nothing like the Keystone Cops wherever they are.
I dunno ..on those few nude occasions I went to the front window to watch that blinking neon arrow I had installed out on the front lawn, some fuckin pedestrians happen to walk by…Every Holloween , same thing….


marisacat - 20 December 2009

You know i remember that story.. not sure it says it in the story (as I did not click thru… ) but it happened at like 6:30 am. In his own kitchen (again iirc)… and I guess a glass window of some size that was wehre the three were walking.

I sort of feel for the guy…

I know some people years ago in the Castro got tired of men coming to their front door in full erection… as in answering the door to your own home, but clearly fully visible ot the sidewalk out side. (I could care less)

But I am not sure that a dash across your own kitchen is quite the same.

15. catnip - 20 December 2009

I see they’re burning Hamsher at the stake at dkos. Caramel-covered popcorn* for all!

(*This product does not contain nuts.)

marisacat - 20 December 2009

Hamsher made it ot the ABC (think it was) national news this week.


16. marisacat - 20 December 2009

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