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We treat them so well. 9 January 2010

Posted by marisacat in Afghanistan War, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.

Khost, Afghanistan: US medical staff wheel in an injured Afghan man for treatment at the FOB Salerno military base   [Spencer Platt/Getty Images]


I suppose Panetta can become more pathetic and useless, but hard to see how…

[W]e have found no consolation, however, in public commentary suggesting that those who gave their lives somehow brought it upon themselves because of “poor tradecraft.” That’s like saying Marines who die in a firefight brought it upon themselves because they have poor war-fighting skills.

This was not a question of trusting a potential intelligence asset, even one who had provided information that we could verify independently. It is never that simple, and no one ignored the hazards. The individual was about to be searched by our security officers — a distance away from other intelligence personnel — when he set off his explosives.

Our officers were engaged in an important mission in a dangerous part of the world. They brought to that mission their skills, expertise and willingness to take risks. That’s how we succeed at what we do. And sometimes in a war, that comes at a very high price.

Considering that the harsh and blunt assessments of ”failed tradecraft” have come from old CIA guys – in the face of 7 dead, one of whom was the senior CIA officer… well… maybe Panetta can see to it that Damon’s wretched piece of propaganda pushing the CIA and its “small wars” is re-released.

Why not.



1. marisacat - 9 January 2010


NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’: DNC Chairman Gov. Tim Kaine (D-VA); RNC Chairman Michael Steele; Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA); roundtable with NBC’s Chuck Todd and NBC’s Andrea Mitchell

ABC’s ‘This Week’: Chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisors Christina Romer, roundtable with ABC’s George Will, former State Department official Liz Cheney, Bloomberg’s Al Hunt, former Labor Secretary Robert Reich and PBS’s Judy Woodruff

CBS’s ‘Face the Nation’: Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), roundtable with the New York Times’ Peter Baker and CBS’s Jan Crawford

‘Fox News Sunday’: Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) and Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI); DNC Chairman Gov. Tim Kaine (D-VA) and RNC Chairman Michael Steele, roundtable with Fox News’s Brit Hume, NPR’s Mara Liasson, the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol and NPR’s Juan Williams

CNN’s ‘State of the Union’: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and Sen. Joe Lieberman (I.D.-CT), Chair of the White House Council of Economic Advisors Christina Romer, Democratic strategist Donna Brazile and former State Department official Liz Cheney, ‘Last Word’ segment with former Gov. Doug Wilder (D-VA)

marisacat - 9 January 2010

moving thsi comment forward from end of last thread… BHHM‘s:

Jeezis. I must’ve smoked way too much grass a youngster.

Because I now can’t help but thinking I prolly just saw the poster shot from some new movie, Circus Clowns Go To Washington


BTW, guess who is defending the HC R bill out here? the head of Blue X of CAli.


Te local media found Pelosi at some feel good event last night, here in SF… asked her about HC and rolling over. She lies so badly.

CSTAR - 9 January 2010

More of the “let’s pretend” charade, that there is a political process which requires ideas, debate and negotiation strategy. Bread and circus. Except there’s less and less bread and more and more circus.

marisacat - 9 January 2010

there’s less and less bread and more and more circus.

I think we are well into “Feed the People!” bottom of the barrel. There was an article out here this week that the numbers of people who ONLY have Food Stamps as their sole source of ”income” is growing.

2. mattes - 9 January 2010

Connection between Gaza carnage and CIA bomber:

NY T link

While hawkish supporters of Israel in the U.S. often urge us to “let Israel decide on Israel’s security needs,” this story is yet another reminder that Israel’s actions do not have consequences for Israel alone. It is depressing to think about how many Muslims are being turned against the U.S. at this very moment by the belief (a correct belief, as it happens) that the Obama administration is complicit in the siege of Gaza.

ips.org link

mattes - 9 January 2010

This is the link:

He [Balawi’s brother] described Mr. Balawi as a “very good brother” and a “brilliant doctor,” saying that the family knew nothing of Mr. Balawi’s writings under a pseudonym on jihadi Web sites. He said, however, that his brother had been “changed” by last year’s three-week-long Israeli offensive in Gaza, which killed about 1,300 Palestinians.

The brother said that Mr. Balawi was arrested by the Jordanian authorities after volunteering with medical organizations to treat wounded Palestinians in Gaza. The family is itself of Palestinian origin, from a tribe in the Beersheba region.

marisacat - 9 January 2010

The UK Times article I link to below, mentions that he worked in a clinic at a Palestinian camp near Zarqa in Jordan.

Of course all of this ties back to our relationship with Israel, among other things. Not that we will be changing anything.

mattes - 10 January 2010

I see Lieberman and McCain are in Jerusalem today. Not one mention of the bomber’s tie to Gaza carnage.
Joe with a big smurk on his face the whole time.

marisacat - 10 January 2010

Well, there is no impediment to waht Israel wants. None at all.

3. catnip - 9 January 2010

Harry Reid apologizes for “light skinned” remark about Obama

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) apologized today for referring to President Barack Obama as “light skinned” and “with no Negro dialect” in private conversations during the 2008 presidential campaign.

“I deeply regret using such a poor choice of words,” said Reid in a statement. “I sincerely apologize for offending any and all Americans, especially African Americans for my improper comments.”

President Obama said in a statement that he and Reid had spoken about the matter on Saturday afternoon. “I accepted Harry’s apology without question because I’ve known him for years, I’ve seen the passionate leadership he’s shown on issues of social justice and I know what’s in his heart,” said Obama. “As far as I am concerned, the book is closed.”

The Senate Majority Leader was officially neutral in the primary fight between Obama and then Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.). Reid’s remarks about Obama were revealed in “Game Change”, a book detailing the 2008 race penned by Time’s Mark Halperin and New York magazine’s John Heilemann.

BooHooHooMan - 9 January 2010


And the son and grandson of PACCOM retainers accepts apology on behalf of Neeegroes everywhere….

What a show….

marisacat - 9 January 2010

LOL Evening news went with the Reid story…

Ah well more revelations perhaps tomorrow night when they will be on 60 Minuters.

BooHooHooMan - 9 January 2010

…Cillizza ….tool that he is..
neatly leaves out the account itself – which is even more politically damaging as it reveals the slippery racial pandering game for what it is- Heilemann and Halperins full passage is quoted by Ambinder –

[Reid’s] encouragement of Obama was unequivocal. He was wowed by Obama’s oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama — a “light-skinned” African American “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one,” as he said privately.

Reid was convinced, in fact, that Obama’s race would help him more than hurt him in a bid for the Democratic nomination.

…Cillizza did provide a link to “the details which were reported…” but did not quote it in WaPo, then segued into a standard line of Poor Harry, his polls , etc, and ..0f course –
Obama’s “beneficence”…..

No one is asking the Big Why as to WHY Reid thought Ob’s Race would “sell” let alone draw attention to the Sale itself…
No, that is to be quickly swept aside .
…As it is something well beyond concerns for locking in AA’s, POC, or mobilizing younger voters..like they have ever given a shit …plenty of tools still available there…

No, the “Big Why Barack Why” is to be left unexamined.

Lest we confront the fact that the young brotha was sold to whites along the lines of some weird Jack / Malcom/
Martin and Bobby / War Weary cathartic mashup….

Thus, Enter the “Magic Negro” . The type of archetypical character Spike Lee described as seen so often in film production: Servile , comforting, loyal and bland:
meant for whites.

Limbaugh- loathesome toad he is –
was absolutely right about that…

marisacat - 9 January 2010

Ithink he had a secondary job (within the Dem party)…

I think the Dems have been worried, on some levle about outreac from R to blacks, hell plenty of them are conservatives… religious. Authoritarian, etc.

And I think Ohio in 2004 scared the Dems, think the R worked a 3- 4 % gain in black voters wit the anti gay bill on the ballot (and other things I am sure).


Willi Brown out here has said fr years that Big Money black wallets were shut to Dems in the quadrennial party runs, the big one. Not any more from what I hear.

They opened for Ob… AND the party.

Now how long all of that lives, we shall see

I think the pundit slash and kill class has more on offer, more to come. THIS book hits at party big names … and if I am reading day one of public revelations right, leaves Obs alone, pretty much.

It won’t alst.

marisacat - 9 January 2010

Wll Limbaugh built off the LAT op ed piece from David Ehrenstein, “Magical Negro” iirc it was called, from summer 2007.

DE is black white Jewish and a few other things…. a long time denizen of LA NY Paris…

4. catnip - 9 January 2010

The hits just keep on coming…

One of the enduring mysteries of the 2008 campaign was what got Ted Kennedy so mad at Bill Clinton. The former president’s entreaties, at some point, backfired, and the explanation has never quite emerged.

I’ve finally gotten my hands on a copy of Game Change, in which John Heliemann and Mark Halperin report:

[A]s Hillary bungled Caroline, Bill’s handling of Ted was even worse. The day after Iowa, he phoned Kennedy and pressed for an endorsement, making the case for his wife. But Bill then went on, belittling Obama in a manner that deeply offended Kennedy. Recounting the conversation later to a friend, Teddy fumed that Clinton had said, A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.

marisacat - 9 January 2010

hmm I have to say I believed a version I heard of what set Teddy off (which s not to say Big Dems are not racist or just dumb in what they say, quel news). More politically interesting than these stories that seem to b laong the lines that All Racism is Only About Obama…

I had heard that when she said in NH that Johnson had been responsible for Cvil Rights, forget all the sturm and drang around reported issues wih what she said, but TK hit the ceiling: ONLY JFK belongs on those walls wtih Lincoln and MLK depictions.

I am sure Bill and Hill said politically unwise things pivately, and maybe to Kennedy… all so very possible.

I’d also love to know what Teddy said privately over the years. Ugly I am sure.

catnip - 9 January 2010

I didn’t see Bill’s comment as being necessarily racist anyway. For all we know, he meant that Obama was young and lacking political experience i.e. a few years ago he would have been an aide bringing them coffee. But, of course, he’ll be thrown to the wall while a lot of so-called progressives are already very busy forgiving Harry.

(Not that Clinton might not have meant that in a racist way but so-called progressives will definitely be much more forgiving of Harry because they think they need him – for some bizarre reason that has to do with twisted loyalty since he’s their leader.)

marisacat - 9 January 2010

Yes there is already conservative commentary around that Ob needs Harry for … oh whatever it is he does.

A mystery to me……….. 😉

BooHooHooMan - 9 January 2010

Oh I think Bill’s a racist all right…
I think it’s something he, like all the rest of them, uses like a currency: easily traded, convertible, sold short, etc…
All sorts of off market manipulation that , to protect the various market makers, they have to keep concealed …

Other than it’s monetary equivalent , racial and ethnic identity politics is the base exchange of politics here…

But the Black /White – sideshow IMO until they do something about Pri$on Complex incarceration rates — it’s a bullshit Retro Invitation which shields other, more lethal divides …and divisors…..Just my opinion..

marisacat - 9 January 2010

But the Black /White – sideshow IMO until they do something about Pri$on Complex incarceration rates — it’s a bullshit Retro Invitation which shields other, more lethal divides …and divisors…..Just my opinion..

oh I agree with all f that. And nothing will be happening about the incarceration issues.

I particularly noted when I plowed thru reams (of what is online) about CCA, Corrections Corporation of America, a successor to Whakenhut prisons…. that Thurgood Marshall III serves on its board – a hideous organisation that is International… and owns prisons in S America as well. And its base (not so much of prisons but of leadership and aligned industrial heads) is firmly entrenched in the South, Tenn in particular.

I have heard that Barbara Bush, who has a ton of her own money… is a significant part owner of CCA. I could nver find anthing online, other than some LLCs that own chunks.

But Thurgood Marshall’s son?

Oh it fit right in with my FUCK THEM ALL attitude.

BooHooHooMan - 9 January 2010

that Clinton had said, A few years ago, this guy [Obama] would have been getting us coffee.

And in short order…HE WAS! 😆

Oh Bill…so premature…

marisacat - 9 January 2010

Sorry ti took a whie to get you out of Spam (I was making tea in the kitchen)

5. catnip - 9 January 2010
marisacat - 9 January 2010

I’m on page SIX of the 10 pages in the NY Mag, all on te Edwards… so juicy.

Frankly the book smells of a hit job (fine with me)…

Roger Altman picked up the phone in his 38th-floor office on the East Side of New York and found Edwards on the line. Altman, a former deputy Treasury secretary under Bill Clinton and a supporter of Hillary’s, was chairman of the investment group Evercore Partners. Since 1999, Evercore had owned a stake in American Media, the publisher of the National Enquirer—and it was that connection which prompted the call that day in the first week of October

hmm I’ve read the “stake” was a 50% ownership share.


Read more: An Excerpt From John Heilemann and Mark Halperin’s ‘Game Change: Obama and the Clintons, McCain and Palin, and the Race of a Lifetime’ — New York Magazine


marisacat - 9 January 2010

Ha.. ahahahahahah … true to form. Luv the picture painted of them all pointing fingers. What else is new:

This kind of tawdriness was something the Clintons would be involved in, she wrote, but not the Edwardses.

NY Mag

BooHooHooMan - 9 January 2010

Frankly the book smells of a hit job (fine with me)…
– mcat

😆 I love it. LOL. Too funny!

catnip - 9 January 2010

Some boneheads are all over the authors of the book at dkos because they’ve only read the snippets about the Dems so far – not realizing there’s fodder in there about McCain/Palin too.


Btw, Krugman has been rehabilitated over there now since he’s in favour of the excise tax. Yay. Good centrist.

marisacat - 9 January 2010

It’s theDemocratic stuff that will get the biggest play. They’re on the hotseat…

And the Palin stuff to keep some Dem sites happy.

BooHooHooMan - 9 January 2010

Catnip – thanks for all your posts tonight.
I’ve been thoroughly enjoying reading the links.

catnip - 9 January 2010

You’re welcome!

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 January 2010
marisacat - 9 January 2010

oh that is really frightening. luved the comments.

Madman in the Marketplace - 9 January 2010

pushing annuities, that’s just beyond wrong …

marisacat - 9 January 2010

These people are thieves ad robbers

7. marisacat - 9 January 2010

Uk Times touches on something not mentioned this side of the pond

[H]unting down Osama Bin Laden has recently been given new urgency by President Barack Obama, anxious for some kind of victory that would enable him to pull out troops from Afghanistan. [not buying that last bit! but new urgency, oh yeah – Mcat]

Now, eight years after losing the trail in the mountains of Tora Bora, it suddenly seemed that US intelligence workers had got the piece of luck they had been praying for.

The CIA deputy country director had flown in from Kabul, CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, was alerted and the White House was on notice to expect a call.

The mother of three — the agency chief at Chapman — had spent the past 14 years of her life tracking Bin Laden and this was the moment she had been waiting for. An original member of Alec Station, the CIA team dedicated to hunting the Al-Qaeda leader, she had an “encyclopaedic knowledge” of Al-Qaeda, according to colleagues. ….

Well maybe she did. Maybe not.

Times has more:

[A]stonishingly, in a region where it is the norm to be screened entering any hotel or public building and where even the president’s closest friends go through seven checks before being allowed in, the doctor was not once searched before entering.

One of the base’s security guards said: “I was warned before not to search or stop the car when it arrived.”

“They did not want any Afghans to see Balawi,” he said. A US army vehicle then led the car through the next two gates, reaching the inside of the base before stopping outside a block of buildings used by the CIA and military intelligence to debrief their sources.

As Balawi stepped out of the car, seven CIA officers and a handful of soldiers gathered around. According to the guard, it was then that Balawi detonated his bomb, killing eight and injuring six.

Arghawan, still sitting in the driver’s seat, survived the initial blast but a US soldier shot him in the head with his pistol, assuming that he was part of the bomb plot.

“There were lots of body parts,” said the guard. “The suicide bomber’s legs were all that was left of him. He had hidden the bomb beneath his pattu.” …

8. catnip - 9 January 2010

Teddy’s seat might go to a Repub? (entertainment in the comments too)

marisacat - 9 January 2010

Supposedly there is much buzz about Brown… and less so about Coakley.

Anything for any upset I say!

BooHooHooMan - 9 January 2010

You guys see where there is an “Indy” in the race?
Got on the ballot…

Guy’s name? Joe Kennedy…

But he/ the GOP/ whover is behind him has put a little more though into it than the old confusing name gimmick for a spoiler thing…

Despite the obvious RW leanings – mentions Tea Party–
NTIM IMO as the R TP types will go R, but it does give true Indies a place to go who might otherwise fall for the lesser of 2 Evilism and vote Dem….

Here’s how – because aside from the name gambit, it’s
Interesting how the guy is positioning himself
Anti Machine/ Tea Party/ no diff between the Donklephants / notes BOTH are for War

Well Played. He’s actually leveraging the curiousity and buzz about his name to make a carefully constructed pitch. And if If he pulls even half that this guy Dagget did here in the NJ Gov race, Coakley will LOSE.

If “Independent” “Joe Kennedy” — it is his real name – a Boston tech corridor functionary- CEO/consultant of one man “firm” ..if he pulls 3 or 4 % ..Coakly’s gonna be in trouble…

I think the Dems in their hubris might actually . finally ..get bit hard in Mass for taking their own constituencies there for granted…Welp. If Coakley loses in Massachusetts, this will be Blue State number 2 they got slapped down hard. I sure hope so.

It’ll be interesting to see if they risk Ob’s sipper cup of political juice with a campaign appearance…

marisacat - 9 January 2010

The ”Joe Kennedy” slot should siphon off a few votes. I had not read about that. SMART of the R or whomever it is.

9. BooHooHooMan - 9 January 2010

LOL… Talk about foreshadowing…

Edwards National Campaign Manager?

Nick Baldick

Not that the CM is typically as visible political directors, communications flaks or even field ops… but I forgot about him after Axelrod jumped. Then they had Kofinis out front all the time.. 🙄

But really. Never higher top staff with a name like Mymans Doinblow.

marisacat - 9 January 2010

Well then there is “Axelrod”.

I mean it sounds like a car part, in a porn movie.

BooHooHooMan - 9 January 2010


BooHooHooMan - 9 January 2010

The Boston Globe has a report tonight
… of the Mass Sen debate

Evidently Brown, the R, pulled his punch…at least from how the first few grafs read…

SPRINGFIELD – With just 10 days to go before the election, Republican Scott P. Brown unleashed some of his most pointed attacks of the abbreviated campaign for US Senate, accusing Democrat Martha Coakley yesterday of proposing more than $2 trillion in new taxes, of endangering the public by arguing that terrorism suspects should have civilian trials, and of saddling business with costly new environmental rules.

But, in an unusual turn of events, Brown also leapt to Coakley’s defense at one point, demanding that an outside group pull an ad attacking her.

So what happens now?
Does the The R in the MA Sen race goes out of his way to take a dive so the Dems can proceed as planned: going out of THEIR way to take the Big Whopping National Dive on the whole HCR thing?
Who knows? They will engineer that HCR vote either way…
But what vaudeville. But Jeezis.

If it remains close…PPP has Coakley DOWN by 1 now…if this guy Brown tanks in the last ten days…
– In this ” “throw em out” climate? He sure as hell shouldn’t shouldn’t…But if he does… or that “Indy” pulls significantly higher with a big spike on election day..
— > it will be because the R backed off came to the D’s aid to let the National D’s do the HC scam…(fine by the GOP truly) –
and a sorry ass something the DP must get done now… so that even the dumbest of contributing dumbfucks in the base won’t see all their naive efforts for what they are: naught..

marisacat - 10 January 2010

I think iirc that Rasmussen (oh bad Republican pollster! Bad! Bad!) has the spread wider than PPP.


oops PS… think I am remembering the spread in independent voters within likely voters, with Rasmussen. Sorry! (but the spread was big!)

10. BooHooHooMan - 9 January 2010

Good Lord

(okay I’m done after this)

The staff persuaded Elizabeth that posting the item would do more harm than good. But she was livid about what she saw as the campaign’s feeble response to the story. After pulling herself together, she and John set off for the private aviation terminal at the airport—but partway there, their car pulled over, and John hopped out and jumped into the staff car, saying in an exasperated tone, “I can’t ride with her.”

At the terminal, the couple fought in the passenger waiting area. They fought outside in the parking lot. Elizabeth was sobbing, out of control, incoherent. As their aides tried to avert their eyes, she tore off her blouse, exposing herself. “Look at me!” she wailed at John and then staggered, nearly falling to the ground.

😯 😯

LOL. Gaaaahd~ Dammmmm. A shame they weren’t elected.
They’d ‘a been a riot in the White House.

Okay I’m done. Way too much fun tonight.

marisacat - 10 January 2010

Quite a story isn’t it? The Dems have the really long knives out for the Edwardses.

11. marisacat - 9 January 2010

The book that gveth…………………

The relationship between Barack Obama and Joe Biden grew so strained during the 2008 campaign, according to a new book, that the two rarely spoke and aides not only kept Biden off internal conference calls but refused to even tell him they existed.

Instead, a separate campaign call was regularly scheduled between the then-Delaware senator and two of Obama’s top campaign aides – “so that they could keep a tight rein on him,” write journalists Mark Halperin and John Heilemann in “Game Change,” a long-awaited account of the 2008 campaign.

The book, based on over 300 interviews, reveals a series of previously undisclosed stories about the epic race. POLITICO obtained it Saturday at a Washington bookstore.

In addition to the discord between the president and vice-president, the authors write: ….

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31302.html#ixzz0cC2djPNl

marisacat - 10 January 2010

and giveth and giveth:

January 09, 2010

Categories:Al Sharpton.

Sharpton backs Reid

Another unsolicited statement, as Reid’s camp works frantically to put out the fire:

I have learned of certain unfortunate comments made by Senator Reid regarding President Barack Obama and have spoken with Senator Reid about those comments. While there is no question that Senator Reid did not select the best word choice in this instance, these comments should not distract America from its continued focus on securing healthcare or creating jobs for its people. Nor should they detract from the unquestionable leadership role Senator Reid has played on these issues or in the area of civil rights. Senator Reid’s door has always been open on hearing from the civil rights community on these issues and I look forward to continue to work with Senator Reid wherever possible to improve the lives of Americans everywhere.

Posted by Ben Smith 04:46 PM

Well shorter version: the Democratic party owns my ass… and I sold it to them, we have a on-going situation….

Geesh. Same old same old.

Madman in the Marketplace - 10 January 2010

Funny fight on Stephie this morning … Liz Cheney arguing with George Will over whether Harry was a racist.

marisacat - 10 January 2010

I have it on, but they are not yet to Reid issue… lvoe how Reid got the biggest bucket of slop…

LOL Til or course the Righties get their own copies and start reading.

12. marisacat - 10 January 2010

New post:


…………. 🙄 ……………..

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