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Mid-week 20 January 2010

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

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1. marisacat - 20 January 2010

NTIM of course, but I did catch today that Barney Frank wandered back onto the trad Dem reservation. Such as it is.

In the meantime I guess he managed to extrude a needed headline, from his initial statement… I read that his home district split straight down the line, between Moakley and Brown.



2. ts - 20 January 2010

So exactly what pieces of the health care plan will be left after we get “bipartisan consensus”? You boil down crap you just get more concentrated crap.

Republicans are calling for a do-over anyway.

ts - 20 January 2010

If I could backpedal like that I’d play cornerback for the Ravens.

marisacat - 20 January 2010

Well I just heard Lyn Woolsey a so called Dem progressive from Marin Co… on local talk radio…and she sounded out of it. To put it mildly.

I get the impression some Dems think that because the R began to adopt a “Save Medicare” rally cry that the House could try to extend Medicar coverage or try to enact some straight ins reform.

Poor Dems. They just can’t even scope it out.

California outlawed denial of coverage in the case of pre existing conditions some years ago, the ins cos just find other ways to accomplish what they want.

ts - 20 January 2010

Oh, and on a personal note, I was just socked with a $300 doctor’s bill for being assigned a non-Blue-Cross-PPO provider in the emergency room!. Ain’t this system great!

marisacat - 20 January 2010

Well if you have the energy, tht would be one I’d fight.

ts - 20 January 2010

Definitely I am, though OPM (this is a Federal Gov’t plan, mind you), tells me Blue Cross billed it correctly and there’s nothing I can do. Next stops, the CA insurance commission, the union, consumer protection agency, Fox News…

marisacat - 20 January 2010

good !!

3. ts - 20 January 2010

Oh NOES! They’ve lost Paul Krugman!

“But I have to say, I’m pretty close to giving up on Mr. Obama, who seems determined to confirm every doubt I and others ever had about whether he was ready to fight for what his supporters believed in.”

marisacat - 20 January 2010

Well he spent months shoring him up. And making little sense. Once he dropped his mild criticisms…

I don’t even see any skid marks… Poor krugman. One more hack. In the Hack-a-thon we live in…

catnip - 20 January 2010

Oh – now he’s BACK on the dkos shit list. Poor Paul.

marisacat - 20 January 2010

So many “band wagons” to get on, then down off… then back up…

I am just so relieved to be nothing more than an observer.

marisacat - 20 January 2010

I scammed this from a comment thread at IOZ.. (he has 4 up on Brown, def enjoying himself!):

“Blegh, no one is talking about giving up. Where did that idea come from? We’re just pointing out that the Democrats themselves are acting like babies. It’s not the bloggers that are.”

That is Ms Marcotte… from Pandreadful.

ts - 20 January 2010

I’m sure they haven’t given up trying to get Gore the presidency, either. They certainly haven’t stopped blaming Nader.

Just imagine if that independent candidate had won more votes than the winning margin. Oh, I would have loved to witness THAT apoplexy. Especially since his name was Joe Kennedy. Heads would have exploded, youbetcha.

4. catnip - 20 January 2010

Maher Arar has launched a new online magazine: PRISM

catnip - 20 January 2010

Forgot to link to an article about the launch.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2010
CSTAR - 20 January 2010

No Turbotax defense allowed.

6. catnip - 20 January 2010

There’s tone deaf and then there’s brain dead:

Obama urges Dems not to ‘jam’ health care past GOP

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama advised fellow Democrats against trying to jam a health care bill through Congress after taking a devastating hit from the loss of a Senate seat. He said Wednesday it’s time to come together around a bill that can draw Republican support, too.

Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2010

well, you knew that was coming.

marisacat - 20 January 2010

i though t he looked relieved in his mini gab with wee steph

marisacat - 20 January 2010

former potus in full slobber, not satire either:

[P]aul Krugman — I don’t always agree with him, but he is unfailingly good. David Brooks has been very good. Tom Friedman is our most gifted journalist at actually looking at what is happening in the world and figuring out its relevance to tomorrow and figuring out a clever way to say it that sticks in your mind-like “real men raise the gas tax.” You know what I mean?… They are thinking about how the world works and how it might be at the same time. At this moment in history, we need people who have a unique understanding of both how the world works and how it might be better, might be more harmonious.” …

marisacat - 20 January 2010

btw… smbiva links to the actual interview with bill…. not made it there yet… full stomach… etc.

ts - 20 January 2010

He understands what Tom Friedman is saying? He must be “not inhaling” again.

It’s kind of like a mothball in a swimming pool, you understand. You gotta get that first down and run it up the flagpole.

marisacat - 20 January 2010

he’s even funnier on the GWOT.

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2010

New Orleans cops use ancient “unnatural copulation” law to turn prostitutes into sex-offenders

Of the 861 sex offenders currently registered in New Orleans, 483 were convicted of a crime against nature, according to Doug Cain, a spokesperson with the Louisiana State Police. And of those convicted of a crime against nature, 78 percent are Black and almost all are women.

The law impacts sex workers in both small and large ways.

Tabitha has to register an address in the sex offender database, and because she doesn’t have a permanent home, she has registered the address of a nonprofit organization that is helping her. She also has to purchase and mail postcards with her picture to everyone in the neighborhood informing them of her conviction. If she needs to evacuate to a shelter during a hurricane, she must evacuate to a special shelter for sex offenders, and this shelter has no separate safe spaces for women. She is even prohibited from very ordinary activities in New Orleans like wearing a costume at Mardi Gras.

marisacat - 20 January 2010

cutting off cash income – aside from everything else

8. BooHooHooMan - 20 January 2010

Without cable here,
so I’m catching post mortem clips online..
The segment with Joan Walsh on Matthews tonite is worth a look..

Matthews tried to frame it as if Ob “went too far” left..
JW went all GMAFB on his ass. LOL…
“Obama has simply not lead”

Laid Coakley’s loss on Ob and his abdication..
She didn’t excuse Coakley entirely , but again… was all GMAFB.

Had a nice dig at Axelrod before time was called on the seg…

Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2010

Olbermann was pushing some poll that indicated that a lot of people stayed home b/c the donks were wimps and didn’t fight hard enough for more.

Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2010

for what little it’s worth.

ts - 20 January 2010

It’s gonna be that way in November too. Get used to it, Dems. It’s their strategy to get the majority of Americans not to vote, but now there’s not enough of what’s left.

marisacat - 20 January 2010

well sumpin’ happened in Boston…. the vote was way down.

It was also noted there not a single “Kennedy” at her concession speech.

And inevitably there are gonna be some drop outs. … even f plenty slog back to the voting booth for more abuse.

BooHooHooMan - 20 January 2010

IOZ is a scream today.. 😀
He is now up to PART lV in a series:

Scott Brown Day, a Continuing Celebration

Oh! AND he has a CONTEST!


In light of today’s hilarious and wonderful MA election results, I command you, you fags and fagettes, to go forth into The Internet and return with the best and most preposterous Donk rearguard blog action. Post ’em to comments. I will be handing out blogroll additions, top-post shouts, and various and sundry other awards, praises, and commendations for your efforts.
Gintilmin! Start! Yer. Ngiiiinnnnzzz!

ts - 20 January 2010

Apart from being a Steeler fan, he’s all right.

marisacat - 20 January 2010

I loved the commentary he picked out, from Star Gazer Arnstrong… Ezra Klein… and oh a couple of others…

Very very funny.

Sad to say some of the most tedious humps in BlahgSnogland.. ahve made it into the bigger print media (ntim). I notice that Natasha Chart who thinks marrying Chris Bowers is … part of some kind of prog ladder? appears in the Guardian… and a really formless ”thinker” from Jack and Jill Politics is in the fucking Independent… just read that one today.

Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2010

I found the poll Olbermann was referencing. It was commissioned by MoveOn:


by 3 to 2 among Obama voters who voted for Brown
by 6 to 1 among Obama voters who stayed home

(18% of Obama supporters who voted supported Brown.)

82% of Obama voters who voted for Brown
86% of Obama voters who stayed home

57% of Brown voters say Obama “not delivering enough” on change he promised
49% to 37% among voters who stayed home

PLUS: Obama voters overwhelming want bold economic populism from Democrats in 2010.


9. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2010

Obama Confidant’s Spine-Chilling Proposal to ‘Cognitively Infiltrate’ Conspiracy Theorist Groups

Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama’s closest confidants. Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama’s head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for “overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs.” In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-“independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites — as well as other activist groups — which advocate views that Sunstein deems “false conspiracy theories” about the government. This would be designed to increase citizens’ faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper’s abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.

Sunstein advocates that the Government’s stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups.” He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called “independent” credible voices to bolster the Government’s messaging (on the ground that those who don’t believe government sources will be more inclined to listen to those who appear independent while secretly acting on behalf of the Government). This program would target those advocating false “conspiracy theories,” which they define to mean: “an attempt to explain an event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role.”

marisacat - 20 January 2010

Not all “masters of the universe” hang out on Wall St, or so I gather……….

I read one article that seemed to indicate this idea of Sunstein’s goes back aways. Or borrowed from the Israelis.. and others I am sure.

This group has made it really clear they hate any criticism at all… any. I suspect they’d be going after all sorts of “conspiracy”. And free speech.

surely it is already happening?

Madman in the Marketplace - 20 January 2010

I’d be surprised if it wasn’t, which I guess makes me one of those dangerous people Sunstein is so worried about.

I love that people think these clowns are on their side.

marisacat - 20 January 2010

How many more times do we have to read that Obama is



means to do the right thing


marisacat - 20 January 2010

Speaking of “conspriacy” theories.. I read dthat Orly Tait, head birther, has amazing access to Israeli tv… she is on it a lot.

So maybe Sunstein and Ob need to send a team over there.

BooHooHooMan - 20 January 2010

I’d weigh in on this topic but the Jewish intelligentsia hasn’t told me what I should think… 😆

I think the problem the eavesdropping Elites of all stripes are having is not* (qualification coming) that they have way too much information- (*tho they do) – it’s that the now long since cliched
info overload/ need to target better amidst a sea of benign chatter paradigm is giving way to a sheer volume of plebeian hostility they can’t handle…

IMO They are butting up against a few things, for one, the unintended consequences after atomizing dissident groups for years…It’s not like the Next Scary Big Thing has a sub group blogging on DK or Facebooking their pals about it.
..Not the Next Scary Big Thingers.
And truth be told they aren’t even looking for the berzerkers like the flamethrower Santa, the whack in Virginia who took down 8 in his town the other day. The PTB could care less. Atomixation and isolation is Good Fer Ya, all the better to keep it away from the clubhouse door.

Now Tis true, the signal to noise ratio weighs against resistors, but thanks to the Flat Earth , fad based consumer culture they pushed, they are more vulnerable than in ,say , an era of the Big Three Networks to the unseemly* agitating influence of Culture Jammers that shows, if only for an exemplary moment in Youtube spectacles, the breeches giving way as it were. So I think the point holds if the irrelevant to politics Addidas do not.

Still, The crux for the PTB is this:
Being The Having Stolen from Everybody Dataminers They Are,
they’re sitting on millions of Echelon trapped phone calls and emails with scads of people saying “Why some one should just ….” followed by no-no words easily read by their speech recognition software…

And now,
They’re thinking everybody from Uncle Earl to Aunt Flo are suspect.
And the deal is become increasingly this: Perhaps they ARE. 😯

10. catnip - 20 January 2010

Wreck list popcorn fest: Don’t Call Me A Progressive

ts - 20 January 2010

Lordy, the histrionics. This is kind of like when Mike Kelly called pacifists the source of all the evil in the world.

Then he fell off a tank.

marisacat - 20 January 2010

Then he fell off a tank.

Honestly that WAS pretty funny… I am sorry that Atrios wiped thread after thread of commentary. David E saved a couple that were extraordinarily well informed and wonderful.

I have not made it to he Dkos thread yet… but my!, the tongue lashings around for liberal left. So very funny! Then again this is a world that calls Schumer “liberal”.

What I would give for some inspired and vicious satire about in the land. Instead we have lumpling poltical “commentary”.

Double Gah….

11. BooHooHooMan - 21 January 2010

Israel ‘needs West Bank presence’
Netanyahu said Israeli presence is needed to prevent rockets attacks from Gaza and Lebanon [AFP]

The Israeli prime minister has said that Israeli security forces must be allowed to operate inside any future Palestinian state.

Netanyahu is a piece of shit parasite on Humanity.

marisacat - 21 January 2010

Peace and Joy!

JERUSALEM — The American editor of a Palestinian news agency was removed from Israel on Wednesday after being questioned by authorities about his “anti-Israeli” views.

The case highlights what some nonprofit organizations say is a tightened Israeli policy toward foreign nationals who live or work in the occupied West Bank. It comes amid an intensifying feud over foreign government funding for organizations seen to promote Palestinian interests even as Israeli politicians and nongovernmental organizations try to curb the flow of money from outside.

marisacat - 21 January 2010

Fisk sys Hizbollah and Israel are gearing up for war. Geesh what else.

[Y]ou can see the way everyone is thinking. And here’s the big question, the camel in the room. If Israel ignores Obama and attacks Iran’s nuclear sites – a real aggression if ever there could be – the Hizbollah could fire rockets into Israel, perhaps even revealing its new anti-aircraft missile capacity. Hamas might join in from Gaza. Hamas is a tin-pot outfit; the Hizbollah is not. An Israeli attack on Iran will unleash Iranian military power against America. But part of that power is Hizbollah in Lebanon. This is serious business.

Over Christmas, a parcel “from a foreign country” was delivered to three Hamas officials in Beirut and blew up, killing all of them. Last week, a bomb exploded in a building in southern Lebanon owned by two Hizbollah officials, wounding three children. One of them, 11-year-old Diana Zreik, had her left leg amputated. It looks like a glance at the past, to the 1970s, when Israel posted letter-bombs to its enemies in Lebanon.

The United Nations has been complaining at the increase in Israel’s overflights of Lebanese territory. The Lebanese army has been opening fire on Israeli aircraft flying over the border – useless, of course, because the Americans don’t give the Lebanese army weapons that can hurt Israel – while US Senator John McCain has dropped by in Beirut to complain about the Hizbollah’s weapons which, under UN Security Council Resolution 1701, are supposed to be in the hands of the Lebanese army. This is the same resolution that should prevent Israeli overflights. …


12. marisacat - 21 January 2010

So cute! Working the headlines to pander to the wee lefties! AND I saw Axelrod met today (Wednesday) at the WH with Elizabeth Warren. Dangling out…………. HOPE!! (What else? 😆 )

An Obama Reboot? President Proposes Volcker’s Glass-Steagall Redux

Reuters – ‎18 minutes ago‎

Sure to dominate the media cycle today is the Obama Administration’s surprise announcement of what some observers are already calling Glass-Steagall II, after the late, oft-lamented law that separated investment and commercial banking activity, …

Obviously the admin is buying lots of Arpege. Promises promises.

marisacat - 21 January 2010

Father of the Year!! Again!

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

John Edwards Admits Paternity: ‘I Am Quinn’s Father’ [7:13 a.m. ET]

For more on this and other breaking news go to ABCNews.com: http://abcnews.go.com?nwltr=bn

catnip - 21 January 2010

I read this this morning via Politico:

“I am Quinn’s father. I will do everything in my power to provide her with the love and support she deserves. It was wrong for me ever to deny she was my daughter.”


Was there a pending lawsuit or something? Maybe Elizabeth threatened to leave him?

marisacat - 21 January 2010

FOX news says they have separaed.. according ot “friends”.


catnip - 21 January 2010

Well, there you go.

13. ts - 21 January 2010

Mrs. Marcotte wins the IOZ contest by calling swing voters fu***** idiots.

14. catnip - 21 January 2010

WaPo: Pelosi rejects Senate version of health-care bill

Speaker of the House says she does not have enough votes to pass the Senate version of the health-care bill, leaving President Obama’s most important domestic agenda item in grave jeopardy.

How dramatic – especially since the Blessed One is ready to work with Republicans (as he noted yesterday) anyway. cough cough…

15. catnip - 21 January 2010

So, I’m watching news about the aftershock in Haiti and they’re showing US helicopters landing on the rather pristine grounds of the presidential palace. Yet, since last week, I’ve watched online apologists for the US military and Obamalama’s administration claim that heli air drops couldn’t be done because there’d be rioting or [insert another lame excuse here]. Funny that they can fly troops in – but not food and water – since there’s obviously more than enough room on those grounds to set up some sort of controlled distribution point for aid that would be dropped in.

marisacat - 21 January 2010

Don’t worry! Edwards is in haiti. All will be fine.

catnip - 21 January 2010

He should save some orphans. That sure got Rendell a lot of face time on the cable shows.

marisacat - 21 January 2010

the UK at least had some articles on how we (and other countries) bent the restricitions on adoption and some of the issues around the legality of foreign adotptions… I am nto saying we should nto help… but …..

AND I read that we arranged for a fuller relaxation of who may treat… obviously aid docs who go around the wrld need to be able to step in and do whatever is needed, but it, the relaxation, is one reason we are seeing all the TV/cable docs inserting themselves into the stories.

16. wu ming - 21 January 2010

SCOTUS rules corporate speech must not be “chilled” by mean ol’ campaign finance laws. knew it was coming, but it doesn’t make it suck any less.

marisacat - 21 January 2010

Gee maybe Feingold and McCain will say something of interest?

One can hope…but keep breathing!!

I heard Kennedy wrote the opinion…….

wu ming - 21 January 2010

here’s the text: SCOTUS decision. just awful. stevens is pretty pissed.

marisacat - 21 January 2010

And we all know Schumer ONLY takes small donations from individuals……………….Right?

This activist and far reaching decision is even worse than we had feared. This opens the floodgates and allows special interest money to overflow our elections and undermine our democracy. The bottom line is, the Supreme Court has just predetermined the winners of next November’s election. It won’t be the Republican or the Democrats and it won’t be the American people; it will be Corporate America.

Riding at the top of Ben Smith, at the moment…

catnip - 21 January 2010

It won’t be the Republican or the Democrats and it won’t be the American people; it will be Corporate America.

That’s news?

17. marisacat - 21 January 2010

hmm i never thought he was all that golden tongued.. unless one was naive and ignorant of great political speech… HOWEVER he utterly cedes his manna from heaven aspect.

It’s pretty abject. What now? They ran, day after day, on his being manna from heaven.

January 21, 2010

Categories:Barack Obama.

Not persuasive

Another moment of self-awareness in the Klein interview: Discussing the Middle East, Obama acknowledges that the administration overestimated his own power to persuade:

I think that we overestimated our ability to persuade them to do so when their politics ran contrary to that. From Abbas’ perspective, he’s got Hamas looking over his shoulder and I think an environment generally within the Arab world that feels impatient with any process.

And on the Israeli front, although the Israelis I think after a lot of time showed a willingness to make some modifications in their policies, still found it very hard to move with any bold gestures. And so what we’re going to have to do—I think it is absolutely true that what we did this year didn’t produce the kind of breakthrough that we wanted and if we had anticipated some of these political problems on both sides earlier, we might not have raised expectations as high.

That persuasive power, and the notion of Obama himself as game-changer, was part of his promise, but foreign policy has turned out to be less susceptible to personality than many had hoped.

Posted by Ben Smith 08:59 AM

catnip - 21 January 2010

if we had anticipated some of these political problems on both sides earlier, we might not have raised expectations as high.

No one could have anticipated the breech of the levees.

18. catnip - 21 January 2010

The hilarity continues. The first link is a hoot.

marisacat - 21 January 2010

well I am a proud slouch. It’s about all that is left to say.

”Why I am a Proud Progessive”. geesh I see Dkos is a useless as ever. More school assignments from the monitors.

BooHooHooMan - 21 January 2010

Would you like it in a can?
Would you like it with some spam?

Put the Pressure White House, Senate
by mcjoan
Thu Jan 21, 2010 at 12:52:04 PM PST

<b?If there's a strong urgency of "now" behind health care reform, the pressure needs not to be on the House, but on the White House and Senate.

AGAIN??!! 😯

Consider this from Josh Marshall……

No, please, no, Joan, Baby, please– > Baby, I’m beggin ya..

marisacat - 21 January 2010

I am too busy with the Feets to the Fire routine. I can’t be interrupted!

BooHooHooMan - 21 January 2010

LOL, Oh but Dr. Seuss is such a helpful guide, now..

IF you read them in your house,
Have a Hanky for your blouse.

SEE the Wreck upon their train?
Save us! Save us! Girls from Maine!

marisacat - 21 January 2010

gah.. so right.. our eggs have turned green!

CSTAR - 21 January 2010

Proud Progressive… sounds like Porky Pig (did I get the cartoon character right?)

19. marisacat - 21 January 2010

Ginsberg the R elections atty at Boggs Squeak and Moan… has put out a memo to clients on the SCOTUS ruling on campaign corp monies.

Works for me, break this mess open. Even in a horrible way.. soemthing interesting may happen.

Political Parties: Unless the laws change, the political party as we know it is threatened with extinction. The parties do several things for their candidates and supporters – raise money and conduct independent expenditures, conduct voter contact programs and describe the party’s position on issues, often through issue advocacy. With the limits on the amounts and sources of funds they can accept, the parties will be bit players compared to outside groups that can now conduct those core functions with unlimited funds from any source. …

20. marisacat - 21 January 2010

What to say? What is left to say? (via Sully who links to Reason)

21 Jan 2010 09:08 am

America Now

An all-white basketball league is poised to launch in 12 cities:

“Would you want to go to the game and worry about a player flipping you off or attacking you in the stands or grabbing their crotch?” [All-American Basketball Alliance commissioner Don “Moose” Lewis] said. “That’s the culture today, and in a free country we should have the right to move ourselves in a better direction.”

BooHooHooMan - 21 January 2010

just to let ya know, no embellishment here, except for the height, fireplug build, and, um,
the ballhandling, an inability to score,
and lack of an inside or outside game ..
I coulda been somebody.

LMAO. Ah but I left it all back then, and became more active in Democratic politics.. LOL. So there’s THAT.

21. BooHooHooMan - 21 January 2010

Well it’s Bumiller.. Who had an orgasm over Mission Accomplihed..
And whose hubby had an NYT day job as a Dual Alliance prospector in INDIA..

Pakistan Resists Call by U.S. to Root Out Militants

The Pakistani Army indicated it would not launch any new offensives against extremists for at least six months.

So Spring is in the Air…ushering in the drones of all sorts, EB included. I say strap her on to one.

marisacat - 21 January 2010

Spring Drones… a USA!! USA!! musical.

22. marisacat - 21 January 2010



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