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Weekend… 10 April 2010

Posted by marisacat in Divertissements, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

A late afternoon double rainbow appears above Port Susan near Stanwood, Washington State, USA
A late afternoon double rainbow appears above Port Susan near Stanwood, Washington State, USA   [AP]




1. marisacat - 10 April 2010

NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’: Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL); Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates; roundtable with New York Times columnist David Brooks, former Rep. Harold Ford (D-TN), Washington Post columnist Kathleen Parker and the New York Times’ David Sanger

–ABC’s ‘This Week’: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates; Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) and Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY); roundtable with ABC’s George Will, the Huffington Post’s Arianna Huffington, ABC’s Cokie Roberts and ABC’s Sam Donaldson

–CBS’s ‘Face the Nation’: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates; CBS’s Jan Crawford

–Fox’s ‘Fox News Sunday’: Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN); Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN); roundtable with the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol, NPR’s Mara Liasson, former Sate Department official Liz Cheney, and NPR’s Juan Williams [at least this one does not have Hillary! – Mcat]

–CNN’s ‘State of the Union’: RGA Chairman Gov. Haley Barbour (R-GA); actor Wendell Pierce and director David Simon from HBO’s Treme

–C-SPAN: ‘Newsmakers’ (10am ET / 6pm ET Sunday): Rep. Brad Sherman, questioned by McClatchy’s Margaret Talev and Roll Call’s Steven Dennis …‘The Communicators’ (6:30pm ET Saturday): Rep. Joe Barton (R-TX) … ‘Q&A’ (8pm ET & 11pm ET Sunday): Michael and Evan Gregory of ‘The Gregory Brothers Auto-Tune the News’

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 April 2010

I’m waiting for that nut Bill Donohue to explain away Kiesle by pointing out that since he tied up the children, and he was in the liberal SF area, that plainly he was influenced by all the BDSM perverts and leather daddies and so it wasn’t really pedophilia, but sexual deviance inspired by liberal SF.

marisacat - 10 April 2010

That seems a natural doesn’t it?

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 April 2010

Dear People Who Voted For Obama and Still Believe the Hype

2) I am not a racist. Well, everyone is a little bit racist, though i work really damn hard to overcome all that (not needing a cookie for that work, btw). I don’t dislike Obama because he is black. I dislike him because he’s a corporatist dillhole with a giant letter D after his name.

4)If the only pressure we, as individual citizens, can exert on the system is with our vote, then why do you keep giving that vote to people who don’t believe in the same values that you do? I know, winning seems important, but what you’re really showing is that your vote has no value. You will give it to someone who will work against your best interests, against your beliefs, as long as sometimes your party can come out on the winning side.

Didn’t you ever watch an 80’s teen flick? Did you not get the often used message that staying on the assholes side just because he’s a winner never makes you cool?

ms_xeno - 10 April 2010

Cross-posted to that thread:

I’ve given up explaining to the defenders that I could be a racist. A big, mean, evil, horrible racist, and yet this would in no way negate the fact that Obama is a rotten person who is doing terrible things in office.

The two ideas need not be mutually exclusive.

I’ve bailed on a number of boards because the “freeze-out” of criticizing the man is stifling and offensive to me. I didn’t take any loyalty oath to the Democratic Party when I expressed an interest in social justice movements. If that’s required, then fuck it. I don’t march.

marisacat - 10 April 2010

IMO Obama has various problems with various groups. I belong to a couple of the groups he has problems with. Some stripe of the Left (or, alternatively, left, small case! 🙄 ) and, female.

SO……….. it hardly matters what they call me.

He is exclusionary. AND punitive.

ms_xeno - 10 April 2010

There really needs to be a “debunkingObama” board, in homage to my erstwhile comrades at debunkingwhite. :p

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 April 2010

Student Loans Vs. Taxes

But I know a gazillion people with college debt that is crushing them and have no job to show for it. The amounts that they owe for an education that is not serving them is staggering. It may be the single shittiest investment ever. Maybe worse than handing over money to Bernie Madoff. I’m not saying college isn’t good and useful and people shouldn’t go. I’m saying that the way we pay for it stupid.

A quick google tells me ( and since I am not sure of the sources, I am not linking) that the average student loan debt is about $20k (not including all the fat interest the students will pay over the lifetime of the loan) and that over 100 BILLION dollars worth of federally backed loans are made every year for college.

This is where the Costco analogy for taxes comes in pretty fucking handy. Did you go to college, do you want to go to college, do you have children that you want to go to college? Then perhaps instead of paying full retail price plus all that fucking loan interest, you’d like to join our bulk buyers’ club. It’s called Taxes Pay for Really Good Shit for Much Cheaper than Market Rate.

Here’s how it works. You pay a little bit of your income out over the course of your lifetime, like those membership fees you pay at Costco only instead of Costco you write out a check every year to the IRS and lucky you, you already have a membership card. It’s that weird blue and white paper card that you’re not supposed to laminate. Yeah, that one. Then when you need it, right next to the 8 thousand pill bottle of Advil, is OHHHH AHHHHHHH Super Cheap or Nearly Free College!

And here’s the even cooler thing, it’s still there if you’re middle class and your kids don’t qualify for pell grants. It’s still there if you’re super poor and pell grants won’t pay for everything. It’s still there if you’re a brown kid in my old neighborhood considering walking into the Army office because you know your momma don’t have no way to pay for you to go to college when she’s still got 2 other babies at home. Ohhhhhhh Ahhhhhhhhhhhh.

Now this might make those of you who are middle class a little uncomfortable. I know, you put yourself through college by eating ramen noodles and taking out giant loans and dammit those poor brown kids could do the same if they just opened a book instead of playing basketball with their friends all the time./snark.

Look, if you still need to feel superior to poor/brown people, I am sure colleges will be more than happy to assist you with that through their admissions requirements. But dude, I have a fucking 3.8 gpa. And I can’t finish college. So suck it.

marisacat - 10 April 2010

As best I can determine, like Ins Co Reform, there is no change in the offiing with the School Loan Reform…. the government funds 80% of higher ed (they say) but under reform, they will still shovel most of that money, or a lot of it, to private for profit firms that then turn around and loan it to the kids…


I figure aside from a weak “the economy is rebounding!” which we are hearing already, we have some huge unavoidable crash due in a few years.

I also am hearing of mortgages being advertised as ”only needing 3.5% down”. [sigh]

Hardly know what to say anymore.

Madman in the Marketplace - 10 April 2010

it is remarkable how the same broken shit keeps being promoted, over and over again.

marisacat - 10 April 2010

It just goes on and on and on. And then more.

5. catnip - 10 April 2010


Soon after he finishes reading the flier, Falconer demands Grayson apologize to Lew Oliver for what he said about him in a recent email: “Oliver couldn’t find his rear end with both hands, unless there was a twenty-dollar bill sticking out of it.” Falconer and Grayson encourage one another to leave in a pretty heated face-to-face.

You just know the guy is going to go down in flames one of these days.

Madman in the Marketplace - 10 April 2010

good line, though.

6. catnip - 10 April 2010
7. catnip - 10 April 2010

Charity that sterilises addicts to come to UK

Drug addiction experts have reacted with horror at the revelation that a controversial American charity worker who pays addicts to be sterilised is setting up a franchise in Britain.

Project Prevention, which operates out of North Carolina, has stopped more than 3,500 drink and drug addicts from having children by paying them up to £200 to seek long term or permanent forms of contraception such as an IUD implant or full sterilisation. Once the addicts prove that an operation has been carried out they are awarded a cash sum which, even the charity admits, usually goes towards feeding their habits.

What a fucked up “charity”

Ms. Harris has repeatedly compared the women the program targets to animals, stating that “I’m not saying these women are dogs, but they’re not acting any more responsible than a dog in heat.”[3] She has also stated: “[W]e don’t allow dogs to breed. We spay them. We neuter them. We try to keep them from having unwanted puppies, and yet these women are literally having litters of children.” [4][5]. In other contexts, she again compared women to animals, stating, “[t]hey’re having litters. They are literally having litters.” [6], (“[w]e campaign to neuter dogs and yet we allow women to have 10 or 12 kids that they can’t take care of.”)[7] and, (“[w]e have campaigns to spay cats to prevent them from having unwanted kittens, yet we allow these women to have litters of 14 children.”)[8]

marisacat - 10 April 2010

what to say anymore… frankly.

8. catnip - 10 April 2010
9. ms_xeno - 10 April 2010

Ed Reed, one of my favorite living vocalists, singing a cover of Come Together.

10. diane - 10 April 2010

There you have it, this explains it all, we may be living in a wormhole ….

always nice to know the cause of effects we live under.

catnip - 10 April 2010

Could be worse. Could be a hellhole.

Oh, wait…

marisacat - 10 April 2010

that made me laugh……………… 😈 … 👿

diane - 10 April 2010


11. diane - 10 April 2010

and more news on the strange architecture of Cheney’s vacation estate

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 April 2010

6 People Shot At Mall In Oklahoma:


CBS Six people have been hospitalized after a shooting inside a Muskogee, Oklahoma mall.

Shoppers inside the mall were told by a public-address announcement to leave as quickly as possible, and gathered outside the mall. Several said they heard four or five shots just before the announcement about 4:15 p.m.

Downtown Muskogee was crowded with visitors attending the annual Azalea Festival when the shooting occurred.

Chad Wetz, a spokesman for Muskogee Regional Medical Center, told the Associated Press four people had been brought to the hospital from the scene of the shooting. But Wetz said no other information was available, such as the injuries suffered by those brought to the hospital, or their conditions.

13. diane - 10 April 2010

it’s a wrap?

I knew that rainbow looked ominous

diane - 10 April 2010

AND, Don’t you dare, lamely blame me and all the rest of us, just looking for a kind corner


diane - 10 April 2010

what else can one say, when their peers drop bombs, via remote control,

on their own?

while others would like to live much much longer in a wonderous land of


diane - 10 April 2010


in a contribution/(tax or some civil equivelant (sp?)) free “LAND OF ABUNDANCE


and i really do

mean (note the spelling)


(don’t call DEMI, forever YOUNG!, not ready to do myself in yet ya FUCKERS!)

diane - 10 April 2010

then again,

I likely bear blame for going along with things I knew better about in my gut, yet were widespread “common wisdoms.”

I’m trying to discern what to do about it

marisacat - 10 April 2010

I’m trying to discern what to do about it

To be blunt, don’t vote to re-elect him.

diane - 10 April 2010

won’t be.

diane - 10 April 2010


my not voting, still leaves me with the same problem.

ms_xeno - 11 April 2010

“Not voting” is only an issue if you believe that voting is the most effective or the only avenue to effect change.

Personally, I’ll continue to vote Green or do write-ins, but I don’t think either of those are the only possible avenues for doing things differently.

ms_xeno - 11 April 2010

And sit on those one-time campaign dollars. That’s all the fuckers really care about, anyway.

I’d rather give my ten bucks to the corner wino than to any Democrat or Republican, personally.

diane - 11 April 2010

Wholeheartedly agree about those campaign dollars, the only money I’ve ever sent was for the 2004 Ohio count.

I’ve always been offended at the fact that every poitical email I’ve ever received asked for money, particularly after the bailout.

I guess one of the unresolvable mind sets I get into, is the belief that almost to a person, candidates for political office are: power driven, unbearable, egotistical (shameless, disguting, asskissers when the ‘need’ arises), assholes, bullies and possible lunatics for the fact they believe they should be leading millions of people.


marisacat - 11 April 2010

Wholeheartedly agree about those campaign dollars, the only money I’ve ever sent was for the 2004 Ohio count.

And Kerry had collected separate money for that all along. [Snicker]. One reason he finished up with 14 mil. Unspent.

One of the biggest arguments not to vote for either of the main parties is how they have divvied up the spoils, how they take turns at the pots of gold.

diane - 11 April 2010

Ugh, re Kerry. I hope my money didn’t end up in his pocket as I didn’t send it (if I recollect it was to an Independent Party org.) to his camp. I so wanted to see Blackwell swallow that nastry grin.

And wholehearted agreement re major party votes, that last one, which I should’ve followed my better mind on, and voted Green on, or not voted at all, was it for me.

diane - 11 April 2010

Desperate to find a new place after that layoff, 50% salary reduction, or foreclosure (gigantic land swap from residential owners to investors)? Renters beware (as if you didn’t have enough to worry about, being a highly required investor income source, yet non represented, non citizen and all).

Real estate troubles causing jump in rental scams.

diane - 11 April 2010

oops, not a response (keep forgetting I need to back out of the respond to window to start a new comment), sorry for the muddling.

marisacat - 11 April 2010

Don’t worry diane… the thread is all screwed up, comments placement I mean.

Time to move on:



…………………………………….. 8)

14. catnip - 10 April 2010

The latest loony proclamation from the Obalmalama-loving centrists over at dkos:

Thou shalt not talk about the SCOTUS nominee until after he/she is picked. (Daddy doesn’t care what you think.)

(Yes, really.)

And remember! Obama is decades ahead of the rest of you so SYFPH.

marisacat - 10 April 2010

they so fulfilll that idiot’s book title, Lucianne’s gift to the universe, Jonah Greenburg’s “Liberal Fascism”.

May they all, etc.

marisacat - 10 April 2010

gah.. Motehr and son might be Goldberg.

I can’t keep it all straight.

But Lucianne, the long time R operative, mover and shaker of Monica era…. mentor to Linda Tripp… and her son Jonah.

15. diane - 10 April 2010

a shout out to “oculus,” our paths seem oddly intertwined

may the kindest outlive all of the rest

(sorry Marisa, for the personal, outgoing, message, yours is the only site I’m okay with commenting on)

marisacat - 10 April 2010

well to be honest I don’t think oculus reads here….

diane - 10 April 2010

but ya never know hon.

16. catnip - 10 April 2010
marisacat - 10 April 2010

oh what a scream… Is there a “Black Kos”????????… I thought Jack and Jill Politics took care of the “moderates”: the do nothings and moral lecturers — just fine.

There are so few black folk on this site. I am beginning to think there is intention behind this.

Don’t think too fast now. It might lead to hiccups.

marisacat - 10 April 2010

Lordy. Can she get more useless?

If this site is about electing Democrats, alienating the black folk on this site is a sure fire winner since we make up the most consistent voting block in the Democratic Party. Without us, we get John McCain and Sarah Palin.

catnip - 10 April 2010

That’s the standard fearmongering line over there.

Don’t like the health care bill? You’ll get president Palin!

Don’t like Obama assassinating Americans? You’ll get president Palin.

marisacat - 10 April 2010

yeah that is the push on party wide. So old it sheds.

But, it keeps working with the utter and complete idiots.

catnip - 11 April 2010

Let’s get ready to rumble…

“President Palin” is a weak sauce losing argument
by clammyc

283 comments (283 new)

marisacat - 11 April 2010

Poor Democrats. If there was no Palin, no tea partiers, why… they might have to talk about Obster.

catnip - 10 April 2010

There’s a BlackKos and apparently now there’s this splinter group and the diarist thinks she has the right to make it her own little gated community. What a fucking joke.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 April 2010

Iraq War Vet: “We Were Told to Just Shoot People, and the Officers Would Take Care of Us”

“I remember one woman walking by,” said Jason Washburn, a corporal in the US Marines who served three tours in Iraq. He told the audience at the Winter Soldier hearings that took place March 13-16, 2008, in Silver Spring, Maryland, “She was carrying a huge bag, and she looked like she was heading toward us, so we lit her up with the Mark 19, which is an automatic grenade launcher, and when the dust settled, we realized that the bag was full of groceries. She had been trying to bring us food and we blew her to pieces.”

The hearings provided a platform for veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan to share the reality of their occupation experiences with the media in the US.

Washburn testified on a panel that discussed the rules of engagement (ROE) in Iraq, and how lax they were, to the point of being virtually nonexistent.

“During the course of my three tours, the rules of engagement changed a lot,” Washburn’s testimony continued, “The higher the threat the more viciously we were permitted and expected to respond. Something else we were encouraged to do, almost with a wink and nudge, was to carry ‘drop weapons’, or by my third tour, ‘drop shovels’. We would carry these weapons or shovels with us because if we accidentally shot a civilian, we could just toss the weapon on the body, and make them look like an insurgent.”

marisacat - 11 April 2010

The American people are largely disengaged from the wars. See! Tea Baggers! OVER THERE! Look! A sick, mentally ill man threatened Pelosi!! He is a TERRORIST!! His mother said Fox News did it to him!!

I think if most Americans fuss over the wars, it is the [time] length and cost. And from what I hear, the bleating is very weak.

The Democrats hve been very effective shutting down the barely alive rank and file of their own party. So energised (not) are they by how ”historic” everything is. On the other hand, generally speaking, Ob is hardly beloved, barely tolerated imo.

But that is not to say there is anything else in the offing.

Or the American people, too many of them, are just scrabbling to stay alive.

And, really, the wars are barely covered for the domestic audience. I think the wars get more coverage on the news media of other countries.

18. marisacat - 11 April 2010

[N]oam Chomsky says that the teabaggers are proof of the left’s weakness and failure. If so, it’s been a long time coming. Ever since liberals embraced the corporate statism of Bill Clinton, working and poor people left behind and trampled are less and less a liberal concern, to the degree they ever truly were. Professional liberals possess very little class consciousness, save for those in the upper tiers who understand and accept how the game is played. The rest of us are pretty much on our own.

At least the teabaggers are in the streets, battling for their perceived interests. Liberals are more obedient at the moment, applauding or overlooking policies they would jeer and protest if a Repub president oversaw the scene. Liberals decry possible teabagger violence, but do nothing about the killing machine operated by Obama. Despite some mild dissent, most liberals are still very much in love with Their President and want him to succeed (one of The Nation’s main worries).

What “success” means to them is subjective, since objectively, Obama faithfully serves those with real power, while keeping his followers in check. Not that he has to do much to keep them quiescent. If that’s not success, I don’t know what is.


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