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America contra mundi 1 June 2010

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC, Turkey.

Large demonstrations took place around the world, including here at Taksim Square in Istanbul (BBC)

But!  we’ll always have Israel…. right?

I know, I know!   Not quite the ring of “we’ll always have Paris”.

Can I get a script re-write?  Send in the re-write men!!

Tapper v Gibbs (full text)

TAPPER:  Does President Obama believe the Israelis’ version of events?
GIBBS:  I’m sorry?
TAPPER:  Does President Obama believe — does he believe the Israeli government’s version of events?
GIBBS:  Well, again Jake, I’d refer you to the U.N. Security Council resolution calling for an investigation so that everybody knows exactly what happened.
TAPPER:  Let’s talk about that investigation.  Is it important that it be run by the Israelis?  Does the president want the international community to be involved in the investigation?
GIBBS:  Right.  Well, I would say that obviously what I said earlier, the resolution calls for a prompt and transparent investigation.  Obviously, we are open to ways to assure a credible investigation, including international participation.
TAPPER:  And there were Americans on the flotilla.  Has there been any — do you have any information about whether any of them were hurt?  There was an unconfirmed report that an American student lost an eye in the incident.  Do you know anything?
GIBBS:  I — I think we’re in contact with the Israelis in order to get an accounting as to whether any Americans citizens — well obviously American citizens were — acting as private citizens — were — were on some of these ships. We’re working with the Israelis to determine if any of those individuals were injured, and, as the resolution says, would call on the Israelis to release both the ships and any of those people.

TAPPER:  Is the president concerned at all that after all his work to repair relations between the U.S. and the Muslim world that a situation like this destroys overnight?
GIBBS:  The U.S. relationship with the Muslim…
TAPPER:  U.S. Relationship with the Muslim world, by standing so steadfastly with Israel?
GIBBS:  No.  Again, I — again, I would point you to I think it was a pretty clear statement by the international community that the United States…
TAPPER:  I wouldn’t call it that.  I mean, it condemns acts that were taken that led to the loss of life, but it doesn’t say whose acts.  It could have been the flotilla’s acts or it could have been the IDF’s acts.  It’s not clear from that statement.
GIBBS:  Well, I think our opinion is this is a pretty clear statement and obviously…
TAPPER:  … whose acts are you talking about in that statement?  Is it the IDF or is it…
GIBBS:  Again, we’re talking about a series of facts that will be determined by an appropriate investigation, as I just said.
TAPPER:  OK.  So there’s no specificity as to whose acts it’s condemning?
GIBBS:  Well, it may be of information as to exactly how this went down that the rest of the international community may not be completely clear on, Jake.  But, again, I’m saying — and let me…
TAPPER:  … you don’t even know what it (inaudible) if you don’t know what happened.
GIBBS:  We can play circular ball all day long, Jake.  Obviously we condemn the loss of life and we regret it deeply.  I think that is knowable, correct?
GIBBS:  OK, good.  So I would simply say — reiterate what is in the statement. In terms of our relationship with the Muslim world, I think the president has obviously spent a lot of time on improving our relationship with countries throughout the world, and special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world.  I do not think that this will have a great impact on that.

Poor Obby, just flotsam in the big oily sea.  Somehow they will tell it as the story of Moses.

We are so fucking screwed.




1. diane - 1 June 2010

I — I think we’re in contact with the Israelis

what? …… that’s all folks!

marisacat - 1 June 2010

hoot hoot… what a hoot.

Demonstrations here in SF move into their second day at the israeli consulate. Counter demos ongoing as well… and I heard there was to be one at the Turkish Consulate, as well.

Should snarl downtown, financial district pretty well………………. 😉

diane - 1 June 2010

luv it!

CSTAR - 1 June 2010

Gimme a cartoon instead.

diane - 1 June 2010

Looney Tunes for ya, hon.

2. diane - 1 June 2010

MV Rachel Corrie heading for Gaza — with the full support of the Irish government
by Paul Woodward on June 1, 2010 • 8 comments

This is a major development. The Irish-flagged MV Rachel Corrie cargo ship, whose passage to join the Freedom Flotilla may have been delayed because of sabotage by Israelis, is now heading for Gaza — and it has the full support of the Irish government. This is no longer just a question of how easily Israel can trample on the rights of a humanitarian organization.

The Irish prime minister, Brian Cowen, has warned Israel that it will face “the most serious consequences” in the event that any harm comes to Irish citizens on board the humanitarian relief vessel.

The Irish Times reports:

The cargo vessel is ploughing ahead with its attempt to deliver aid to Gaza despite yesterday’s deadly attack by the Israeli navy on a Gaza-bound flotilla.

Mr Cowen called today called for the immediate establishment of “a full, independent international inquiry into yesterday’s events, preferably under UN auspices”.

He called on Israel to release “unconditionally” Irish citizens who he said had been taken to Gaza by the Israeli authorities and asked to sign papers allowing for their deportation.

Speaking in the Dáil [Ireland’s parliament] during Leaders’ Questions, the Taoiseach [prime minister] said the presence of Irish diplomatic personnel in Israel provided “better prospects” that the citizens would be released “sooner rather than later”

“But I will make this point. If any harm comes to any of our citizens, it will have the most serious consequences.”

Mr Cowen said Ireland’s longstanding position was that the Israeli blockade of Gaza was “immoral and counterproductive” and should be ended.

“Israel must listen and respond to the clear concerns of the international community on this issue. To do otherwise will only serve to reinforce the position of the extremists on both sides and jeopardise the hope of achieving some urgently needed political progress in the region, which the current proximity talks represent,” he said.

The Israeli army has warned that it will be stopped if it attempts to enter Israeli waters.

The Rachel Corrie, which has five Irish nationals and five Malaysians aboard, is due to arrive in Gazan waters over the coming days, a spokeswoman for the Irish Palestine Solidarity Campaign said. It became separated from the main aid flotilla after being delayed for 48 hours in Malta due to logistical reasons, and is currently off the coast of Libya.

Mr Martin, who called Israeli Ambassador Dr Zion Evrony to a meeting yesterday, said the boat should be allowed through peacefully.

Mr Martin said Israel was also obliged to respect its international obligations under the Vienna Convention and ensure Irish citizens have access to full consular support. He also expressed his condolences to the Turkish government and the families of the people killed when Israeli commandos raided the Turkish registered Mavi Marmara aid ship in international waters as it travelled from Cyprus, killing nine people.

Five Irish campaigners – including leading activists Dr Fintan Lane and Fiachra Ó Luain – are being held in the Be’er Sheva detention camp, from where they face deportation. Dr Lane and Mr Ó Luain were on board Free Gaza boat Challenger 1 which was boarded by Israeli forces.

Meanwhile, Haaretz reports that Colonel Itzik Turgeman, a senior Israel Defense Forces officer, speaking before the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, hinted that the IDF had sabotaged the engines of all the ships in the Freedom Flotilla other than the Mavi Marmara, saying that “they took care of them.”

marisacat - 1 June 2010

oh very interesting….

diane - 1 June 2010


(and, well yeah are you thinking what I am, BOBO oops, I meant BONO, nowhere to be seen ……….)

3. marisacat - 1 June 2010

Greenwald has several entries on the Israeli – Greco – Turko – Everybody conflab… .. and the vid of his appearance on MSNBC with Sptizer… who i guess is guest hosting.


BTW, Rush ahs good nickname for MSNBC… or at least ti made me laugh:


diane - 1 June 2010

that is really funny, perhaps there is hope for the Limburger Cheese, though to date it seems that he’s consigned still to the internal care unit ……..

sometimes Rush reminds me of the role Ned Beatty played in Deliverance …I’m betting he doesn’t really have any respect for any in DC, …but ….he savor’s butter on his bread, …..and appears fond of doing in those whom he might have to share that butter with.

marisacat - 1 June 2010

the only other thing I like is he calls “school” …. SCREWEL


Plus the intro to the show is bump and grind music.

diane - 1 June 2010

Oh jeez hon, He didn’t? SCREWEL oh fuck ;0)

I almost wanna kiss him…..but I jus can’t, he might wap me in the head with an oar from an NBC, Survival Series boat ……………soz he duzn’t has to share.

Heather-Rose Ryan - 2 June 2010

Is it? It used to be the Pretenders (“My City was Gone”). I haven’t listened in a long time.

4. marisacat - 1 June 2010

I see today’s Miranda ruling was 5/4

Stevens goes… Kagan goes in………….

we shall see..

Madman in the Marketplace - 1 June 2010

apparently you have to DEMAND your right to be silent, or you don’t have it?

“rights” in name only.

marisacat - 1 June 2010

I’ve seen little stray lines from the ruling, which I gather Kennedy… the Great Swing Vote wrote.


diane - 1 June 2010

Stunned, I say:

”…. The majority ruling is in line with the position taken by the Obama administration and U.S. Solicitor General Elena Kagan. In December, she filed a brief on the side of Michigan prosecutors and argued that “the government need not prove that a suspect expressly waived his rights.””

diane - 1 June 2010

I’m betting that Glenn, da da….. a …. da one on this one, GO Glenn!, I know you can!

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 June 2010
diane - 1 June 2010

Someone needs to put the wrenching picture from that post on billboards throughout this mess we call a morally upright country, the largest one should be placed across the street from the Whitehouse.

Every MONSTER, in DC should be forced to read every single thought, and view every single image that EMILY HENOCHOWICZ’ posted at her ’space’ at Thirsty Pixels, especially, since they’re clearly incapable of empathizing with anyone brown skinned, or darker, unless those persons have whored themselves to Wall Street.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 June 2010
marisacat - 1 June 2010

was this the right link? I followed it and it went to TR’s “Saddest” too…

if you have the URL… I will fix it………………


Madman in the Marketplace - 1 June 2010
CSTAR - 2 June 2010

From my experience of regimes in various states of exception (literal translation of “estados de excepcion”), I am certain that “arbitrariness” of that list is intentional. It’s clearly meant to harass and intidimate and create an atmosphere of servility: You’re happy to get anything

7. marisacat - 1 June 2010

wow… different breed of cat than what we elect. Or get presented with…

Prime Minister of Japan Tells Nation He Plans to Quit

Published: June 1, 2010

TOKYO – Yukio Hatoyama, whose Democratic Party ended a half-century of almost uninterrupted single-party rule in Japan, said Wednesday he would resign to take responsibility for failing to keep his promise to move an American air base off the southern Japanese island of Okinawa.

Mr. Hatoyama came to power in August on landmark elections that cast the long-ruling Liberal Democratic Party from power. He had promised to bring sweeping changes to Japan’s postwar order by redefining Tokyo’s relationship with Washington and refocusing the nation’s economy away from corporations toward households.

But public support for Mr. Hatoyama slumped after he reneged on a promise to relocate a contentious United States air base off Okinawa.

An alleged campaign financing scandal linked to his top lieutenant, Ichiro Ozawa, the Democratic Party Secretary General, has also mired his administration.

Mr. Hatoyama said Mr. Ozawa, known as the party’s main powerbroker, would also step down.


diane - 1 June 2010

certainly is a different breed, ours apparently have a thorough contempt for “the people;” no vocation (outside of their own obsession with attaining power); accept no responsibility; and have no shame whatsoever ………………..they are thoroughly OWNED…

Heather-Rose Ryan - 2 June 2010

Yes, unfortunately we don’t see any resignations-in-shame here. Or better yet, suicides-in-shame. I was calling for them in the investment-bank bailouts but they’re even more appropriate in the BP disaster. All the BP higher-ups should be immolating themselves in their own oil.

Madman in the Marketplace - 2 June 2010

this culture is incapable of shame

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 June 2010
9. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 June 2010
10. marisacat - 1 June 2010

Artur Davis went down to defeat in Alabama.

Praise be to Jesus, we are spared another Joshua!


From a local Alabama tv station:

Birmingham, Al (WIAT) It’s difficult to tell which was the bigger surprise….Ag Commissioner Ron Sparks’ big win against Congressman Artur Davis or how tightly packed their Republican counterparts are bunched.

Davis hoped to be Alabama’s first African American governor but he couldn’t survive the Democratic primary against Agriculture Commissioner Ron Sparks. Rumblings against Davis were evident after he voted against the Obama healthcare plan…and intensified after he refused to seek the endorsement of old line Black political organizations. But Sparks’ big win still registered as a surprise.

Lost to the state ag commissioner.

diane - 1 June 2010

Rumblings against Davis were evident after he voted against the Obama healthcare plan…and intensified after he refused to seek the endorsement of old line Black political organizations.

Likely the same old line Blackorgs which mostly despised Martin, and without a question Malcom …..

diane - 1 June 2010

(And just to qualify, I hadn’t inteded to exempt any Elijah Muhammad/Louis Farrakhan worshipping fan clubs from that comment about old line, Black organizations.)

marisacat - 1 June 2010

yeah except Artur is a gilded turd. I could care less.

diane - 1 June 2010

jeez, I went all off, after reading about his dismissal of Obama’s [non]Healthcare plan, and old line Black political organizations, which can be every bit as corrupt as the white ones, without knowing anything about him, and now well ….I look like an ass, as I should.

11. diane - 1 June 2010

Oh my, that’s interesting, went to check on recent news at the http://www.newsnow.co.uk site and I’m getting an unable to locate server message on it, and its various web pages; two of which I’ve recently posted, in the following order, from last to first:



I’ve been using this news site for at least two to three years now, and have never had this problem.

Can someone please let me now, if they are able to access it? Maybe it’s just ‘down’ momentarily.


diane - 2 June 2010

(the same thing happened to me regarding Daily Kos in early 2008 (which I’m still unable to access), but I figured someone at DKos may have silently prevented me from access, this is different though, in that I don’t post or email anything at/to the NewsNow site, I simply read articles via the links they provide.)

BooHooHooMan - 2 June 2010
diane - 2 June 2010

Thank you so much hon,

all I can say is…

the FUCKING MONSTERS, I don’t doubt that it’s not an accident, but certainly, how could one prove it by themselves is the conundrum.

BooHooHooMan - 2 June 2010

I’ve been posting in Turkey the last 24.
Soem sites available, some not.
They have over 10% inflation now.
And while there is as much opportunity for elite’s collusion where money and market market manipulation is concerned, it’s fair to say with the broad brush their people ARE outraged. And rightly see unhinged Israel as a threat to their well being, calling into question their “role” , de facto certainly – in straddling East and West. Pretty much the CW in the news outlets, but one gets a sense of it….

diane - 2 June 2010

What does CW strand for?

diane - 2 June 2010

(oops, and strand, stands for stand

BooHooHooMan - 2 June 2010

Conventional Wisdom

diane - 2 June 2010


diane - 2 June 2010

Whew, I see NewsNow, is online again, and there’s a note posted midway down to the left:

Apologies. The NewsNow site is down due to circumstances outside our control. We’ll update you here as soon as we have more information. 09:14 2-Jun-10

I was seriously bummed out, I can’t stand Google, news or otherwise.

12. diane - 2 June 2010

Flotilla raid passengers tell of violent attacks

01/06/2010 – 13:13:15

Activists caught in the aid flotilla raid by Israeli forces claimed today that the commandos had beaten passengers and used electric shocks.

Six Greeks and several others, including a Turkish woman and her year-old baby, were released today, but Israel has barred access to hundreds of others seized.

Most of those killed were aboard the Turkish-flagged Mavi Marmara, and there have been conflicting accounts of what happened during the assault.

Turkish activist Nilufer Cetin, who had hidden with her baby in her cabin’s bathroom aboard the Mavi Marmara, said she believed there were 11 dead.

“The ship turned into a lake of blood,” Cetin told reporters in Istanbul, having returned after Israeli officials warned that jail would be too harsh for her child.

“We were aware of the possible danger” in joining the trip, she said. “But there are thousands of babies in Gaza. If we had reached Gaza we would have played with them and taken them food.”

She said Israeli vessels “harassed” the flotilla for two hours starting around 10 pm Sunday, and returned at around 4 am yesterday, fired warning shots and told the ships to turn back.

“When the Mavi Marmara continued on its course the harassment turned into an attack. They used smoke bombs followed by gas canisters. They started to descend onto the ship with helicopters,” she said, calling the clashes that then erupted “extremely bad and brutal.”

“I was one of the first victims to be released because I had a child,” she said, but “they confiscated everything, our telephones, laptops are all gone.” Her husband – the ship’s engineer – was still being held by Israel.

Six Greeks who returned home said those still in custody were refusing to sign papers.

“During their interrogation, many of them were badly beaten in front of us,” said Aris Papadokostopoulos, who was on the Free Mediterranean travelling behind the Turkish ship.

The six ships had been trying to break the three-year blockade of Gaza to deliver humanitarian aid, the activists said.

“Suddenly from everywhere we saw inflatables coming at us, and within seconds fully equipped commandos came up on the boat,” said Greek activist Dimitris Gielalis, who was on the Sfendoni.

“They came up and used plastic bullets, we had beatings, we had electric shocks, any method we can think of, they used,” he said.

He said the boat’s captain was beaten for refusing to leave the wheel, and had sustained non-life-threatening injuries, while a cameraman filming the raid was hit with a rifle butt in the eye,“ he said. ”Of course we weren’t prepared for a situation of war.“

Mr Papadokostopoulos said the Free Mediterranean, which was carrying mainly Greek and Swedish activists, was about 80 miles off Gaza when the raid was launched.

“The Turkish ship was in front of us … on which there was a terrible raid from the air and from the sea and from everywhere, with shooting,” he said.

Aboard the other boats, he said, commandos beat activists, but nobody was gravely injured. He said no one put up resistance on the Free Mediterranean, which was carrying a cargo of wheelchairs, building material and medical and pharmaceutical aid.

“Some people were hit by clubs and electric shocks,” he said.

Crew member Mihalis Grigoropoulos said he was on the bridge of the Free Mediterranean and heard shooting coming from the Turkish ship.

Several people who tried to stop the Israeli forces from getting to the bridge were hit by electric shocks and plastic bullets, he said. “We didn’t resist at all. Even if we had wanted to, what could we do?”

Civil engineer Thanassis Petrogiannis said he had joined the flotilla to provide help in rebuilding destroyed Palestinian homes.

13. BooHooHooMan - 2 June 2010

Kudos where due..

HuffPo has a photo gallery on, well…….the Inundation

Also noting the Houston Chronicle piece, Media must have unrestricted ability to cover the oil spill’s coastal damage

Oh well, Oil well, what can you say with Obama, “The Transparency President” ™ now on top of things…

Unlike Madman’s and diane’s post above, there is next to nothing on the Pwog Blogs noting the maiming of 21 year old artist and peace Emily Henochowicz by the IDF yesterday. Which, while prompting outrage and projectile vomiting elsewhere, might* might* have the effect of inducing nausea in New York and other metropolitan enclaves of American Zionism. I mean, there’s only been How MANY of these jackboot assaults now?

“Activist Guy” , a decent sort who hangs with a few of the good ones left on DK did put up a link to another graphic record of the brutality.

BooHooHooMan - 2 June 2010

Correction.. … . artist and peace activist Emily Henochowicz..

14. marisacat - 2 June 2010

omigod… ABC has a segment on McBride, the nun administrator at St Joseph’s Hospital… where the abortion was performed on an emergency basis…

A case that will not go away.

I hope so, anyway…

15. marisacat - 2 June 2010

Speaking of “Obama the Transparency Guy”, I got a few kicks out of this People … Politico

In addition, any holes in the White House story, as told in a memo developed by incoming White House Counsel Greg Craig in December 2008, could tarnish the image the president has sought to build as a proponent of transparency.

Read more: LINK to People mag

Blago = Swamp Thing

I assume he and his wife still need cash so who knows where it goes…

16. marisacat - 2 June 2010

BW has a good rount up piece on the oil mess in the Gulf. I see they, the PTB, are slowly rolling out that it may be months… and months with a worst case scenario of years.

They don’t mention that Ixtoc was only in 160 ft of water, however.

Pemex Spill

It took Mexico’s state-owned oil company, Petróleos Mexicanos, or Pemex, nine months to plug its Ixtoc I well after an explosion and fire in 1979.

The company’s first attempt with a relief well failed, so it had to drill a second. Eventually, more than 140 million gallons of crude spilled into the Gulf of Mexico — the biggest offshore oil spill on record.

Last year, an explosion at a well off the Australian coast owned by Thailand’s national oil company, PTT Exploration & Production Pcl, required five attempts before it could be plugged by a relief well 10 weeks after the spill began.

BP has improved its odds by drilling two emergency wells at once. If a first attempt fails, it will have the second well ready to try again. The company is using techniques such as a larger well bore, raising its chances of hitting its mark, said Robert MacKenzie an analyst with FBR Capital Markets in Arlington, Virginia.

Plugging the well is another challenge even after BP successfully intersects it, Robert Bea, a University of California Berkeley engineering professor, said. BP has said it believes the well bore to be damaged, which could hamper efforts to fill it with mud and set a concrete plug, Bea said. snip

BooHooHooMan - 2 June 2010

I think BP’s done myself, parted out in a massive bailout with further (US UK ) Oil consolidation and subsidy.
And I haven’t wrapped my head around it but it’s something of an inverse to Opec’s jack of prices in 74. Iran, Russia (non Opec) , and Venezuala acting as stabilizers, with the US and their closest buds desperately needing the bump…that can only come with the bang bang.

BooHooHooMan - 2 June 2010

Here’s one nice headline before I go…

BP loses $21B in a day

G’day all.

marisacat - 2 June 2010

I don’t know, it is beyond me…. as the UK’s biggest single corp – so I ahve read… who knows. Is there any stomach for bail out?

But happy to see the stock fall. And fall. And fall. And fall.

marisacat - 2 June 2010

Estimated to hit FL beaches today………………………… and I see 5 or so spots wehre it is just barely off shor from MS… be interesting ot hear Haley when the sludge is in his fucking front yard. Becasue for weeks it has been:

Ah won’t criticise the gubmint… Ah won’t crtiticse BP. Ah’m gettin’ wot I want and need. ($$ would be my guess)

Of course MS and AL have shores of a pinkie finger – half of a pinkie!, compared to LA that has all 10 fingers and toes worth of beach, marsh, wetland, anterior marsh… bayous…………and the Mississippi River and its full Delta.

17. marisacat - 2 June 2010

But does he “love them back”??? [snicker]

From Playbook at People


Peggy Noonan on Saturday: ‘Mr. Obama was supposed to be competent. … The disaster in the Gulf may well spell the political end of the president and his administration, and that is no cause for joy.’

Frank Rich on Sunday: ‘Obama’s Katrina? Maybe Worse … [L]ife isn’t fair, and this president is in a far tougher spot in 2010 than his predecessor was in 2005. … His credibility as a champion of reformed, competent government is held hostage by video from the gulf.’

Maureen Dowd today: ‘The oil won’t stop flowing, but the magic has. … How does a man who invented himself as a force by writing one of the most eloquent memoirs in political history lose control of his own narrative?’

I call it Triple Air Kiss in Reverse!!

catnip - 2 June 2010

How does a man who invented himself as a force by writing one of the most eloquent memoirs in political history lose control of his own narrative?’

Was she paying attention during the health insurance fight? Hell – even during the Rev Wright debacle? Inviting what’s his name to the inauguration? He’s never had a grip on “the narrative” beyond the books he wrote and the flowery speeches he gave. He’s in over his head.

marisacat - 2 June 2010

well.. she was part of the cacophony that worked to put him in.

Good luck to them all………. 😈

18. marisacat - 2 June 2010

Two ships en route to Gaza, th Rachel Corrie and a second. Not sure how far out they are…. Have not read a def confirmation that the Turkish Navy is with them…


Israel will use more aggressive force in the future to prevent ships from breaking the sea blockade on the Gaza Strip, a top Navy commander told The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.

“We boarded the ship and were attacked as if it was a war,” the officer said. “That will mean that we will have to come prepared in the future as if it was a war snip

19. catnip - 2 June 2010

What will a hurricane do to the oil spill?

Note about the article above that mentioned the failure of a relief well. Maybe I haven’t been paying close enough attention, but the overwhelming CW on the teevee is that the gusher will definitely be stopped once the relief well is working. I can’t recall hearing anyone mention that the relief well might fail. Maybe someone has mentioned it…I don’t know…but I haven’t heard it. No surprise since people want SOME assurance there actually will be an end to this nightmare ASAP.

marisacat - 2 June 2010

ug no… no guarantees it will be stopped. About the only thing that can be said for someone in the Obby admin… they insisted on the second well.

Just heard a small group of fishing related people on with Little Stephie on ABC.. their fear if a hurricane or series of them, comes thru, the oil is deposited inland in addition to the all the rest aht is happening, is that masses of land will be condemned.

Also the oil is 10 miles from Pensacola, I jsut read.

20. catnip - 2 June 2010
21. marisacat - 2 June 2010



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