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Collaborators… 5 June 2010

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, The Battle for New Orleans, WAR!.

 The world is full of them… remember this dipshit?  ”DemFromCT” was the moniker iirc.

Greg Dworkin

Greg Dworkin Contributing Editor, Daily Kos :

One of the stories about the Gulf oil spill will be the long term health of the clean-up crew. While the well-qualified head of OSHA is concentrating on heat exhaustion and other “routine” risks, and suggesting respirators need not be used, others are not so sanguine. The volatility of a fresh oil spill in the water is worse than “weathered” oil that reaches shore, or so goes the thinking. Nonetheless, a long term look, including a registry of exposed workers, might be in order to go along with more immediate air quality measures. The best analogy would be to the 9/11 workers and the immediate (and inaccurate) assurances of safe air quality at Ground Zero. This isn’t pointing fingers at either the last or this administration, it’s learning from past experience and invoking the precautionary principle to make sure we get it right the first time and protect those who are there to help, either on company time or as civilian volunteers.


Yes yes yes yes, let’s all be on the eternal fucked and fake “learning curve”.  Let’s not point fingers..  Let’s be sure to call the OSHA head, who clearly is assisting BP here, “well qualified”. 

Qualified to be a hack in the employ of thugs…

So many thugs and thug helpers.  The Dworkins of the world, the hamburger helper of politics.  Only in this case, it gets added to what I have called ”mashed potatoes”.  That would be Obby.

Lube up!




1. catnip - 5 June 2010

re: lessons

The one stable has a 3 hr clinic.

$100 for:

1) Safety & Etiquette
2) Horse body Language catching and Leading
3) Parts of the Horse and grooming
4) Tack and Tacking up

I’ll have to call them because I’d just like to trail ride around their property and don’t need to learn all of that stuff like 4).

If you want to trail ride in the Rockies (1 hr west of here), you just show up and go. Mind you, they use the slowest, mildest horses you can imagine so…

marisacat - 5 June 2010

well… they have priced it probably as low as they can… and it likely takes something, maybe significant, off their insurance. Not arguing FOR it… but i can see their point…

catnip - 5 June 2010

I think the insurance concerns are the main point. And their prices have dropped $65 since the last time I checked.

marisacat - 5 June 2010

so it used to be $165? Yeah that does sound closer to the price that would get slapped on a little mandatory package like that…

catnip - 5 June 2010

Oh wait – that’s just a clinic to prepare for taking lessons. $160 for 4 lessons. Yeah, I’ll have to call them…

marisacat - 5 June 2010

ok.. so now it is 100 for the clinic prep… and 160 for 4 lessons. 260.00.

Gah adds up.

I take it the other stable does not have the same requirement?

catnip - 5 June 2010

I don’t know. All I know about them is that they sell and board. I’ll check with them too.

2. catnip - 5 June 2010

Dworkin – what was that about the bird flu “pandemic” again? Can you write another post about that?

the hamburger helper of politics


3. diane - 5 June 2010

all I have to say, very sorry I guess, and very un-pc, lookin at the name and a human face that shouldn’t be looking so pleased and satisfied at this date, what with the drones, and suffocating oil gone wild and obscene, …is CT plus Dworkin? …well yeah, you look like one of those, well, whatever the fuck they are,…… THINGS ….ASSHOLE……….

marisacat - 5 June 2010

oh once I saw his pic, back whne the Front Pgers decided it was better to admit to themsleves and had bios and some pics at Dkos… he just looks like a bug eye’d gnat.

Basically. A gnat with a big mean streak, as I recall DemFromDipshitCT

diane - 5 June 2010

…A gnat with a big mean streak.

a likely, lower hierarchy, relative of squeeter’s tweeter’s …….

marisacat - 5 June 2010

That whole first crew of thugs and meanies, Houle, Meteor, DemFromCT and a few others… basically party operatives imo. Line worker thugs.

diane - 5 June 2010

OPS, envelope the tubes, specially in the Metro spots and Cali ….inuring those who’ve recently been dispossessed into unfamiliar neighborhoods,..to a punitiveness, ……….a punitiveness, which is disguised as a garden path, ….a garden path with bees, which way too frequently, sting, ….. all of which, those dispossessed would never accept, …if the floor hadn’t fallen out from underneath them

diane - 5 June 2010

but, indeed , that floor, seems to have been quite deliberately taken out from underneath them…it really seems planned, though that sound crazy, even to me…….

marisacat - 5 June 2010

oh I think it is all planned, rigged. Just one example, the big Bankruptcy Bill in the congress… in 2005 (was it… or 04 ?? I know Obby was int eh senate he was a no on bankrutpcy and a yes on class action bills), right on the heels of the Big Crash of 2007 to whenever.

diane - 5 June 2010

think it was 05, but truly hard to keep track anymore of the ugliness.

marisacat - 5 June 2010

I think you are right it was 05…

diane - 5 June 2010

that pic reminds me of that creep E.HOPE …always be careful of those who insist upon never taking a stand but praying both ‘sides” love them, so their scrawny necks don’t get snapped, it would be one thing if they actually believed in right and wrong, outside of saving their own scrawny asses……….

4. catnip - 5 June 2010
diane - 5 June 2010

speaking of photoshops …..look at Dworkin’s right ear, ……for those who’ve had a few, like me, look to the left of his “perpetually do gooder” face, as you face the piccy.

do ears really do that bell curve outwards like that? ….why it looks like a miniaturized version of those huge Lockheed (Lock ….heed, …(.broken down)) “dishes,” ,…and well yeah , ..who exactly is that Corp[se] entity communicatin with, when a teeny cancerous mobile phone can make a call to the other end of the planet, let alone those ginormous dishes?

(ya wanna know how many Lockheed ex and current employees have died way way too young, or gone crazy? ……well the only two African American Lockheed engineers I’m aware of, died at an incredibly young age.)

well good luck to ya , ….CT, whatever the fuck, ….but vain as it may seem, …sure glad I don’t have a stray ear like that, it’s hard enough paying attention to my own sense of right and wrong,………….let alone, doin some other asshole’s bidding.

diane - 5 June 2010

… I worked with a woman who could be his twin, in the looks and pedantry department. Despite the fact that she lives on a major fault line, her comment when Katrina hit was Whyyyyyyyyyy do they have to live there? about all those on the Delta, (whom in her mind, perhaps should have drowned for having been born), where most of her specialty Foody items, not to mention vital needs, were shipped from.

5. marisacat - 5 June 2010



[T]he Exxon Valdez spill of 11 million gallons killed as many as 700,000 sea birds and 5,000 sea otters initially, but even 21 years later, populations of sea otters in areas of Prince William Sound haven’t recovered. The Pacific herring population collapsed after the spill for reasons that remain in dispute among scientists. Two intensely studied pods of killer whales in the sound suffered heavy losses in the spill and have struggled since. One of the two pods has no more reproductive females. It is doomed to extinction.

And the oil?

“It’s still sitting there,” said Stan Rice, program manager for habitat studies at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration’s Auke Bay Fisheries Lab. “It’s still liquid, you can still smell it and touch it.”

The article drops some tidbits on the Ixtoc I, the Mexican well that blew in ’79 in 160 ft of water… when they tried to cap it, they called it “Sombrero”.

diane - 5 June 2010

Thinking of the Orca ….one can easily jump to the fact that, perhaps soon, the only Moby Dicks, or sperm whales, remaining in US “territory,” will be in mocking, name only, likely in the DC area….

6. marisacat - 6 June 2010

I don’t think people have reached breaking point but boy when it comes, it is going to be UGLY… This is in the Mobile Press Register

[R]iley said waiting for the oil to wash up on the beach because it’s easier to remove is a “ridiculous concept.” He said Coast Guard Adm. Mary Landry, the federal onsite coordinator, twice promised him that Alabama would have 132,000 feet of heavy ocean boom — material that ultimately went to Louisiana.

While states like Florida and Louisiana have hundreds of miles of coastline, the governor said, Alabama has just 40. He said boom could have been laid a half-mile from the beach — beyond the break of the waves — from the Florida line to Fort Morgan. Skimmers could have patrolled the area.

“I absolutely knew we could shut it down. And we could do it in a way no one else could. “I honestly think we could have stopped it.”

Riley said that by the time he realized the federal government was not going to live up to its promise, there was nowhere in the world the state could go to buy ocean boom. He vowed to build and pre-stage boom in the future so that Alabama will never again be dependent on a federal response.

There were photos in the Mobile paper of a pathetic effort at laying booms off Gulf Shores… a couple of small skiffs, motor boats, with boom………… but it needed to be so much more….

NOLA.com, the Times Picayune ran a Sunday Editorial saying to Obby, well you come down here, but you don’t speak to the people…

7. marisacat - 6 June 2010

I have been trolling the various newspapers in the Gulf coast states…

And trolling the comments…

One tidbit that surfaced… it was the Coast Guard that DETAINED the rig workers that night. They were held for various lengths of time, between 29 and 40 hours one comment said. They did nto know it was CG, they thought it was BP workers detaining them.

Urine tests and mandatory signatures on dox.

8. marisacat - 6 June 2010

I am listning to a call in on KGO on the spill…

Apparently there is some pre-planning to have Shell take over BP and some thought to splitting the company, into two… splitting off the Deep Water Drilling part…

9. marisacat - 6 June 2010


Not sure where this is headed…

Turkish paper releases ‘censored’ photos of beaten Israeli commandos

Turkey’s highest circulating paper, Hurriyet, reports that photos were deleted by Israel, but restored by Turkish activists.

By Haaretz Service

Turkey’s highest circulating newspaper Hurriyet on Sunday released photos of Israeli navy commandos who had been embroiled in the clash aboard the Gaza-bound Turkish aid ship Mavi Marmara last week.

diane - 6 June 2010

A thought from Israel on that:
Turkish paper Hurriyet published pictures of captive IDF soldiers inside the Mavi Marmara (see them here) during the Israeli raid on the ship. IDF spokesperson already declared that “this is clear proof of Israel’s repeated claims, that the boat was carrying mercenaries, whose sole purpose was to kill the soldiers.”

But to me these pictures raise even more questions. It seems that the people on the Mavi Marmara actually kept the soldiers alive – rather than “lynch” them, as Israel claims. This might also explain why the battle against unarmed civilians took so long: Could it be that the nine casualties weren’t just the result of an attempt to protect the life of the soldiers at the moment they were attacked, but rather the outcome of a violate rescue operation?

Since the Gilad Shalit kidnapping, there is a standing order in Israel not to let any IDF soldier to be captured alive, even if it means risking his own life – let alone the life of the people around him.

Another thought: could it be that the bullet injuries few IDF soldiers suffered occurred during this rescue attempt? Maybe it was IDF shots that caused them?

Here is another picture, posted on the IHH flickr page, showing passengers treating a wounded IDF soldier. I don’t know if this pic is real or not, but if it is, it might back the claim that the passengers were trying to defend themselves rather kill the soldiers:

As long as the IDF doesn’t release it’s version of the events and all confiscated material, we have no way of knowing what happened on the Mavi Maramra. But as passengers’ testimonies are released and more is material coming out, the army’s version seems to have more and more holes in it.

read more

diane - 6 June 2010

Two in spam hon, one was a response to your comment above.

diane - 6 June 2010

they’re both posted now, thanks!

marisacat - 6 June 2010

sorry I fell sound a sleep….

diane - 6 June 2010

no ‘pology necessary hon.

10. marisacat - 6 June 2010

Another one of the much distributed Charlie Riedel/AP photos of birds mired in oil, has a happy ending. The “laughing gull” that was completely covered and held down to the ground in oil.

I had a feeling they might, those birds… as it was def a “photo shoot” … planned for wide distribution….

Even if spin saved them, I a glad for it…

[T]hat happened Friday, when people around the world picked up newspapers or clicked on computers to see a heartbreaking image of a single bird covered in a layer of gunk that looked like melted chocolate.

That gunk, of course, was oil, and that bird was found along the coast of East Grand Terre Island, La.

And despite the horrific image, that little bird — a laughing gull — is lucky, according to Jay Holcomb, executive director of the International Bird Rescue Research Center, where the creature is being treated.

Holcomb tells NPR’s Michele Norris that the bird was rescued early — “so even though it’s covered in oil and it’s tired, it’s in relatively decent shape.”

But the little gull is the symbol of a scary turning point for wildlife on the Gulf Coast, Holcomb says. Yesterday, a big swath of surface oil broke free of the main slick and headed toward shore.

marisacat - 6 June 2010

😆 .. and a comment from the thread at NPR

Casey Burns (cbwim) wrote:

A suggestion that comes to mind when looking at that pitiful gull, who is not laughing:

Perhaps we’d all get some sort of cathartic benefit in tarring and feathering a few BP executives (especially the ones responsible for this mess), starting with the CEO, Tony Hayward. After that, he can get his life back.

Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:12:27 AM

Maye Tony could just be set out there, to float on the gulf waters, no help, no wet suit, no sun screen (snicker) no nothing… set him down in the plumes he denies exist………….


11. marisacat - 6 June 2010

hmm I scammed thisfrom Sky Truth, apparently in 2003, there was a near blow out at a BP well, in deep water, over 6,000 down… in the Gulf of Mexico. Thunder Horse it was called.

The BOP worked that time.

NOAA pdf (but loads fast and is only 4 pages)

12. catnip - 6 June 2010

“Obamatrons” – that’s a good name for them. You can’t call them Obamabots at dkos anymore without getting troll-rated. The “unBush”.

unBush and the Obamatrons – good band name…

13. catnip - 6 June 2010

Propaganda fail

The Israel Defense Force Spokesperson’s Unit released a clarification on Saturday regarding an audio recording on which passengers of a Gaza aid flotilla ship can be heard telling IDF soldiers to “Go back to Auschwitz” and that they are “helping Arabs go against the U.S., don’t forget 9/11.”

Questions have arisen regarding the authenticity of the recording, which was released by the IDF on Friday after clashes aboard the flotilla’s largest ship, the Mavi Marmara, left 9 Turkish activists dead and dozens hurt last Monday.

In its clarification, the IDF explained that the audio recording was edited to reduce long periods of silence and to eliminate incomprehensible comments. The IDF further clarified that though the recording was originally attributed to passengers aboard the Mavi Marmara, due to “an open channel, the specific ship or ships in the Freedom Flotilla responding to the Israeli Navy could not be identified.”


14. catnip - 6 June 2010
15. catnip - 6 June 2010

I imagine this will make headlines today: Thad Allen on This Week, “This is a war”.

ORLY? (as the kids say)

marisacat - 6 June 2010

yeah i had it on…………….. Thad is going to tough it out. 😆

catnip - 6 June 2010

John Kerry pronounces “Hamas” “hummus”.

Yes, they’re a dip, John.

marisacat - 6 June 2010

Jake is a bit on fire today………………

Oh Kerry. What to say…………………..

catnip - 6 June 2010

kos is The Invisible Panelist.

ts - 6 June 2010

Oh, I’ve got some in the refrigerator!


ts - 6 June 2010

Another unwinnable war, fought by our military who is the only group ever to be put in charge of anything any more. Natural disaster? Send in the troops!

16. diane - 6 June 2010

Oh my:

Rep. Sherman: Prosecute U.S. Citizens involved with Gaza Flotilla
June 4th, 2010
Ali Gharib

On a press call hosted by a pro-Israel organization, Rep. Brad Sherman, Democrat of California, told reporters that he intends seek the prosecution of any U.S. citizens who were aboard or involved with the Freedom Flotilla.

“The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 [PDF] makes it absolutely illegal for any American to give food, money, school supplies, paper clips, concrete or weapons to Hamas or any of its officials,” Sherman said on the Israel Project call, conflating Hamas and Gaza’s civilian population. “And so I will be asking the Attorney General to prosecute any American involved in what was clearly an effort to give items of value to a terrorist organization.”

Sherman also said that he plans on working with the Department of Homeland Security to make sure that any non-U.S. citizen involved with or aboard the Flotilla are excluded from entering the U.S.

Hamas, considered a foreign terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department, won Palestinian parliamentary elections in 2006 and has held de facto rule over the Gaza Strip since it took the area by force in 2007 in anticipation of an impending U.S.-backed coup d’etat by the rival Fatah faction.


The blockade and the land siege (by Israel and Egypt) have, by international consensus (leaving out Israel and its hard-line American allies) caused a humanitarian crisis among Gaza’s civilian population.

The Congressman, known as a pro-Israel stalwart who has, in the past, joined as the sole Democrat on Republican criticisms of Obama’s foreign policy toward Israel, denied that there was a “hunger crisis” or “humanitarian crisis” in the Gaza Strip. “The health circumstances in Gaza are better than they are in many American cities,” he added later.

Read more

I see Sherman (D – 27th District/San Fernando Valley, CA) didn’t bother to post his intent on his official website, for his constituents as of yet.

(hat tip to Raw Story, which also informs:

Activists: Israeli boat raiders had ‘assassination list’

and Texas senator [Cornyn] defends Israel over killing of US activist)

diane - 6 June 2010

Corrected link for:

“The Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 [PDF]
(in the second paragraph)

17. diane - 6 June 2010

Flotilla raid diary: ‘A man is shot. I am seeing it happen

‘The prize-winning writer and creator of Wallander was among those on board the Gaza flotilla. Here he shares his private diary of the events leading to his capture….

marisacat - 6 June 2010

Before I fell asleep, I had that open, just starting it at Daily Beast… and boy he comments are UGLY.

Hasbara workers must be on full alert…

diane - 6 June 2010

Do you have the link for that one close by? There aren’t comments for the Guardian> piece I linked to.

marisacat - 6 June 2010

I had it still open… Herman Mankell’s Flotilla Diary at Daily Beast

I had only read page 1, then dropped down to see what the comments were like. Then fell into sleep…

diane - 6 June 2010

thanks hon! and yeah, quite a few ugly comments ……….

18. diane - 6 June 2010
19. marisacat - 6 June 2010

Catching a segment on, of all things, Jon Meacham’s show… PBS had a camera going along with a Mother Jones young reporter, trying to get back onto a Wildlife Refuge beach (and thus public land) called Elmer’s Island near Grand Island La.

Going down a single road that leads to the turn off to the refuge, the sheriff were parked at th entrance, turned her back, tellingher she needed to get a pass to goto the beach. Who do you get the pass from?

BP. Who else.

She is told it will take two days.

The segment is ongoing so … I will see if she gets it. She did show horrble huge thick patches of oil on Grand Island… inches thick and large.

diane - 6 June 2010

Insanity. Seems like that should leave the government open for a lawsuit, if they’re following orders from BP.

marisacat - 6 June 2010

they clearly are… NOW I am wondering if the show returns to her … it needs a finale…

They went to a naturalist who said the problem is letting BP run everything. Which is what Naomi Klein said is happening. BP is allowed to act as tho the oil and the land where it makes landfall is their jurisdiction.

BTW, the thick large heavy surfacing of oil the young reporter showed is on the beach where Obby was a few days ago.

they have already said he won’t be back there this coming week…. I would guess they are relying on his meeting iwththe families of the 11 dead at the WH on Thursday to cover his need to be a good boy this week.

It is so galling. I think he should justwear a BP emblazoned work shirt. Maybe they have a bowling league he can join…

I see an article at LATims that the oil has now overrun a pelican rookery…

marisacat - 6 June 2010

LA Times (and they link to a further report, I think Greenpeace, which of course has been defanged over recent years. Also they link back all thru the report…)

[T]he New York Daily News this week quoted an unidentified cleanup worker alleging that BP has ordered its contractors not to publicize the plight of oiled birds. “There is a lot of coverup for BP,” he said, according to the News. “They specifically informed us that they don’t want these pictures of the dead animals. They know the ocean will wipe away most of the evidence.”

The worker toured Queen Bess Island with the reporter, saying, “It’s important to me that people know the truth about what’s going on here. The things I’ve seen: They just aren’t right. All the life out here is just full of oil. I’m going to show you what BP never showed the president.” According to the News, shoreline grasses were littered with tarred marine life, some dead and others struggling under a thick coating of crude.

A BP spokesman denied any effort to conceal environmental damage, noting that BP has organized press tours to the spill zone.

On Thursday, Times staff writer Tina Susman traveled with a group of three dozen wildlife rescuers operating from a houseboat 35 miles off Louisiana’s shore, as they searched for oil-slicked birds. “This has the potential to be a huge ecological disaster,” biologist Haven Barnhill told her. The search is brutally challenging: Temperatures soar into the 90s and the expanse covers tens of thousands of square miles of open water.

Satellite images narrow the search field, but the effort still comes down to a biologist spotting a small, flailing victim through binoculars. Read Susman’s report here.

diane - 6 June 2010

I’m wondering exactly how that works, who calls the Sheriff’s Office and tells them that BP is control on Public Property, and who called the party that called the Sheriff’s Office, and so on?

Sounds like it wasn’t just local government, sounds like the order came from a higher office cause I’d imagine the employees at the Sherrif’s office have a lot of personal friends losing their shirts right now, and might be prone to ‘disobey’ that BP order if they could.

marisacat - 6 June 2010

well I think it is like CG being the one to detain the workers off the rig… for up to almost two days. Not even identifed to the workers as CG, the men thought it ws BP staff…

The official sotry is that the WH dispatched CG to the area a day after the blowout, but obviouisly they were there and available to BP immediately. meaning Gulf waters CG, who no doubt interact with large corps like BP every day.

That is how I see it…

CG, who are dotted around the country as much to guard against us, the population, as anything else… and the Feds and BP know who runs this country…

Obby is just a useful handiwipe in the back pocket of the big corps. One of the reasons his even running royally, the Dmocrats holding hgim up as some household god sent to us… pissed me off was NO FUCKING POLITICAL MACHINE.

I don’t hve to like machine politics (I live in a machine town, the remnants of the “[Pat] Brown [Phil] Burton” machine) to know yu have no personal power without one.

Which was the problem with La Kerry as well. He has lived off the dregs of the Kennedy machine his ENTIRE FUCKING FAKE POLITICAL LIFE.

That is my most hated sort of politician. And Barry is even more lame than Kerry, which is saying a lot.

diane - 6 June 2010

Wonder if any of the hideous shenanigans have anything to do with the history behind BP (under one of it’s prior logos) being primarily behind the US ousting of a Democratic Government in Iran in 1953.

marisacat - 6 June 2010

well with our invasion of Iraq, BP, Persian Anglo oil was back in Iraq for the first time in 37 years. I would assume representatives of the major corps due oto profit were n the first wave into whereever they wanted to be, North, or Baghdad, or south, Basra, or the mouth of the Gulf, where the oil is offloaded. Or Western desert…

OOPS 😳 well of course that was Anglo-Persian Oil and not the other way ’round.

diane - 6 June 2010

And then, kind of like Halliburton and KBR, they apparently, recently sold their majority interest in that Caspian Pipeline, (well, ……. at least, ….. their ”on the books” “interest”

diane - 6 June 2010

CG, who are dotted around the country as much to guard against us, the population, as anything else… and the Feds and BP know who runs this country…


20. diane - 6 June 2010

Apropos of my subjective opinion (and yeah I might be quite insane), many times I’m ‘bewildered’ at some of the “top clicks” that show in the sidebar, since in my experience, those who read and post here, do have a great, if bleak, sense of humor, and a desire gor the innocent and wonderful, but are more prone to click on the serious, and more current links, than the bleak humor links and fairly old links.

Of course, since my trust has been thoroughly shattered in the US government, my thought is that there are OPS, likely even NSA bots, gaming the tubes, all over the place, as a select handful of hideous “mental health” creeps,” have done tons of whitepapers on effecting the little peep’s opinions.

diane - 6 June 2010

..oopsy, “for,” not “gor”…

diane - 6 June 2010

that’s not to say at all, that anyone should waste their precious time trying to ungame those links, especially since, if they are bots, there is no likely chance, of ungaming them ….in my little opinion …just say what ya think is right, most little peeps can at least get a little inkling, even if somewhat intermittent, in the every day, horror of their lives, of being gamed ………..

21. marisacat - 6 June 2010



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