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Fog City 8 June 2010

Posted by marisacat in California / Pacific Coast, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, San Francisco, The Battle for New Orleans.

Tip of Golden Gate bridge is seen

The tip of the Golden Gate bridge is seen above a blanket of fog in a view from Crissy Field in San Francisco Thursday, June 3, 2010.… (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)

After three years of extra hot, airless, heat wave plagued and ‘burn baby burn’ summers, our natural summertime fog is back.

Better than a picture of another suffering bird… or clueless pol.


So, do you trust BP or your lyin’ eyes?  😆

Some scientists are taking issue with BP’s statement that a containment cap placed over a gushing well could be capturing “the vast majority” of oil spewing into the Gulf of Mexico.

They suggest it’s misleading, if not irresponsible, to make such a statement when the company has acknowledged it doesn’t know how much oil is flowing from the busted well, or how much the spill rate has increased since engineers cut a riser pipe so it could properly fit the containment cap.

I don’t see that as being a credible claim,” said Steve Wereley, associate professor of mechanical engineering at Purdue University and a member of the Flow Rate Technical Group, a national panel of scientists and engineers tasked with determining the spill size.

Well whoops… and here the so called gubmint crew is just picking different numbers than what the BP crew passes out.

Anyone? … to believe?  Anywhere? 

And yes let’s peek at the on-paper version of WCS (worst case scenario):

Worst-case scenario?

Leifer said based on the data he’s seen so far, the rate of flow from the broken well has increase since the initial April 20 explosion at the Deepwater Horizon rig, which killed 11 workers. He believes BP’s decision last week to sever the well’s damaged riser pipe in order to install the containment cap has increased the flow by far more than the 20 percent BP and government officials had predicted.

In fact, Leifer says, the well may be spewing what BP had called before the spill its worst-case scenario — as much as 100,000 barrels a day from a freely flowing pipe. [that is easy math, 420,000 gallons a day!  42 gallons to the barrel!  -Mcat]

He said he’s seen no evidence from BP to date that would be inconsistent from that dire scenario.

Judging by live undersea videos, “it looks like a freely flowing pipe,” Leifer said. “From what it looks like right now it suggests to me they’re capturing a negligible fraction.”

It’s unclear how much oil is still escaping because scientists don’t have access to enough data and the video feeds show a “disorganized cloud” of oil shooting out of open vents in the containment cap and between the riser and the cap, Wereley said.

“It’s very difficult to judge flow rates from these multiple sources,” he said. “My position is that the claims (of capturing the ‘vast majority’ of oil) cannot be made because the flow is too complicated.”

It’s complicated alright… complicated with thieves and murderers.




1. marisacat - 8 June 2010

Spirit of Dunkirk, given to the wrong side.

June 08, 2010

Dept. of awkward historical analogies

Gov. Charlie Crist today said Florida is at war with the BP oil spill and that there is a Normandy invasion coming to “our coasts,” Florida political writer Gary Fineout reports, and asks:

“Does this mean oil will win?

Posted by Ben Smith 02:33 PM

Madman in the Marketplace - 8 June 2010

does every fucking thing need to be a ‘war’?

it almost makes me miss the fucking sports metaphors.

marisacat - 8 June 2010

Once Thad Allen called it a “war” we were sunk. Of course it means Obby will lose a big war on the Homeland.

Maybe they did nto think of that…

Heather-Rose Ryan - 8 June 2010

Well it would be nice if they got the history correct. People are so incredibly ignorant nowadays.

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 June 2010

I guess our Border Patrol decided not to let the Israelis have all the fun killing children:

US Border Patrol union rep: It’s okay to shoot Mexican kids who throw stones

According to the NPR News piece, the union rep for Border Patrol agents says it is alright for agents to shoot Mexican children who throw rocks at them.

*** snip ***

The child’s body was found on the Ciudad Juarez side of the fence. By all accounts available at the time of this blog post, he never crossed over on to the US side, and was not attempting to do so. He was unarmed, and he was shot in the head. Sergio Adrian Hernández was his name.

catnip - 8 June 2010

That’s horrendous.

marisacat - 8 June 2010

I caught a nasty report today on Russia Today… apparently Israel is regularly deproting children of immigrants, illegals of course, but the children are born there.

Just lve how the countries all trade the same ideas back and forth. Lots of talk now in Cali that citizenship should nto be automatic with born here…

I have to say, not that illegals have wide choices but going to Israel, if I were a black Nigerian (the man profiled in the report), would nto be high on my list… and the part with the Nigerian father saying he and his kids love Israel.

Stop the world… i want to get off………

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 June 2010
catnip - 8 June 2010

lol..that reminded me of this.

Madman in the Marketplace - 8 June 2010


4. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 June 2010
marisacat - 8 June 2010

.. as a plan it is moving right along… A couple of months ago we closed the downtown square, Union Sq, and locked people inside department stores, Macy’s, Neiman’s etc., closing the major streets leading to the square. Went on for hours.

catnip - 8 June 2010

That’s the DHS’ secret “Forced Shopping Program” to help boost the economy.

marisacat - 8 June 2010

oh I had not thought of that!!… me I would jsut head to the champagne bar…

It probably makes me some kind of condemned sinner but I landed at Austin air port the day R—–n was shot, we immediately went to the small bizarre bar there and ordered champagne.

5. catnip - 8 June 2010

Ark 49% in

Lincoln 51%
Halter 49%

catnip - 8 June 2010

Oh – it just flipped around. Same numbers.

marisacat - 8 June 2010

sheis keeping a small lead, think it was 2.6

catnip - 8 June 2010

Lifted this from dkos:

Update I: It appears that Halter’s brief surge was the result of a clerical error, so it’s not really back and forth. With 64.2% in, Lincoln is up 51.2% to 48.8% over Halter.

Update II: Lincoln at 51.3% with 65.6% in.

6. catnip - 8 June 2010

Watching Anderson Cooper who interviewed one of the independent scientists tasked with measuring the flow of the gusher, Ira Leifer. BP just released hi-res video TODAY so they can actually figure out how much is coming out. And we’re supposed to believe that Obamalama is on top of this why, again?

7. marisacat - 8 June 2010

USA Today Worst Case Scenario, Best Case report… along the way it mentions that the white sand beach in the Panhandle is the longest stretch of sugar beach in the naion… and teh stand of sea grass, a nursery for all sorts of life, in that area one of the largest in the nation.

[F]or sea turtles, for example, the spill is a threat to their existence in the Gulf. There were 225 strandings of sea turtles in the Gulf in May, up from the typical May average of 35. Of those 225, the vast majority were dead, he reports.

“Humpty Dumpty has already fallen,” Inkley says. “I believe there will be impacts in the Gulf for decades to come.”

Felicia Coleman, who directs the Florida State University Coastal and Marine Laboratory in St. Teresa, notes that the “big bend” of Florida from Panama City to Tampa is one of the largest stands of sea grass in the United States. Those grasses contain probably the largest hatcheries and nursery ground for fisheries in the Gulf of Mexico, Coleman says.

“One of the last pristine, most biologically diverse coastal habitats in the country is about to get wiped out. And there’s not much we can do about it,” she says. …snip…

I see the Obster is coming back, going to the Gulf for a 2 day break, Monday and Tuesday. Maybe he should book a suite, bring the wif and kids and the dog. Make it a mini vaca at the beach.

Take load off, he works so hard.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 June 2010

Short jokes:

BREAKING: White House condemns Helen Thomas as “reprehensible” for calling for ethnic cleansing without being Foreign Minister of Israel

9. ts - 8 June 2010

hey did everyone go vote?


I do know people that went to polls in CA and said it was so dead you could hear crickets chirping…at 5:30. Turnout around 10%-ish according to the local NPR feed mill.

Staying out of this one. Not even enough energy to throw my vote away on a third party candidate.

catnip - 8 June 2010

I didn’t even know until today that Orly Taitz was running. ( I don’t pay attention to her craziness.)

marisacat - 8 June 2010

NOBODY out here would talk about it… I don’t see her able to win, the current Dmocrat in the SofS office is very popular…

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 June 2010

Balloon Juice puts up the context around Helen’s comment, released now that they’ve run her off:

Q: Any advice for these young people over here for starting out in the press corps?

Thomas: Go for it. You’ll never be unhappy. You’ll always keep people informed, you’ll always keep learning. The greatest thing of the profession is you’ll never stop learning.

Q: Today they are covering the Jewish Heritage Month.

Thomas: … and meet the President.

A: Any comments on Israel? We’re asking everyone today, any comments on..

Thomas: Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine.

Q: Oooh. Any better comments?

Thomas: Remember, these people are occupied, and it’s their land. It’s not German and it’s not Poland.

Q: So where should they go, what should they do?

Thomas: They can go home.

Q: Where is home?

Thomas: Poland. Germany.

Q: So you are saying Jews should go back to Poland?

Thomas: And America and everywhere else. Why push people out who have lived their for centuries? See?

Q: Now, are you familiar with the history of that region and what took place?

Thomas: Very much. I’m of Arab background.

{It goes on for a little while with friendly banter about languages they both speak with words I can not even begin to spell.}

Q: Thank you.

Thomas: All the best to you (directed at the Jewish students). Go for it- go for journalism, you’ll never regret it.

marisacat - 8 June 2010

and the ones with the flip camera were the SON of the Rabbi and a friend of his. The Rabbi put it up on You Tube where it got no attention. So he passed it to Breitbart.

I am going ot say that like ACORN, this was a bi partisan take down. [don’t need no stinkin’ poor black people, dn’t need no inconvenient old wimmens]

Madman in the Marketplace - 8 June 2010

agreed … the donks are only too happy to help the Republicans and media get rid of inconvenient and unwanted “others” who make it hard to be a good centrist.

Heather-Rose Ryan - 8 June 2010

Poor Helen Thomas. Such a remarkable career and then to get sandbagged like that.

11. catnip - 8 June 2010


MSNBC calls it for Lincoln.

I seriously need to buy lottery tickets…

marisacat - 8 June 2010

oh can I invest in your spideyness????

I did nto think she would pull it off..

catnip - 8 June 2010

Neither did I. I’m as surprised as anyone…

12. BooHooHooMan - 8 June 2010

Of course, now that it’s off the radar ….the Swiss scuttle
the USB Bank Disclosure Agreement that bought a few cheap headlines a while back for the Crim Div at DoJ
(A Goldman Sachs Synagogue™) …

But there is HOPE! “Hope” the Swiss Gov says of still honoring the “landmark deal” despite its lower House rejection. I wonder how much THOSE reps got paid in the mix…
Welp. Here’s the jolly article:

Swiss Lawmakers Reject UBS Tax Deal
Published: June 8, 2010

PARIS — The lower house of the Swiss Parliament voted Tuesday to reject a deal with the United States to transfer bank data from 4,450 American clients of UBS suspected of tax evasion, calling into question the future of the carefully negotiated agreement.

UBS, the largest Swiss bank, is trying to end a tax conflict with the U.S. Department of Justice that has already cost it $780 million in fines over charges that it helped Americans avoid billions of dollars in taxes.

The Swiss agreed with the United States last August to disclose the names and account details to put an end to prosecution that has weighed on both UBS and the Swiss financial markets, and to end what they described as a “fishing expedition” for details on 52,000 accounts. But the government had to take the matter to Parliament in February after a court said the agreement violated national laws governing banking secrecy.

Under Swiss law, tax fraud is a criminal offense, while tax evasion is a civil matter, a distinction not shared by the United States and most other countries.

Lawmakers in the lower house, the National Council, rejected the deal Tuesday by a margin of 104-76, with 16 abstentions. They also voted to send the measure to a referendum if necessary.

The Council of State, the upper house, last week voted in favor of the deal and against a referendum. The two houses will begin Wednesday to try to reconcile their differences. They have until June 18 to reach agreement before the end of the parliamentary session.

The Swiss government is hoping it can honor an August deadline to hand over the client data.

Parties on both the left and right have sought to tie the UBS case with broader financial reforms, particularly in the areas of so-called too-big-to-fail institutions, banker bonuses and market regulation. That appeared to be the reason the vote failed Tuesday, as both the People’s Party and the Social Democrats — the two largest parties — opposed the measure.

Serge Steiner, a UBS spokesman in Zurich, declined to comment, noting that the final vote on the matter was yet to come.

Shares of UBS fell 2.7 percent in Zurich morning trading. They are down more than 10 percent this year.

Same bullshit everywhere.

Hmm. I rubbernecked this at HuffPo. Gotta Love Bernie, tho.

Bernie Madoff: “F–k My Victims”

I mean what WERE those people thinking?
Investing with a Jew from New York and all. LOL. Oops!
Anyways, HuffPo is teeing up a NY Mag do-tell ostensibly about Bernie, but it reeks of Munchhausen’s to me…:

According to a lengthy new piece by Steve Fishman in New York magazine, Madoff, who apparently pals around with a former mob boss and a spy in a federal prison in Butner, North Carolina told a fellow inmante, “F— my victims. I carried them for twenty years, and now I’m doing 150 years.”

Madoff, whose con artist bona fides seems to have turned some fellow inmates into “groupies,” even indicated to other prisoners that some of his victims actually deserved to have their money taken from them. Overall, Madoff comes off as cocksure, unrepentant and a bit miffed at the world.

It’s all very jailhouse snitch , but there’s a tid that Bernie got knocked around. Broken nose, the ribs, etc.

The idea that Madoff “carried” his investors or those in his employ, was echoed by earlier comments he reportedly made to another prisoner. Late last year, the Wall Street Journal reported that Madoff told Kenneth C. White, a convicted bank robber, that he “carried” his employees for years and felt that they had turned their back on him.”

In December, Madoff reportedly suffered a broken nose and fractured ribs in a prison fight. (It was initially reported that Madoff fell out of bed.)

Pfft. The whole thing stinks. IMO opinion, its an article to prompt obligatory sympathy for his put upon “victims”, thousands of whom were willing participants in tax fraud and money laundering, then leveraging that coin into bogus balance sheets which were used to beat the banks. Alllllllll bullshit to me. As is the plucking on liberalish heartstrings that the guy is some Robin Hood. Not to mention the Poor Bernie meme: he’s getting his ass kicked in prison. Yeh well, Fuck him AND the greedy shits whining about how the lost all their stuff. Free and fair markets, baby. Unbridled Capitalism. Them’s the breaks.

marisacat - 8 June 2010

OBvioiusly the Swiss missed the famous Cairo speech. Otherwise they would be helping Ob.

marisacat - 8 June 2010

In December, Madoff reportedly suffered a broken nose and fractured ribs in a prison fight. (It was initially reported that Madoff fell out of bed.)

Madoff ws fairly badly beaten… and at the premier Club Fed prison in the nation. I don’t think t was just because some other CLub Fed member disliked him or what he did…

13. catnip - 8 June 2010

Jon Stewart is taking some good swipes at Obamalama tonite.

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 June 2010
15. marisacat - 8 June 2010

ugh I failed math for a reason.. I JUST realised my minor math in the post … that 100,000 barels a day is 420,000 gallons at 42 gallons to the barrel.

Oh no……….. it would be 4.2 million gallons a day.

16. marisacat - 8 June 2010


I suppose this could be why he is going back. As the scientists line up to question anyhing that BP says. Anything at all.

BP Expresses Extreme Confidence About Latest Leak Fix, Says Flow Will Slow To A “Trickle”

Joe Weisenthal | Jun. 8, 2010, 8:33 PM | 1,263 | 9

Let’s hope this is true.


A top BP executive says the company expects to be capturing virtually all the oil leaking from the Gulf floor by early next week.

Chief operating officer Doug Suttles told The Associated Press on Tuesday in Gulf Shores, Ala., that the flow should decrease “to a relative trickle” by Monday or Tuesday.

President Barack Obama plans to visit the region the same days.

Suttles says a second pumping ship should improve the process. And he says a new containment cap being built will seal better and reduce leakage.

Read more: Business Insider link

17. Heather-Rose Ryan - 8 June 2010
marisacat - 8 June 2010

oh that gave me a laugh…

“There’s no one that wants this thing over with more than I do,” he added a week later, just absolutely defying belief with the thickest, most dangerous bullshit yet. “I’d like my life back.”

Millions of Americans reported feeling ill and disoriented upon contact with that particularly vile plume of bullshit.

Many environmentalists, including Palmer, have called for a boycott of BP until the bullshit stops or is at least under control, but they emphasize that in the long term, Americans will have to change their habits if they wish to avoid future catastrophes.

“We must all work together if we’re going to cure our nation of this addiction,” Palmer said. “The sad fact is, the United States has been running on bullshit for decades.”

Heather-Rose Ryan - 9 June 2010

I loved it!

18. marisacat - 8 June 2010


Oil spill makes it vital to keep morale up in Gulf region – USA Today

19. marisacat - 8 June 2010

Cali passed wht is called Prop 14 tonight… due for challenges but a big change nonetheless… the state did away with partisan primaries for state elections.

Vote on a list, top 2 face off in the november elections. Which might be of the same party.

Geesh who knows how it will go. Not go. Melt… whatever.

marisacat - 8 June 2010


Over the opposition of political pros, California voters approved Proposition 14, which allows voters to choose any candidate in a primary election regardless of party affiliation and sets the stage for the top two vote-getters to face each other in the general election.

The results gave Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger a rare political victory in his stormy, seven years as governor. He had publicly demanded its passage, calling it a critical reform measure that was long overdue, and staked political capital on its outcome. His well-heeled backers — including the members of his corporate “Dream Team” – financed the lion’s share of the proponents’ nearly $5 million campaign.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat and former leader of the state Democratic Party, urged Californians to reject Proposition 14. But voters paid her little heed, approving the measure by about 60 percent to 40 percent in early returns, a decisive margin that held throughout the evening.

20. catnip - 8 June 2010
catnip - 8 June 2010

From The Department of What Else is New?:

Kucinich: ‘We may be funding our own killers in Afghanistan’

New slogan: “We have to pay for them to kill us over there so we don’t pay for them to kill us over here”…or something…

21. marisacat - 9 June 2010



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