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Nobody is happy… 15 June 2010

Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, 2012 Re Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, The Battle for New Orleans, UK.

Crude oil from washes ashore in Orange Beach, Alabama, where swimming is banned [AP – Daily Mail]

Not surprisingly.  Except whoever is both far away and managing to  make money off this…

The New Orleans Times-Picayune tonight:

“This region that has known a lot of hardship will bounce back just as it has done before,” Obama said during a visit to Theodore, Ala., Monday afternoon.

“I am confident that we are going to leave the Gulf Coast better off than it was before.”

They’re bouncing balls, a quick hot shower and bounce right back.


I have Charlie Rose on with Tapper and Al Hunt. 

Rose:  What happened to these Masters of Communcation and Control!??? 

Correction, Charlie said, Masters of Communication and Understanding.

and a while later,

Hunt:  They were just slow, this wasn’t part of their game plan!!  But I don’t think anything they did not do made things worse.




1. marisacat - 15 June 2010

I got onto this via lambert at corrente… Naked Capitalism tracks back thru the weeks the various speculation that the well and maybe the casing is damaged beneath the sea floor.

Very depressing. It keeps cropping up, and I remember when Bill Nelson popped up with it… that rose a bit higher.. and I have read if that is true, if it cannot be capped, it simply flows til it is done. And apparently BP hit a big well here.

lambert was led to NC from this comment at The Oil Drum:


” … told me early on that it is likely the entire reserve will bleed out. Unfortunately none of them could say with any certainty just how much oil is in the reserve in question because, for one thing, the oil industry and secrecy have always been synonymous. According to BP data from about five years ago, there are four separate reservoirs containing a total of 2.5 billion barrels (barrels not gallons). One of the reservoirs has 1.5 billion barrels. I saw an earlier post here quoting an Anadarko Petroleum report which set the total amount at 2.3 billion barrels. One New York Times article put it at 2 billion barrels.

If the BP data correctly or honestly identified four separate reservoirs then a bleed-out might gush less than 2 to 2.5 billion barrels unless the walls — as it were — fracture or partially collapse. I am hearing the same dark rumors which suggest fracturing and a complete bleed-out are already underway.

Rumors also suggest a massive collapse of the Gulf floor itself is in the making. “

In case everyone wasn’t scared enough already.

The comment at Oil Drum is hard to find, my computer did not deliver me to the comment, tho the link makes it look as tho it would.

It’s long. In part the commenter says that he thinks that BP has known from the time they shut down Top Kill and neither Obby nor Thad Allen knew… they both blithely referred to on oging operations during the undisclosed 16 hour shut down.

The comment is posted by “dougr” at 3:17 am on June 13, in case anyone wants to read the whole.


marisacat - 15 June 2010

Some more from the Oil Drum “dougr” comment:

[T]his down hole leak will undermine the foundation of the seabed in and around the well area. It also weakens the only thing holding up the massive Blow Out Preventer’s immense bulk of 450 tons. In fact?…we are beginning to the results of the well’s total integrity beginning to fail due to the undermining being caused by the leaking well bore.

The first layer of the sea floor in the gulf is mostly lose material of sand and silt. It doesn’t hold up anything and isn’t meant to, what holds the entire subsea system of the Bop in place is the well itself. The very large steel connectors of the initial well head “spud” stabbed in to the sea floor. The Bop literally sits on top of the pipe and never touches the sea bed, it wouldn’t do anything in way of support if it did. After several tens of feet the seabed does begin to support the well connection laterally (side to side) you couldn’t put a 450 ton piece of machinery on top of a 100′ tall pipe “in the air” and subject it to the side loads caused by the ocean currents and expect it not to bend over…unless that pipe was very much larger than the machine itself, which you all can see it is not. The well’s piping in comparison is actually very much smaller than the Blow Out Preventer and strong as it may be, it relies on some support from the seabed to function and not literally fall over…and it is now showing signs of doing just that….falling over.

If you have been watching the live feed cams you may have noticed that some of the ROVs are using an inclinometer…and inclinometer is an instrument that measures “Incline” or tilt. The BOP is not supposed to be tilting…and after the riser clip off operation it has begun to…

marisacat - 15 June 2010

hmm At the end of the comment he quotes from and links from a comment at God Like Productions

I am including some bits from that comment:

I used to cover the energy business (oil, gas and alternative) here in Texas, and the few experts in the oil field — including geologists, chemists, etc. — able or willing to even speak of this BP event told me early on that it is likely the entire reserve will bleed out. Unfortunately none of them could say with any certainty just how much oil is in the reserve in question because, for one thing, the oil industry and secrecy have always been synonymous.

All oilmen lie about everything. The stories one hears about the extent to which they will protect themselves are all understatements. BP employees are already taking The Fifth before grand juries, and attorneys are laying a path for company executives to make a run for it.

matie - 15 June 2010

This is what I have been thinking all along:

“Rumors also suggest a massive collapse of the Gulf floor itself is in the making. “”

And everytime I go there, I get so depressed. Thinking that I am being an alarmist. It’s so scary that someone else has come to the same conclusions.

I have been watching the earthquake website. And wondering when the large faults will begin to move. With less lubrication from oil, they could move much more abruptly.

We have played with fire one too many times.

As with any deepsea drilling effort, there are risks – including the potential for a blowout in the relief wells just like what happened in April. BP said in a filing that if a relief well were to blow out, each could spew 250,000 gallons more crude into the Gulf’s waters each day – and force engineers to try to plug a new, separate leak.

HuffPo link

2. marisacat - 15 June 2010

In case anyone needs a laugh.

Tiger is having a presser today.

ts - 15 June 2010

If there is anyone who is having more useless press conferences than Obama it is Tiger.

catnip - 15 June 2010

Which presser will get more eyeballs? That is the question. 😉

3. Heather-Rose Ryan - 15 June 2010

Something to cheer you:

6-story Jesus statue in Ohio struck by lightning

A six-story-tall statue of Jesus Christ with his arms raised along a highway was struck by lightning in a thunderstorm Monday night and burned to the ground, police said.

Maybe there is a God after all.

marisacat - 15 June 2010

I see it was called “Touchdown Jesus”.

What a hoot!!

Heather-Rose Ryan - 15 June 2010

Also “Quicksand Jesus” because it looked as if Jesus was half-submerged in the lake and reaching up for help.

A preposterous piece of kitsch.

marisacat - 15 June 2010

Yes the posture was sooo soo dramatic! Held the rubes spellbound, I am sure.

Madman in the Marketplace - 15 June 2010

the idiot minister said that Jesus attracted the lightning to save the church … and of course said something like “He SAVED us again!” or some such tripe.

Heather-Rose Ryan - 15 June 2010

Really?? Wow. People are weird. Some moreso than others.

4. catnip - 15 June 2010

Petraeus faints at a senate hearing

(It’s John McCain’s fault!)

Gen. David H. Petraeus, the commander of U.S. forces in the Middle East, fell ill at the witness table during a Senate hearing Tuesday and had to be escorted from the room. He later returned and agreed to continue testifying Wednesday.

Petraeus was listening to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) express concern about the direction of the U.S. war effort in Afghanistan when he appeared to faint. Aides immediately rushed to help him, and he was led out of the hearing room.

Heather-Rose Ryan - 15 June 2010

What a tough guy.

catnip - 15 June 2010

Too much hot air – from all sides.

marisacat - 15 June 2010

Fog of war…

Madman in the Marketplace - 15 June 2010

he was upset that he had to look someone in the eye, would rather testify via drone.

5. undercoveragain - 15 June 2010


Scientists Warn Gulf Of Mexico Sea Floor Fractured Beyond Repair

Worth reading.

6. marisacat - 15 June 2010

gah. Anything that can go wrong will go wrong…

BP: Ship fire halts oil capture from well in Gulf

By RAY HENRY (AP) – 59 minutes ago

NEW ORLEANS — A bolt of lightning struck the ship capturing oil from a blown-out BP well in the Gulf of Mexico on Tuesday, igniting a fire that halted containment efforts in another setback for the embattled company in its nearly two-month struggle to stop the spill, the company said.

The fire was quickly extinguished and no one was injured. BP said it hopes to resume containing oil from the well sometime Tuesday afternoon.

The fire occurred on the Discoverer Enterprise, where engineers are siphoning about 630,000 gallons of oil a day through a cap on top of the well.

“At the moment, there’s no capture, no containment going on, but we’ll start up the Enterprise when it’s safe to do so,” BP spokesman Robert Wine said.


The company said it would use robotic submarines to survey the entire containment system, including the cap over the well, for possible damage from the fire. The fire occurred in a vent pipe leading from a tank on the Enterprise where processed oil is stored, Wine said.

Louisiana has been hit with several storms and lightning strikes in the past day

Madman in the Marketplace - 15 June 2010

too bad Touchdown Jeebus wasn’t there to save them.

marisacat - 15 June 2010

I guess his arms just didn’t reach far enuf.

7. marisacat - 15 June 2010


The New York Times should be published in crayon

It’s about a looney (what else is new) Brooks column on oil cos. In which he apparently is unable to use search facility on the computer.

No one is surprised.

(oh gee, 2 hours to Blast Off.. See you in the Oval!!)

8. marisacat - 15 June 2010

I see Dr Ott was on Keith O…. per Business Insider. I will look at MESSNBC and see if the transcript is up. Embedded vid at the link.

Dr. Ott explained that volunteers walking the beaches at night find carcasses of birds, turtles, and baby dolphins that, once found, are “disappeared” by men that drive on the beach with flashlights within minutes of their discovery. She also alleges that BP is using technology to disrupt cellphone and email communication at spill sites to suppress images and evidence. snip

Read more: Link

There is a stronger accusation floating, that BP workers are killing and removing oiled and ailing creatures. It was at HuffPo.

I saw reference to it but avoided it… only take so much and no more.

marisacat - 15 June 2010

I see this is Dr Riki Ott… well she should know. She was in Exxon Valdez mess.. and has been down in the Gulf, doing seminars and lectures on what to expect from BP.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 June 2010

btw, that pic riding up top is horrifying.

marisacat - 15 June 2010

Isn’t it?

The Daily Mail article had AP photos I have not seen before…

Madman in the Marketplace - 15 June 2010

it really slaps you in the face with how much oil is in that water …

10. marisacat - 15 June 2010

Jason Flaherty in C Punch:

[S]itting on a church pew, Theresa said they had met with indigenous natives from Alaska who discussed their experience in the aftermath of the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill.

“We don’t know how long we’ll be without fishing,” said Theresa. “It was 17 years before they could get shrimp.” And, she noted bitterly, this disaster is already much larger than the Valdez, with no end in sight.

BP has promised payouts to those who lose work from the oil, but few trust the company to make good on their promise, and even if they did, they doubt any settlement could make up for what will be lost. “It doesn’t matter how much money they give you,” says Theresa. “If we don’t have our shrimp, fish, crabs and oysters.”

“It’s not just a way of life, its our food,” she added. “It’s the loss of our livelihood and culture.”

The anxiety that Theresa expresses is also increasingly common in New Orleans, a city whose culture is inextricably linked to the Gulf. “How do you deal with this hemorrhaging in the bottom of the Gulf that seems endless?”….

As the oil continues to flow, people feel both helpless and apocalyptic; depressed and angered. Residents who have just rebuilt from the 2005 hurricanes watch the oil wash up on shore with a building dread. “I never thought I’d be in a situation where I wanted another Katrina,” says Harden. “But I’d rather Katrina than this.”

Madman in the Marketplace - 15 June 2010

BP’s “promises” are all carefully parsed legalese, and I think a lot of people are going to learn the hard way that those “promises” aren’t really what they think they are.

marisacat - 15 June 2010

Yes the Flaherty piece is a look at various communities relocated by the oil cos over th past decades… mostly small enclaves of Af American founded, free blacks founded communities, ranging from late 1700s to around the Civil War… and a local indigenous French speaking Indian enclave that expects this is the death knell for them… this nightmare and the hurricanes to come that will bring an oil rain.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 June 2010
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13. catnip - 15 June 2010
marisacat - 15 June 2010

I also saw today they got permission to burn at sea the oil they have siphoned up.

So many stories, so much oil, so much lying.

14. catnip - 15 June 2010

Oooo…hand gestures. Obamalama’s French!

marisacat - 15 June 2010


catnip - 15 June 2010

No kidding. Can he be any more rehearsed?

marisacat - 15 June 2010

he’s reading veyr very carefully. I can hear them screaming in rage down on the Gulf. All the way to Cali.

catnip - 15 June 2010

Pointy Finger Obama coming atcha.

catnip - 15 June 2010

I was against offshore drilling before I was for it and then against it and for it again.

15. catnip - 15 June 2010

“Nobel prize winning physicist”


16. marisacat - 15 June 2010

I hear busywork assignments.

marisacat - 15 June 2010

he’s on to solar panels. Not exactly the hottest most alive industry around…

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 June 2010
18. catnip - 15 June 2010

The fierce urgency of “Oh shit – why is this happening to me??”

marisacat - 15 June 2010

at 15 mins he is going on too long.

Blither the blather.

19. catnip - 15 June 2010

Yeah – you bonehead – when you were a candidate you were against drill baby drill. Remember that guy?

20. catnip - 15 June 2010

Religious gobbledygook. Yeah that’ll do it. How’s that workin’ for ya?

21. catnip - 15 June 2010

Oh my dog (and pony show):

Watch President Obama address the nation about the Gulf Coast oil spill from the Oval Office then stay tuned, because 15 minutes after the remarks, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs will answer questions directly from you. Submit questions and vote the best ones to the top.

marisacat - 15 June 2010

I moved this commetn forward… 😉

22. marisacat - 15 June 2010



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