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Dispersant 17 June 2010

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, The Battle for New Orleans.


Rescued   —   An oiled Kemp’s Ridley turtle is rescued from the gulf by a team of researchers. The endangered creature will be treated and taken to a safer habitat.   (Carolyn Cole / Los Angeles Times / June 14, 2010)

Is there no dispersant for Gibbs?  Why not?

ABC’s Yunji de Nies reports: 

Yunji de Nies: Robert, I know there was some review early on with the EPA regarding the dispersant.  I just wonder, at this point, is the administration comfortable with the amount of dispersant that is being released into the Gulf?

And are you comfortable with the substance itself?  Because a lot of marine biologists that we’ve talked to say that this is a very toxic chemical, that this could actually be more harmful to wildlife in the Gulf than the oil itself.

GIBBS:  That — I don’t know what they — I wouldn’t know what the scientific basis for that is.  I think far and away the most harmful substance that is being emitted into the environment in the Gulf is the oil.

de Nies:  So do you think at the current quantity it’s safe to release that dispersant into the water?

GIBBS:  Well, again, yes, we believe that the dispersant that’s being used at the amount that it is being used at now is safe, yes.

de Nies:  This particular chemical, this Corexit, as it’s called, because it’s patented, scientists are not able to see the actual formula of what this is, so it’s difficult to know what’s in it.  Is there any move to try…

GIBBS:  That’s why to clean the beaches you’ve got to wear a hazardous materials suit.

The EPA early on — and I think you probably have a copy of the directive — I think the number was to reduce by 75 percent the amount of both surface and sub-sea dispersants that were being used.

NOAA continues, as does EPA, continues to do water sampling of — in and around the areas of the Gulf to ensure that we’re accurately monitoring the health and safety of the Gulf and anybody involved in working.

We were concerned about and remain concerned about the sheer amount of dispersants that have had to be used, and that’s why the EPA came through with a directive to significantly reduce the amount that we emit into the environment.

de Nies:  So do you think at the current quantity it’s safe to release that dispersant into the water?

GIBBS:  Well, again, yes, we believe that the dispersant that’s being used at the amount that it is being used at now is safe, yes.

de Nies:  This particular chemical, this Corexit, as it’s called, because it’s patented, scientists are not able to see the actual formula of what this is, so it’s difficult to know what’s in it.  Is there any move to try…

GIBBS:  Well, how does the marine biologist say, then, it’s more toxic?

de Nies:  Well, given the studies that they’ve done based on what’s happened in Alaska.  They say — they call it Corexit in Alaska, but they also call it “hides it,” because it essentially hides it from the surface of the water and pushes all the chemicals underneath.

GIBBS:  Well, but, again, that’s the purpose of the…

de Nies:  It is the purpose, but it keeps it in the water.
GIBBS:  Right, a dispersant — well, if you’ve got something we can put in the water that takes the oil out, I’m — come see me and Bill right after this because we should sign you up.

You add this — you add — we’re doing this for the first time at a subsea level.  And April asked a question of Admiral Allen about this yesterday.  The point is not to have it accumulate on the surface and allow it to spread either onto beaches or into marshes.

At that depth it can biodegrade more quickly, which is exactly what you want the oil to do.


A painful read

By unhappy coincidence, the same convergences of ocean currents that create long mats of sargassum — nurturing countless crabs, slugs and surface fish that are crucial food for turtles, birds and larger fish — also coalesce the oil, creating islands of death sometimes 30 miles long.

“Most of the Gulf of Mexico is a desert. Nothing out there to live on. It’s all concentrated in these oases,” Witherington said.

“Ordinarily, the sargassum is a nice, golden color. You shake it, and all kinds of life comes out: shrimp, crabs, worms, sea slugs. The place is really just bursting with life. It’s the base of the food chain. And these areas we’re seeing here by comparison are quite dead,” he said.

A single sea turtle is worth more than 20 jaw flapping, stuttering Gibbses.  A single flying fish worth more than dozens of Gibbses.  A single snail in its shell worth more than Hayward.

I think by now to save America, if it could even be saved, would require the death by sword of the political class.  They should fall upon a bloody heap of the already eviscerated corporate class. 

Whatever of the collaborator non-profit and academic strata is not already liquified in fear, should be the top heap.

It would take a long time for the rot to clear, the air to cleanse itself…  But we would be rid of them.




1. catnip - 17 June 2010

Gibbs is just a fucking genius, is he not?

marisacat - 17 June 2010

He is isn’t he?

I wish the aBC person had pushed firther and asked WHY THEN did the Obama admin ask, supposedly ORDER, BP to stop using Corexit… then scale back and ask for reduced use. Neither of which BP saw as more than a fly that flew in the window.

Because GibbsnFibbs was all about how safe it is.

2. catnip - 17 June 2010

w00t update: Now it’s a news story – Keith Olbermann leaves Daily Kos 🙂

Madman in the Marketplace - 17 June 2010

should have gone nuclear and made them ban him. THAT would have been entertaining.

marisacat - 17 June 2010

I find it kind of odd… I take it from your comment yesterday (was it?) and the politico story … that he disliked the wording of the comment. I got a whiff of “placed comment” off it… but geesh, why should Olbermann care?

Or, he just wanted to move on, get out.

catnip - 17 June 2010

It wasn’t just that comment (the person who posted the “gossip” apologized in KO’s diary) – blackwaterdog called him a “clown” the other day. 🙂

For years, from the Katrina days onward, whenever I stuck my neck out, I usually visited here as the cliched guy in the desert stopping by the oasis. I never got universal support, and never expected it, nor wanted it (who wants an automatic “Yes” machine?). But I used to read a lot about how people here would ‘always have my back’ and trust me this was of palpable value as I fought opponents external and internal who try to knock me and Rachel off the air, all the time, in ways you can imagine and others you can’t.

Now I get to read how we pre-planned our anger because ‘beating up on the President has been good for ratings’.

If I can understand people’s frustration with seeing a speech by a Democratic president criticized in a venue such as mine, why is it impossible for some people here to accept my frustration about the speech? You don’t agree with me, fine. You don’t want to watch because you don’t agree with me, fine. But to accuse me, after five years of risking what I have to present the truth as I see it, of staging something for effect, is deeply offensive to me and is an indication of what has happened here.

You want Cheerleaders? Hire the Buffalo Jills. You want diaries with conspiracy theories, go nuts. If you want this site the way it was even a year ago, let me know and I’ll be back.

He had a little drama queen tantrum BUT he is right about the cheerleader invasion over there so I kind of don’t blame him (although I think he’s a blowhard).

And, if you write a GBCW diary over there now, you are automatically banned after 24 hours (I think it is). So now they have this new TTFN (ta ta for now) category for people who might actually want to come back.

I thought his was GBCW but somebody assigned it a TTFN tag because Dog Forbid kos would ban KO. (That would be hilarious.)

catnip - 17 June 2010

All done to the tune of “Glory Days” by Springsteen, of course.

marisacat - 17 June 2010


oh gawd

catnip - 17 June 2010

I know… like, SRSLY?

BooHooHooMan - 17 June 2010

Hmm. When I heard Larry ODonnell was moving into the MSNBC lineup….seems like it going to be a crowded house. I was just thinking somebody’s gonna end up rolling as GE – I guess Comcast? when the deal is done- predictably makes it exit stage right…
Laughable as they’re all demi-Left to begin with..

Diane Wilson got arrested again today. Something, FWIW.
Ann Wright was there, back in country after the Gaza flotilla massacre.

I’m out . Doin the work thing tomorrow.

3. marisacat - 17 June 2010

The bullshit fucking sop to Dems and progs and weberils begins…

Experts see how-not-to book emerging from gulf oil spill cleanup

Washington Post – David A. Fahrenthold, Joel Achenbach – ‎28 minutes ago‎

Cleanup and containment efforts continue at the Gulf of Mexico site of the oil spill following the Deepwater Horizon explosion.

The fight against the gulf oil spill is already writing lessons for future …

WE”LL LEARN FROM IT, we know we fucked up but we can learn.

No they won’t. I just yesterday heard the mealy mouthed bullshit from Mitchell who was part of writing the 1990 Oil Pollution Act, in te wake of Exxon Valdez… that they never envisioned anything like Deepwater Horizon.

EXCEPT Ixtoc I, just to the west f Deepwater H, in shallow water and spewing for 10 months, was in 1979.

catnip - 17 June 2010


Now where did I hear that today? Oh yeah – from Tony Hayward who won’t even admit he knows what the hell happened.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 June 2010

Louisiana Passes Pre-Abortion Ultrasound Requirement

“This is a bill that empowers women,” said Louisiana state Senator Sharon Broome. She was talking about a bill finalized yesterday that requires women seeking abortions to get ultrasounds — even victims of rape and incest.

Sure, empowerment is what these nuts have in mind.

marisacat - 17 June 2010

It empowers the state…

5. catnip - 17 June 2010

Obama Oil Spill Speech Echoes Elite, Aloof Ethos

Austin, TX, June 17, 2010 – According to an exclusive analysis by The Global Language Monitor, President Obama’s Oil Spill speech echoed his elite ethos, with a broad plan for an alternative-energy future and few specifics. The only specifics of the address were the continuation of the off-shore drilling ban, effectively putting tens of thousands of Gulf Coast jobs in jeopardy. The President’s first Oval Office address came in at a surprising high tenth-grade reading level, with some 13% passive constructions, the highest level measured in any major presidential address in this century. In political speaking, the passive voice is generally used to either deflect responsibility, or to have no particular ‘doer’ of an action.

A previous analysis using GLM’s NarrativeTracker™, found the president’s primary narrative arc to be that of ‘Obama as an Oil Spill Enabler’. Nothing in the address would appear to change that narrative, though formal analysis will be forthcoming in the next week.

Madman in the Marketplace - 17 June 2010

I find it depressing that supposedly using 10th grade level speech is considered “elitist”.

this country loves being dumb.

catnip - 17 June 2010

lol…too true

I’ll tell you what though – hang out at dkos with the obsessive cheerleader squad and it very quickly becomes obvious that they operate at an adolescent level – 12 or 13 yrs old. That’s why they like Obama as their boyfriend – the grade 10 hunky guy.

marisacat - 17 June 2010

the passive voice is generally used to either deflect responsibility, or to have no particular ‘doer’ of an action.


catnip - 17 June 2010

“Yes We Can”.

I mean “Yes Somebody Else Can”.

Madman in the Marketplace - 17 June 2010

“yes, somebody else MIGHT.”

marisacat - 17 June 2010

”good enough” for obby!!

6. marisacat - 18 June 2010

Gosh, desegregation is such a burden … and this is within the same faith in a religious school.


7. marisacat - 18 June 2010

hmm AFP report on a waterproof digital camera found on a Key West beach in May, lost off Aruba in November… and along the way, about January, was activated by a turtle, who filmed himself for a while.

Interesting enough alone, and the article links o the YouTube…

however the camera traveled the LOOP CURRANT, 1800 miles from Aruba, off Venezuela to the Keys.

Which is what the oil will do.

marisacat - 18 June 2010


oops I meant to just put the link in to the You Tube… and it embedded. Or looks like it embedded. Truly I have absolutely no idea what I am doing………


8. marisacat - 18 June 2010

Lousy-ana (as my mother used to call it) swamp politics. Never far away, just a dime’s distance.

Billy Nungesser, blowhard extraordinaire, a part owner in a marina being improved on the BP dollar, as a staging area.

catnip - 18 June 2010

Nungesser reminds me of Chris Farley/Matt Foley.

9. marisacat - 18 June 2010

Getting off CHEAP. Found this in comments to a report on wildlife… from Hartmann’s radio program:

“Here’s BP by the numbers. Corporate felon BP agreed to pay $20 billion into an escrow account. They will build the fund over 3.5 years with the first payment of $3 billion in the third quarter, and $2 billion in the fourth quarter. Then BP will pay $1.25 billion each quarter until the $20 billion is met. The fund will pay only claims from damages related to the spill as well as reimbursements to state and local governments.

It will be easy for BP to make its payments out of its $30 billion in cash flow this year and they intend to make $10 billion in divestments over the next year.”

“According to a 2007 study published by Texas A&M University Press the four biggest industries in the Gulf are oil, tourism, fishing and shipping, and account for around $234 billion in economic activity each year,

most of which is at risk of being wiped out and which, if my math is right, means over a trillion dollars, about 500 times more money than this little $20 billion “fund” that will be tax-deductible to BP.

For example, Louisiana’s seafood industry alone is worth $2 billion annually, and Florida’s is over $10 billion.”

“Yesterday, “Pavel Molchanov, an analyst at Raymond James, estimated the total legal cost, including criminal fines, at $62.9 billion.” Moody’s is projecting that the best case scenario following BP’s oil disaster will “cost the Gulf region’s five states more than 16,000 jobs and $1.15 billion from the area’s gross domestic product.”

And that’s assuming that the oil stops flowing immediately, which doesn’t appear likely.”

16,000 lost jobs sounds LOW to me. Maybe if yu don’t include the “smallest” of the small people, deck hands and bus boys… and so on

10. catnip - 18 June 2010
brinn - 18 June 2010

This just pisses me off to no end.

I hate the mandate. Those assholes so fucked us all over with this “health care reform” — I wouldn’t surprised if they blew the well on purpose just to keep eyes and ears off of the debacle that that stupid ass piece of legislation is!

marisacat - 18 June 2010

ins give away, a reform that will kill MORE people.

Madman in the Marketplace - 18 June 2010

that’s why I never vote for Republicans …

… oh, WAIT!


11. catnip - 18 June 2010

Brrreaking: Hayward’s handing over Gulf daily ops to Bob Dudley – yet another BP automaton.

catnip - 18 June 2010

CNN banner: Hayward’s remarks have had a “detrimental effect”.

Ya think?

marisacat - 18 June 2010

.. and Dudley has never been much good at it either. And he is an American, iirc.


BooHooHooMan - 18 June 2010

Easy, Catnip. You’re bumping up against
some of my very lame and obvious Dudley Do Right jokes and a preposterous attempt to drag Canada into this. LOL.

Dudley. The Do Right Man. Blame Canada. Just Because.
Not so far fetched tho. The shape of a Gibbs presser to come?
“The President has now resolved to kick Dudley Do- Right’s ASS. He’s CANADIAN BTW…” 😆

12. catnip - 18 June 2010

He’s an emotionless bot.

13. catnip - 18 June 2010

When Hayward testified yesterday, he continually said he couldn’t make any judgments about what had happened because the investigations weren’t complete. Yet, when he was asked if the relief wells would be safer than the Deep Water Horizon rig, he said they’re making adjustments based on what they’ve learned from the disaster. The man is a CYA bald-faced liar.

14. marisacat - 18 June 2010

I guess we are to be grateful it is nt longer. A PLAN will be ready in 30 – 45 days.

Feinberg: Oil claims process ready in 30-45 days

The Associated Press – Shelia Byrd – ‎2 hours ago‎

JACKSON, Miss. — The head of a new office created to process claims from the BP oil spill says a plan to handle the remaining damage claims will be in place in 30 to 45 days. Kenneth Feinberg was chosen by President Barack Obama and BP to oversee the the Independent Claims Facility. His comments in Jackson, Miss., on Friday come as the House Judiciary Committee says data it’s collected shows that BP has paid less than 12 percent of claims submitted.

Feinberg says he also plans to have a program going forward that would guarantee that people making claims in the future would receive them within 30 to 60 days of submitting it.

Feinberg says guidelines will be developed for people and businesses making claims, though it hasn’t been determined if the payouts will be considered taxable income.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

brinn - 18 June 2010

So let me get this straight. They’re saying that these people will be waiting a minimum of 60 days from today?! Unfrakingbelievble.

And on a completely unrelated note, when the HELL did journalists/editors at the AP stop understanding the difference between “it’s: and “its”?! I have noticed so much awful spelling, editing, proofing these days, it is beginning to make my head swim…I mean it’s one thing if it’s my online students doing it, but the fucking AP?!

catnip - 18 June 2010

You also have to wonder why the plan alone is going to take 30-45 days – yet another delay. But they’re on top of it! Never you mind…

Apostrophe abuse. It’s an epidemic.

marisacat - 18 June 2010

plan to plan!

Madman in the Marketplace - 18 June 2010

that’s what happens when you fire all the editors …

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 June 2010
16. marisacat - 18 June 2010

Watch for Multi PACs to grow and grow!

June 18, 2010

Investing in Haley

Mitt spends some serious dough in a key early state:

Former Massachusetts GOP Gov. Mitt Romney has contributed $42,000 to Nikki Haley’s campaign for governor in South Carolina, POLITICO has learned.

Political action committees are typically capped at giving $3,500 per cycle, but lawyers for Romney’s Free and Strong America PAC discovered that multiple PACs sharing the same leadership and office space are able to contribute $3,500 each per cycle in South Carolina, according to a Romney source.

With one federal PAC and five statewide PACs each maxing out at $3,500 for Haley in both the GOP primary and general elections, Romney has contributed a total of $42,000.

17. marisacat - 18 June 2010

As the boyos snack on each other…

found this via corrente:

Issues in conference: PAYGO

by: Kagro X

Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 17:00

Disclosure: I’m advising Open Left in a paid capacity on procedure with regard to the Wall Street reform bill.

Among the many issues still unresolved in the Wall Street reform conference negotiations, there’s one that stands apart as a sort of meta-issue, in that it’s not a policy item in its own right, but can and most certainly will have an impact on the substantive content of the bill and its chances of passing. $$$$nip

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 June 2010

Gulf oil spill: A hole in the world

If Katrina pulled back the curtain on the reality of racism in America, the BP disaster pulls back the curtain on something far more hidden: how little control even the most ingenious among us have over the awesome, intricately interconnected natural forces with which we so casually meddle. BP cannot plug the hole in the Earth that it made. Obama cannot order fish species to survive, or brown pelicans not to go extinct (no matter whose ass he kicks). No amount of money – not BP’s recently pledged $20bn (£13.5bn), not $100bn – can replace a culture that has lost its roots. And while our politicians and corporate leaders have yet to come to terms with these humbling truths, the people whose air, water and livelihoods have been contaminated are losing their illusions fast.

“Everything is dying,” a woman said as the town hall meeting was finally coming to a close. “How can you honestly tell us that our Gulf is resilient and will bounce back? Because not one of you up here has a hint as to what is going to happen to our Gulf. You sit up here with a straight face and act like you know when you don’t know.”

This Gulf coast crisis is about many things – corruption, deregulation, the addiction to fossil fuels. But underneath it all, it’s about this: our culture’s excruciatingly dangerous claim to have such complete understanding and command over nature that we can radically manipulate and re-engineer it with minimal risk to the natural systems that sustain us. But as the BP disaster has revealed, nature is always more unpredictable than the most sophisticated mathematical and geological models imagine. During Thursday’s congressional testimony, Hayward said: “The best minds and the deepest expertise are being brought to bear” on the crisis, and that, “with the possible exception of the space programme in the 1960s, it is difficult to imagine the gathering of a larger, more technically proficient team in one place in peacetime.” And yet, in the face of what the geologist Jill Schneiderman has described as “Pandora’s well”, they are like the men at the front of that gymnasium: they act like they know, but they don’t know.

“Pandora’s well” is a great name for this nightmare.

marisacat - 18 June 2010

There is a poll out that is bad news for Obby and the assorted criminals in this… a very high percentage of Americans is following what’s happening in the Gulf. 56%. AND the poll shows that the volume of news media produced on the Gulf is lagging to level of interest. Business Insider linked to it.

By contrast, news media is over reporting by several points the 2010 elections.

marisacat - 18 June 2010

Here is an unhappy read. BP confirms the 450 ton BOP is tilting… and as I read thru it, they may be setting the scenario should the sea bed floor collapse.

Times Picayune/NOLA.com

“multiple losses of containment” … that sure the hell is CODED.. and coming from an academician…

[B]ea is more concerned about the worst-case scenario than Van Nieuwnhuise.. In an answer to a question, Bea said, “Yes,” there is reason to think that hydrocarbons are leaking from places in the well other than the containment cap.

“The likelihood of failure is extremely high,” Bea said. “We could have multiple losses of containment, and that’s going to provide much more difficult time of trying to capture this (oil).”

Meanwhile, observers monitoring the video feeds from the robotic vehicles working on the sea floor have noticed BP measuring a tilt in the 40-ton blowout preventer stack with a level and a device called an inclinometer.

Odone, the BP spokesman, confirmed that his company has been monitoring the lean of the blowout preventer, which BP believes began tilting when the Deepwater Horizon rig sank and the riser pipe got bent. “That is tilting and has been tilting since the rig went down,” Odone said. “We believe that it was caused by the collapse of the riser.”

Bea said BP isn’t sharing enough information for others to know. If there is oil and gas escaping from the sides of the well, it could erode the sediments around the well and eat away at the support for all the heavy equipment that sits above. Bea said reports that BP is using an inclinometer is significant news. “It tells me that they are also concerned,” he said.

Madman in the Marketplace - 18 June 2010

if they’re admitting that much, it must be very, very bad.

marisacat - 18 June 2010

Bea is right over at Cal Berkeley, hghly credible been in the industry for 55 years, consulted for all sorts.. I sent an email off to the only host I like at KGO with the NOLA.com article and asked that she consider having Bea on, if he were interested…

ts - 18 June 2010

They’ve been downplaying dougr’s comment on the Oil Drum, but he seems to be (unfortunately) as accurate about this as Nouriel Roubini was about the economic crisis. Time to start praying.

marisacat - 18 June 2010

well I think TOD saw it was getting around, so they leapt around (Business Insider for one) and put a trimmed version of dougr’s comment around where they post from their site.. and ran it alone at their site, but with a big caveat at the top…

but I MUCH prefer the slightly messy origianl

19. catnip - 18 June 2010
marisacat - 18 June 2010

And the ‘US military” is “hunting” for Assange. I hope he stays ahead of them.

I read in one report he apparently is often in iceland, a country that was described as “friendly” to whistleblowers and leakers.

Because we sure are not. Obby has stepped up prosecution.

Good little service class creep that he is.

20. marisacat - 18 June 2010

hmmm and this is NPR of all sources:

The head of the federal oil-spill response announced in a press conference Tuesday that a ship called the Development Driller II has now bored down 9,000 feet below the seafloor in its efforts to create a relief well. Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen said the drilling ship should be able to tap into the ruptured well in three to four weeks — that would be mid-July — a month ahead of schedule.

Unfortunately, none of these statements appears to be true.

National Incident Commander Thad Allen has trouble keeping his facts straight. He comes across great on TV. He’s poised, polished, authoritative in his Coast Guard uniform.

But ever since the federal government told BP it was no longer welcome at the official news conferences, the admiral has had to stand on his own answering technical questions about BP’s operations. This carries the symbolism that the government is in charge. But as a result, facts often end up garbled.

The report picks apart the Thursday and Friday press conf with Allen. Not a pretty picture. The single worst seems to be that he is utterly confused on even the official line on the relief wells timeline.

I never had the impression he wanted this job, even before the high falutin’ title. The government wanted a name the Gulf knew.


21. marisacat - 18 June 2010



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