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So — how long… 22 June 2010

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, Afghanistan War, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iraq War, Pakistan, WAR!.

President Obama swats at a fly buzzing around his head as he delivers remarks on health care reform, Tuesday, June 22. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

…to Wikileaks letting loose with the film taken at the Garani massacre?  2009, possibly a hundred killed, women and children among them.  And clearly on the Foundling’s watch.

From the RS article:

[I]t doesn’t hurt that McChrystal was also extremely successful as head of the Joint Special Operations Command, the elite forces that carry out the government’s darkest ops. During the Iraq surge, his team killed and captured thousands of insurgents, including Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq. “JSOC was a killing machine,” says Maj. Gen. Mayville, his chief of operations. McChrystal was also open to new ways of killing. He systematically mapped out terrorist networks, targeting specific insurgents and hunting them down – often with the help of cyberfreaks traditionally shunned by the military. “The Boss would find the 24-year-old kid with a nose ring, with some fucking brilliant degree from MIT, sitting in the corner with 16 computer monitors humming,” says a Special Forces commando who worked with McChrystal in Iraq and now serves on his staff in Kabul. “He’d say, ‘Hey – you fucking muscleheads couldn’t find lunch without help. You got to work together with these guys.’ ”

Even in his new role as America’s leading evangelist for counterinsurgency, McChrystal retains the deep-seated instincts of a terrorist hunter. To put pressure on the Taliban, he has upped the number of Special Forces units in Afghanistan from four to 19. “You better be out there hitting four or five targets tonight,” McChrystal will tell a Navy Seal he sees in the hallway at headquarters. Then he’ll add, “I’m going to have to scold you in the morning for it, though.” In fact, the general frequently finds himself apologizing for the disastrous consequences of counterinsurgency. In the first four months of this year, NATO forces killed some 90 civilians, up 76 percent from the same period in 2009 – a record that has created tremendous resentment among the very population that COIN theory is intent on winning over. In February, a Special Forces night raid ended in the deaths of two pregnant Afghan women and allegations of a cover-up, and in April, protests erupted in Kandahar after U.S. forces accidentally shot up a bus, killing five Afghans. “We’ve shot an amazing number of people,” McChrystal recently conceded.  snip

What next, I wonder.




1. marisacat - 22 June 2010

gah. Of course I am in way over my head with anything mechanical…. I went over to The Oil Drum to see if there was any mention, refutation, discussion of a possible methane gas bubble (posted this in the last thread, from a pub called Helium) that would blow the current mess absolutely to smithereens.

No mention yet tho just starting in on 350+ comments… but there is mention of a tropical depression gearing up, it may stay weak and trail out over Texas or several models indicate it may strengthen. And b a problem by later this week.

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 June 2010
3. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 June 2010
4. catnip - 22 June 2010

Now there’s some guy at dkos who wrote a diary claiming he works for McChrystal as a contractor (on the wreck list, of course because you have to be balanced about these things!):

I don’t want to go into great detail at this point, other than to say Stan McChrystal is a great American, a great leader, and about the only thing saving Afghanistan from a bloodbath fed by the spring of maybe a couple hundred thousand dead bodies and a million or two refugees.

marisacat - 22 June 2010


Madman in the Marketplace - 22 June 2010

I wonder how long that took to type one handed.

catnip - 22 June 2010

No kidding. I commented that he should have included pics of McWonderful saving Afghanistan. Pic diaries are a big hit over there. Pr0n for the authoritarians.

Madman in the Marketplace - 22 June 2010
marisacat - 22 June 2010


5. catnip - 22 June 2010

Moonie Times:

An open letter from actor Jon Voight to President Obama:

June 22, 2010

President Obama:

You will be the first American president that lied to the Jewish people, and the American people as well, when you said that you would defend Israel, the only Democratic state in the Middle East, against all their enemies. You have done just the opposite. You have propagandized Israel, until they look like they are everyone’s enemy — and it has resonated throughout the world. You are putting Israel in harm’s way, and you have promoted anti-Semitism throughout the world.


catnip - 22 June 2010

Might as well post the rest. It’s not long.

You have brought this to a people who have given the world the Ten Commandments and most laws we live by today. The Jewish people have given the world our greatest scientists and philosophers, and the cures for many diseases, and now you play a very dangerous game so you can look like a true martyr to what you see and say are the underdogs. But the underdogs you defend are murderers and criminals who want Israel eradicated.

You have brought to Arizona a civil war, once again defending the criminals and illegals, creating a meltdown for good, loyal, law-abiding citizens. Your destruction of this country may never be remedied, and we may never recover. I pray to God you stop, and I hope the people in this great country realize your agenda is not for the betterment of mankind, but for the betterment of your politics.

With heartfelt and deep concern for America and Israel,

Jon Voight

Well, that was fun.

Madman in the Marketplace - 22 June 2010


lucid - 23 June 2010

I wonder what he thinks of his daughter?

marisacat - 22 June 2010

Fire up the butter melter…………

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 June 2010
7. catnip - 22 June 2010

Oooo…juicy canuck scandal: Some politicians under foreign influence: CSIS

Canada’s spy agency suspects cabinet ministers in two provinces are under the control of foreign governments, CBC News has learned.

Several members of B.C. municipal governments are also under suspicion, Richard Fadden, the director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, told CBC News in an exclusive interview.

“We’re in fact a bit worried in a couple of provinces that we have an indication that there’s some political figures who have developed quite an attachment to foreign countries,” Fadden said.

At least five countries are surreptitiously recruiting future political prospects in universities, with China acting the most aggressively, he said. But Middle East countries are also involved.

“A number of countries take the view that if they can develop influence with people relatively early in their careers, they’ll follow them through,” Fadden said. “Before you know it a country is providing them with money, there’s some sort of covert guidance.”

marisacat - 22 June 2010

The big question is WHERE ARE YOUR GEESE?

catnip - 22 June 2010

They’ve obviously been compromised by the French.

marisacat - 22 June 2010

You have gay geese?

Enlist them n the US mil, we will take care of that.

8. BooHooHooMan - 22 June 2010

Is it just me, or does McChrystal’s “Strategy” EVEN LOOK
like it’s a fucking turkey?

I mean What The Fuck, Obama?
Jesus Christ.. Your average gradeschooler would have said:
~ “Looks like a turkey to me, General.”
And the whole killing people thing isn’t nice.
But not Barry. Cuz Barry’s a suck-up.

marisacat - 22 June 2010

Well Barry took the job… pay off down the line.

BooHooHooMan - 22 June 2010

The ultimate hook. A con for the rest of us eeklings.

catnip - 22 June 2010

Actually, that looks suspiciously like a woman’s womb.

Just what kind of meeting was that again?

marisacat - 22 June 2010

McC wants to go home again, apparently.

BooHooHooMan - 22 June 2010

LOL. I obviously just like turkey.

CSTAR - 23 June 2010

I think he’s trying to show how to compute the homology of a Klein bottle (= somebody with his/her head up his/her ass)

BooHooHooMan - 22 June 2010

Well , Rorshaching it,
I think his right shoulder patch makes him a member of some elite , slightly deformed, Swollen Glans Penis Brigade.
{and there went the security clearance}
Or with the killer mushroom eating gnome people.
{never to be reconsidered}
Somethin fucked up. ,,,But I am well today. 😆

marisacat - 22 June 2010

😳 link fail!! SHoulder patch fail!

Call in the Canadian Geese.

BooHooHooMan - 23 June 2010

Oops, Sorry!


9. marisacat - 22 June 2010

hmm so like… who DOES McC answer to? Who does call him “home”?


June 22, 2010

Categories: Afghanistan.

Gates takes charge

Robert Gates is out with a statement expressing his “concern” at McChrystal’s “poor judgement” and appearing to assert a kind of formal control over the situation with this line:

I have recalled Gen. McChrystal to Washington to discuss this in person.

10. BooHooHooMan - 22 June 2010

WaPo headline:

Obama has free rein to act on Gen. McChrystal

Just as soon as Gates decides. FWIW Anne Kornblut blibbering about some…” Constitution” I think she calls it….

Anyways, You know what this means? Yes it’s that time again ,
Time for another Woodward book, no doubt. The same one that comes with every Presidential term and 40 bucks.
The beauty of it , see, as time goes on, is that he doesn’t even have to change many names. Oh the President, sure.
Yeh , well, him.

But THIS time hopefully it’ll have some catchy new title like
All the President’s Clusterfuck Brethren Agenda Men.
You know, ta keep it fresh, hit all the bases.

marisacat - 23 June 2010

oh he can hit “global change” for Bush to morph to Obby.

Simple. And do like the Oil Cos.. cut and paste in some bullshit from his Clinton era books. More “global replace”.


Before you know it, Obby will have been in the Oil Biz in Arkansas. Owned a sports team along the way. Dad n the CIA.

(Will any of them even notice?)

Easy Peeezy!

BooHooHooMan - 23 June 2010

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Used by Bob Woodward!

And Thanks to INBREEDING™, now with even more closely related corporate whoring candidates and shitheel staff AND more corruption, backbiting, and synthetically gravitas tones!
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marisacat - 23 June 2010


cross tabbing is easy! Everybody is also … everybody else ….


BooHooHooMan - 23 June 2010

The reality is this:
We run the cynical, pained™ domestic political infighting™ scam at a level of skullduggery that puts the world to shame with the notable exception being Israel. Then we keep on killing for profitable killing’s sake.

Done in. I’m out. I hope Stan the Man is panned tomorrow and Ob takes the heat. That it broils off another layer or two off his pasty veneer.
My sense is they have to fire McChrystalballs to feng shui the stuffed poodle decor at 1600.

marisacat - 23 June 2010

My sense is they have to fire McChrystalballs to feng shui the stuffed poodle decor at 1600.

I think that is the crux of the deal.

catnip - 23 June 2010

Woodward has a book coming out about Obamalama this fall. Guess he’ll be doing a quick rewrite.

11. marisacat - 23 June 2010

I had heard the reporter was with McC and his guys from Paris to Berlin, to Kabul to Kandahar, for close to 4 weeks… and NYDN says so:

[M]cChrystal walked away with his job as Afghan commander intact after the Copenhagen incident, with a warning from Obama: Take care of business and shut up about those who disagree with you. McChrystal chose to ignore the warning. He allowed the Rolling Stone reporter stunning access to himself and his trash-talking staff. They kept blabbing to the reporter when the Icelandic volcano grounded flights in Europe and they had to take a boozy bus ride to Berlin.

They kept blabbing when the reporter went back to Afghanistan with them, and McChrystal confronted soaring casualty rates and Afghan corruption that forced him to postpone the Kandahar offensive.

McChrystal might even survive the latest firestorm if he could point to success in the war, but the most damning quote in the magazine article put his future in doubt.

It came from a sergeant who put it to McChrystal straight up: “Sir, some of the guys here, sir, think we’re losing, sir.”

That little thing too, the war is dissolving.

ts - 23 June 2010

I am thoroughly enjoying this. May they bite each other to death.

marisacat - 23 June 2010

I agree.. I just emailed a friend that I wished all the finger pointing going on, that they had guns and live ammo in their fingers.

Clear the decks!! And the Tables!… AND the chairs! Free up the phone lines and the blackberries!!!

12. marisacat - 23 June 2010

wow.. I just stmbled into a PBS NOVA show on giant cuttlefish, the ones that are camoflage masters, with skin color changes and neon light displays… a show that really swamps reality. If you need o get away from reality and hell, who does not right now….

Scenes filmed off Indonesia of their single mating season is just astounding…

13. marisacat - 23 June 2010



A quick search would have showed McChrystal that caution was warranted around the irreverent reporter, Michael Hastings, a former Iraq correspondent for Newsweek.

Starting when he was 25, Hastings spent two years reporting in Iraq as Newsweek’s youngest-ever war correspondent. He wrote four cover stories for Newsweek International, and published a memoir, ‘I Lost My Love in Baghdad.’

Covering the presidential campaign for GQ in 2008, Hastings wrote in ‘Hack: Confessions of a Presidential Campaign Reporter’:

‘There was no small amount of hypocrisy when it came to journalists discussing the sex lives of the people they cover, since fidelity wasn’t exactly a prized virtue among reporters on the campaign trail. For my part, I watched a lot of porn. … It occurred to me … that [enjoying pornography] in a hotel room was not unlike the larger experience of campaign reporting.’

14. marisacat - 23 June 2010

Very interesting guest post at Naked Capitialism (I got onto it thru comment at the Oil Drum)….

and there is this in comments at NC

Valissa says:

June 22, 2010 at 9:53 am

Study foretold a consequence of oil leak Boston.com article

But an unusual experiment conducted in 2000 off the coast of Norway, a trial run of a deep-water oil and gas spill that BP helped pay for, showed that oil could remain underwater for some time. The North Atlantic exercise was designed to understand how a spill would behave as the drilling industry plumbed new depths to extract oil and gas. The federal Minerals Management Service and 22 companies took part in the test, at about half the depth of the gulf disaster.

… A BP spokesman last week acknowledged the company participated in the Deep Spill experiment but refused to answer why officials flatly denied the possibility there could be significant amounts of oil trapped underwater — even the day after the federal government confirmed the existence of plumes on June 8.

The thread has several good comments… and quite a bit of reference to what is happening in the gulf as a “ELE”. Or that it could be that.

ELE meaning Extinction Level Event.

15. marisacat - 23 June 2010

Jerry? Jerry! Jerry???????

Are you there?

[A]t the same time, several California Democrats close to the race say they’re concerned the 72-year-old Brown hasn’t done enough to start framing his own message against Whitman, the multimillionaire former eBay CEO who’s cruising toward a $150 million self-funded campaign tab, or to pivot toward general election necessities such as field operations.

“They are nowhere near where they need to be at this point,” said a Democratic operative involved in the race.

“Are people starting to have a sense of anxiety? I think that’s fair to say,” another operative said. snipwippy

Read more: Politco

At the very least he needs to run a drip drip drip to drive her negatives. I was looking forward to it, frankly. For amusement.

16. catnip - 23 June 2010

Okay – maybe I’m dense but I’m just not getting this:

People in vehicles should try to move away from a twister at right angles, advised Environment Canada.

CSTAR - 23 June 2010

Right angle to the direction of movement of the twister maybe?

Probably the instinct is to move away from it in the same direction it’s moving.

I can’t imagine it’s a good idea to move towards it. But I have a repressed hope that some people might decide that’s the best option.

catnip - 23 June 2010

I can’t imagine it’s a good idea to move towards it. But I have a repressed hope that some people might decide that’s the best option.


I just don’t get how you figure out which way it’s moving if you see it in the distance. (Like I said, I’m having a “dense” morning. And it’s not like I haven’t seen funnel clouds before. That advice just struck me as odd.)

17. catnip - 23 June 2010
18. ts - 23 June 2010

US scores in injury time to advance in the World Cup. Literally, Joe Biden, a last minute victory.

ts - 23 June 2010

If they hadn’t scored, they would have been eliminated.

lucid - 23 June 2010

Caught the tale end at work. phew!

Was worried there for a bit. Now, If Ghana beats Germany, that’s gonna set up a war with Serbia [who will kill the Aussies] in the second round.

That would be entertaining. Lot’s of chants of ‘OOSA OOSA, Fuck Off’…

19. catnip - 23 June 2010

So now MSNBC is reporting rumours that Obamalama might not be The Decider about McWarDude’s fate until tomorrow. Yeah – there’s a good idea. Give the media another 24 hours to play Pin The Tail on the WH. That would be in sync with just how fucked up the WH’s press strategery has been to date though.

marisacat - 23 June 2010

he struggles with the relly relly big decisions.

20. marisacat - 23 June 2010

I dunno…. BI has two posts… one dealing with a somewhat submerged story from some other day…

Two People Dead In Oil Leak Containment Cap Disaster

Share Joe Weisenthal | Jun. 23, 2010, 12:24 PM | 645 | 5

Right now details are scarce, but according to various reports, two people have died in the accident that prompted the removal of the Deepwater Horizon containment cap.

For the last few days, this story has been drowned out a bit, but it’s about to come roaring back big time.

Apparently the two who died were in the program for local citizens: “Vessels for Opportunity”

Read more: Link to BI story

And somethng has happened today, removal ofthe cap and teh oil is just massively gushing.

That rides at the top… http://www.businessinsider.com

marisacat - 23 June 2010

WTF a gunshot wound? What is going on out there? (Plus BI reported this in very disjointed fashion)

AND NOW THE HORRIBLE NEWS: Containment Cap Removed From Leak, Oil Gushing MADLY

Joe Weisenthal and Gus Lubin | Jun. 23, 2010, 12:15 PM | 1,567 | 14

Just when you were feeling good about things in the US. There’s this.

The containment cap was removed after unspecified problems. The flow has increased wildly. See it gush here.

An undersea robot collision with the containment cap has been blamed for the problem. Allen said the accident sent gas rising through a vent that carries warm water down to prevent ice-like crystals from forming in the cap.

BP hopes to reinstall the cap later today after fixing the vent and checking for safety.

In unrelated news announced at the same time, two people have died in the oil spill response. Allen said the two casualties were working on “vessels of opportunity,” and one of the deaths was, strangely, a gunshot wound.

21. catnip - 23 June 2010

Brrreeaking on MSNBC: Pentagon sources say Obamalama has “relieved” McAsshole of command in Afghanistan.

(Okay – they worded it slightly differently but…)

22. marisacat - 23 June 2010

Petraeus to replace McChrystal in Vietnam.

Well I am sure I mean Afghanistan.

Don’t i?

catnip - 23 June 2010


Same Shit Different Decade

Just equip Petraeus with a fainting couch and he’s good to go.

marisacat - 23 June 2010

oh that’s right… Order up an 18th c campaign style fainting couch for the The General.

I think he is bucking for 5 stars. hasn’t been one in quite a while.

CSTAR - 23 June 2010

Maybe they meant Wastemoreland would replace McChrystal.

marisacat - 23 June 2010

We are so trapped.

Obby saying his selection will allow us “to succeed”.

23. catnip - 23 June 2010


WASHINGTON — Sales of new homes collapsed last month, sinking 33 percent to the lowest level on record as potential buyers stopped shopping for homes once they could no longer get government incentives.

The Commerce Department says new home sales fell in May from a month earlier to a seasonally adjusted annual sales pace of 300,000. That was the slowest sales pace on records dating back to 1963.

24. catnip - 23 June 2010

Oh Jeebus: MSNBC has whiny Lieberman on to react. Can’t they just put him out to pasture already?

CSTAR - 23 June 2010

Give’em a twister to ponder.

25. marisacat - 23 June 2010



…………….. 😯

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