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Crying game.. 2 October 2010

Posted by marisacat in 2010 Mid Terms, 2012 Re Election, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Lie Down Fall Down Dems.

Rahm Emanuel wipes away tears as President Obama applauds in the White House. [Reuters]

What is left to say.  It does remind me of the day Bill C introduced us all to his CofS.  Bill wept too.  “Mac”, McLarty of Arkla, an energy company.

Yes that went really well.  He finally left….

I read a comment about Rouse, who is a long time top Hill aide and CofS to the many (19 years with Daschle, says a lot, none of it good, 5 years with wObbly)… the comment was it is hoped that Rouse can do for wObbly what Erskine Bowles did for Bill.

Bowles now being on the Cat Food Commission. 

Of course it is also being said that Rahm likely would have to leave, with much much less fan fare, following any deep loss on Nov 2.

Everything is just looking so good and HOPEful.  The faster they can ride HOPE to death, all the better.

Stumble on.


The last thread was still small but it was beginning to drop comments randomly… so time to push on… 😉



1. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 October 2010

Game Over, Man. Game Over.

We’re so screwed. Bob Shrum just said Democrats will hold the House and Senate.


marisacat - 2 October 2010


I’d love to say he must be drunk… but he’s sober. Or what passes for it.

Fucking loon.

Madman in the Marketplace - 2 October 2010

I think he’s actually TEACHING at NYU now … amazing how some people can turn a lifetime career of sucking at their jobs into a comfy living.

marisacat - 2 October 2010

Democratic machine. Alive and well and not foreclosed upon….

brinn - 2 October 2010

Hee hee — then there are those of us who turn a lifetime career of kicking serious ass at our jobs into a sucky living!

(Just finished the first of my two teacher certification exams…)

Strange, but I am perfectly GIDDY and chomping at the bit to get into my middle school classroom(s)….

It feels damned good though — I ROCK! 8)

How is everyone!

marisacat - 2 October 2010

(Just finished the first of my two teacher certification exams…)

oh congratulations brinn!

brinn - 4 October 2010

Thanks, MCat — second one is Wednesday. Brain is aching from too much thinking on pedagogy and professional responsibilities — just finished reviewing “legal Basics for Teachers”….*sigh*

Madman in the Marketplace - 2 October 2010

you DO rock!


brinn - 4 October 2010

Thanks, madman! 😉

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 October 2010
3. diane - 2 October 2010

…just stopped in, so sorry for the asides from the conversation at hand…

just read your post from the last thread:

…Supposedly there have been 5 gay teen college (think all were college) suicides so far this year. …..

…the train track endings I was referring to, were pre-college students, primarily from Gunn High ( an upper (or higher?) middle class, Palo Alto, California, High School, in 2009 ); hadn’t read anything at all regarding gay, California College students in 2010 ………so that’s 10 youth in about a year and a half?

marisacat - 2 October 2010

Yes, as I said, the teen suicides, the ones who walk out ot the train tracks, are very distrubing. And yes they are all from the same HS.

The 5 I referred to separately are different from the Caltrain suicides. I believe the 5 are the national known college suicides so far this year, in most reports if mentioned it includes Clementi.

diane - 2 October 2010

thanks for that clarification ….and, no small wonder, …given the disgusting “RACE TO THE TOP” (the top of what? …a pile of fresh feces? ………..it is a: who can produce the most disgusting STENCH competition NOW? ……..an improvement on that ole CAPITALIST whoopee cushion joke, …which never was all that hilarious …except to a handful who used humiliation and bullying, to attain that “upper edge” ……….) virus emanating out of DC …

marisacat - 2 October 2010

Other than what has been reported over TV news… is it two years now for the Gunn HS suicides (tho none recently iirc) I hve not poked around for information or similarities in the students. Sos there may be much more information in the print media reports than I am aware of….

diane - 2 October 2010

well …brings to mind a young hispanic samoan (spelling?) teen ruthlessly and silently stabbed with what may have been an icepick in the doorwell to an apartment I used to rent before they were converted to ‘foreign owned’ condos ….which never hit the press ….. ( I know this, because I invited him into my apartment, and was treated as a perp after the fact) we appear to receive the FULL news, via internet or hardcopy at a time usally convenient to those who are running the show.

I just heard that there was a Tuskgeegee Experiment done by related Homeland “Doctoral” parties in Central America (spelling is wrong) …

don’t ya just love the transparency, hopelessness, and helplessness of it all?

marisacat - 2 October 2010

I think the Guatemala story is a real mess…

Lindorff at Cpunch, in a longish piece on … might have been the BART shooting here last year… included a recent event he had looked into in his home town… a report in the local press that a black teen, cuaght robbing a home was shot as he advanced on/threatened the cops.

Lindorff who long ago had been the a young reporter on the police beat decided to look into it. So he goes down to the Coronor’s office and reads the official report. The teen robber had been shot in the back.

diane - 2 October 2010

well …I called the hospital …and the police …to try to follow up …dead end …though he left my place standing, thank god for that Pacifc Islander physical constitution …as he was bleeding from the neck front and back …. I believe ..at least I hope he’s still alive …….and though what I did was no pat on my back ..it was the least I could do, as A RESPONSIBLE ADULT, …….. I hope he remembers that he is not alone ..that many of us try to help one another ….push come to shove.

ts - 2 October 2010

I’m not sure we can read too much into such small numbers. I think someone posting a tryst on the internet that leads to suicide is a big headline, but in high school and college today, coming out is continuing to be much less of a stigma than it was in the 1980s.

We had a couple suicides during my time in high school, which were ostensibly for “no reason” (there was a suicide note, never published for obvious reasons), where it was pretty much known that this guy/girl was gay. There’s no way to say that the reason was their parents found out, they were tormented by anyone, they just killed themselves. When we’re talking about ten incidents in the whole country…well, I bet that truth be known a thousand gay students a year kill themselves because they were gay. It might be because they were jilted by a significant other, you’ll never know the reason.

It’s like those statistics about marijuana use and traffic fatalities. Yeah, they were stoned, but they were pretty drunk too, and snorted a line of meth as they left…how do you pinpoint something that has multiple possible explanations?

ts - 2 October 2010

But I would add that if you get five from the same school, there’s probably a bullying factor going on (or it just might be a suicide pact).

diane - 2 October 2010

….(or it just might be a suicide pact). ….

could be. But, I have a very hard time believing that someone who is feeling safe and comfortable about life, or even feeling uncomfortable yet able to change things for the better, would step in front of a train to end their lives simply because those they go to school agreed to do it.

To be honest, I don’t believe that at all.

marisacat - 2 October 2010

Gunn HS suicides do not sound like a pact.

diane - 2 October 2010

No, no they do not appear to have been a pact, …they appear to have been a feeling of


ts - 2 October 2010

Since I hadn’t rta I looked it up

Suicide clusters are relatively rare, although they have existed since ancient times.

One study found that between 1% and 5% of all teen suicides in the U.S. occur in clusters, taking the lives of 100 to 200 teenagers a year. Suicide contagion has involved prison inmates, marines, religious sects and Native Americans, but in the U.S. teens and young adults make up most of the clusters, according to Suicide and Mental Health Assn. International.

Clusters have included friends or acquaintances from a single school or church and also teens who have never had any direct contact with one another, according to the organization. Some share an “environmental stressor,” the association said.

The Centers for Disease Control reported that four teenagers in a New Jersey suburb committed suicide on March 11, 1987 by locking themselves in a garage with a car engine running. Six days later, a 17-year-old boy and a woman, 20, attempted suicide in the same garage by the same means, the centers reported. The garage door was later removed.

“Anecdotal evidence suggests that suicides early in a cluster may influence the persons who commit suicide later in the cluster,” the centers reported. “There is also research evidence that exposure to a suicide that was not part of a cluster may lead certain persons to take their own lives.”

marisacat - 2 October 2010

I’ve guessed that there is a high stress factor in the various dynamics of the teens in the Gunn HS series…

marisacat - 2 October 2010

I think having a sex act blasted to the universe, not everyone is a ‘balls to the wall’ jock or an exhibitionist woman, could be mentally very troubling.

Whether one is gay or not. Straight or not. Experienced sexually or not.

I find this whole line of “being outed is not so much anymore” irrelevant in some ways to what happened.

Tho if there are revelations late yesterday or today, I don’t know them. I sort of took today off….

diane - 2 October 2010

I think having a sex act blasted to the universe … could be mentally very troubling.

I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s been a while since I posted that I believe my phone privacy (on my residential landline, which I PAY GOOD ‘MONEY’ FOR, with the understanding that my “employer” has no access to) was inexplicably violated (don’t know that I had mentioned that it was via the “workplace”), but I meant that, regardless of alchohol intake, (alchohol, which was actually an effect, not a cause) …..

I haven’t wanted to be physically intimate since; as I am aware that the technology is such that if ‘they’ are listening to you, ‘they’ are likely, also watching you, and I hope to live to see the day that the ghastly perps are brought back to the cognizance of the harm they are doing.

diane - 2 October 2010

…on a related note, I was amused when I had to go through hoops to check out Gloria Naylor’s ( …The Women of Brewsters Place” …..) book, 1996, ..at my local library …..)

and one could certainly read it as an anti semite book or read that she was being harrased via a neighbor whose brother was in the NSA and happend to be a “Semite” ‘sympathetic’ to those running the Government in the US, Israel, World at large …

….and, I mean after all, Palestinians, among other unmentioned little peeps, including Jews who love Palestinians, are Semites too.

(where is she now Oprah? )

marisacat - 2 October 2010

I never read the book, but I found the TV production tedious beyond belief.

diane - 2 October 2010

Never watched the movie (didn’t know there was one); but, I found resonance in the book, as regards to being spied on and the stark reality of informing folks of that (which I didn’t do, outside of a teeny circle) ..no one would believe you, and/or want to acknowledge you were, …. and I believe she was harassed by ‘somebody,’ ..she certainly has gone underground ……….and seems to have forfeit what might have been a lucrative “career” ………

marisacat - 2 October 2010

If there are statements in the book tht the AIPAC sorts might go after… she may have had to go to ground.

I just stumbled across a story a few months ago… I should nto raise it as I forget many of the details now and i no longer save links to anything…, but it is easily searchable if anyone wants to… a 3rd (or so) grand son of Gandhi made comments, not ostensibly about Jews but about the war making of modern Israel and ISraelis… and wow. He was hounded … pretty much all the way back to India. Chased off academic panels and so on.

It was pretty stunning.

I just landed on a stray reference to it in the tedious and boring Faith section at the Wapo…

I mean totally aside from anti-semite comments Mahatma G made in his lifetime… but I bet it influcned how vociferous the response to his descendant was.

I wasn’t raised in a home that adopted a benign or reveerntial attitude to either Gandhi OR Israel… so…………….. LOL… some stuff I jsut laugh at.

4. marisacat - 2 October 2010

hmm i found this in an online Cape Cod press… also it recaps other human experiments tht have come to light… AND recaps UFO related information, the stories that can be attached to well known names… Some I had heard of, some not…

[T]he Guatemalan studies reportedly involved 1,500 men and women and took place between 1946 and 1948, according to The WashingtonPost as reported in its Saturday morning edition (Oct. 2, 2010; Page 1-A).

The full story, contained in a 29-page report by a Wellesley College history professor, is slated for publication in the January 2011 issue of The Journal of Policy History.

These latest findings, discovered by researcher and professor Susan Reverby, came to light incidentally to her research at University of Pittsburgh archives into the papers of John C. Cutler, a physician with the US Public Health Service, and his involvement with the Tuskeegee study. Cutler died in 2003.

Then-US Surgeon General Thomas Parran, Jr. was among a number of high ranking US government officials who also knew of the Guatemalan studies, according to Reverby’s report. Parran, who died in 1968, is quoted in the Post story: “You know, we couldn’t do such an experiment in this country.”

Parran quite likely knew very well that his statement was not true.

In reality, such experiments were widely conducted in the United States during this period, ironically while the US government proposed and signed the Nuremberg Code proscribing medical and other experimentation on unwitting human subjects.


I have not pulled it up yet, but the Boston Globe has been reporting that the STD experiments from ’46 – ’48 were done with the Guatemalan government in collaboration.

diane - 2 October 2010

…..figures it might be buried in dusty PITT archives (Pittsburgh area used to be as powerful as Sly Con Valley…and Carnegie Mellon University (CMU/Pittsburgh, and now Sly Con Valley) continues to operate behind secured, windlowless walls and closed doors) …

marisacat - 2 October 2010

what in particular is it you refer to? What is hidden in Pittsburgh PA?

So many things are touched on in the Cape Cod article…

diane - 2 October 2010

These latest findings, discovered by researcher and professor Susan Reverby, came to light incidentally to her research at University of Pittsburgh archives into the papers of John C. Cutler, a physician with the US Public Health Service, and his involvement with the Tuskeegee study. Cutler died in 2003.

(regarding: medical experiments on mental patients, prisoners and soldiers in Guatemala… )

marisacat - 2 October 2010

well there is a full report coming in January, bound to have more. And if Boston Globe is cracking off bits, just a day after it breaks, more will come.

I think Hill and Oblation were very fast to the apology. On a Friday.

Plus all this lousy debate should we :: shoudl we not apologise. The needed conversation is that our apologies are useless and empty.

diane - 2 October 2010

apologies way to late in the day indeed …(seemingly deliberate after the fact even, …. if one is in a particularly bleak and outraged mood …….)

I guess tomorrow “we” will apologize for deliberately toppling the government of Iran in 1953.

5. ts - 2 October 2010

Cockburn on the Rahmenator

Obama had Emanuel guiding him into one disaster after another. His predecessor in the White House,, George W. Bush, fared just as badly, if not worse at the hands of his political counselor, Karl Rove, to this day touted in the press and particularly on the left as a pastmaster in the dark arts of dirty politics.

The prime task of a political counselor is to keep his patron’s polling numbers high, and enhance his political clout. Rove left his employer with ratings in the low thirties, with almost zero political capital in the bank.

As he confided them to his associates Rove’s three aims for Bush’s second term were to privatize Social Security ­ America’s public pension system — push through an Immigration Act and firm up a permanent Republican majority. In the event, social security “reform” was the White House’s prime domestic political disaster in 2005. Rove’s handling of the immigration bill was so inept that Republican congressional leaders refused to talk to him and told Bush’s chief of staff to send someone else. Despite Emanuel’s diligent efforts to seize failure from the jaws of victory, Rove’s incompetence proved superior to Rahm’s and the “permanent Republican majority” turned to ashes in the polling booths in the midterm elections in 2006.

Rove’s last turn as arch demon of choice was as the alleged instigator of the firing of several federal prosecutors. Federal prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the president, so their arrivals and departures are always part of everyday political logrolling, as practiced by every presidency in historical memory. As with many of Rove’s political duties, this was handled with matchless incompetence and so the Democrats had a field day.

I also note that Taibbi has a Tea Party expose out this week. The main takeaway:
But after lengthy study of the phenomenon, I’ve concluded that the whole miserable narrative boils down to one stark fact: They’re full of shit. All of them. At the voter level, the Tea Party is a movement that purports to be furious about government spending — only the reality is that the vast majority of its members are former Bush supporters who yawned through two terms of record deficits and spent the past two electoral cycles frothing not about spending but about John Kerry’s medals and Barack Obama’s Sixties associations. The average Tea Partier is sincerely against government spending — with the exception of the money spent on them. In fact, their lack of embarrassment when it comes to collecting government largesse is key to understanding what this movement is all about — and nowhere do we see that dynamic as clearly as here in Kentucky, where Rand Paul is barreling toward the Senate with the aid of conservative icons like Palin.

But isn’t that the way it is now? Leaders of all parties run to keep their position at the money trough and not to win elections. Voters claim to be for whatever but are actually just for continuation of the status quo (their turn at the trough). One nation, full of shit.

marisacat - 2 October 2010

Leaders of all parties run to keep their position at the money trough and not to win elections.


6. marisacat - 2 October 2010

ugh. via Maggie Haberman at People Mag…

October 02, 2010

Categories: Bloomberg.

The rumor that won’t die

The Mayor Bloomberg-for-treasury-secretary rumor has popped up again, this time in connection with the departure of Rahm Emanuel from the White House.

Bloomberg, who recently told the Times’ Michael Barbaro that he wouldn’t be interested in a White House appointment because “I’m a doer,” also gets this nifty Drudge headline, that I’m sure won’t irritate some of President Obama’s backers at all: “Can this man save America?”

7. marisacat - 3 October 2010



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