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Visions 2 February 2011

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Egypt, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC, Pan Arab Revolt - 2011.
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Al Jazeera reporting that the numbers of pro-Moo forces, thugs, cops masquerading as people, are growing… from hundreds to ”thousands”. One rallying spot, AJ said, is their closed offices very close to Tahrir Square. Increased checkpoints, increased stopping people…

One twitter post said some pro-Moos are arriving on horseback as well. Matched with the army telling people to go home…

My local news is picking up the AJ feed now, showing pro-Moos breaking up rocks for “ammo”, attacking people, the army standing by, the military calling for the square to be cleared.  AND, they say, they are arriving on horse and camel.

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1. marisacat - 2 February 2011

Not that Tweety is the most astute political observer… but I think Moo should take his Welsh wif and go to the UK. [ 😆 Shoo! Shoo now!]

CHRIS MATTHEWS, to Dylan Ratigan, after Mubarak speech:

“What we may end up doing is giving him asylum, because in the end, that may be his only alternative.”

2. marisacat - 2 February 2011

This is a little intersting, at least in part, as Angry Arab says the buzz he hears is Bahrain is primed to follow in the mold of increased protests…

We shall see.

–ANDREA MITCHELL, following Chris:

“The army may have to facilitate his departure, because it may not safe for him to stay beyond tomorrow, beyond Friday. That was the informal deadline that the street protesters were delivering. … Perhaps … Mubarak will receive it bit by bit, and eventually it will become clear to him. … Leon Panetta, the CIA director, is in Bahrain today. … His travels are not … publicized … But he may be doing some hand-holding around the region, and also warning these leaders that they HAVE to democratize … or they will not survive. Now, they message that they MAY receive is that TOO much political power was distributed, and that they now have need to clamp down.”

We have such lame pundits. Really.

3. marisacat - 2 February 2011

Not just massing in front of the AlJazeera offices, frm Business Insider ( 😆 People Mag for biz! 😉 )

Earlier this morning on CNN Anderson Cooper reported that he and his group had been chased by a pro-Mubarek mob and that he’d benn punched 10 times in the head.

Just now he told CNN that there was no “rhyme or reason to it…just people looking for a fight” who attempted to grab the camera from their hands.

Last night CNN’s temporary office in Cairo was surrounded by pro-Mubarak forces who chanted below the balcony and threw rocks.

NBC’s Richard Engel on Morning Joe just now told Joe and Mika that it’s become dangerous for journalists on the ground in Cairo.

He notes that pro-Mubarak forces have been chasing journalists from the streets.

Read more: Link to BI

4. marisacat - 2 February 2011

Pro Moos throwing Molotov cocktails…

5. mattes - 2 February 2011

All for Israel. Again.

marisacat - 2 February 2011

The thugs have boxed people into the square.

6. marisacat - 2 February 2011

Pro Moos throwing Nolotov cocktails from roof tops… down into the crowds.

7. marisacat - 2 February 2011

Angry Arab has said for days that Moo is in Sharm al Sheik…

Mubarak is hiding in Sharm Al-Shaykh: ready to be air lifted by Israel

I knew that he was hiding there: this explains why Israel allowed for the deployment of troops in Sinai. (thanks Russel)

Posted by As’ad at 7:03 AM

He links back to the UK Telegraph

8. catnip - 2 February 2011

The collective media really need to stop calling these thugs “pro-Mubarak protesters”.

9. mattes - 2 February 2011

Rent-a-thugs can easily get out of control. I am sure Israel and all mideast dictators are backing Mubarak, but killing protestors will just inflame more people around the world. Catch 22. Obama needs to cut the aid, or at least threaten to do so. That will leave Saudis and Zionists to fund Mubarak. And once Saudis think it through…it will leave only Zionists.

Like the signs said. Game Over.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2011
11. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2011

Leave the libraries alone. You don’t understand their value.

What I personally hate about this bidding culture is that it sets one community, one group, one school, against another. If one wins, the other loses. I’ve always hated it. It started coming in when I left the teaching profession 25 years ago, and I could see the way things were going then. In a way it’s an abdication of responsibility. We elect people to decide things, and they don’t really want to decide, so they set up this bidding nonsense and then they aren’t really responsible for the outcome. “Well, if the community really wanted it, they would have put in a better bid … Nothing I can do about it … My hands are tied …”

And it always results in victory for one side and defeat for the other. It’s set up to do that. It’s imported the worst excesses of market fundamentalism into the one arena that used to be safe from them, the one part of our public and social life that used to be free of the commercial pressure to win or to lose, to survive or to die, which is the very essence of the religion of the market. Like all fundamentalists who get their clammy hands on the levers of political power, the market fanatics are going to kill off every humane, life-enhancing, generous, imaginative and decent corner of our public life. I think that little by little we’re waking up to the truth about the market fanatics and their creed. We’re coming to see that old Karl Marx had his finger on the heart of the matter when he pointed out that the market in the end will destroy everything we know, everything we thought was safe and solid. It is the most powerful solvent known to history. “Everything solid melts into air,” he said. “All that is holy is profaned.”

Market fundamentalism, this madness that’s infected the human race, is like a greedy ghost that haunts the boardrooms and council chambers and committee rooms from which the world is run these days.

marisacat - 2 February 2011

We elect people to decide things, and they don’t really want to decide, so they set up this bidding nonsense and then they aren’t really responsible for the outcome. “Well, if the community really wanted it, they would have put in a better bid … Nothing I can do about it … My hands are tied …”

yup.. precisely what Jerry is doing in Cali. It did not take smarts to see it coming, either… one reason I did not vote.

Yet another special election for taxes, to be called sometime in spring… “The epople” rejected this last time around with Arnold… but hey, let’s try it again so Jerry can say… “I went to the people”.

I smell Difi all over this one, and she was and is close to BOTH Arnold AND Jerry.

Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2011

no one wants to take real responsibility, for anything

12. mattes - 2 February 2011

Gibbs translated,
Aid is now under review. Obama wants transition ASAP, but obviously can’t say it publicly.

marisacat - 2 February 2011

LOL he also said that, somehow or other, Hillary never said what she said (that aid was not under review).

So much of the aid ends up with the Eqyptian mil, who are close to the Pentagon (from what I read).

Gah.

mattes - 2 February 2011

They’ll be taken this real slow. Hard to argue for moral ground if we support a massacre in anyway. Even the zionists.

catnip - 2 February 2011

Glad I missed Gibbs. I wasn’t quite ready for a nap yet.

ts - 2 February 2011

Transition should be understood as: from Mu to someone exactly like Mu.

They can unleash the goons but I think at this point all it will do is change the strategy of the opposition from overt to less so.

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2011
marisacat - 2 February 2011

oops 😳 link not working…

Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2011
marisacat - 2 February 2011

ooo thanks!

Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2011

it’s really something to see

14. catnip - 2 February 2011

Queen Noor coming up on Tweety’s show.

marisacat - 2 February 2011

oh Lordy. One of our nick-nacks.

catnip - 2 February 2011

She sounded nervous.

marisacat - 2 February 2011

oooo whupset coming! (or so she fears)

15. marisacat - 2 February 2011

Angry Arab has several times said Operation Ajax is being re worked for Eqypt. Mossadeq, 1953.

I googled and there is masses online, but this was fairly short (and while loaded iwth links, mercifully NOT in pdf form…)

One tidbit: as I scanned thru the text it adds that in the planning dox for Ajax, the word “blowback” was first used.

And how.

16. mattes - 2 February 2011

Roku Adds Live Feed Of Al Jazeera English
Arabic News Channel Available Free Via Internet Set-Top

http://www.multichannel.com/article/463327-Roku_Adds_Live_Feed_Of_Al_Jazeera_English.php

17. BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2011

AJ-E is reporting that Mubarak’s street forces have regrouped, massed, and have surrounded Tahrir Sq with wall-height barricades, are preparing for an imminent attack Tahrir square.

“Planned”, “imminent” “a trap” AJ’s correspondent with clear vantage point is reporting live. Mubaraks goons have left one opening for the revolutionaries to leave.,, funneling into a canyon of a blocked off street, where another encirclement of Mubarak Central Security Forces lay in wait…

BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2011

Now saying, a break from the Square crowd has run back Mubarak forces onto the bridge. Is going back and forth on the bridge

BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2011

I imagine Hillary Clinton in bubble wrap livery now, not that she could appear any more of the asshole than when she trotted out with the Sunday hounds…

So, thru another asshole, some bald faced spokesman peddling bald faced lies, the State Department is re-iterating how Madame Secretary has spoken with “Vice _President” { 😉 :Thug} Sulieman on this and with “Vice President” { 😉 :JackBoot} Sulieman on that and now calls on the Egyptian governmnet to investigate who is responsible for instigating today’s violence.

Oh I think she and Bill should just have the staff dress Obby and Michele in those cute little riding outfits the Kennedys favored for THEIR kids.

And get ridin. Like over the nearest cliff.

mattes - 2 February 2011

From what I can see, it’s still going on.

marisacat - 2 February 2011

Oh I think she and Bill should just have the staff dress Obby and Michele in those cute little riding outfits the Kennedys favored for THEIR kids.

And get ridin. Like over the nearest cliff.

So perfect. Edward K sure tried to make Obby his own personal Foundling.

marisacat - 2 February 2011

well Suleiman has also said, per AJ, that there will be “no dialogue til the protests stop”.

I just don’t see this getting better….

diane - 2 February 2011

A VOA analysis re Sulieman, …whatever the VOA’s objectives might be, the following, with a URL title of: and our Asshole just ain’t gettin with program. Spy-Apparatus-Critical-in-Egyptian-Crisis-, seems on target:

…former intelligence analyst Owen Sirrs, who has written what many analysts consider to be the definitive history of Egyptian intelligence, believes the attacks probably were organized by the country’s new vice president and former intelligence chief, General Omar Suleiman.

In his capacity as head of the Egyptian intelligence service, he is also the de facto head of the Egyptian intelligence community, General Suleiman would definitely be involved in something like this,” said Sirrs. “I have a feeling that these particular pro-Mubarak protesters would probably be affiliated in some way with the state security service, which is their domestic intelligence, quasi-FBI equivalent.”

Quite the title he’s been given:

In 2009, Foreign Policy magazine dubbed him the most powerful spy chief in the Arab world.

Why the “US” won’t likely be “unfreinding” him any time soon:

The General Intelligence Service has a long and close relationship with the U.S. CIA, say analysts, especially on counterterrorism matters.

Sounds like Egypt has an informant to dedicate to each protester in a march of one million:

Egypt’s domestic intelligence service, which is under the Interior Ministry, maintains a vast network of informants, ranging up to perhaps one million people by some estimates. ….

“This particular service has a reputation for brutality, for rounding up dissidents, indentifying dissidents, bringing them to the prisons, torturing them in the prisons,” said Sirrs. “And in some cases people die at the hands of the Mukhabarat agents.

Sirrs added, though, that the little-noticed military intelligence service may play the most crucial role in the Egyptian crisis. He noted that while it doesn’t directly suppress dissent, it does keep tabs on army personnel for their loyalty to the president and, perhaps more importantly, loyalty to the military leadership, which may be critical to any political move the army might make.

marisacat - 2 February 2011

I posted something frm Cpunch a couple of days ago that said in some ways the US is closer to Suleiman than to Moo… that often we used Suleiman as the conduit or the route to get Moo to do this or that. And the article did not mean to imply some good in this, that, whew we have someone in hand who can talk to Mooey.

diane - 2 February 2011

makes sense to me.

(and sorry for fucking up the link, on that hon, looks like I reversed the arrow before “a href,” the corrected link: Spy-Apparatus-Critical-in-Egyptian-Crisis-)

diane - 2 February 2011

oh …. thanks for that link fix hon, much better than my original, and certainly to the point…

;0)

18. catnip - 2 February 2011

From the Grave

Below are extracts from [Bertrand] Russell’s articles on political power and the book, “The Conquest of Happiness”, offset with extracts of Mubarak’s latest speech…

19. mattes - 2 February 2011

Legendary spook says Hosni is history come Friday

I want to believe Colonel Pat Lang. “Friday is likely to be the day”:

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/02/legendary-spook-says-hosni-is-history-come-friday.html

BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2011

I don’t think he’s going to make it till Friday… from what I’m seein now…

20. mattes - 2 February 2011
21. BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2011

Jeezis. just seeing OTHER footage of Street calvary thugs where groups of bare handed two and three, even individuals, moved out and were knocking Mubarak men off their horses and Camels…

This guy Mubarak is done, bloody awful not-soon-enough, but once you see that kind of stiffened street resistence, not a question if but when.

marisacat - 2 February 2011

it was intense… and masses of white horses (tho there were brown as well) sure looked like they came from a regimental stable…

22. BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2011

The other thing, Mubarak’s patrons, the US and Israel, HAVE to be thinking about assassinating him now if they plan to contain this leaving Sulieman intact. Not endorsing their schemes, certainly , and certainly not saying its going to work but they HAVE to be thinking that. It’s what they do. If US Israeli and Saudi PTB have hopes of managing this they have to be preparing an ultimatim: they will either render his ass or kill him. Period. That is of course assuming they are rational on the first count of recognizing the stall game jig is up. (Whatever their beliefs about the plausibility of Sulieman.)

To me, it looks like Mubaraks the one in the middle of the Hero Sandwich now…

marisacat - 2 February 2011

To me, it looks like Mubaraks the one in the middle of the Hero Sandwich now…

He’s lunch meat!!

diane - 2 February 2011

yup, sounds like….he’s probably despising Sulieman about now, maybe always has,….I don’t think murderous creeps at that level have any friends in the old fachioned sense of the word….

BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2011

I’d say so.

But the other other thing…if they REALLY do vote Hosni out of the Murderous Creep Club, – by assassinating him – it allows them to make further divisive mayhem, right down to silver bullet theories and competing claimants to be elevated or reviled, while the regime and its Patrons march on. Old as dirt. So methinks Mubarak is bargaining for his life right now whether he knows it or not….

diane - 2 February 2011

I’m thinking he know’s it ….

23. mattes - 2 February 2011

MubarAK said he wanted to die in Eygpt…he might get his wish.

Obviously world bank not happy.

BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2011

MJS at SMBIVA illustrates the tightening vise quite well:

Mubarak’s foolish gestures — the appointment of Suleiman, the promise not to “run” again — have entirely failed to pacify the crowds in Cairo. It appears that the last-ditchers in the regime have rallied round him and decided to try repression, rather than attempting the experiment of bundling La Vache’s sorry ass onto an airplane.

It’s hard to see why; business as usual could quite easily go on without Mubarak, surely, if only those pesky people in the street would just go home.

And maybe they would go home, if Mubarak retired to Jiddah — or Kiryat Shemona.

Why wouldn’t things be already post-Mooby in shaping US, Israeli, and Arab client state rescue efforts? One in which Mooby doesn’t make the boat. No reason at all.

Oh I imagine our connivers told Hosni to give the clubs a whirl, maybe it’ll work.
You got camels still? Fine. Have at. That shit.

My contemplation of the obvious for their next move is to get rid of him AND let chaos reign long enough to rationalize Sulieman or some other General getting a whirl.
Then Baradei. Etc. I just think , at best, the note left for Hosni now is Lay off the jet-black Just For Men. You’ll be Okay!

A prollem tho, LOL: Hosni’s an Asshole~ (such a drag when yer Sadat assassin / turned Ironfisted Tyranical Autocrat is VAIN too, ya know)
and our Asshole just ain’t gettin with program.
So Takeitaway, Smith:

But for whatever reason, the decision to repress has clearly been taken. Hence the flying squads of goons and cops — sorry for the tautology — unleashed against the demonstrators today.

Looks like a hinge of fate to me. The possibility of pacifying the crowds, after today, looks a lot more remote, even if Mubarak did take off. The regime has committed itself to a trial of force.

He’ll either go or Gates will have him killed.
Places to go, things to do, etc.

marisacat - 2 February 2011

and our Asshole just ain’t gettin with program.

yeah i think that is a huge part of what happened. And he has gone all bizaare sentimental on how much he means to Egypt, how he over did him self for his beloved country, etc. All that, given myself to the nation for too long, ec…

He probably did really envision turning it over to Gamal, in some flower strewn ceremony on Nile boats or something. Than at some point, a procession when he died to the Valley of the Kings (or wherever they shove the bones now).

Now he will die in some other land, buried NOT at “home”.

BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2011

Boy did he fuck up Biblical.
His pal Bibi wants to be King of Omnipotent Israel

mattes - 2 February 2011

Slime ball Richard Hass was on one of the shows linking Baradei to Muslim Brotherhood. Guess they finally got their talking per telaviv.

marisacat - 2 February 2011

well MB endorsed him. Kind of a problem with western propaganda.

He is doesn’t seem to be actively chosen by the anti Moos, so honestly I don’t see that it matters.

Kind of rude flying in after 30 years abroad and claiming you “care”.

24. BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2011

Sorry, missed the link to SMBIVA

25. marisacat - 2 February 2011

New

LINK

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