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Not just an “uprising”. 11 February 2011

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, DC Politics, Egypt, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC, Pan Arab Revolt - 2011, Riyadh.
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29 January:   The end   

Protesters make a statement with the destruction of a central security forces truck in downtown Cairo   Photo:  Hossam el-Hamalawy

And:  May it spread.

From one of several galleries, new today, at the Guardian.  Several shots from January 29, which, iirc, is a day many died.  One photo even shows that birdshot used against the protesters was Made in the USA.

Arms dealers to the world.  Among other job descriptions we fulfill.

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1. marisacat - 11 February 2011

From BHHM, at the end of the previous thread:

LOL. Just spied this on DK.

The entirety of Obby’s forthcoming speech leaked?

Obama un-friends Mubarak
by mattinjersey

11 comments

Speaking of how the West tried so hard to credit social media with the uprising revolt revolution,…. the people dodged so many bullets including our effort (really strong here in the West of the West where he has relatives + you know GOOGLE) to push GoogleMan to be their leader….

Of course social media will be used. Ya know, like the PHONE. The Written Word. Tin cans and string.

Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2011

shouting from the rooftops, songs in the streets … etc.

diane - 11 February 2011

my thoughts exactly.

2. BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2011

El Baradei just said on CNN as far as he knows Sulieman is out too..mildly interesting if true.

But E.B. quickly says he talked to Papandreou Jr of Greece 🙄 on the difficulties ahead.
Yeh. Well.
Papandreou just hosted a delegation of AIPAC investors to come and pick through the ruins…

THESSALONIKI, Greece — A group of American Jewish leaders has begun a five-day visit to Greece, amid an improvement in once cool ties between Greece and Israel.
::
Greek and Israeli officials say the two countries are in preliminary talks on potential energy deals involving Israeli offshore natural gas deposits.

Yeh, whose coast are they talking about?
::

Baradei went on to say there is “much goodwill in DC.”

Says The Proceessssssss will take a very ,
VERY Lonnnnng time.
Says he wants to hear Obama saaaay we won’t ever support authoritarian regimes.
::

Ah, well.
The fucking carpetbagging weasels are , what else
– on the ground.

marisacat - 11 February 2011

I think Turkey and Greece should find a way to band together.

BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2011

I like the way you think.

marisacat - 11 February 2011

I am not expecting an all out effort from Barry and BabyFatHunter Michelle in the RE-elect. They are so clearly disinterested.

mattes - 11 February 2011

The Gas belongs to Gaza…I blogged on it years ago. They had just signed contracts with foreign investors before Cast Iron, Butterflies in the Sky or whatever the hell the zionists call it.

marisacat - 11 February 2011

The gas fields and that Palestinians have rights to those fields is behind a lot that happens. Happened.

😆 I am expecting Angry Arab to say, mine the fields via the tunnels. He’s now saying the tunnels have traffic cops.

Works for me!

3. BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2011

AJ E has just given the mic over to Jim McDermott..Just laying the slobber on thick.

Today’s TPMs for the History books?

Obby Splendid.
Nimble on his feet.
Behind the scenes.

Nimble.

GMAFB.

marisacat - 11 February 2011

Obby Splendid.
Nimble on his feet.
Behind the scenes.

He’s on that basketball court too damned much. 😆 😆

I know being pretzel is boring for him, but ….

4. BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2011

General Barry “Dentu-grip” McCaffrey,
our old Dope Warrior, emphasis Dope-
on MSNBC..

They really need to establish that police forcethere in Cairo because there WILL be trouble , there will be trouble from young men there with their first taste of freedom

Oh Ooga Fuckin Booga, Barry: Try another apple, Buck.

5. marisacat - 11 February 2011

hmm The Guardian:

The best kind of travelling Medicine Show!

Algeria, the oil-rich, military-dominated north African state, is braced for a day of pro-democracy protests, despite a ban on demonstrations in the capital, Algiers, and a large security presence intent on containing any uprising inspired by Egypt or Tunisia.

A key energy exporter and the biggest country in the Maghreb, Algeria last month used its powerful armed forces to contain several days of rioting, triggered by price rises for sugar and cooking oil.

At least five people died and around 800 were injured in demonstrations against youth unemployment, poor housing and corruption, including several people who set themselves alight.

Now a hastily formed umbrella group of civil associations, independent trade unionists and small political parties has called for a national day of protest on Saturday , under the slogan “Changing the system”. It is calling for an end to 12 years of authoritarian rule by Abdelaziz Bouteflika and his generals.

6. mattes - 11 February 2011

I respect the people on this blog. I want to keep blogging here. I missed my hiatus from blogging.

But, here goes….I think Obama has maded many decisions I disagee with, but this time I think he played it right.

Ducks for cover….

marisacat - 11 February 2011

His remarks appear “delayed”.

Fretting over the text, I would guess. Or greasing his teeth.

Hillary Mann Leverett just on AJ. She served in the Clinton admin. Don’t think she will be invited to too many State functions. She clearly stated that Obby Biden and Hillary have surely been madly burning up the phone lines for weeks, to the CIA “point man”. Working ot manage and contain.

I am just weary of the same game, different face.

mattes - 11 February 2011

What I believe was that Wisner/Hillary/StateDept/Biden/CIA/Zionists…were not calling all the shots.

Hence the slap shot at Wisner [Hillary’s choice]. After that, Obama sidelined Hillary.

I am open to new info, just trying to read between the lines.

I also warned you early, I am a “sentimental” practical ideologist.

I want to believe in humanity. And for some reason as humans we need meaning/purpose in our lives. For years I have see cruelty reign. But, I am hopeful that we can change direction, at least for awhile.

As an ideologist, I envision a goal, but as a practicalist I know it’s unattainable. So therefore it’s the process and the journey that is left. All I can control is the values I hold on that journey. Sometimes I fall on the right, sometimes I fall on the left. Then I attempt to get back on the razor’s edge.

I believe in the Chinese that say all is a cycle. I believe in the Bhadgavad Gita that says we must play the hand we are dealt with courage. I believe in the Tao that we are all part of the one. And my buddha nature says all we really have is the now. And the Christian in me says we “are” our brother’s keeper. And I am an Islamist that says the one can never be described.

And I fail in all of my beliefs, but:

I think “feel” it’s okay in sharing the joy in Egypt tonight.

…and now I am embarrassed. 🙂

marisacat - 11 February 2011

For years I have see cruelty reign. But, I am hopeful that we can change direction, at least for awhile.

The wars are up. The bombings are up, the drone attacks are up. Hell – – – – raids and arrests of US dissidents are up….Ob has a decided taste, unlike Bush who threatened but never followed thru, for going after whistle blowers.

Sorry, but it turns my humanist stomach. I don’t see that he has done anything that is USDA “Good”.. He and Hilarious were always two sides of the same coin.

Same stuff, different face. and because time moves forward, WORSE.

Jesus, there are credit cards now, just one simple thing, that charge up to 99% interest. Oh but we had “FinReg” already…

It gets impossibly old.

mattes - 11 February 2011

Yes, we are falling apart, and my hope is, that we will see positive changes in Egypt. And that what happens there, changes what happens here.

BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2011

What I believe was that Wisner/Hillary/StateDept/Biden/CIA/Zionists…were not calling all the shots.

Oh definitely true, mattes. I would just ask, and I’d hope you know its with a feeling of kinship on my part, but doesn’t that very premise, when seeing thru the PTB as “calling the shots”, doesn’t that conflict with a sense that “Obama played it well”?

The questions IMO, then become: Is Obama and his Admin, (I would say ANY of them past or likely to emerge out of the stables here) Are any claims of supporting “democracy” in the ME credible? How? Expanding the Wars? While maintaining “unequivocal support for Israel”?
The Sacred Relationship?

I would ask: What does the Egyptian Revolution , hell, any revolution teach? That “change” comes from “players” within the system?

mattes - 11 February 2011

let me think about what you said….gibbs departure now…obama speaking….

mattes - 11 February 2011

My 2 cents:

I think Bush bought into the Clean Break Plan. But, the solution there was that democracy was only possible from outside forces. Military force. [His first try in Palestine had failed.] In his pubescent anger, he let Israel punish Gaza.

Obama in his first speech clearly put the responsibility on the Egyptian’s shoulders. State dept even gave classes to dissidents on how to bring about peaceful change toward democracy.

Though, I think Hillary was quickly pressured by tel aviv to back mubarak/suleiman once they witnessed it might actual take place. Obama trusted Hillary and she sent Wisner, then Obama had to separate himself from Wisner’s remarks.

Then Gibbs came out and said transition should have happened yesterday, per instructions from Obama, I am sure he ate crap for that.

It was Hillary that openly called for Suleiman, not Obama, and Obama could not be seen as calling for the next Egyptian leader, so he voiced only support for the Egyptian “people”. That was the right move. Bet Obama has read the art of war.

If Obama did not show “unequivocal support for Israel” he’d be shot in less than a week.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/feb/05/egypt-protests?intcmp=239

What he has obviously failed at is reigning in the banks and wallstreet. No one can come up for a new paradigm for our antiquated financial systems without completely crashing the old. They are blackmailing us.

This HAS to be the next revolution. Central banks and control through debt.
ala, John Perkins book.

http://www.askbutwhy.com/2009/04/john-perkins-iceland-and-kicking-imf-in.html

He threw us a bone with Warren, but he has a long way to go.

No matter how he started out, he could change. This is a battle of ideas and vision.

And leaders clearly, now, can come and go quickly.

What scares me most is the dumbing down of Americans by Beck/Rush/Limbug and company.

That has yet to play out.

Trump/Palin ticket ya!

Also, wonder why so many rats are abandoning the Congress. Something suspect.

mattes - 11 February 2011
BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2011

Oh I got a nerball and noogie for ya! 😉

C’mon mattes, not in the middle of Being There.

“The Garden is a good Garden”, I’m sure,
but REALLY! 😉

There will be growth in the Spring???

My .02, anyways.

marisacat - 11 February 2011

I think it is closer to The Secret Garden. .

BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2011

The other thing too, in all seriousness,
It’s not over
We have an abdication. Which is great.
But The policy imperatives of the US, Israel and the Saudi Royals haven’t changed a bit. This could easily lead to atomization, the cleavage of Sinai, ..it is certainly a hopeful development, today, essential, and I’d like to think very positive in the long run, but believing there will not be every effort made to thwart gains self determining aims I think is quite a stretch. Love to be mistaken, tho.

mattes - 11 February 2011

This was an ideologist revolution.

We need to keep blogging the nuance of all the possiblities. I agree this so only the first step.

No one has the answer. How can we progress human rights around the world without throwing the western world’s middleclass into poverty.

World trade has obviously been a failure. Wallstreet and the central banks are still bringing us to our knees. Our politicians are still controlled if not by money, by blackmail.

I for one think we need to make space for the young Egyptians to see if they can create a new paradigm. That is what I expect from my president.

If they fail, they still have today. The joy they experience today will last a lifetime.

marisacat - 11 February 2011

I think this was a Fed Up revolution.

But they have been so smart. I am betting on them. and the people in the labor groups… the years of strikes… and that in many cities and towns they fended off, day after day day after day, the blows.

mattes - 11 February 2011

That too.

7. BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2011

😆
{ala catnip’s earlier comment to find Biden on the screen. This marquee is floating around now.

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden Describes Revolution
as “pivotal moment” in History.

O YA – a Big Fuckin Deal, that makeover.

Hai Karate? Aqua Velva anyone?

8. marisacat - 11 February 2011

The Swiss have frozen Moo’s assets.

yum yum.

9. marisacat - 11 February 2011

Angry Arab (I put in graf breaks):

Reflections on the (Possible) Revolution in Egypt

This is big: very big. I was talking to a friend earlier: this is possibly the biggest strategic shift in the Middle East since the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982. The beauty of it for dreamers (and its alarm for enemies like Israel) is that it is unpredictable. The biggest victory is that `Umar Sulaman is out of the picture now. Israel/US/Saudi Arabia were hoping that he would be the extension of Mubarak until some other clone of Mubarak is found. That was not meant to be.

Don’t get me wrong: US and Saudi Arabia will now rush with bags of gold and cash to influence all members of the military command council. The beauty of that is that there is no one person: it is a collective leadership (even if this rules for a transitional period) and the momentum of the Egyptian people will restrict their powers, notwithstanding wishes to the contrary by US/Israel/Saudi Arabia.

One person in the council will emerge; we don’t know who: and there will be leaks and back stabbing and plots and conspiracies. There will be chaos in Egypt: which is good. People will come from nowhere: don’t memorize the news names of this developing news story: you will hear of new names soon.

This is a big strategic development: if Tunisia affected Egypt: Egypt is destined to affect the entire region (unless you believe that the announcement of cash bonuses from the Bahraini King this morning was a pure act of charity. Israel is in deep trouble, as is the US; Egypt was an intelligence and sabotage center.

The entire country and its dyamics are now unleashed on the word. There will be new ideas and new current and trends. Certainly, the freer the Arabs are, the more trouble for the US/Israel/Saudi Arabia. Read the statement of the Saudi foreign minister: he just yesterday remembered the justice of the Palestinian cause. There is panic in Arab ruling circles.

I spoke to a dear Jordanian friend this morning: he was calling to congratulate me. I told him: I now think that I will finally see your farm in Jordan. Those who stood by the Egyptian uprising (the Arab people and Hizbullah–Hamas was too afraid to speak a word–and Aljazeera and Arab nationalists everywhere) will be in the good grace of the Egyptian uprising. And those who were opposed: the Wahhabi Arab liberals, Israel, House of Saud and its propaganda outlets will be in trouble. Let me put it this way: Saudi princes will not feel comfortable in returning to the brothels of Cairo anytime soon.

The shock for Israel and US is double: not only is Mubarak gone, but so is Sulayman. The ouster of Sulayman ran against their scheme. I believe that Mubarak arranged for that (although the people insisted on it) to get back at the US. Leaving them to scramble.

The good thing is that Minister of Defense Tantawi has the leadership skills of Joe (six pack) Biden [yum yum – Mcat]. Stay tuned.

Posted by As’ad at 11:14 AM

catnip - 11 February 2011

The biggest victory is that `Umar Sulaman is out of the picture now.

Is he? I’ve been trying to follow all of this from Renovation Square but I hadn’t heard that.

marisacat - 11 February 2011

Soem reports said that….

mattes - 11 February 2011

Sulmie himself said it. IMO.

10. BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2011

State Department preparing aid packages to Opposition Parties.

Uh-huh.
Can’t fund-match 3rd Parties here, but, ya know…

catnip - 11 February 2011

I heard Tweety earlier: we can help them set up primaries!

lol…what a fool.

mattes - 11 February 2011

If they recover moomies’s stash, they don’t need our money.

…well, let them take our money. We’ve lost control anyway. Many Egyptians seem to be far more educated than the average american. Our loss.

11. catnip - 11 February 2011

Isn’t this the same speech Obamalama gave yesterday?

catnip - 11 February 2011

“powerful wind”: Winding the future!

catnip - 11 February 2011

“the wheel of history turned”: Wheeling the future!

marisacat - 11 February 2011

oh the jokes write themselves. Yikes…. they really do!

Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2011
marisacat - 11 February 2011

He’s tryring to say he was always in Tahrir Sq. They just could nto see him, he was hiding til the moment was….. right.

12. mattes - 11 February 2011

Becks and Palins must be going f’en crazy.

Trumps running, might be good for a few laughs here.

13. mattes - 11 February 2011

Loving the ynet headlines.

Ben-Eliezer: Mubarak slammed US in phone call

Ousted Egyptian leader slams ‘misguided’ US quest for Mideast democracy in talk with Labor Knesset member

snip

“He repeated the sentence, ‘I have been serving my country, Egypt, for 61 years. Do they want me to run away? I won’t run away. Do they want to throw me out? I won’t leave. If need be, I will be killed here.'”

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4027293,00.html

Guess he changed his mind…

And the sky is falling…the sky is falling:

Ex-Egypt envoy: Israel in trouble

Zvi Mazel, former ambassador to Cairo, says Israel facing ‘hostile situation’ following Mubarak’s downfall. ‘The army will rule Egypt for years. It’s a whole new world, with no one left to lead the pragmatic states’

Israel’s former ambassador to Egypt was particularly pessimistic Friday after hearing of President Hosni Mubarak’s dramatic resignation.

“It’s over, Egypt is no longer a superpower,” former Israeli Ambassador to Cairo Zvi Mazel told Ynet. “Egypt has completely lost its status in the area, while Turkey and Iran are on the way up. It’s a different world.”

“As long as we had Mubarak, there was no void in our relations with the region. Now we’re in big trouble,” he said.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4027283,00.html

14. marisacat - 11 February 2011

😆

Love the thought of the tunnels. I am expecting continuation of near open warfare in the Sinai.

Gaza tunnels

Please, please. Those who are entering through the Gaza tunnels, try to observe the newly-installed traffic lights to avoid traffic jams. We need to get organized.

Posted by As’ad at 11:52 AM

marisacat - 11 February 2011

I think in a heart beat the Palestinians will have more food.

mattes - 11 February 2011

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

…then we laugh at them.

The communicaids from the military were a riot. :))

15. BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2011

Jesus.
First Mooby, then Sulieman,
now the ‘gyptians got GIBBSIE! 😆

catnip - 11 February 2011

Lipless: the very same contacts in Egypt that we have are the ones that you (the media) have.

How do you spell “incompetence”?

marisacat - 11 February 2011

That’s like when pols try to sell the hoi polloi that they “only know what I read in the papers”.

Whoever decided that slop worked as spin, knew the American pipple too well.

marisacat - 11 February 2011

Man down!

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2011

wow, just so great to see the joy on peoples’ faces in the street …

I hope it continues, I hope they understand that this is just the beginning, that they have to keep pushing or some version of the old regime will be reinstalled.

I heard on on the radio that people in Tunisia are making pilgrimages to the home of the young man you immolated himself in protest, thanking his family for the revolutions he inspired.

The cynic in me keeps whispering “just wait …”, but what a wonderful thing to see.

17. diane - 11 February 2011

Taking a short break from desperately attempting to find a reprieve, with loved ones, from one of Cali’s numerous ‘benevolent’ hells, its RepugocRat Thugs have nourished and rubberstamped, to check nooz and send hugs out.

Speaking of Cali hells, fell upon this while trying to determine what Jerry Brown’s plans are in furthering the above referenced hell, I’ve been too fucking despondent about it to even be sarcastic about it (hope to get to that point soon):

PROCLAMATION
BY THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

On February 6th, I ask [proclaim – diane] that all Californians celebrate Ronald Reagan’s legacy on the centennial anniversary of his birth. His buoyant optimism and deep faith in America are as inspiring today as they were when he served the Nation as our President.

(I can’t find a way to directly link to the ‘Proclamation,’ but it can be seen presently on the far right Latest News sidebar, titled, Governor Brown Issues Proclamation Declaring Ronald Reagan Centennial Day …..Such Hard Work being Governor and looking out for the Public Welfare.)

This asides, actually was able to stir up a yum, yum from me, you’ve gotta look at the piccies for full effect:

‘I’m fed up of your stupidity, get on the plane!’ …heh, tough luck bitch? ….. Picked the wrong monster? ………………………………

But what brings me the most solace now is the wee peeps of misr! … I love them!
;0)

marisacat - 11 February 2011

Same greasy pot of non humanity.

I am sure Jerry is mindful of however many in Cali voted for RR… esp in ’84… and how many of them might be alive today. Something like tht.

Creeps like creeps. More like that…

diane - 11 February 2011

(sorry, link re Jerry Brown’s tonguing (have I spelled that correctly?) Regan’s corpse, …hmmm …good sign sarcasm capacity … ;0) )

diane - 11 February 2011

hmmm ….the Bay Area, Cali’s ONLY “BLACK” FM RADIO STATION is playing some mighty sweet music presently, Luther, …as I write this,…maybe its disc jockey’s can throw off that FOX NETWORK YOKE, … sometime soon …..jus sayin ….

diane - 11 February 2011

…do you think I should have boldfaced the Regan’s Corpse link hon? …..I can’t decide which effect would be more appropriate …I’m muddled …… :0) ;0( ;0)

hugs ….gotta run …….

marisacat - 11 February 2011

Cockburn has a glance back on Reagan (below the Egypt reporting)…

and I must say if I ever knew this detail, I had forgotten it. Tho I had heard that when the Challenger blew up, Reagan kind of blearily asked, “was it the one with the teacher on it”.

The explosion of the Challenger space shuttle of January 28, 1986,, which disaster prompted one of the peak kitsch moments in a presidency that was kitsch from start to finish. Reagan ended his address to the nation thus: “We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for their journey and waved good-bye and ‘slipped the surly bonds of earth’ to ‘touch the face of God’.”

In fact it was the White House that had doomed Christa McAuliffe and her companions to be burned alive in the plummeting Challenger. The news event required the Challenger to go into orbit and be flying over Congress while Reagan was delivering his state of the union address. He was to tilt his head upward and, presumably gazing through the long-distance half of his spectacles, (one lens was close-up, for speech reading,) send a presidential greeting to the astronauts. But this schedule required an early morning launch from chill January Canaveral. Servile NASA officials ordered the Challenger aloft, with the frozen O-ring fatally compromised. ….

Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2011

and despite warnings of problems with that part of the system, for years …

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2011

Old Glory Holes

Like so much else, the golden age of American propaganda has passed. Now we’re directly, crudely told to obey our masters and their military wing. Instead of shaking off the cobwebs and forging some kind of resistance, most Americans go meekly along, hoping not to lose their jobs or their homes. Sophisticated lies aren’t needed anymore — consumers are trapped and show no signs of stirring. This saves the PR industry billions. Wave a big flag, push a few Afghan vets into view, have fighter jets streak overhead, and compliance is pretty much guaranteed.

This is why Christina Aguilera’s National Anthem fuck up was beautiful to see. It would have been sweeter had Aguilera intentionally flubbed the lyrics, but she’s no celebrity class traitor. Aguilera simply forgot the words, which sent reactionaries into predictable fits. Yet what Aguilera did was thoroughly American.

Not knowing the words to the National Anthem is minor. A great number of Americans have no knowledge of their country’s history, much less the song that celebrates it, but this ignorance doesn’t stop them from humping Old Glory. Indeed, it fuels nationalist frenzies. Less intelligence is more. Next year have the Anthem sung by CGI dogs with celebrity voices, one of whom should be Christina Aguilera. After all, Americans are a forgiving people.

marisacat - 11 February 2011

I noticed Hedges, over at Truth Dig says we have the most successful propaganda of all time. Insist to the people they are free, freer than has ever been, and just keep saying it.

Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2011

people say it themselves now … it doesn’t need to be pushed anymore.

marisacat - 11 February 2011

oh yeah they totally bought in.

Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2011

Nascar fans of their own selves.

brinn - 11 February 2011

…so often times it happens, we live our lives in chains, and never even know we hold the key…

Cheesyass Eagles song, but that bit just popped into my head! 😉

People in other countries (many of whom I’ve had the pleasure to know quite well) just goggle (as in agog, not google) over what we tout as “freedom”….

Madman in the Marketplace - 11 February 2011

I’m a sucker for that cheesyass Eagles song.

19. BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2011

Bill Richardson Lying his ass off on CNN.

Israel Peace Treaty must be maintained , because, you knooo, Egypt was an honest broker in the Peace process these last 30 years.
And their help in fighting trrrr.

Can’t we all just Mooby Moo, ya know, get along?

marisacat - 11 February 2011

Oh that makes me laugh: he and the WH couldn’t even agree if he went to NK under their auspices or not.

Slopppeee. Both sides.

20. marisacat - 11 February 2011

neue

LINK

………. 😯

21. BooHooHooMan - 11 February 2011

Ugh.
War Criminal, NeoCon Jew, WOLFOWITZ now

Omar Sulieman is clearly a transitional figure, and if we don’t have the military support him we may miss our chance.

::

You also have to give Mubarak a lot of credit that he was not willing to shed a lot of blood over this.


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