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Meat eater 19 February 2011

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC, Pan Arab Revolt - 2011, Riyadh.

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1. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2011
2. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2011
3. marisacat - 19 February 2011


–NBC’s “Meet the Press“: Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL); U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Dr. Susan Rice; roundtable with former Gov. Jennifer Granholm (D-MI), former Rep. Harold Ford (D-TN), former RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie and CNBC’s Rick Santelli

–ABC’s “The Week“: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

–CBS’s “Face the Nation“: Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI); Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD); New York Times’ David E. Sanger; with additional reports from CBS News correspondents in the Middle East)

–“Fox News Sunday“: Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI); Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO); roundtable with the Weekly Standard’s Bill Kristol, NPR’s Mara Liasson, former State Department official Liz Cheney and Fox News’ Juan Williams

–CNN’s “State of the Union“: Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld; Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY); Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN)

–CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS” (Sun. 10 a.m. ET / 1 p.m. ET): Soros Fund Management, LLC Chairman and Open Society Fund Founder George Soros; Harvard University’s Tarek Masoud; Carnegie Endowment for International Peace’s Karim Sadjadpour and journalist and author Hooman Majd

–C-SPAN: “The Communicators” (SAT 6:30pm ET): Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), questioned by The Hill’s Gautham Nagesh … “Newsmakers” (Sun. 10 a.m. ET / 6p.m. ET): Republican Study Committee Chairman Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), questioned by The Hill’s Russell Berman and POLITICO’s Jonathan Allen … “Q&A” (Sun. 8 p.m. ET / 11 p.m. ET): Former Defense Secretary and author Donald Rumsfeld (“Known and Unknown”)

–Univision’s “Al Punto“: Mexican Ambassador to the U.S. Arturo Sarukhan; political analyst Victoria de Franceso and Chicago Sun-Times columnist Alejandro Escalona; Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL); roundtable with BBC Mundo’s Alfredo Ochoa and journalist Laura Martinez (“Mi Blog Es Tu Blog”)

–NBC’s “The Chris Matthews Show“: Roundtable with POLITICO’s John F, Harris, NBC’s Kelly O’Donnell, the Huffington Post’s Howard Fineman and the Atlanta Journal Constitution’s Cynthia Tucker

–TV One’s “Washington Watch with Roland Martin” (Sun. 11a.m. ET): Former Atlanta Mayor, former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. and civil rights activist Andrew Young; ordained minister and youngest child of Dr. Martin Luther King Elder Bernice King; National Museum of African American History and Culture Director Lonnie Burch; actor Anthony Mackie

4. marisacat - 19 February 2011

Narrative, agenda… whatever.

Apparnetly from EJ Dionne’s column on Monday (so says Mike Allen)

… [A]ny fair examination of the news suggests that [Obama] is in danger of losing control of the national narrative again, just as he did during the stimulus and health care battles.

5. marisacat - 19 February 2011

hmm picking up on the Alan Smithee thought from previous thread (DNC submariners heading in to WI to scuttle):

[O]bama has deployed his political operation to support public employees rallying to block a Republican bill cutting benefits and scuttling collective bargaining rights.

Union officials have been pressuring the White House to speak out forcefully [what a laugh! -Mcat] against Walker’s attempt to roll back pension and health care payments to plug a $3.6 billion budget gap — and administration allies have been in close contact with labor leaders for a week, officials say.

Organizing for America, Obama’s 2008 grass-roots campaign organization posted a statement on its website late Thursday, announcing it “is mobilizing on the ground in Wisconsin to defend the rights of public employees from an attempt by the governor to take away their right to organize.” …

Mobilise the petite non-existants. Riiiight.

And this:

[D]emocratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine and new DNC executive director Patrick Gaspard, a former union official and onetime White House political director, have been talking with Wisconsin labor leaders for several days, according to two labor officials. …

That twit. Two twits. Two bits of nothing.

6. marisacat - 19 February 2011

Yes yes we vetoed, but NO ONE stood with us.

U.S. vetoes UN settlements resolution

The Obama administration issued its first UN Security Council veto Friday, when U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice voted alone against a resolution declaring Israeli settlement activity to be illegal.

The 14-1 vote failed after Rice raised her hand alone to vote in opposition to the resolution, which had several dozen co-sponsors, including the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Russia, Serbia, China, etc.

Rice said the U.S. vote against the resolution should not be misunderstood as U.S. support for Israeli settlement activity.
[well what the fuck should we “understand”, then ??? — Mcat]

“On the contrary, we reject in the strongest possible terms the legitimacy of continued settlement activity,” Rice told the Security Council after the vote. “For more than four decades, [Israeli settlement activity] has undermined security …corroded hopes for peace and security … it violates international commitments and threatens prospects for peace.”

But, Rice said, “this resolution risks hardening the positions of both sides.” [oh noes. – Mcat]

The British, Russian, and Chinese ambassadors were among those who rose to speak in favor of the failed resolution after the vote.

Though the U.S. vetoed the measure, given the seeming unanimity of other countries supporting the resolution, coupled with Rice’s unhappy statement after her veto, Israel appeared increasingly isolated, as its neighborhood is in turmoil and changing rapidly in ways the United States cannot control.

And that is from Laura Rozen, hardly a firebrand of any sort.


mattes - 19 February 2011

Comments are a stitch:

If the world were just, the next time the US goverment tries to push through an anti-Iranian UN Resolution, I hope the Russkies veto it and say, “this resolution risks hardening the positions of both sides.”

President Obama: Please proceed to AIPAC to pick up your campaign contribution. Another disgraceful day for the US.

Posted By: Matthew

This time. Abbas played it right. He refused to pull the resolution. The zionists would have thrown themselves down in tantrums if the US had not voted it. And now that we have, they are crying in their gin, or whatever they drink, that Israel has lost because now they are even MORE isolated. hahahaha

7. mattes - 19 February 2011

Isolated, but determent to keep taking land, thereby destroying Palestine. BUT, aipac does not control our politicians.

They continue the culling and are now sending jewish students into Hebron. Learn genocide, early & up close.

marisacat - 19 February 2011

They have had Orthodox students in Hebron before, an old plan re-played. Plus, how many did they ever pull out, I would wonder.

I consdier Israel our war partner. This ”who controls who” is a snipe hunt imo.

But provides excuses for Americans.

Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2011

they won’t be happy until everyone is dead.

mattes - 19 February 2011

West B, when all else fails, target the children:

Trying to destroy the peaceful demonstrations:

Israeli army targets and arrests children in order to repress Palestinian dissent in the West Bank

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/02/israeli-army-targets-and-arrests-children-in-order-to-repress-palestin ian-dissent-in-the-west-bank.html

Israeli military attacks nonviolent protest in southern West Bank village and arrests 13 boys from village playground

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/02/israeli-military-attacks-nonviolent-protest-in-southern-west-bank-vill age-and-arrests-13-boys-from-village-playground.html

And Zionists are working on giving Jews in the West Bank full rights:

Panel to consider applying Israeli law to settlements

Removal of military law would make it difficult, if not impossible, to impose a freeze on West Bank Jewish construction, and strip Barak of the ability to authorize building.


ts - 19 February 2011

“We have no solution. You shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wishes may leave, and we will see where this process leads.”

Moshe Dayan, 1985

8. mattes - 19 February 2011
9. catnip - 19 February 2011

Reports coming out of Libya that Gaddafi is killing some of the senior members of the military to avoid a coup.

catnip - 19 February 2011
marisacat - 19 February 2011

ooo that is a great site…

catnip - 19 February 2011

With a sense of humour:

[19/02/2011 20:49:23] Thingy’s supporters are trying to make a big scene in Green Square (Central Tripoli) at the moment

[19/02/2011 20:49:30] fireworks and celebrations to quench morale

[19/02/2011 20:49:49] and film reassuring footage for libyan TV I’m guessing

[19/02/2011 20:49:54] (then again, no one watches libyan tv anyway)

[19/02/2011 20:50:13] (so that’s a bit of a moot point)

10. mattes - 19 February 2011

Lol, a plan:

A cunning plan …

Here is what I think the market would like to see: a solution that encompasses the messy situation in the Middle East, the debt problem in Europe, inflation across the world and the unemployment issue in America.


1. Arab potentates across the Middle East decamp with their money to Europe. No scratch that: they just decamp to Europe where their money already is hidden in various money laundering havens.
2. As a condition for tolerating the presence of these geriatric autocrats and their forbiddingly fundamentalist entourage, European governments require them to purchase a bunch of assets – nothing dangerous you understand, just a bunch of European government bonds selected at “random”; so let’s say Ireland, Greece, Portugal shall we. “Would the emir like some Spain with that?”
3. A wholesale departure of rulers from the Middle East of course pushes up oil prices dramatically, so America immediately enlists a million unemployed folks and flies them down to man the oil pipelines from refineries like Al-Khobar to the nearest ports. Whatever happens to the rest of these countries is of course no one’s specific concern.
4. The Arab masses in places like Libya, Syria, Jordan etc all decide that with their rulers gone far away, there isn’t much point to protesting and so go back to lounging around street corners.

And so the headlines all improve:
A. Stability in the Middle East
B. European debt crisis is over
C. America shows strong jobs growth
D. Oil prices fall

catnip - 19 February 2011

But what about the nouveau poor arms dealers??

11. mattes - 19 February 2011
12. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2011
13. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2011
mattes - 19 February 2011

I called a Wisconsin union guy today. He told me they gutted private unions years ago. He was pretty disgusted as he asked, ‘where were they when they gutted my union.’

Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2011

from what little I remember (I’ve only been here 8 years), the private unions gutted themselves. They constantly gave in and gave concessions that screwed younger workers to preserve benefits for older workers, amongst other errors, like most private unions everywhere. I’m sure if there were picket lines the public unions wouldn’t have crossed them … maybe I’m wrong.

This “I got screwed, so screw them” thing is past old. A lot of the private union guys I’ve met here are rightwing nutjobs who vote against their own economic interests all the time.

mattes - 19 February 2011

Can’t argue with you. Yes, he’s bought into right wing. Rush and co.

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2011

Public employee layoffs could be coming to the local level

A Walker supporter, who would only identify himself as John, citing safety concerns because of “union thugs,” said Walker’s request to bring union workers’ benefits and wages in line with the private sector is not too much to ask.

“He is not asking for their jobs,” the man said. “We find that entirely reasonable.”

Eliminating almost all collective bargaining rights for unions in the budget repair bill would lay the groundwork for municipalities like Madison and Dane County to manage with fewer dollars coming from the state in the 2011-2013 budget that begins July 1. Walker has not yet introduced his budget, but plans to do so on March 1.

State Rep. Brett Hulsey, D-Madison, said Saturday that Walker’s plan will force local governments to make the layoffs. The governor has made a point of saying that his budget repair bill as written avoids them.

“They want to dump it on us,” said Hulsey, who was elected to the Assembly in November. He has been a member of the Dane County Board and will be until April. “They are pushing the strike down to us.”

Hulsey cites a recent study by the Institute for Wisconsin’s Future, a Glendale-based left-leaning think tank, that says 9,000 to 11,000 workers will lose their jobs if unions are stripped of their collective bargaining rights and local governments are forced to choose between providing services, funding education and continuing to pay union wages to their workers.

“There’s not enough money to go around,” Hulsey said.

The governor’s office did not immediately respond to a request for a comment Saturday.

Along with the tea party rally, there were many thousands more pro-union supporters at the Capitol Saturday.

UW-Madison men’s track coach Ed Nuttycombe and his wife were among those who showed support for unions.

“In the last week we’ve started putting the pieces together,” Nuttycombe said. “It looks pretty suspicious when you attack certain unions and not others.”

At numerous press conferences since first introducing his budget repair bill Feb. 11, Walker has said the upcoming budget will not include any furlough days or layoffs. Failure to pass the budget repair bill, he said, would force worker layoffs.

“He is saying if we don’t pass this, there will be layoffs,” said Dona Everingham of Madison, a pro-union supporter. “But what he is doing will still force layoffs. He’s just pushing it down to the local level so he doesn’t look bad.”

Layoffs at the local level would not surprise union workers, said Cheryl Bergemann, a union member from suburban Milwaukee.

“They know what is happening. That’s why so many of them are here,” Bergemann said. “When they lose their jobs, where are they supposed to go?”

marisacat - 19 February 2011

hmm There is a dicey report in the Boston Globe, Deval Patrick is fahioning a new “cheaper but better” Mass health care plan. And plans to move state workers, some Medicaid recipients and others to it from their present health care.

His 52-page legislation affirms the administration’s plans to shift 1.7 million state employees, Medicaid recipients, and other residents with state-subsidized health insurance, 1 in 4 residents, to a new budget-minded health care payment system, in which hospitals and doctors are given a set fee for each patient’s care. It also encourages the private insurance market to make the same transition to new ways of reimbursing providers.


They are all in it together.


Gotta go save the pasta!

15. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2011

This “I got screwed, so screw them” thing is past old. Well, not as old as setting petty partisan politics aside. Or for me, as old as shelling out the utility bill money to make pilgrimage to support some fundamentally connected Dems vs Repub Goliath action – which it is – and finding out about 300 bucks into “second notice’ money 😆 STILL with acouple hundred miles to go, that the assorted State Mahoffs and their Party Twinks at the other end were already in full cave in mode.

I think it can’t be ignored what was done , Hell, intentionally ACCOMPLISHED at Labor Council levels everywhere: the alienation of people via machinations within State and National Unions and the AFL CIO:

– Turf protection and dues seeking internecine raids, the “sit-downs” to pick “winners” worthy of concerted support over losers who were not: a ruthless function of retribution seeking Leadership involving resource and decertification beat downs of would be challengers and genuinely activist locals, in which AFSCME and NEA played a large part in providing soft landings for pastured private sector Union Mubaraks and their entourage rewarded first dibs in the Gov shops.

The rank and file of entire industries left to twist, it was the private sector Union toadies who got dibs at the school districts, got in at the State University, got in at the stadiums and convention centers.

Alienation Nation playing out.
And people can use their vote however they want.
For all the fuck some “pro-active” good or “de-limiting” bad its going to do them anyways.

marisacat - 19 February 2011

And people can use their vote however they want.

One reason why the vote is going to flip fast, faster than it has, back and forth for a few cycles. Ain’t nothing else to vote for.

Slap the Democrats, vote in the R.

Bash the Republicans back to the hinterlands (always just around the corner from everywhere!), vote in the Dems.

Then, repeat.

Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2011

sure, but I’m tired of wingnut rank and file blaming OTHER rank and file instead of the party “leaders” and politicians that fucked them over.

they would be better off hooking up and telling both parties to fuck off, but they won’t.

16. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2011

Yep ,
Another Bankster’s Get out of Jail Free Card,
professional courtesy of the Obby Admin.

Slid in under a busy news cycle, Lanny Breuer’s DoJ dropped all charges against Countrywide CEO Bankster Angelo Mozillo.


The closure of the case after two years of inquiry follows last October’s settlement by Mr. Mozilo of insider trading allegations made by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Regulators had contended that Mr. Mozilo sold $140 million in Countrywide stock between 2006 and 2007 even as he recognized that his company was faltering. Countrywide and Bank of America paid $45 million of Mr. Mozilo’s $67.5 million settlement, and he was responsible for the rest.

Without admitting or denying wrongdoing, Mr. Mozilo agreed to be banned from serving as an officer or a director of a public company.

The conclusion by prosecutors that Mr. Mozilo, 72, did not engage in criminal conduct while directing Countrywide will likely fuel broad concerns that few high-level executives of financial companies are being held accountable for the actions that led to the financial crisis of 2008.

Hundreds of billions of dollars have been lost by investors while millions of borrowers have lost their homes. Few of the people who ran the institutions that contributed to the disaster have been found liable.

marisacat - 19 February 2011

Probe? What probe?

BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2011

Well, as you might imagine, 😉
I pinched the one page file when they weren’t lookin:

Holder: Hello, Lanny? About that ca-
Breuer: NOPE!
Holder: Yes, Mr. Breuer. More coffee? Café au lait?

17. catnip - 19 February 2011
BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2011

The Barrister for the Franklin Party has arrived.

What DID become of those last seen at Dailykos Base Camp 4.0? Will he find the Caucasians trapped in that frozen White Wasteland in time?

Henh. Armando?! Party of Franklin?!

Research in Edmonton later showed that Sir Edward Belcher, commander of one of the Franklin rescue expeditions, had ordered the exhumation of Hartnell in October 1852 but was thwarted by the permafrost. A month later, Edward A. Inglefield, commander of another rescue expedition, succeeded with the exhumation and removed the coffin plaque.[61]

Unlike Hartnell’s grave, the grave of Private William Braine was largely intact.[62] When he was exhumed, the survey team saw signs that his burial had been hasty. His arms, body, and head had not been positioned carefully in the coffin, and one of his undershirts had been put on backwards.

catnip - 20 February 2011

You have a fan in that thread:

Or: Mene si dba. (0+ / 0-)

As Armando might have typed it in the heat of a thread war.

Personally, I’d prefer to see Marisacat back. And as you mentioned above, I’d love to see TocqueDeville return.

“We carry a new world in our hearts.” – Durruti

by goinsouth on Sun Feb 20, 2011 at 05:47:10 AM MST

marisacat - 20 February 2011

Gosh… so charming. I am taken aback, frankly.

marisacat - 20 February 2011

And I am remembering it was Armando Francesco Ferdinand Queen Isabella whatever his many names have been…. who railed against us on the FP, ‘The Liberal Street Fighter “Problem”‘…. and bitched and moaned (and writhed and oozed) about a piece I had written without ever even linking to it.

If i recall it was the piece where I said “more than legs will be spread at Dkos”.

Pretty funny looking back.

😆 …………………. 8)

18. marisacat - 20 February 2011

Ha ha ha ha ha hahahahaha don’t make me laugh TOO hard.

He “coasts” or he “lapses” or it’s “inertia”. Poooor Frank.


–FRANK RICH, “The G.O.P.’s Post-Tucson Traumatic Stress Disorder:

What else has the right got going besides Obama hatred?”: “The only apparent agendas are repealing ‘Obamacare’ and slashing federal spending as long as the cuts are quarantined to the small percentage of the budget covering discretionary safety-net programs, education and Big Bird. …

An opposition this adrift from reality … is a paper tiger. It’s a golden chance for the president to seize the moment.

What we don’t know is if he sees it that way. As we’ve learned from his track record both in the 2008 campaign and in the White House, he sometimes coasts at these junctures or lapses into a pro forma bipartisanship that amounts, for all practical purposes, to inertia.

Obama’s outspokenness about the labor battle in Wisconsin offers a glimmer of hope that he might lead the fight for what many Americans, not just Democrats, care about.” http://nyti.ms/gZfVBR

Really very funny.

catnip - 20 February 2011

A pro forma coma.

marisacat - 20 February 2011

coma toes

19. marisacat - 20 February 2011

Geesh. Don’t make me laugh TOO hard.

AIPAC and Bahrain

“He was referring to Houda Nonoo, Bahrain’s Ambassador to the U.S. – believed to be the Arab world’s first Jewish envoy, who attends services at The Shul of the Nation’s Capital at Lubavitch Center.

Joining him were senior representatives of AIPAC, American Jewish Committee, B’nai B’rith International, Anti-Defamation League and other prominent members of the Washington Jewish community.” (thanks Nadine)

Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil at 8:04 AM

mattes - 20 February 2011

Why don’t they just use the IDF for crowd control.

And Lubavitch?

California ,Brooklyn and Israel Lubavitch money laundering,tax fraud, and diamonds


Google, lubavitch and diamonds. UGH.


marisacat - 20 February 2011

oh absolutely.

Forget the name of the big diamond guy, NY, Tel Aviv… and all thru the Gulf states, a store front in all the showiest shopping centers. ”Leviev” comes to mind, but not quite right. People begged, contacted, implored (publicly and privately) Susan Sarandon, supposed big lefty (hardly) and Dem (party of knaves and fools) to not be at his parties, not be gifted (she hardly paid) with his diamonds, but they never got an answer.

IIRC he was up to his neck in NYC RE scams too.

What else is new.

mattes - 20 February 2011

Yep. That’s the guy.

Can you say, blood diamonds, organized crime, money laundering.

That’s the guy that owns Israel Africa or whatever. Fingers everywhere.

I remember reading on one of the Luba websites, when the Mumbai thing went down, one of their teachings is that non-jews were considered animals. When I tried to find the website for a link, it disappeared.
Nice group.

marisacat - 20 February 2011

In too many instances, what came out of WW2 were thugs. Certainly in our case, and certainly in Israel’s.


mattes - 20 February 2011

Also, something to do with Abramoff and supplying military equipment to settlers. Obviously they’re all into the settler movement.

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 February 2011

Budget battle Day 6: Smaller group of protesters begin Sunday march

With winter weather back in the capital city, Wisconsin demonstrators on both sides of Gov. Scott Walker’s budget repair bill have a chance to set themselves apart from the out-of-state protest set.

Union supporters were clapping and chanting “We want justice” and “We are family” Sunday morning in the Capitol Rotunda as heavy, wet snow and then rain fell on the square outside. Though smaller than the massive crowds of last week, the group still added up to a sizable demonstration by normal statehouse standards, filling the rotunda with its numbers and its drumming.

Karen Hill, a high school math teacher from Green Bay, and her self-employed husband, Rick Hill, weren’t daunted by the flakes and by 10 a.m. had already logged two hours in a lonely march around the statehouse with pro-union signs.

“It’s not as daunting as what we’re facing” as public workers, Karen said of the weather.

21. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 February 2011

Doctors hand out notes excusing protesters for illness

Feb. 20, 2011 10:25 a.m. | Madison – During the dueling demonstrations here Saturday on Gov. Scott Walker’s budget-repair plan, doctors from various hospitals set up a station near the Capitol to provide notes covering public employees’ absences from work.

The bill would strip public unions of most of their collective bargaining rights.

For most of the past week, thousands of union members and their supporters have protested Walker’s measure at the Capitol. Some have called in sick so they could demonstrate here.

On Saturday, family physician Lou Sanner, 59, of Madison, said he had given out hundreds of notes. Many of the people he spoke with seemed to be suffering from stress, he said.

“What employers have a right to know is if the patient was assessed by a duly licensed physician about time off of work,” Sanner said. “Employers don’t have a right to know the nature of that conversation or the nature of that illness. So it’s as valid as every other work note that I’ve written for the last 30 years.”

marisacat - 20 February 2011

sooo cheering.

22. marisacat - 20 February 2011



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