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Thursday 24 February 2011

Posted by marisacat in AFRICOM, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Pan Arab Revolt - 2011.

The protest movement has swept over much of the country. Here, an anti-Gadhafi protester holds an AK-47 on the road to the town of Msaead. [REUTERS]



1. marisacat - 24 February 2011

Diane, I moved those comments to spam, off the thread.

I have an email for ms xeno and will forward them directly to her.

diane - 24 February 2011

thanks honey …I LOVE YOU!

ms_xeno - 24 February 2011

Just got the message(s), d.

Thanks for the sympathy, but any violins I’ve ever owned are only of the metaphoric variety. 😀

diane - 25 February 2011

you’re welcome hon, anytime. ;0) (and duh, I missed the metaphor – blushy faced emoticon here)

2. catnip - 24 February 2011
marisacat - 24 February 2011

Mad dogs, they all are.

brinn - 24 February 2011


According to the Defense Department’s own definition, psy-ops – the use of propaganda and psychological tactics to influence emotions and behaviors – are supposed to be used exclusively on “hostile foreign groups.”

They’ve been using psy-ops on the AmPeeP for generations….

Unfortunately most of these idiots we call elected representative are too feeble-minded to recognize it.


catnip - 24 February 2011
mattes - 24 February 2011

What was Bush’s side kick that got millions to influence public opinion? And wasn’t a Cheney daughter in on that too?

catnip - 24 February 2011

Not sure which Bushie you’re talking about – Armstrong Williams? – but Obama has one of his own.

Sunstein is currently Obama’s head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for “overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs.” In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-“independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites — as well as other activist groups — which advocate views that Sunstein deems “false conspiracy theories” about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens’ faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper’s abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.

Sunstein advocates that the Government’s stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups.” He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called “independent” credible voices to bolster the Government’s messaging (on the ground that those who don’t believe government sources will be more inclined to listen to those who appear independent while secretly acting on behalf of the Government). This program would target those advocating false “conspiracy theories,” which they define to mean: “an attempt to explain an event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role.” Sunstein’s 2008 paper was flagged by this blogger, and then amplified in an excellent report by Raw Story’s Daniel Tencer.

embedded links in the article

marisacat - 24 February 2011

To say nothng of the fucking faith based wing, a LOT more active than it ws under Bush 2.

And led, as I repeat ad nauseum, but a Pentecostalist preacher (and ObRama aide for 5 years), from a store front church in Cambridge MA.

One that preaches in tongues.

mattes - 24 February 2011

Ugh. On Obama.

It was Bush 2 I was thinking of. Her name is on the tip of my tougue.

From Texas, woman. Was with him for years.

marisacat - 25 February 2011

Wendy Hughes?

mattes - 25 February 2011

I think that’s the one.

marisacat - 25 February 2011

yeah, daughter of a very political general, largely grew up in DC.

And so it goes.

brinn - 25 February 2011

Karen “I need to spend more time with my family” Hughes….yep.

Madman in the Marketplace - 24 February 2011

wha-da-ya-mean?!?! Those fighter jet flyovers at football games and Nascar races are just good clean patriotic FUN!

commie …

marisacat - 24 February 2011

hippeee commie.

mattes - 24 February 2011

Hey, I think congress can teach the psy-ops a thing or two!

3. marisacat - 24 February 2011

we should expect snow to the 300 ft level in the bay area on friday.

catnip - 24 February 2011

It’ll be -30C here tonite if that’s any consolation.

marisacat - 24 February 2011

i know. I regret to have frozen toes (they start to freeze if I am in the kitchen for any length of time) when you and Madman live on the Great Expanse of the Northern Tundra.

We just get cold rain and damp chill off the sea and bay water. Wish I knew why 45 fuckign degrees can be so cold here.

catnip - 24 February 2011

Humidity chills me to the bone. I do better here when it’s -20 than when it’s 0.

diane - 24 February 2011

problem is, Cali is not “humid,” not sure why all that ocean prevents it from being so (perhaps the salt?) but Cali is not considered humid, AT ALL, which is why if you walk into the shade on a really hot day in Cali, you will quickly notice the cooler temperature, unlike, say, the Sout’. When I moved from one of the higher humidity eas’ coas’ spots in the US, to dry CALI ……I froze my ass off in weather considered fairly warm from where I came from.

marisacat - 24 February 2011

yeah but the coast here is not dry. Sure, drier 7 months of the year, but not in winter. Not in the 5 rainy months….

Fucking bitter cold, with damp chill off the water. Just piercing.

Madman in the Marketplace - 24 February 2011

I’m so sick of trying not to fall down walking on icy sidewalks and climbing piles of snow getting on and off buses I could scream.

brinn - 24 February 2011

Right then — everybody to Austin!! I got room!

Madman in the Marketplace - 24 February 2011


marisacat - 24 February 2011

snow chains on your shoes!

I admit when i have been in really snowy weather, even when very young, I used a cane with a sharp metal point – it helped.

And you know, handy weapon, depending.


Madman in the Marketplace - 24 February 2011

I should get one of those!

marisacat - 24 February 2011

well – or snow tire shoes! 4 wheel drive personal propulsion! (a winterised Seqway?)

mattes - 24 February 2011

I miss midwest winter wonderland days.

And spring thunder storms…and the birds churping in the summer mornings.

ms_xeno - 24 February 2011

You need some of those little toothy foot-grip things for your shoes, M.

We’re relatively unscathed here. Just a dusting of snow and a little ice, though it’s still quite cold.

My poor camelia bush had just had its first bloom open the morning before we got the snow. :/

catnip - 24 February 2011

Blooms? You have blooms? Outside??

marisacat - 24 February 2011

I have blooming cactus and succulents. Outside.

Tho……………. I think the faded blossoms are freeeezin’ and dropping off these days.

ms_xeno - 24 February 2011

The violets all bloomed about ten days ago. It’s actually normal around here for them to bloom once in late Winter and once in June, because our winters just aren’t that wintry.

Ironically, this means that plans meant to bloom at their best at the end or right after a true-blue Northern Winter– like snowdrops– don’t seem to do very well here at all: they can’t get a deep enough “sleep” before blooming because it doesn’t get cold enough.

mattes - 24 February 2011

I think I saw a dead baby bird the other day. Imposible.

Madman in the Marketplace - 24 February 2011

good idea

4. diane - 24 February 2011

this year’s crop of kisses ….. don’t seem as sweet to me [as what was sworn/pledged/promised by those most enabled to bring about necessary economic changes – as a matter of FACT, quite the opposite – diane]

this years crop just misses [the ”Just” in that phrase, quite deliberately ‘just [short of ] missing,’ yet still dangling ‘a promise’ – Just[ice] MISSESnot as in mrs. or misses – diane] what kisses used to be …..

(listening to Ella Fitzgerald, from a Verve cd,…titled:

! )

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 February 2011
6. ms_xeno - 24 February 2011

The Libya Nescafe Affair in the last thread reminds me of the company’s old jingle:

“…If Nescafe can please the whole wide world
They can sure please youuuuu…”

(Sorry. Couldn’t resist.)

catnip - 24 February 2011

Nothing worse than Osama bin Caffeinated.

ms_xeno - 24 February 2011

With extra foam!

[roll on snare-drum]

Madman in the Marketplace - 24 February 2011

I’ll have a double-shot mocha jihad with whipped cream!

ms_xeno - 24 February 2011

And one of those foil-wrapped, hollow chocolate grenades with the surprise toy dictator of the month concealed inside!

Madman in the Marketplace - 24 February 2011


I like the barristas with the matching bee-keeper suits!

BooHooHooMan - 24 February 2011

Its funny you guys mentioning ad jingles:
When catnip noted the Canadian Rescue effort in Libya was cancelled over INSURANCE I couldn’t help but thinking..

They shoulda called GEICO.
15 Minutes Coulda Saved Em on
Czar Insurance

Somethin like that.
So Easy even a CA– ( nah I didn’t want to go there)

😉 😆

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 February 2011

The Walker Roadmap

This is the most important thing that has gotten the least coverage. The administration of Medicaid would be moved away from the state legislation to be more directly under the control of the Governor’s office. People may be dropped right away and there could be extreme games of chicken with the Federal government over medicaid spending.

The Wisconsin Department of Health Services is currently being run by Heritage Senior Fellow Dennis Smith, who has been making his right-wing think tanker bones arguing that states should drop out of Medicaid, the long-time dream of the extreme right. It is telling that “Smith wouldn’t discuss Medicaid provisions in the upcoming budget bill” even though it’s all he’s been writing about for years.

Specifically, one of the last things he wrote had this talking point: “Congress and the Administration have enacted a sweeping overhaul of one-sixth of the American economy, dramatically expanding the scope of federal power….When governors and state legislators realize that they have been reduced to mere agents of and tax collectors for the federal government, bipartisan opposition from the states will be inevitable.”

This power grab by the Governor will be the beachhead for slashing medicaid rolls to record lows and planning the conservative opposition against health care reform more broadly. The people who elected the Governor deserve more information about what his ultimate goals are.

I seriously can’t comprehend people who think this way.

marisacat - 24 February 2011

This power grab by the Governor will be the beachhead for slashing medicaid rolls to record lows and planning the conservative opposition against health care reform more broadly

i posted the other day Deval Patrick, Demcrat and protege of Axelrod, is planning a re do (too expensive!, the story goes) of Romney Care. Part of it is moving state employees to MedicAid. Among other reicpients of state aid.

AND then, I am sure, dropping people from the MedicAid rolls. And the moves being made in AZ, abetted by the Feds (WH and HHS) is opening the way for this.

The ONLY thing that is coming that no one seems to “get” is that many companies will be dropping offering healt care at all.

Lots of people who think all of this will not affect their health care, will find out they are very very wrong.

8. BooHooHooMan - 24 February 2011

Obama and the Dems were so Smart.
So smart. When presented with every opportunity,
they DOUBLED DOWN on THE WARS we wage on wha-what?~
30, 40 countries with upwards of a couple Billion People or so at any given time?
Surely goodness and kindness will follow us as we walk through the Valley of Death.

Yeh. well.
Cue the RESCUE FERRY… into AfPak now.
This from The Imperial Times today

U.S. Pulling Back in Afghan Valley It Called Vital to War

American officials say the Pech Valley consumed resources disproportionate with its importance

and there are not enough troops to win decisively against the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

LiaR Liar …PANTS on Fire.

Dig these two gems:
This one, 4 months ago, pinched from some VERrry Optimistic Operation Musclehead Press Ops –

Afghan, coalition forces conclude operations in eastern Pech Valley
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Written by Task Force Bastogne Public Affairs Office Thursday, 18 November 2010 16:26

KUNAR PROVINCE, Afghanistan – Afghan National Security Forces and International Security Assistance Forces concluded clearing operations Nov. 17 in the eastern Pech River Valley, Kunar Province.

The combined security force had moved into the Watapur Valley to search for militants and weapons caches Nov 14.

Reports indicate that as many as 49 insurgents may have been killed during the security sweep of the area.

As the combined ANSF and ISAF force conducted clearing operations, they discovered weapons caches containing several mortar systems with rounds, 15 recoilless rifle rounds, more than a dozen rocket-propelled grenades, 20 anti-aircraft rounds, four fragmentary grenades, 400 rounds of AK-47 ammunition, 1,200 PKM rounds and improvised explosive components.

The combined force took deliberate steps to avoid injuring innocent civilians during the operation.

“Operation Bulldog Bite has degraded the insurgents’ ability to terrorize the people of the Pech Valley,” said U.S. Army Maj. Mary Constantino, Task Force Bastogne spokesperson. “The safety and security provided by the operations such as this provide the Afghan people of the region the opportunity to live in peace with their families.”

Oh I don’t think so: They got thrown back in 3 Days and were lucky to get out alive.

But it was all so Special then, LAST SUMMER, as the tale was then sold about Pech Valley in Stars and Stripes:

U.S. big guns resound through Afghanistan’s Pech River Valley
By Dianna Cahn
Stars and Stripes
Published: August 11, 2010

NANGALAM, Afghanistan — Each day in this hot summer fighting season, the thundering boom of U.S. artillery reverberates off mountain walls, shaking the Pech River Valley like a giant’s footsteps.

The big guns at Camp Blessing, the 1st Battalion, 327th Infantry Regiment’s headquarters in the river valley, fire when any of the four U.S. bases that dot the river road come under attack. They strike when soldiers on patrol are ambushed by insurgents who stalk them from the mountain ridges, or when there are reports of insurgents preparing an assault.

In most of Afghanistan, the counterinsurgency strategy of diplomacy and governance has made these 155 mm howitzer guns almost irrelevant.

😳 😳 😳 😳 😳

Not so in Pech. This is an artillery fight here, in deeply hostile mountain terrain, and this fighting season is so extreme that there is near constant and imminent threat to soldiers holding the valley floor.

And so, the giant stomps his feet.

🙄 Carry on.

“I knew this was definitely an artillery mission,” said 3rd Platoon Sgt. 1st Class Doron Spencer, 36, of the 3rd Battalion, 321st Field Artillery Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division. “We got told how bad it was. It’s actually worse than they described.”

In just 56 days from May to July, the artillery sections at Camp Blessing conducted 252 firing missions — an average of 4.5 a day — unleashing 1,926 rounds. This surpassed the 1,729 rounds fired in the previous four months. If this pace continues, this year will go down as the heaviest artillery fight in the Pech valley since the war started.

Read that Last Bit. Straight Up:
The U.S has gotten SHELLED OUT of AfPak.
This is where we’re talking about.
Run off the fools-errand-for-photo-ops in foothills above Peche where Joshua Bernard bled to death, we witness thoroughly discredited LIAR David Petraeus , General Walk Through The Valley of Death Himself, that LOSER of Life General and his welfare entourage Staff who the world will owe a living the rest of THEIR lives, they now seek to bluff it off as it was really NBD.

They should ALL BE HANGED as War Criminals.

9. BooHooHooMan - 24 February 2011

Talk about stones,
General Psy Ops – STILL GOING!
has this DoD Press Release Today:

Caldwell Lauds Afghans’ Force Increase

By Terri Moon Cronk
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Feb. 24, 2011 – As the United States and NATO surged 40,000 additional combat troops into Afghanistan last year, the Afghan army and police forces also surged, growing to 258,700 by September, the general in charge of the training effort said yesterday.

And now,😆

Army Lt. Gen. William B. Caldwell IV added, some 6,000 recruits join Afghanistan’s army and police forces each month.

LOL. Ah well, Caldwell must have got to the NOT SUBMIT Submit Button before Petraeus.

Petraeus Orders Probe of Rolling Stone Allegations

By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Feb. 24, 2011 – Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, commander of NATO and U.S. forces in Afghanistan, will appoint an investigator to determine the facts of issues raised in a Rolling Stone magazine article that appeared today.

The article alleges that Army Lt. Gen. William B. Caldwell IV used information operations officers in an attempt to influence distinguished visitors to his command, NATO Military Training Mission Afghanistan.

“Secretary Gates is aware of the allegations in the Rolling Stone article and believes it is important to determine what the facts are so he fully supports General Petraeus’ decision to investigate this matter before drawing any conclusions,” Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell said today.

BooHooHooMan - 24 February 2011

For a fun read, and I do mean fun, as in fun for an insight into stupid, dumber’n fuck clueless family flag wavin discredited Petraeus groupie LOSERS let’s not forget..
… I found this on Abandoning the Pech Valley and Abandoning the Pech Valley Part II

Good Lord. Written by some Chester Knucklehead or other in Carolina, Herschel Smith to be precise, Praise Jeezis, who has a minor Mil readership and writes “The Captain’s Journal”.

And WHO IS the Captain? 😆

The “Captain” is Herschel Smith, who hails from Charlotte, N.C., and who is not a member of the armed forces, but who is “Captain” of this web log. However, he does have a son who is a United States Marine, and has earned the combat action ribbon in support of Operation Alljah in Fallujah. He also has three other children and a wonderful wife. The “Captain” is a Christian, and offers news and commentary on warfare, policy and counterinsurgency.


Why yes, he sounds fully qualified.
To endorse Tactical Warfare, Jesus, and Petraeus.

10. BooHooHooMan - 24 February 2011

Atop that Revolutionary Rag,
The Wall Street Journal –

Libya Rebels Tighten Noose

Rebels menaced Gadhafi’s stronghold from all sides, as insurgent commanders said they’ve sent troops for an offensive against Tripoli and residents of the capital prepared their first mass demonstration in days.

Yep it’s Official. We bought ourselves one hootnanny of a Pan Arab transnational revolt.
The Saudis are announcing Billions in money to their own streets. You know who else is taking a bit hit in this? INDIA. Money just pouring out of their exchanges as it is, shall we say, redeployed.

India Today –

The Indian rupee opened 2 paise lower at Rs 45.28 per US dollar in early trade on the Interbank Foreign Exchange on Wednesday amid foreign fund outflows.

A weak opening in the stock market due to foreign fund outflows put pressure on the Indian rupee, forex dealers said.”

The WSJ on it too.
Oh c’mon fellahs just say it.
The United Zionist Emirate States need to sell:

Two Weeks ago-

FEBRUARY 7, 2011, 11:20 A.M. ET

Foreign Capital Shuns India

The way India’s markets have been battered in the past month is worrying enough, but a more alarming trend has been running for nearly a year now: foreigners are wary of committing longterm capital to the country.

Approved foreign direct investment—mainly in mines and factories—fell 27% between April and November from a year earlier, according to the latest data available. FDI had been falling even as a record $29 billion flowed into the country’s stock markets during 2010

And this is no knock on India per se, anything with a bespoke curry flavor curries favor in my book: they have pursued independent negotiations track with Iran and Pakistan much to our Overlord’s, uhm , ~ Dismay? And they were wise in resisting U.S. pressure to conflate Mumbai, their internal affairs and regional relations as syynonymous with the US aims.

Nonetheless, they did lay down with us dogs, now didn’t they? Oh a bit. Oh enough, I’d say for the flea born Karma and capital to set in and flee once again…

Which brings us to the delicious bite:
How does that affect our marker to use them as the intermittent foil?

Pretty Yummy, no? Enjoy!

marisacat - 25 February 2011

Even Indian bubbles fail. And fall.

11. mattes - 24 February 2011
12. BooHooHooMan - 25 February 2011

If you think this is stupid…


Finemann says… (9+ / 0-)

….that Obama feels that Walker has put himself so far out on a limb, that Obama is happy to just let him dangle there… alone.

If Obama get’s too involved, he becomes a rescue ladder for Walker to change the subject.

The public is siding with the unions (believe it or not–never thought I’d see the day, really!)


by LordMike on Fri Feb 25, 2011 at 01:36:24 AM EST


{not sure if its like a hemorrhage, but with bums, or just like a bum hemorrhage}
but dig the Biden/
“Stand Up and Take A Bow Moment- Ooops, there, Fellah!!!”
…down below…

Obama is a BUM and a REAL BUMMER (12+ / 2-)

I’m not going into another recital of the various statutes which are readily available to put these theives in jail. That has been done too many times now here at DKOS. I’ll simply say that Obama, and AG Holder, should be put in jail for obstruction of justice, by reason of their inexcusable failure to investigate and prosecute these self evident malfactors.

Indeed, Obama has been the weakest president since Herbert Hoover. Furthermore, I don’t know what political party he really supports; but I can surely tell you that it isn’t the Democratic Party. A curse on him!!!!!

Please, no more white washes of the ENABLER!!!

Isn’t it time that we smarten up, friends?

by Major Tom on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:25:28 PM EST

you are not going to recite them (12+ / 0-)

because they don’t exist. So whine on.

value added

by citizen k on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:28:36 PM EST

Okay (12+ / 0-)
I’ll whine on…all the way to the ballot box in 2012.

Meanwhile, could you please tell me when Obama is going to go to Wisconsin to support the state union workers?

I’ve got a pair of comfortable shoes he can borrow.

by Major Tom on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:35:14 PM EST

+ just like FDR went to Detroit (16+ / 0-)

to walk the picket line with the UAW. Oh wait, he didn’t. 😯 Obama is not the messiah. We don’t have to wait for him to solve all problems and just bitch until he does.

by citizen k on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:47:10 PM EST

And Gooserock, bless his heart, has taken to posting a pic of the an empty presidential podium, a keeper IMO…

13. BooHooHooMan - 25 February 2011

Prince Talal of Saudi Arabia given the Ed Page at NYT…

Such farce. What Shite.
So obvious this guy’s Dad and the U.S. are teeing up the younger Talal to take over..

Op-Ed Contributor
A Saudi Prince’s Plea for Reform
Published: February 24, 2011

This is the “reformer” who has invested his lot with Citicorp for the last 25 years, bought his first boat from his arms trading mentor Adnan Khashoggi and flipped the raft to Donald Trump (which, BTW, Teh Donald lost the yacht in one of the first of HIS many bank burning casino mortgaging scams, which – gotta love it – the Prince repurchased after one of Trumps LATER rounds of bank burning casino mortgaging scams.) Anyways, “Reform” Prince Talal also bankrolls the George Herbert Walker Bush scholarship for under-served youth…LOL..at ANDOVER.

Oh he’s a regular Joe Talal from Riyahd all right.

Truth is, aside from his oil royalties, this Saudi nephew who is going to be the next King is one of the biggest Arms, Mercenaries, and Dope dealers in the world. Who for years now has owned close to 10% of Citigroup and Murdoch’s NewsCorp.

BooHooHooMan - 25 February 2011

The King is Dead! Long Live the King! 🙄 ETC

14. diane - 25 February 2011


The Wisconsin Assembly early Friday passed a bill that would strip most public workers of their collective bargaining rights


15. catnip - 25 February 2011

At least 5 dead in Libyan chaos, France says Gadhafi ‘must leave’

…while Obamalama won’t even mention his name.

Britain: Britain is pushing for United Nations measures against the Libyan government, including asset seizures, travel bans and sanctions, Prime Minister David Cameron said on Friday.

marisacat - 25 February 2011

hey hey catnip

I posted this to the new thread… 😉

16. marisacat - 25 February 2011



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