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Still…. 12 March 2011

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This piping plover may look like it has many legs, but it is taking its four newborns under its wing to keep them warm. Photographer Michael Milicia snapped away as the young shorebirds hid at Sandy Point State Reservation in Massachusetts, United States.

This piping plover may look like it has many legs, but it is taking its four newborns under its wing to keep them warm. Photographer Michael Milicia snapped away as the young shorebirds hid at Sandy Point State Reservation in Massachusetts, United States. [Michael Milicia/solent]

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1. BooHooHooMan - 13 March 2011

Live press conference just now from Tokyo…

Hakunamatata.

A not-far-off translation from Japan PM Kan’s Party HACK Edano , on nuke meltdown and radiation leaks.
Imagine trotting out Lipless or Terry McAuliffe or Axelrod, Rahm, or Trippi.

Unbelievable. CNN, carrying an English translation live has Edano as responding to a question regarding the hydrogen and radioactive gas buildup as saying “With the containment building blown off it takes care of the venting problem.”

We lived near Harrisburg when Three Mile Island started melting down and heard this same shite from Thornburgh which was the deal closer for our family and everyone else we knew to leave for Ohio. My Dad, who was dying at the time, said “Well with Thornburgh’s Horseshit obviously radioactive, I think it’s time we get everybody together to pack up.”

marisacat - 13 March 2011

“With the containment building blown off it takes care of the venting problem.”

Not much to add to that….

BooHooHooMan - 13 March 2011

Oh but haven’t you heard?

Global Stock Rally May Withstand Japan Disaster as Economic Growth Tops 4%

😯
That helpful Bloomberg lede? Oh Yeah –
By a guy named Nick Gentle. Seriously.

marisacat - 13 March 2011

wellll…. Reuters quotes somebody or other of the “expert” class… that a partial meltdown is not a “disaster”… meanwhile the French Embassy in Tokyo is advising its citoyens to get outta Dodge and the near environs of Dodge in case of “radiation cloud”….

Which may not be over reaction, with a big 6.6 in the North WEST and a 6.6 quite close to Tokyo.

I mean, who knows.

And PM Kan is now saying biggest challenge mess whatever “since WW II”.

Economist has a good summing up… and a tidbit on an “experimental” fuel involved in the latest “not a meltdown!”:

[T]HE risk of a nuclear accident at a huge power plant in disaster-strewn north-eastern Japan has risen for a second day on March 13th.

This time it involves a type of fuel known as Mox (mixed-oxide) that is considered highly experimental.

The government, which is under huge pressure to deal with the tragedy created by Friday’s earthquake, is also struggling to prevent panic over the potential meltdown of a second nuclear reactor. With what looked like tears in his eyes, Naoto Kan, the prime minister, said today that Japan was facing its worst crisis since the second world war and he urged its citizens to pull together.

As if that were not enough, Japan’s seismologists say there is a high risk of more big aftershocks in the coming days. In the areas worst hit by the quake, hundreds of thousands of people have been evacuated from their homes, and food and blankets are scare.

It is currently estimated that at least 2,000 are dead and missing after Friday’s earthquake unleashed a vicious tsunami that swept Japan’s northern Pacific coast. But that figure does not take into account 10,000 who the government acknowledged on March 13th are unaccounted for in one coastal area of Miyagi prefecture, called Minamisanriku. Aerial shots from television crews show a large community that existed there has now virtually disappeared under tidal water. Elsewhere in Miyagi and Iwate prefecture, hundreds more bodies have been dumped by the tsunami, news reports say, and some 450,000 people have been made homeless. […]

Economist

marisacat - 13 March 2011

Just read the Econmist to the end… surprisingly good article… calls out the Japanese government for long history of “obfuscation” over nuclear issues. and that they are doing it again…. And says “Mox” was strongly opposed last year, but introduced anyway.

Says Edano and Kan are running arund in blue overalls to look both uniform and workmanlike.

BooHooHooMan - 13 March 2011

…in the latest ‘not a meltdown’… -mcat

Spot on.

Steve “Holbrooke’s Jism Still on Face” Clemons on CNN now:
Good Luck! Let’s see how THEY will rise to the challenge!
We Value our Relationship!
An opportunity for THEM to rethink their politics – Some great Reformers out there! –
Good LuuuuuCk!

Steve Clemons, in one of those deep Power-Blue dress shirts that were in 10 years ago that leave habitual wearer’s aspiring to Al Hunt/Larry O’Brien/ Bill Press Private Label wannabe status with that unmistakable burnt-in reactor pool blue glow at night…is optimistic. For them.

Clemons figures Japan, like us, can just go all Hope and Changey New Maxi-Chat now.
In a very, very, very lowered expectations kind of way: They’re a resilient people you know!
They can do this! Yes THEY can!

So there it is: Rest assured, Japan can draw on our example: THEY are the Change THEY are Waiting For! So Win this Future, Dagnabbit!
There will be no let down in the Non meltdown!
We stand with Them! HERE! Even Golfing!

::

{Anything, ANYTHING for the American chatnik class to avoid the question of what great benefit the Japanese people ever received from “alliance” with the United States}

marisacat - 13 March 2011

yeah that def is the undertone (tho Clemons clearly made it the top note)… esp when the US mouthpieces talk about how untruthful the Japanese have been on nuclear issues.

What a hoot… WE as the great providers, WE as being kind to our long time ally (whom we occupy), etc.

Oh yeah very clear…

Th little yellow people, they try but we must provide direction.

Yup all of that is def there….

2. mattes - 13 March 2011

…..meltdowns sure aren’t what they use to be.

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2011

CNN has some stunning footage from Japanese channel NHK. People standing on higher ground watching their town be washed away by the initial tsunami. It’s heartbreaking.

marisacat - 13 March 2011

I saw that too… and what was described on ABC as new film of the tsunami making its first breach of the sea wall at Miyagi.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2011

Attempts to unseat senators could be historic

Now that legislators have voted on a controversial collective bargaining bill, Wisconsin appears headed into an extended, unprecedented period of recall attempts, although the first election is not likely until July or later.

Despite a high bar for triggering such elections, experts and political party leaders predict at least a few of the 16 recall efforts under way against state senators — eight Democrats, eight Republicans — will result in voters going to the polls.

“I’m guessing some of these efforts are just PR attempts or theatrical politics, but a third to half are probably serious and will end up collecting enough signatures,” said Mordecai Lee, a UW-Milwaukee political science professor.

Brett Healy, president of the conservative John K. MacIver Institute for Public Policy in Madison, said it would be unusual if more than a couple of the efforts lead to elections. “It’s the logistical component,” he said. “There’s so much time and work involved.”

Still, even a couple of recall elections in the same year against state legislators would be historic — Wisconsin has seen only four recall elections against state legislators in the 85 years since the state began allowing them. Two were successful, two were not.

Coincidentally, one of the unsuccessful attempts, in 1990, was against then-Democratic Assembly member Jim Holperin, who was targeted for his support of a treaty settlement with Chippewa Indians. Holperin, now a Democratic state senator from Conover, is a recall subject again.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2011

As many as 100,000 union supporters rally at Capitol in largest protests yet

Demonstrators — 85,000 to 100,000 strong — turned out in force again Saturday for what Madison police say was the largest crowd since protests began against Gov. Scott Walker’s efforts to strip most state employees of most collective bargaining rights and other proposals for balancing the state budget began more than three weeks ago.

Adding a twist to the now-familiar rallying cries of unions and others calling for Walker’s ouster was a parade of tractors driven by Wisconsin farmers who circled the Capitol to support union workers and oppose other measures in Walker’s proposed budget — including cuts they fear will have a negative effect on their health care coverage.

“We had 85,000 to 100,000 people, 50 tractors and a donkey, and it all went well from a police perspective,” said Madison Police spokesman Joel DeSpain, who again thanked people for their peaceful exercise of democracy and their patience. “Just getting around Downtown was a bit problematic.”

Capitol police estimated Saturday’s crowd peaked at a little more than 68,000, said spokesman Tim Donovan. He explained the discrepancy saying Madison police might have been “counting people we weren’t” who were spread out farther from the Capitol.

Both agencies said there were no arrests.

6. marisacat - 13 March 2011

PJ Crowley has been fired…. and Sully is quite whupset… but I feel he will recover fully to his apologist good health…

By firing PJ Crowley for the offense of protesting against the sadistic military treatment of Bradley Manning, the president has now put his personal weight behind prisoner abuse. The man who once said that forced nudity was a form of torture, now takes the word of those enforcing it over a distinguished public servant. ….

7. marisacat - 13 March 2011

Australian blog on the reactors… down in comments, the article’s author makes the point he thinks it was not that no one thought of the trriple whammy but that all parties took a calculated risk that it would nto happen in the lifetime of the plants.

well whoops.

He also says 170 from the plant are showing signs of exposure and that one, or possibly two, at the plant hve died.

The authorities at Fukushima have revealed that at least 160 people are being treated for radiation exposure in hospital according to one media report, all of them believed to be employees at the Daiichi plant. Other reports put the number of radiation exposure patients as much lower, at 19, and a third report now says one not two power company employees have been killed at the Daini plant in a crane accident.

Also that “drowning” the reactor(s) in sea water and boron means they are finished. Cannot be used again. and that there ws nothing else to do.

Bloomberg is running a headline that Fukushima had just completed inspection in order to be certified for another 10 years.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 March 2011
marisacat - 13 March 2011

Well some guy at MIT is saying there is nuthing to worry about with the reactors. So obviously we should not be concerned about some volcano that feels left out.

marisacat - 13 March 2011

hmm I think we should be concerned that Godzilla and Mothra will be appearing.

Hell why not.

9. marisacat - 13 March 2011

Saudi Arabian forces prepare to enter Bahrain after day of clashes

Crown Prince of Bahrain expected to invite Saudi support following anti-government demonstrations in capital
….

BooHooHooMan - 14 March 2011

Well those Saudi troops must be the “reforms”
President Gates ( he’s the President, right?) was talking about..

The latest demonstrations took place a day after the US defence secretary, Robert Gates, visited Bahrain and said that the Khalifa family must go beyond “baby steps” reform and enact substantial economic and political change.

Saudi going in. With US arms AND…how many Black Ops? Surely Bob Woodward will have it out by Summer Reading 2012

10. marisacat - 13 March 2011

hmm full text from Chosun Ilbo

Japanese Nuclear Plant Meltdown ‘Explodes Safety Myth’

An explosion at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant and radioactive leakage on Friday as a result of a deadly earthquake and tsunami are likely to hamper Japan’s plan to export nuclear power plants. Japan prides itself on the affordability and safety of its nuclear power plants.

The industry, which is led by Toshiba, Hitachi and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries has been touted as a world leader. Last December, Japan beat Korea to an order from Turkey because it stressed that its nuclear power plants have been accident-free despite sitting on an earthquake fault line. Turkey too is subject to frequent earthquakes. In October last year, Japan also won an order from Vietnam and it started negotiating terms with Brazil last month.

But on Sunday the Mainichi Shimbun said the “safety myth” has collapsed with the explosion in Fukushima.

Kyodo News said, “Although it was an earthquake on an unprecedented scale, the core meltdown has tarnished the reputation Japan’s nuclear power plants have for safety.” The Nihon Keizai Shimbun said the nuclear plants need “double or triple safety measures” to stop radioactive leaks, but the Fukushima Daiichi plant did not have them.

englishnews@chosun.com / Mar. 14, 2011 12:23 KST

11. BooHooHooMan - 13 March 2011
marisacat - 14 March 2011

The Japanese reports admit to much more concern than the US headlines do.

Holy crap. What’s a little radioactive steam. Basically. Don’t worreee.

12. BooHooHooMan - 14 March 2011

So much for Bloomberg’s rosy forecasts yesterday.

Hmm, let’s see, a matter of hours before the opening bell of the New York Stock Exchange when full blown capitalist panic sets in.
Like I said yesterday…IMO..
the implications of all this?
Imperial leverage GAME OVER.

Japanese Stocks Plunge as Investors Worry
By BETTINA WASSENER
Published: March 13, 2011

HONG KONG — The Japanese stock market plunged Monday as investors struggled to assess the impact of the huge earthquake and tsunami that struck Japan on Friday.

The Nikkei 225 index was down 6.3 percent by mid-afternoon in Tokyo, accelerating the slide seen in the morning after an explosion rocked one of the earthquake-stricken nuclear plants in the northeast of the country.

The broader Topix, or Tokyo Stock Price index, was down 7.2 percent.

Industrial, manufacturing and financial stocks were among the biggest losers, hit by worries about the extent of the damage and continuing aftershocks.

Numerous companies — among them Fujitsu, Toyota and Sony — were forced to halt production at all or some of their sites in the wake of the quake. The disruption, combined with uncertain impact of systematic rolling blackouts that began Monday, helped send Mitsubishi Motors down 11 percent, Nissan by 10.4 percent and Toyota by 8.2 percent.

Sony slumped 9.5 percent, Canon dropped 6.5 percent and Panasonic was down 8.3 percent. Toshiba and Hitachi both plunged more than 16 percent.

Just a wipe-out underway. Which has barely begun.

marisacat - 14 March 2011

The company names I read that have halted production are all big ones… little companies having been washed away, as the alternative.

What a nightmare. These people had no time, none at all. Esp if they were in the earthquake and the full force of the water.

Toshiba and Hitachi both plunged more than 16 percent.

Oh…in the spirit of no problemo with a couple explosions and a little steam between friends… it’s a BUYING opportunity.

A cup of cold sea water will fix everything.

BooHooHooMan - 14 March 2011

You see that loathesome piece of shit Larry Kudlow?

Taking a look at the U.S. markets following Friday’s quake, Kudlow said:

“The human toll here looks to be much worse than the economic toll, and we can be grateful for that.”

😯

Kudlow made his statement while a graphic displayed at the bottom of the screen informing viewers that more than 300 people are dead and more than 500 missing because of the earthquake. 😯

Perhaps realizing his gaffe, {Gaffe!!?? }
he then quickly added: “The human toll is a tragedy; we know that.

But these markets, all these markets — stocks, commodities, oil, gold — there is no major breakout or breakdown.”

Utterly craven.
And we’ll see about Larry’s markets as Asia and the Middle East comes looking for their money …
Get a Rabbi and a whole shitload of chairs for the lineup on Larry or Andrea Mitchell’s gig and they can all sit shiva. People with Life & Death needs urgently demanding real goods are stuck once again trying to wring some value from counterfeiters.

brinn - 14 March 2011

Holy shit! That is simply evil, even for Kudlow….

Just wow. This should be spread far and wide, that fucker.

brinn - 14 March 2011

Posted it on my FB — what a loathsome waste of space!

And the bimbo who is heard in the video saying “they believe this is good for the US economy….”

Oh, why why do they hate us so?!
For fuck’s sake.

13. BooHooHooMan - 14 March 2011

Well we’ll always have India, right? No?
Oh that’s right – we established last week they were getting it in the kind of innovative orifices via positions even the Kama Sutra doesn’t cover as investment outflows were headed to the Pacific Rim.

BUT, if anybody’s to make a difference, it’s gotta be Obbys’ New Head Of Economic Win The Future Hoo.. Right? yes? No? NO?!!

GE’s Immelt Faces Tough India Trip

The India visit of General Electric’s head comes at a difficult time for the company, whose older-technology reactors are involved in the accident at a Japanese nuclear plant, which rekindled debates over the safety and design of modern reactors.

Soooo, Obama fans out there, Nothing like having
– – > President Barry’s hand picked Face of American Recovery Whoopdy-Doo be the guy whose General Electric co-ventures are melting down in Japan, eh?

marisacat - 14 March 2011

It’s hard out there for the CEO of light bulbs. Hard for pretzel too, if he was hte least bit interested.

BooHooHooMan - 14 March 2011

I do think there are billions of other light bulbs turning on over this now. And maybe I’m seeing what I want to see, but I do think we are amidst epochal events, whether the present Western perception of Imperial status quo can gasp a last few breaths or not. We have already seen an effective default of US Treasuries by monetarist policy. Big time light bulbs going off over that.
The US and its client states are as sclerotic if not moreso than any in Europe circa 1900. Still lethal certainly, but as hell bent towards self destruction in the process.

marisacat - 14 March 2011

I think we shifted from full-on imperial to paid thugs at some point. I’d like to see the hands of the big multinational corps off the throat of the world. Everything in America is dictated by business.

mattes - 14 March 2011

Looking for GoldS and BOA news regarding nuclear plants and found this comment from last month article, golden boys jumping ship:

“After a period of faithfully doing God’s work Monseigneur Rabbi Pastor Richard Ruzika will retire to an unnamed private island fortified by Blackwater Guards to protect against the hoards of well wishing admirers.”

Richard Ruzika, the head of Goldman Sachs Group Inc.’s special situations group, is retiring from the firm:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/goldman-sachs-richard-ruzika-to-retire-nyt-2011-02-25-1322160

More news:

Ken Courtis, former vice chairman of Goldman Sachs Group in Asia, said the nuclear crisis in Japan could set the entire industry back decades.

snip
A number of uranium mining companies are also down today including:

Denison Mines is down over 24%
Cameco is down over 24%
Uranium One is down over 25%
Uranium Resources is down over 21%

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-nuclear-crisis-stocks-2011-3#ixzz1Gap0FBEU

Found it, 2010:

Goldman’s glowing
Bank’s commodities business to deliver uranium

Goldman Sachs is about to go nuclear.

The gold-plated investment bank, run by CEO Lloyd Blankfein, is making a concerted push into the delivery of uranium for the first time, adding to its high-powered commodities platform.

The vaunted investment bank is predicting a big boom in the development of a new generation of nuclear-powered plants — fueled by uranium — over the next several years.

Goldman has spent years building up its commodities platform, which trades energy derivative contracts. It also owns subsidiaries that buy and sell the physical commodities, such as oil and natural gas, that are the basis for those contracts.

Few other investment banks have the wherewithal to own the physical commodities — much less the radioactive kind:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/bank_commodities_business_to_deliver_x8LatzOSA1dTMEJoddf4bM

marisacat - 14 March 2011

well if it all comes around as it goes around.. Then, hey, Karma’s a bitch.

14. marisacat - 14 March 2011

It is snowing over parts of Japan.

brinn - 14 March 2011

Actual snow, or nuclear snow? There are parts of Japan where is is still very cold this time of year….

marisacat - 14 March 2011

oh no real snow… and they said over the weekend that a few systems were moving in… snow and rain.

15. marisacat - 14 March 2011

Speaking in India, Jeffrey Immelt, chief executive of General Electric, which provided the design for the Fukushima plant, said he did not have a view on the life of the 40-year old reactor. He also said it was too early to say whether the incident would mark the start of a chill for the nuclear industry

“We have to let it play out,” said Mr Immelt.

more by Jeffrey Immelt – 12 hours ago – Financial Times (1 occurrences)

mattes - 14 March 2011

Ugh. Their true colors.

Here is a good diary from someone in the industry:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/14/956193/-What-the-Fukushima-20Another-explosion,-an-uncovered-core-(UPDATED)

I can’t imagine what the plant operators must be experiencing. Knowing they are commiting suicide by staying and doing their jobs…all manual operations.

marisacat - 14 March 2011

The most recent facility, the core was 90% uncovered, according to a CUNY prof on ABC, they poured seawater in, but it just leaked out the bottom of the “no problem the cladding is blown off”, container… and i guess the fuel rods are exposed etc.

See BBC link below. Good overview.

mattes - 14 March 2011

Plant accidents, amazing how we never hear about them:

http://www.prop1.org/2000/accident/facts5.htm

brinn - 14 March 2011

“didn’t have a view”

Well, isn’t that fucking special??

16. BooHooHooMan - 14 March 2011

Live from the White House,
The Middlings Battle for Mid-Day…

In a nutshell?

😯 DON”T LOOK AT US. 😯

We gather there is some imbroglio involving het-up nuclear reactors located in a far, Far. FAR away land known as Japan, which, as you may know is not part of the continental United States. Not even Hawaii if it comes right down to it.

marisacat - 14 March 2011

he;s in front of a WTF backdrop… and just today I noticed, there is a subtext:

Responsibility ~ Results

17. mattes - 14 March 2011

Banks of America news:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/14/956169/-Naked-Capitalism:-Anonymous-Whistleblower-Charges-BofA-With-Large-Scale-Insurance-Scheme

Is this the result of banks and insurance companies cohabitating?

…and any news on radiation blowing all the way to the US?

marisacat - 14 March 2011

Joe Cirincione says it can… and he has seemed very straight forward for years… I just heard him this am.

marisacat - 14 March 2011

oh he also said fall out from Chernobyl went around the entire globe, to some degree, Northern Hemisphere…

mattes - 14 March 2011

I went to a website selling Potassium Iodine and patches…they were sold out.

18. marisacat - 14 March 2011

BBC has a good overview of the nuclear in Japan, in terms of the post quake, post tsuanmi breakdowns going on…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12737508

19. brinn - 14 March 2011

NHK English-Language Live Stream

Did I ever mentioned that for the first 6 months I lived in Japan, I lived in Fukushima Prefecture? Koriyama City….

I did get an email from a friend of mine who lives in Osaka — he and his family are ok….

brinn - 14 March 2011

This is like 2005 all over again….

They are running out of food and water and heating fuel in the evac. shelters…it is damned COLD in northern Japan in March….

and there’s “mox” in the air…

marisacat - 14 March 2011

In a WSJ piece i posted that first shelter than they evacuated people to, from the inner surrounds of Fukushima, ran out of food and water IN A DAY.

20. brinn - 14 March 2011

World Nuclear News

[link fixed!]

21. marisacat - 14 March 2011

Oh here is cheer! (not)

BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12733393

James Lyons, a senior IAEA nuclear safety official, also said: “I think at this time we don’t have any indication of fuel… currently melting.”

But the French Nuclear Safety Authority (ASN) has cast doubt on Japan’s classification of the crisis at Fukushima as level 4 of 7 on the International Nuclear Event Scale. Chernobyl was classified as level 7.

“Level four is a serious level,” ASN chief Andre-Claude Lacoste said, but added: “We feel that we are at least at level five or even at level six.”

brinn - 14 March 2011

Yeah, I’d say this is a bit higher than a “4”:

Loss of coolant at Fukushima Daiichi 2
14 March 2011

Serious damage to the reactor core of Fukushima Daiichi 2 seems likely after coolant was apparently lost for a period.

Tokyo Electric Power Company announced earlier today that unit 2’s reactor core isolation cooling system had failed after an increase in pressure in the containment vessel to some 700 kPa.

The Japan Atomic Industry Forum reported back statements from the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) that describe Tepco’s efforts from that point.

The company prepared to pump seawater into the reactor system, but this was only started “after the water level reached the top of the fuel.” The water level continued to drop and Tepco then began preparations to open a valve to vent the containment vessel.

At 8.50pm Tepco told NISA that it presumed some of the fuel rods were broken, based on radiation detected in the environment.

World Nuclear News

brinn - 14 March 2011

sorry about the screwed up link…

marisacat - 14 March 2011

if you have the URL, post it and I will fix….

😳 🙄 😉

22. brinn - 14 March 2011

Here is the one for the site
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/section.aspx?fid=802

and for the specific article
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Loss_of_coolant_at_Fukushima_Daiichi_2_1403113.html

I am just not with it today, sorry again.

marisacat - 14 March 2011

oh don’t worry about it… not a big deal…. 😉

23. marisacat - 14 March 2011

Very few references around to Kyodo or Onagawa… but this went up at Cpunch

http://counterpunch.org/alvarez03142011.html

this am:

[M]eanwhile, Unit 2 of the Tokai nuclear complex, which is near Kyodo and just 75 miles north of Tokyo, is reported to have a coolant pump failure. And Japan’s nuclear safety agency has declared a state of emergency at the Onagawa nuclear power plant in northeastern Japan because of high radiation levels. Authorities are saying its three reactors are “under control.” ….

And this too.. I haven’t caught anyone tlaking about the spent fuel pools

[T]he boiling-water reactors at Fukushima — 40 years old and designed by General Electric — have spent fuel pools several stories above ground adjacent to the top of the reactor. The hydrogen explosion may have blown off the roof covering the pool, as it’s not under containment. The pool requires water circulation to remove decay heat. If this doesn’t happen, the water will evaporate and possibly boil off. If a pool wall or support is compromised, then drainage is a concern. Once the water drops to around 5-6 feet above the assemblies, dose rates could be life-threatening near the reactor building. If significant drainage occurs, after several hours the zirconium cladding around the irradiated uranium could ignite.

Then all bets are off. ….

With more on the pools… if it wasn’t bad bad bad enough already.

24. brinn - 14 March 2011

You know, a fried of mine worked for DOE Contractor on Yucca Mountain for a decade….the thing that nobody seems to be talking about, especially the ones like Commonm Dreams is the HUGE amount of nuclear waste that we have just sitting about here and there, most of it above ground. Yes, of course, reactor meltdowns are hideous, but it would take an 8.9 quake to irradiate large portions of heavily populated areas. There are far far fewer failsafes on the “Storage sites” than on the reactors themselves….

I saw some of the specs on Yucca Mountain, and while, not the safe, safe saf-ity safe that the corporate shills are always spouting, it was a faaar safer thing than the situation “as is”….

Again, I am prompter to say that as a species, humans are too stupid to survive…or, perhaps I should revise this to, only the stupid, arrogant and greedy will survive…

brinn - 14 March 2011

Yeah, my mom told me about those yesterday — happy freaking birthday to me, eh?

I really feel helpless, and angry.

brinn - 14 March 2011

ok that went in the wrong place and I fucked up the URl again!!

I guess I just need to stop now — here is is Marisa, and again, apologies.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/03/11-12

mattes - 14 March 2011

“Virtually all homeowner insurance policies in the United States exempt the insurers from liability from a reactor disaster.”

…now why is that? Because all of us are already exposed? From years of accidents and bomb testings?

marisacat - 14 March 2011

I don’t think ANY of it safe… nor is the transporting of it… nor is keeping it on site safe either.

The reactors,, too many of them are too fucking old. Same in Europe. Here, Japan… and I just read they are ALL getting recertified. Some fo 20 years.

And i M SICK TO DEATH of how the industry shuts down ANY discussion. And like all of these heinous big industries, has pols and shills and moles everywhere…. : There are no problems, it is all safe, and the opposition to nuclear does nothing but lie.

brinn - 14 March 2011

Agreed.

Did you see the piece at CounterPunch by Gary Leupp? It brought me back to Japan and thought it was really well done…also, caused me to remember Kirosawa’s Yume…Netflix has it available for streaming (Dreams), here the clip that Leupp linked to:
Mt. Fuji in Red

marisacat - 14 March 2011

Yes I read taht… working my way thru the posts there, the ones to do with Japan….

25. mattes - 14 March 2011

*

* Published 11:37 14.03.11
* Latest update 11:37 14.03.11

‘U.S. military crew in Japan passes through radioactive cloud’
Second hydrogen explosion at nuke plant rocks stricken nuclear reactor, wounds 11 workers, and causes offshore U.S. aircraft to shift forces away from Japan.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/u-s-military-crew-in-japan-passes-through-radioactive-cloud-1.349111

mattes - 14 March 2011

oh….and it’s the:

USS Ronald Reagan passed through a radioactive cloud from stricken nuclear reactors in Japan, the New York Times reported on Monday, quoting U.S. government officials.

marisacat - 14 March 2011

and it was already 100 miles off shore. They took it out farther….

26. mattes - 14 March 2011

Calculated time for radioactive particles to cross the Pacific from the power plants in Japan to big West Coast cities if the particles take a direct path and move at a speed of 20 mph:

Cities Est. Distance (miles) Est. Time to Cross Pacific (days)
Anchorage 3,457 7
Honolulu 3,847 8
Seattle 4,792 10
Los Angeles 5,477 11

the Story:
http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/news/story/46940/winds-at-japan-power-plants-sh-1.asp

brinn - 14 March 2011

And look at these aftershocks!! Some as high as 5!

I’m pretty sure I didn’t screw this one up, but will have to hit post to find out…oh, for a preview button! 😉

brinn - 14 March 2011

YAY!

brinn - 14 March 2011

Of course ya’ll know that “yay” was for the fact that I didn’t fuck up the link, right?

I think I’m going to start drinking now.

marisacat - 14 March 2011

have one for me…

brinn - 14 March 2011

I’ve had yours, now I’m working on mine….
8)

marisacat - 14 March 2011

oh there are bigger ones, there was an independent earthquake of 6.6 in the N WEST and just outside Tokyo yesterday also a 6.6

27. mattes - 14 March 2011

Looks like a good history, but could only read part of it as it really depressed me.

http://www.loran-history.info/health/Killing_Our_Own.pdf

28. marisacat - 14 March 2011

New

LINK

……… 8)


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