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Residents evacuated from areas surrounding the Fukushima nuclear facilities are checked for radiation contamination in Koriyama, Japan     [Wally Santana/AP]

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1. brinn - 14 March 2011

Greg Palast on The South Texas Project….nuclear disaster in the making right here at home!!

2. brinn - 14 March 2011
marisacat - 14 March 2011

it is nearly hilarious:

Proven, Dependable Design

Each of the new units will hold a 1,350-megawatt Advanced Boiling Water Reactor (ABWR), the latest advancement in a plant design with a half-century history of safe and reliable operations worldwide. The ABWR also has a proven track record of being built on time and within budget, with four ABWRs already online in Japan, four more under construction there and in Taiwan, and eight additional units on order. When Units 3 & 4 are operational, they will double the STP’s output and make it the largest nuclear power plant in the U.S.

I say go for joint ventures, Radio Active Condos! Be right over your own energy source!!

I mean it is all so safe. And all.

brinn - 14 March 2011

yeah, ’cause we all know that nothing bad EVER happens on the Gulf Coast, right?

I’ve finished, your and my first one, working on my second, want I should have another for you after?? 😉

I feel like the people in Kurosawa’s film — “it’s too small, there’s nowhere to go, we’ll never escape!”
but I mean the human bull shit and the planet — where is there to go? How can I just get away? What will be left for my kids? *sigh* Day-after-birthday blues very very bad this year….

marisacat - 14 March 2011

yeah please have a couple more for me! It will long distance cheer me up!!

Dreams was a wonderfl film, I remember that sequence on the red Mt Fugi. Gives me an idea to rent it…. it will be a change for me… 😉

OK A third explosion at the reactor… KGO mentioned it almost an hour ago (and Madman told me NPR reported it, they of Giffords is dead fame), but I could find no print report on it…

It sounds like a second explosion at a individual reactor that has already had one explosion…. but not sure if at 1 or 3

marisacat - 14 March 2011

YES Al Jazeera is reporting a third explosion.

marisacat - 14 March 2011

An explosion at Unit 2, which means now all three have had explosions. Each, one. (Is there a 4th?)

marisacat - 14 March 2011

Finally UK Telegraph has a report that uses “third”, many are trying to smush 2nd and third explosion together:

Japan crisis: third explosion raises spectre of nuclear nightmare

New explosion at Fukushima plant, as engineers fought to prevent a meltdown in the second worst nuclear accident in history.

By Gordon Rayner and Martin Evans 10:06PM GMT 14 Mar 2011
69 Comments

The Japanese nuclear safety agency says explosion heard at Unit 2 of Fukushima Daiichi plant.

Earlier a cloud of radioactive dust billowed from the Fukushima Daiichi power plant after it suffered its second explosion in three days.

Government officials admitted that it was “highly likely” the fuel rods in three separate reactors had started to melt despite repeated efforts to cool them with sea water. Safety officials said they could not rule out a full meltdown as workers struggled to keep temperatures under control in the cores of the reactors.

The Fukushima crisis now rates as a more serious accident than the partial meltdown at Three Mile Island in the US in 1979, and is second only to the 1986 Chernobyl disaster, according to the French nuclear safety authority. After insisting for three days that the situation was under control, Japan urgently appealed to US and UN nuclear experts for technical help on preventing white-hot fuel rods melting.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said it was “unlikely” that the accident would turn into another Chernobyl, but failed to rule it out completely

brinn - 14 March 2011

This quote from that article is just heart-wrenching:
Kyoko Nambu, whose home was destroyed by the tsunami, said: “It’s like a horror movie. Our house is gone and now they are telling us to stay indoors.

“We can see the damage to our houses, but radiation? We have no idea what is happening. I am so scared.”

And you know they had a volcanic eruption as well, right?

marisacat - 14 March 2011

Yes… more evacuations… and a quake of 6.6 in the N WEST.

There is a lot of talk that one big worry is the possiblility of a impending 7.0 nearer to Tokyo.

I think it is wise to be worried.

brinn - 14 March 2011

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv

Live presser with Toyko Electric guys….the media are asking some tough questions…so far there’s a bit of shucking and jiving — this is a blast at #2…

brinn - 14 March 2011

Will do! Maybe it’ll make ME long distance “cheered up” too! 😉
*hugs*

brinn - 14 March 2011

Oh, and I’ll be watching their website to see if they even update it at ALL….

Unfeeling fuckers.

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 March 2011

dear god that’s stupid

brinn - 14 March 2011

Which? Hard to tell with all the stupidity flying around today! 😉

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 March 2011

was in response to your Tejas link above.

3. marisacat - 14 March 2011

hmm Stars and Stripes on the moving of multiple ships and aircraft of the 7th Fleet from the E coast of Japan. Not just the USS Ronnie R.

Love it, all 4 comments are either anti nuke or ”bring the troops home”.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 March 2011

Emotions Fuel Searches For The Missing In Japan

Shoko Ono is a real estate agent in Tokyo, 200 miles south of where her parents and grandparents live near Sendai. When the earthquake struck, the 23-year-old tried over and over to call, but with phone lines and cell phone reception down, there was only one thing left to do.

She went to the bank and took out as much money as she could, she says. Then she headed north by train. When there were no more trains, she took taxis. It cost her the better part of $800, but 18 hours later, she was approaching her home near Sendai.

Outside Sendai, Ono, the 23-year-old who took the $800 taxi ride from Tokyo, completes the last part of her journey to her parents’ house on foot.

The family dog welcomes her to a home largely undamaged by the earthquake, and a mother stunned by her arrival.

There’s no hugging or kissing, just gasps of surprise and shock as she stands and bows to her parents. They bow, too — the emotion of the moment palpable, even though nobody touches anyone.

Ono’s mother tells her that they are all right, although they have no electricity or water. But they don’t know about Ono’s grandparents, whose house may have been destroyed. There’s no way to get where they live, near the ocean.

They hope the grandparents were evacuated somewhere else, Ono’s mother says, but it seems impossible that they might still be alive.

5. marisacat - 14 March 2011

B-u-u-u-u-ut it is so S A F E

Tuesday, March 15, 2011

Buffett drops Fukushima trip

Bloomberg

Billionaire U.S. investor Warren Buffett has canceled a trip next week to attend a plant opening ceremony for Tungaloy Corp. in Fukushima Prefecture following the nation’s strongest earthquake.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 March 2011
7. marisacat - 14 March 2011

Whatever Diane.

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

Apparent Pressure Drop After New Japan Nuclear Reactor Blast Sparks Concern

brinn - 14 March 2011

?!
What the hell does that mean?

marisacat - 14 March 2011

exactly!

diane - 14 March 2011

Am I the Diane you’re refering to? (Really confused? Haven’t been posting due to family, health issues, and, to be honest, …morbid depression… best not shared ….if it’s about my not posting???)

marisacat - 14 March 2011

Sawyer.. Diane Sawyer of ABC.

diane - 14 March 2011

oh …(always waitin for an insane hammer to fall I guess …so glad in this instance it didn’t …hugs out and I’ll have some more drinks for ya, though I should’ve bought the red …puked my guts out for a day and a half, along with a killer migraine on the 11th and 12th..another ‘virus,’ according to ER, ….thank god my mom didn’t get it)

marisacat - 14 March 2011

gosh I hope you are feeling beter….

diane - 14 March 2011

‘heh’ …as the wind gently blows across the Pacific Ocean …one can only hope that only the Obombster Estate is covered in that dust …to make it uninhabitable …and all the personally owned monstrously obscene jets in Sly Con Valley …malfunction…all at the same time ….after all, …we are all in this together …are we not?

diane - 14 March 2011

thanks much honey, yes I’m feeling much better than I was at least …really started to wonder if I had ingested something lethal, I have never thrown up like that in my life.

8. brinn - 14 March 2011
9. brinn - 14 March 2011

In that video, look at the map at :19 — Koriyama, that where I lived for the first 6 months I was in Japan…

brinn - 14 March 2011

My mom lived there for almost three years….it was the home of the ill-fated Texas A&M-Koriyama campus…yes, really.

I think about all of the people I knew and tutored 18 years ago…so few of them I have stayed in touch with, but now I am regretting it horribly.

10. brinn - 14 March 2011

Meanwhile, assholes are still assholes

Really, you need 7.5$ mil to feel rich? Fuck you five ways to Sunday. Eat shit and die horribly. I can’t believe I share a planet with these …

11. marisacat - 14 March 2011

From a chronogical post at BI, the latest:

According to KYODO Wire, TEPCO is admitting, for the first time, the possibility of a meltdown. It also sounds as though this latest blast was the most serious, as it may have damaged the container, not just outer walls.

brinn - 14 March 2011

Yeah, I saw them admit that live in the press conference….

brinn - 14 March 2011

Still, no one is asking/talking about the spent fuel pools…it would seem to me that even without meltdown of the reactors themselves, the radiation danger from those cooling pools could be quite catastrophic…even if there’s very little spent fuel in them, which I’m thinking is not the case….

More beer…

marisacat - 14 March 2011

Only the articles at Cpunch, two of them Leupp and another.. and an expert on Al Jazeera English.

12. brinn - 14 March 2011

#4 reactor now has a fire..cabinet sec. giving a presser on NHK…

apparently #4 was not online, but is currently burning with spent fuel in….

swell.

13. brinn - 14 March 2011

a hole was observed in the #2 reactor….so this means there is less chance of a hydrogen explosion at #2…

dunno if stuff is getting lost in translation, but this isn’t making a whole lot of sense..

14. brinn - 14 March 2011

1, 2 and 3 reactors water injection operations are continuing smoothly and cooling is effectively being done…but the next issue is to maintain the cooling and deal with the fire at reactor 4 which is now burning…

Now he’s going on about radiation levels…miniseverts, that are bigger than microseverts, now we are talking about levels that can impact human health..please take this infomration calmly..

marisacat - 14 March 2011

He’s back to “Stay Inside!”

brinn - 14 March 2011

Yes, stay inside, don’t use ventilation, keep the windows closed and hang your laundry inside…

The farther away you get the less radiation you will be exposed to.

Gee, that’s fucking helpful!

Now for QUESTIONS!

marisacat - 14 March 2011

My god could they obfuscate MORE?

brinn - 14 March 2011

Very Japanese…believe me. Direct communication is not their cultural way…

marisacat - 14 March 2011

I agree, esp this one, a dumb fuck party man.

15. marisacat - 14 March 2011

oh jesus.. cathing what NHK says is a live press conference, with Edano – I am MORE confused. And the translator is not great,…. long stops and I think someone new started the sim trans (what a mess).

I think they are saying that NO 4 is now burning. It had been nonoperational at the time of the quake, but did have spent fuels inside.

He goes on to talk about cooling in units 1, 2, 3 as separate from No 4

They are screwed and so are we…. (short version)

16. BooHooHooMan - 14 March 2011
marisacat - 14 March 2011

This is a fucking mess.

Stay Indoors under 30 kilometers… but then he says Evacuate!!!!

brinn - 14 March 2011

And I love how both he AND the PM said, ask the guys at Tokyo Electric…oh, yeah, they’re so fucking forthcoming! YOU are the damned government — talk to the people!!

marisacat - 14 March 2011

Oh like the day a top Coast Guard woman referred to BP as “our partner”.

brinn - 14 March 2011

Yes, stay inside, grab you duct tape and kiss your ass goodbye…

Just saw a tweet from Australia that said that private Japanese jets are landing in the airports at very high rates…go figure.

marisacat - 14 March 2011

Just saw a tweet from Australia that said that private Japanese jets are landing in the airports at very high rates…go figure.

Because it is SO SAFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

L’Obster is still going on about edumacation. Testing. Reform!

brinn - 14 March 2011

Well, on that note, here’s something fun I found earlier:

“fun” being a relative term, of course

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 March 2011

the corps are the govts.

17. brinn - 14 March 2011

Ok, wait a minute, the high radiation readings are coming from the #4 fire, but the fire is not burning the spent fuel??? THEN WHERE ARE THE RADIATION READINGS COMING FROM!?!?

marisacat - 14 March 2011

It is so appallingly fucked up it is almost unbelievable.

18. mattes - 14 March 2011

LIES lies lies….I just bought potassium iodine. my poor thyroid cana’t take too much more.

CNN’s only tag: Radiation levels going down.

YES>>>because the wind is blowing them away.

19. brinn - 14 March 2011

Is ANYbody believing this shit — that staying inside a concrete building with the windows tightly shut is going to protect them against radiation exposure/poisoning — really? REALLY?!

marisacat - 14 March 2011

well nobody believes anybody anymore. No reason to….

brinn - 14 March 2011

*sigh*

so true….

20. brinn - 14 March 2011

Here is a better translation of the presser but I think we got the gist of it…..

marisacat - 14 March 2011

I’m gathering that all personnel have been evacuated from Unit 2… whcih means THEY GAVE UP…nothing more to do, what happens from Unit 2 happens.

brinn - 14 March 2011

Yes, this seems to bear that out:
The loss of the cooling functions at the No. 2 reactor means that three reactor cores are at risk of meltdowns at the plant.

Unlike the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors, water cycling functions were working to cool the core of the No. 2 reactor. But they stopped functioning for some reason, TEPCO officials said.

21. BooHooHooMan - 14 March 2011

Talk of mass exodus from Tokyo heading southeast now…

This is so horrible.
The cruel prospect of people in Japan…
left seeking refuge…
at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

brinn - 14 March 2011

Those were my exact thoughts earlier today, BHHM…

BooHooHooMan - 14 March 2011

I’m sorry, evacuees moving *southwest…

brinn - 14 March 2011

I was gonna correct you, but I knew you’d catch it! 🙂
The Peace Park in Hiroshima is agonizingly beautiful…where are you reading about the exodus?

BooHooHooMan - 14 March 2011

ZH had a piece with a link thru BBC, there are other reports that are flying by..

Mikan in Tokyo writes: “There is a growing sense that the Japanese government is not telling us the true story. On one end, there is the Japanese media that plays down the nuclear drama and focuses on human drama, and at the other, the foreign media is up-playing the nuclear disaster. In my company I heard at least half the essential staff is being sent to Hong Kong, Singapore or even Sydney. I am preparing to leave Tokyo and/or Japan. So are many of my friends. There is a sense of deserting Tokyo as soon as possible.”

22. diane - 14 March 2011

Hugs out to who is IOZ?, (especially as a female)

….Is it even necessary to note that this is just a sickening and inhuman way of looking at catastrophe. “These are not problems that can be solved on the demand side.” Wuuuutttt? Fuck you, Yglesias. May the sky fall on your head.

(bolding mine)

marisacat - 14 March 2011

His piece on Yggles was great… and a couple that he had on L’Obster too.

diane - 14 March 2011

…I loved:

Human Resources

marisacat - 14 March 2011

I like th one where he smacks around a commenter who slapped a woman commenter… (in words).

I remember the day Obster called a woman reporter “sweetie”.

he is such a fucking bullhsiter.

diane - 14 March 2011

yup (I linked that one to the word “female” in comment 22 above)

marisacat - 14 March 2011

oh I missed the second link…

23. catnip - 14 March 2011

Still trying to catch up here. Between Renovation Square pandemonium and my new (anonymous) FB account now sucking grey matter right out through my nostrils and the fact that I don’t really understand nuclear power (although I just heard a very quick and easy-to-understand synopsis on the teevee – physics and chemistry were never MY strong suit), I am – as they say – on overload.

Picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue…

brinn - 14 March 2011

Me too, catnip, but the beer is helping. I find I need a serious cry/scream/pillow bashing session, but I don’t want to upset the boys…it’ll have to wait, I guess…

Perhaps I should just go to bed…

catnip - 14 March 2011

I see you lived in Japan? When was that? Any connections now that you’re worried about? I’ve only been able to skim here tonite.

Let it out somehow or you’ll wear yourself out. (((hugs)))

brinn - 14 March 2011

It was nearly 19 years ago… the folks I’ve stayed in touch with have confirmed ok (at least as of yesterday…), but there are so many more who I’ve fallen out of touch with whose faces and voices have been in my head and heart all weekend…

thanks for the much needed hugs!

catnip - 14 March 2011

That must be hard for you. I went through that when Hurricane Andrew hit Jamaica.

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 March 2011

I just feel numb … I watched a clip of Sen. Alexander say on the Senate floor that we don’t stop driving cars because an overpass collapses.

>>>pounds head on desk<<<<

brinn - 14 March 2011

I am assuming he was making an argument for full speed ahead with new nuke plants?

Careful with that head (axe), madman (Eugene)…
🙂

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 March 2011

yes, he was …

the US Senate … full of several species of furry animals gathered together in a cave dancing with a lobbyist.

brinn - 14 March 2011

*BIGASSGRIN*

Thanks, madman, I needed that!!

I think I’ll go listen to “The Gnome” now….

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 March 2011

🙂

catnip - 14 March 2011

And Obamalama’s all about Winning The Future with nuclear power.

BooHooHooMan - 14 March 2011

Yep.
Barry Back-nine, remember him? –
Chipping out of the Bunker onto the Green so to speak…

Obama Stands Behind Nuclear Power

You know, help “the Recovery”..pick up some steam
And all.

Nobody hears peep shit from the guy except for that.

marisacat - 14 March 2011

oh the big one out here the past days, is Did we stop making planes when a plane crashed?

Well but, a plane crash is horrific but does not usually ensure cancers, various diseases and birth defects and so on thru generations.

24. diane - 14 March 2011

welp, there it is, in print:

…. This is the worst nuclear crisis Japan has faced since the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki during World War II….

more

I don’t even want to know how many special folk (including in Hawaii and along the US Pacific coastline) were given that warning over a day ago.

diane - 14 March 2011

(Of course that piece is listed under Business News, as only the investor class appears to be given sufficient forewarning to potential – and in this instance, massive – human tragedy; ….which they then hedge their bets on the winners and losers of ….fucking despicable………….. )

catnip - 14 March 2011

It’s about fucking time that was brought up.

diane - 14 March 2011

really….and the millions of Japanese who must have such, not really that long ago, memories of that horror.

brinn - 14 March 2011

wow.

Altered the earth’s spin. My tiny little mind can’t take any more for today…

Take good care, friends!

brinn - 14 March 2011

oops, put this in the wrong place…

*waves at diane*

diane - 14 March 2011

waves back …kisses to you and your boys honey!

diane - 14 March 2011

ahh well, now that “The ‘Peoples’ Press” has been given the ‘DC NOD’ …no holds barred on the ‘Emoting,’ … though a tad late for those who believed they were in no danger:

”Japan nuclear crisis worsens: People urged to stay inside as radiation pours from plant

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 March 2011

speaking of stupid American self-regard:

Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Senate Republican leader, said that the United States should not overreact to the Japanese nuclear crisis by clamping down on the domestic industry indefinitely. Republicans have loudly complained that the Obama administration did just that after the BP oil spill last spring when it imposed a moratorium on deepwater oil drilling until new safety and environmental rules were written.

“I don’t think right after a major environmental catastrophe is a very good time to be making American domestic policy,” Mr. McConnell said on “Fox News Sunday.”

He said that the American public and politicians had recoiled after Three Mile Island, rejecting permits for the construction of dozens of nuclear plants on the “not in my backyard” impulse.

“My thought about it is, we ought not to make American and domestic policy based upon an event that happened in Japan,” Mr. McConnell said.

Ummm, we quit building nuke plants not just b/c of NIMBY movements, but because investors and insurance companies ran away from the industry.

marisacat - 14 March 2011

now they will next to uninsurable. Cue the rate payers!!

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 March 2011
27. marisacat - 14 March 2011

BTW, I just read over the weekend that Duke Energy is massively underwriting, sponsoring, raising cashola for the Dem convention in 2012 in Charlotte.

Thy are guaranteeing a 35 million dollar cost the city extends to the Dems to seal the deal… AND Duke (well the CEO) has extended a 10 million dollar line of credit to the Dems in conjunction with the party … among other bundling activities.

diane - 14 March 2011

how very Grand …shall we all take a guess as to the implications of that “Ho” Purchase…

diane - 14 March 2011

hmmmm maybe we should attempt some laughter at guessing what all the bitchez (no gender implied, afterall they aren’t fucking human) will wear to the ball?

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 March 2011

Maddow did a pretty good, concise rundown of the reactor problems so far:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32545640Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 March 2011
29. marisacat - 14 March 2011

New

LINK

……………. 8)


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