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Vessels float on oil-contaminated water in Fudai, Iwate, northern Japan

Vessels float on oil-contaminated water in Fudai, Iwate, northern Japan [AP]

 …”‘No possibility’ of a Chernobyl-style disaster at Japan nuclear plant”:

Japan nuclear plant: ‘no Chernobyl possibility’

Japan’s nuclear safety agency has said there is “absolutely no possibility of a Chernobyl” style accident at the Fukushima No.1 plant, according to the national strategy minister.

A little farther down:

[J]ust after Prime Minister Naoto Kan went on television to tell the nation that the Fukushima No.1 plant was in an “alarming” state, its No. 3 reactor erupted on Monday in a resounding blast that was felt 25 miles away.

The explosion injured six workers, and four soldiers, and sent clouds of white smoke billowing into the sky.

Japan’s government sought to play down fears of a dangerous radiation leak, saying the No. 3 reactor’s inner containment vessel, which holds the nuclear fuel rods, was still intact following the blast, which was caused by a hydrogen build up.

Koichiro Genba, the national strategy minister, said at the plant, there is “absolutely no possibility of a Chernobyl”.

Sounds like we are relying on the outer structure to keep us from Chernobyl:

Murray Jennex, from San Diego State University, echoed Mr Genba’s comparisons to Chernobyl.

“Everything I’ve seen says that the containment structure is operating as it’s designed to operate. It’s keeping the radiation in and it’s holding everything in, which is the good news,” he said.

“This is nothing like a Chernobyl … At Chernobyl (in Ukraine in 1986) you had no containment structure – when it blew, it blew everything straight out into the atmosphere.”

Everything is going swimmingly:

Fukushima’s number one reactor was due to be decommissioned last month, but had its operating licence extended for another 10 years due to the demand for electricity.

Officials insisted last night that the explosion had not breached the core so had not resulted in a major release of radioactive material.

And, well, you know:

Prof Walt Patterson, a nuclear energy expert at Chatham House, told Channel Four News that the problems at the plants had been “foreseen for many years”.

He said: “The design of the reactor is such that it is inherently susceptible to the kind of problems happening now.”

What is next, I wonder.

I heard today that the steam release will be going on for months, at least a year. These 50 workers will get sick, become ill, or simply wear out from the stress. But the site needs workers for as long as it needs to off load steam.  TEPCO will will have to find replacement workers for what is a sacrificial job.

One expert today said, unlike Three Mile Island where they at least had electricity, the workers at Fukushima are working in the dark.

Aren’t we all.

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1. marisacat - 15 March 2011

I am hearing a news update… and it sounds like the gvernment or TEPCO is pulling the workers out of Fukushima.

“No longer able to continue working due to the danger”

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An expert on KGO (with the only liberal host) is reminding that Chernobyl had one reactor, here we hve 3 reactors, ones fully operational at the time of the disaster, and 6 of the spent fuel pools.

He is an expert with a nuclear policy group called Bridge the Gap.

marisacat - 15 March 2011

Yes they pulled all the workers, a surge in radiation at the site….

The expert on KGO says “this is the worst news possible”. And it is time to “mourn”.

He says it is the gamma rays, it just goes thru everything… and they are abandoning the attempt to put out the fires.

“They are leaving ti to its fate”

… and everybody, to one degree or another.

marisacat - 15 March 2011

Dan Hirsh, the expert, is now describing full meltdown. The coolant water has been going in by hoses, run off fire trucks….

It requires workers.

Jack Crow - 15 March 2011

It sickens. Those firefighters and the remaining 50 workers have probably killed themselves to buy time for the Japanese state and the plant owners, in the PR/Damage Control department.

Now they’re being pulled back to perhaps die near alone and hooked up to monitors and deathbeds, so that the newsgroups can start using “Daiichi and Chernobyl” in the same sentence, come the future fire next time.

I want to find a hundred bossfuckers with the most culpability and punch them in the face with “spent” plutonium…

marisacat - 15 March 2011

That’s right, they will die alone.

I want to find a hundred bossfuckers with the most culpability and punch them in the face with “spent” plutonium…

Immelt is a place to start… And so many others, predecessors, etc.

Jack Crow - 15 March 2011

Yeah. GE has got something coming it’s way.

I wrote recently of Viktor Birkun, @ Chernobyl. I know it makes no difference, and will change no part of the outcome at Daiichi, but I want to know their names, these still nameless fifty who have consumed death in an attempt to save so many others.

marisacat - 15 March 2011

BTW, feel free to link to your blog here in threads…

http://the-crows-eye.blogspot.com/

Jack Crow - 15 March 2011

Oh ungod, I wasn’t trying to plug. Just connecting the dots for myself. I’m sorry if I gave that impression.

marisacat - 15 March 2011

Not at all… but I wanted you to know to go ahead and link to yourself, anytime. Same goes for anyone who comments here with a blog… ms_xeno, catnip, Madman – anyone……

or to link to your or others’ comments at other sites.

lucid - 15 March 2011

Too bad there wasn’t an episode of ‘Undercover Boss’ going on at the plant when this happened…

mattes - 15 March 2011

🙂

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 March 2011

The Rich Are Different

More than four out of ten American millionaires say they do not feel rich. Indeed many would need to have at least $7.5 million in order to feel they were truly rich, according to a Fidelity Investments survey.

Some 42 percent of the more than 1,000 millionaires surveyed by Fidelity said they did not feel wealthy. Respondents had at least $1 million in investable assets, excluding any real estate or retirement accounts.

The average age of respondents was 56 years old with a mean of $3.5 million of investable assets. The threshold for “rich” rose with age.

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 March 2011

Nearly half of signatures collected for recall of Wisconsin GOP state senators, Dems say

In another sign that the Wisconsin GOP’s quick passage of the bill to roll back bargaining rights is only causing the fight to escalate, Dems have now collected over 45 percent of the signatures necessary to hold recall elections for eight GOP state senators, the Wisconsin Democratic Party tells me.

Dems have now collected over 56,000 signatures supporting the recall drives, according to party spokesman Graeme Zielinski, after another surge in organizing activity over the weekend. That’s up from rougly 14,000 after last weekend. This means Dems are well ahead of schedule: In each targeted district, Dems need to amass the required signatures — 25 percent of the number who voted in the last gubernatorial election — by a deadline of 60 days after first filing for recalls, which happened nearly two weeks ago.

In other words, Dems are reporting they are nearly halfway to the finish line, with roughly three-fourths of the alloted time remaining.

Though the national media has largely treated the Wisconsin story as resolved, now that Republicans used a procedural maneuver to pass Scott Walker’s measure, the new signature numbers suggest the GOP’s maneuver may only be giving more momentum to the recall drives. The recall fight has drawn the attention of national Dems, who are keeping attention on the battle in hopes that it will have ramifications in the 2012 Congressional and presidential elections, by galvanizing the Dem base, persuading independents that the GOP has overreached, and reawakening the affection of blue collar whites for unions.

4. marisacat - 15 March 2011

It’s the Ides of March, btw.

brinn - 15 March 2011

yes, indeed.

brinn - 15 March 2011

always 2 days after my birthday…give me one day to recover before I have start being -ware….

5. brinn - 15 March 2011

Japan’s Nuclear Farce

Exasperation with the quality of information coming out of the Japanese nuclear authority, the government and the Tokyo Electric company led to harsh words from the French nuclear authority this morning.

It said the Daiichi accident could be classed as a level 6 event on the scale of one to 7. The Chernobyl calamity in 1986 began as a level 6 event and was then elevated to level 7, which until now consist of the only level 6 and level 7 events recorded.

An official was quoted as saying “Tokyo has all but lost control over the situation”.

…and so it goes…

marisacat - 15 March 2011

Tokyo has all but lost control over the situation”.

That line from the French authority I had not heard.

6. marisacat - 15 March 2011

A caller to KGO says that TVA is proposing to use MOX, Mixed Oxide in a Savannah plant.

Further, that the mix is composed of plutonium recovered from weapons, it is weapons grade.

Oh what a tangled web we weave….

marisacat - 15 March 2011

TVA + mixed oxide + Savannah

Taht is Savannah River plant, in North Carolina.

7. marisacat - 15 March 2011

Just before midnight, we reported that the ongoing crisis at Fukushima nuclear plant had been upgraded to a level 6 on the 7-point International Nuclear Events Scale.

via Al Jazeera E.

Barring a miracle from above or below, it went to a 7.

8. marisacat - 15 March 2011

BBC World News playing the withdrawal of workers down. “Fluctuating” radiation and they are “withdrawn to a safe area”.

The insane bunch who have imposed themselves on us as leaders will lie. to. the. end.

9. diane - 15 March 2011

Stand in Front of Diablo Nuclear Power Plant, Mr. President, and Tell Me How Confident You Are!

Currently, plant owners Pacific Gas and Electric Co. applied with the NRC to renew the operating licenses for the plant’s two reactors.

How inspiring the probability, given PG&E’s astounding record of murderous, criminal negligence. San Bruno, Cali to the millionth power a gift to last an eternity!

marisacat - 15 March 2011

Yeah but Obby is partly owned by Exelon. They certainly own Axelrod.

diane - 15 March 2011

No doubt … from a 2008 NYT piece:

When residents in Illinois voiced outrage two years ago upon learning that the Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants, the state’s freshman senator, Barack Obama, took up their cause.

Ohhh…but wait, no he didn’t:

A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.

Sooprise!

…“The teeth were just taken out of it.”

Nice pals:

Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.

Another Obama donor, John W. Rowe, chairman of Exelon, is also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power industry’s lobbying group, based in Washington. Exelon’s support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate.

I’m sure he’s pals with thugs at PG&E and their investor class enablers at the CPUC (Cali PublicUtilities Commission) too.

10. marisacat - 15 March 2011

Look how th tone of the story has changed, but they tailor it so they can still say (for a bit) that Chernobyl was “worse”.

How bad is disaster? Chernobyl worse

Seattle Times – ‎14 minutes ago‎

The IAEA rated the seriousness of the nuclear emergency at the Fukushima Daiichi reactors as 6 on a scale of 7. Three Mile Island was rated as 5/7, while Chernobyl was rated 7/7. …

I can read tho, and Fukushima is now formally rated as WORSE than Three Mile Island.

BooHooHooMan - 15 March 2011

Chernobyl worse..

Well I’d vote for Three Mile Island, having lived long enough to see Carter, Ronnie, Poppy, The Big Dawg, Cheney-Shrub, and BarryClintonBiden or whatever that gelatinous fish thing is that mutated forth.
But I gather given the vote, we’re supposed to go with the Hope for Change Earthquake/ Tsunami/ 6 Reactor Nuclear Meltdown Japan thing over Chernoyl now, right?
This is a big decision.
I want to make a difference.

marisacat - 15 March 2011

Be the change you know you are! Win the future!

We are the ones we have been waiting for!

Obama-san will lead us!


BarryClintonBiden

Better toss Ike in there too, even if you never saw him… David Brooks today compared Obster to Ike..

IkOb…ObIke?

BIke?

11. marisacat - 15 March 2011

Another “aftershock” of 6.0

No word in the update as to where it was, N, S, E, W….

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AP from AJC

The U.S. Geological Survey said the new aftershock struck about 1 p.m. Wednesday near the coast of Honshu in northeast Japan.

That’s about 59 miles (95 kilometers) from the capital, Tokyo.

Two aftershocks Tuesday afternoon caused buildings in Tokyo to sway. They were measured at 6.0 and 6.2 magnitude.

brinn - 15 March 2011

Chiba Prefecture — Tokyo’s prefecture….

wu ming - 15 March 2011

we still haven’t seen a major aftershock in the 8s yet, which is normal with a big quake. usually one or two big aftershocks down a magnitude, many more down two orders of magnitude, and unceasing ones below that for months on end, until you flinch at every passing truck’s vibrations.

my friends are out of tokyo, but if this melts down and burns for long enough, even taiwan isn’t safe. once the monsoon winds shift and start blowing towards the asian mainland, there are hundreds of billions of people in harm’s way.

time to entomb this fucker.

marisacat - 15 March 2011

Oh not to worry… Of course they did not withdraw everybody! (WSJ and a few other publications are trying that one!)…

And a physicist right now is saying, the rods just burn away to a glob and fall into the ground water, and the ground water quenches them.

I think he actually believes it.

Which should be very worrisome…

wu ming - 15 March 2011

i think right now the question is how big the new nature park is going to be. once that hits ground water, it’ll be poisonous until the end of time, from a human perspective. jesus.

marisacat - 15 March 2011

Second time i have heard him say it too.. a Lawrence Livermore guy.

BooHooHooMan - 16 March 2011

The only Top / Down rescue underway…
the only race against time (coming for the PTB)
is for global capital.

International corporate government, what else- they lie, twist, obscure , delay, hideously hope-hump the struggle against ascertainable catastrophe and its sequalae, all the while abandoning otherwise mobile, immediately reachable yet re$ource demanding people. But no, this is about buying plutocrats the opportunity to re-align their portfolios as best they can. First, foremost, and only.

GE’s Larry Asshole du jour, O’Brien tonite on their network, that puckered with stock option’d shit peanuts coated around his blow waved hairy asshole emphatically led a seg with: “What we KNOW is that evacuations are impossible. They just are impossible.”

Yeh well at day 5, 6, and 7 they are.
Every one of these shit stains have been providing dutiful cover for days while the MIC has been sweating salvaging MONEY. Concurrent with Capital’s demands to preserve their status quo, whether to crush Pan Arab revolts, or to keep markets from coming wholly unglued in the US and the EU, Japan was left to die.

marisacat - 16 March 2011

global capital

The greatest Golden Calf that has ever been!

BooHooHooMan - 16 March 2011

Let’s hope everyone likes beef with mad cow disease.

marisacat - 16 March 2011

Riddled brains.

How will we notice.

Madman in the Marketplace - 16 March 2011

sure it does, with a resulting plume of radioactive steam shooting upward.

asshole.

12. mattes - 15 March 2011
13. diane - 15 March 2011

I missed this disgusting shit last week regarding Michigan from March 10:

Though Gov. Rick Snyder says he is not interested in hurting unions, yesterday’s Senate approval of a package that gives Emergency Managers complete power over financially troubled towns and school districts means he will soon be asked to sign off on measures that are expected to eliminate union jobs across the state.

In a party line vote, and despite impassioned speeches of protest by the body’s Democratic minority, the Michigan Senate approved legislation that threatens to take over and even dissolve local governments that refuse to balance their budgets by breaking labor contracts.

According to the law, which has already been approved in the House, the governor will be able to declare “financial emergency” in towns or school districts and appoint someone to fire local elected officials, break contracts, seize and sell assets, and eliminate services.

Under the law whole cities or school districts could be eliminated without any public participation or oversight, and amendments designed to provide minimal safeguards and public involvement were voted down.

more

The viciousness of the ReThuglican Governors is stunning…only equaled by the betrayal of so many DemoRats across the country….

Even Forbes. has a condemnation piece on it (will have to check out the writer, E.D. Kaine more often):

Michigan Governor Plays Fast and Loose with Democracy, Invokes Radical New Powers

…The governor simply has to declare a financial emergency to invoke these powers – or he can hire a private company to declare financial emergency and take over oversight of the city. That’s right, a private corporation can declare your city in a state of financial emergency and send in its Emergency Manager, fire your elected officials, and reap the benefits of the ensuing state contracts.

These Republican governors have risen to power in what will eventually be seen as one of the great political farces of our time. …. There is nothing limited about a state government that can erase entire cities or take control of school districts and local governments with the swipe of a pen. Manufactured crisis and a litany of politicians and power-brokers talking about how broke we are is all it takes to rob us of our democracy.

Well hopefully tomorrow’s protests in Lansing will be a lot larger and less docile then they were today.

marisacat - 15 March 2011

Makes Jerry who just wants to cut things to the bone, why … my goodness Pat’s boy looks like a great and kind leader. By comparison.

So fucking sick to death of them all.

14. diane - 15 March 2011

Japan suspends work at stricken nuclear plant

“It’s more of a surrender,” said David Lochbaum, a nuclear engineer who now heads the nuclear safety program for the Union of Concerned Scientists, an activist group. “It’s not like you wait 10 days and the radiation goes away. In that 10 days things are going to get worse.”

“It’s basically a sign that there’s nothing left to do but throw in the towel,” Lochbaum said.

(I hate posting this, the apparent outcome is unbelievably horrid)

marisacat - 15 March 2011

yes see upthread.

diane - 16 March 2011

duh …. I read earlier at the top of the thread about the expert on KGO’s commentary and promptly forgot..my mind is muddled by horrid news overload …

15. BooHooHooMan - 16 March 2011

Somebody pour some coolant on this shithead.

“Petraeus positive about US Afghanistan progress”

The US commander in Afghanistan has said the Taliban’s momentum has been halted in key areas, keeping the US on course to start withdrawing in July.

Peter Pants on Fire Petreaus –

Poll: Support for Afghan war plummets

Nearly two-thirds of Americans now say the war in Afghanistan is no longer worth fighting, the highest proportion yet opposed to the conflict, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

ts - 16 March 2011

Please somebody take the p’s away from that person.

16. BooHooHooMan - 16 March 2011

Today in Nobody Goes to Jail

It’s nice to be connected and Jewish in New York.

17. marisacat - 16 March 2011

oh god help us. There may be a shortage of available fish for sushi in the SF Bay Area. Shortages out of the Japanese market, and our own fish catch/supplies being bought for that market.

Whatever will we doooooooooo!

diane - 16 March 2011

so that’s the eerie wailing sound I heard earlier, the mourning of the Whole Wallet [Foods] devotees of the investor class…I thought it was to creepy to be coyotes, thanks for the validation.

18. diane - 16 March 2011

The ‘workers’ returned, from the Aljazeera Blog:

(All times are local in Japan GMT+9)

….

6:15pm Workers have now returned to the nuclear power station having earlier left because of a rise in radiation levels.

According to Joi Ito, there was a mistranslation:

5:22pm Joi Ito (@Joi) blogs about how the change of location of workers at Fukushima plant was misreported as ‘evacuation’ -as it simply got lost in translation – here is Joi’s blog post

This morning at 8:30AM March 16 JST Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano held a press conference to talk about the smoke billowing from Reactor 3 at Fukushima.

At this press conference, he explained that the radiation levels spiked and that TEPCO staff would be temporarily moved to “a safe region”. He probably should have said “location” as Hiroko Tabuchi pointed out to me.

The foreign press misunderstood this and started reporting that the TEPCO staff had evacuated the reactor causing a broad panic. Hiroko Tabuchi of the New York Times contacted the Nuclear Industry Safety Agency and TEPCO directly to clarify and confirmed that they had not in fact been evacuated, but just moved temporarily to a safer area during the spike.

Jun Seita then reported that as of 11:30AM, NHK was reporting that the staff were back to work.

The frustrating thing was that once this corrosive and sensational misinformation was in the main stream media via the wires, it was very hard to get them to fix it.

Al Jazeera was the first that I saw to edit their news story to reflect that indeed they had not been evacuated.

At the same press conference Edano accidentally said 1000 millisievert instead of 1000 microsieverts causing further confusion in the media.

They really should publish the names of those ‘workers’ who are likely knowingly sacrificing their lives.

marisacat - 16 March 2011

CBS reported that as well… but I wonder, a bit. Japanese helicopters have been dropping water over the reactors and it is presented in the press that Japan “will now” ask the US for help in dropping water from the air. The FAA is commenting in the media, they are ready to step forward. And so on

I don’t think the “foreign press” misunderstood. I heard the voice of the NHK translator (their own translator) state that all were being evacuated. It was some hours later that the re-telling moved to “for a while”.

I think time is simply running out.

I think they are moving to decide how to seal it. And as one local physicist said, maybe it can be looked at in 50 + years. Joe Cirincione has said the same…

diane - 16 March 2011

I was wondering the same thing as to whether it was really a mistranslation, there’s certainly no reason to place any faith in TEPCO’s ‘clarifications.’ Whether it was or wasn’t, it certainly doesn’t look hopeful at all.

marisacat - 16 March 2011

FT has a piece up that any patience iwth Tepco is “wearing thin”.

Yup sure as shootin’

19. marisacat - 16 March 2011

New

LINK

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