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Details… 5 May 2011

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, Culture of Death, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC, Total fucking lunatics, WAR!.

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Details like this won’t necessarily go down well, thruout the world.  A world that is more and more opposed to the US.

From the Sydney Morning Herald

OSAMA bin Laden was unarmed and with members of his family – including his 12-year-old daughter – when he was shot dead by US special forces on Monday, according to new details that emerged yesterday.

The daughter has claimed that she watched as her father was captured alive and shot before being dragged to a US military helicopter, Arabic news network al-Arabiya quoted Pakistani officials as saying .  .  .

What I know of guns and ammunition can go on the head of a pin and still leave room for subdivisions, freeways and national parks.. but thinking about the bin Laden wound, I wonder if it was not execution style. 

The description that is surfacing (which may or may not be true) of the left eye blown out, part of the skull blown off and so on.  I wonder if he was not captured, then forced to his knees and a head shot to the back of the head, with the extensive damage being the exit wound.

I am so tired of war, and it is all there is anymore… that and lies.

Nothing else…



1. marisacat - 5 May 2011

I’m finally watching the Spike Lee 4 parter on Katrina (When the Levees Broke)… After watching first season of Treme, I thought I’d grit my teeth and watch it finally…

ugh he gives Mayor Nagin (former R turned D, Cox Communicatios former exec, black, a token at Cox, I would bet… and worth less than cheap dog food) space and then more space to pet himself. What a pity.

I’d say, as Nagin re-appears to pet himself yet again!, Spike fell in love. Or something.

2. BooHooHooMan - 5 May 2011


Account Tells of One-Sided Battle in Bin Laden Raid

The new details suggested that more than 20 Navy Seals quickly dispatched the handful of men protecting Osama Bin Laden, with only his trusted courier firing on U.S. forces.

And – Wait for it – Live forecer-

The Telegraph – 😳

The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events.

BooHooHooMan - 5 May 2011

LOL. Every Media head is moving to the “This does not diminish what happened” platform now.

My this is moving Quick!

marisacat - 5 May 2011

Melt some butter…. pop some corn!

So………. Hillary chews the backside of her fingers in order to mimic what she might feel if anything were real?

Biden fingers a “rosary ring” ( ewwww is all I can say)… and I am thinking the photoshopped pic of Obby with a remote for video games, might be right on target.

Can this onion get peeled faster?

diane - 5 May 2011

Oh but wait! … PBS reports, today, at 1:15 PM EDT:

Speaking in Rome on Thursday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave her perspective on what was happening in the White House Situation Room when the now-iconic photo was taken during the risky Sunday raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound.

Clinton said those were “38 of the most intense minutes”…[of video – diane]

marisacat - 5 May 2011

Every single one of them!

diane - 5 May 2011

wait hon! …what about those two missing minutes? …THEY .. said there were 40! …… the kill shot! ….Bad Luck! ……


marisacat - 5 May 2011

oh the Telegraph piece is very interesting. I get the sense of Panetta laying down a line. Or a smack down.

Hey, may they bite each other, all of them, to death.

catnip - 5 May 2011

‎”He said: “The authority here was to kill bin Laden. And obviously, under the rules of engagement, if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn’t appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But they had full authority to kill him.

“To be frank, I don’t think he had a lot of time to say anything. It was a firefight going up that compound. And by the time they got to the third floor and found bin Laden, I think it – this was all split-second action on the part of the Seals.”

He didn’t even have time to surrender. Heckuva job, SEALS.

3. marisacat - 5 May 2011

Thank jesus! NO speech.

[W]hite House press secretary Jay Carney said Obama will not speak publicly in any of the appearances and that his participation in the wreath-laying ceremony will speak for itself. “The power of that requires no words,” he said at his daily briefing for reporters.

He said Obama wants to “share a bittersweet moment for many families.” . . . .

Read more: Link to People Mag Politico

4. marisacat - 5 May 2011

Reading between the lines, I think FB finessed the mess.

😆 Lipless is jobless.

ROBERT GIBBS isn’t going to Facebook. A friend says:

“It blew up.” The deal – a potential goldmine when Facebook goes public — was originally described to us by Obamans as a chance for Gibbs to be “Mark Zuckerberg’s guy.” But when the Facebook side leaked precise details to NYT’s Andrew Ross Sorkin about the layers that would separate Gibbs from the top, it was pretty clear that Gibbs – who used to report to the president of the United States – wasn’t going. Gibbs’ defenders point out that Facebook has been trying to fill this job for a long time.

diane - 5 May 2011

jobless, ..and fwendless! …..wough wowld out thewe bobbie!

5. marisacat - 5 May 2011

Oh too funny… the Archbishop of Canterbury is not only “uncomfortable” with the possible shooting of an unarmed man… but says the conflicting story lines “do not help”.

6. davidly - 5 May 2011

They never should have released the above photo. Talk about spiking the football.

marisacat - 5 May 2011

yeah I agree….

ts - 5 May 2011

They spiked it on the five yard line.

7. diane - 5 May 2011

Speaking of PBS “Sesame Street”: Brought to you by PNC Bank – A bailed-out financial institution teams up with PBS to teach our kids how to spend money on useless crap

USA Today reports that with “money education in schools still limited,” the PNC-Sesame Street effort may end up filling a curriculum gap.

and I thought those Comcast Xfinity ® commercials were disgusting, …..silly me …..

8. diane - 5 May 2011

Anyone else curious about the Pakistani raid tweeter? And whether he’s just an average tweeter? He’s still on this job, with video, which the HuffPo is now suggesting might be those special helicopters.

From the still shot at least, the video could have been taken anywhere. The other thing is that: like the moon looks far smaller than it appeared in amateur shots of the moon, fire looks far more horrendous than it actually is in amateur shots (I took a shot that included a grill fire I had made while camping at the Grand Canyon, and it looked like I had set the whole frickin campground on fire). Of course, it could be the helicopter, and it could be something else that was set afire, that trash, for instance …..and he could be exactly who he say’s he is …..an innocent bystander, unafraid to be tweeting without cover, about the murderous $US$
MIC, in which case I believe he’s pretty fucking brave.

I think DC might actually be delighting in the confusion, versus all the mutating versions being absolute ineptitude, after all it’s pretty clear they don’t give a rat’s ass whether we think they’re murderous assholes or not.

diane - 5 May 2011

(one thing is certain, as a local, with a residence, he wasn’t your average Pakistani, despite those shabby fences.)

marisacat - 5 May 2011

it is a prosperous area… that is a cheap concrete slab house.

I forget where, but I ran into some pics of homes in Abbotobad… it sure looks like the local wealthy norm is a slight variation on classic European villa. WIth the smaller concrete slab a big step down.

Remember NO airconcitioning. Mold. the place was run down.

diane - 5 May 2011

yup, a thick, tangled recluse (Violin Spider) web …woven.

diane - 5 May 2011

I’d imagine $1,000,000 USD (united States Dollars), would amount to something equivalent to Cali’s revered Hearst Mansion, …. in Pakistan.

diane - 5 May 2011

(after all,..there has to be a designated area in Pakistan … to house those $US$ $MIC$ “Muckety Mucks” ..in a style which they’ve become quite accustomed to.)

marisacat - 5 May 2011

well I am happy to bomb San Diego… the surrounds of Tampa St Pete (great medical care at Fort Meyers!) and all the others.

diane - 5 May 2011

the one and only time I visited San Diego …. (what a freeze despite those Disney like clear blue skies and deceptively temperate weather) I was chilled to see a black man, older than myself, seemingly afraid to even look at me as I passed him on the sidewalk ….may as well have been revisiting Carson McCuller’s The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter

(hat tip to my bro …who bought me that book)

marisacat - 5 May 2011

oh I sat once having lunch in downtown San Diego… I used to stop there when I went to Mexico twice a year for five years to buy prescriptions for my mother (400 USD got 1500 worth of scripts, back then, mid 90s… and I watched the border militarise under Clinton)

Anyway, sitting there I was thinking what San Diego reminded me of most, the place was so damned strange… especially butting up against Mexico, in a sense…

Did not take too long to “get it”: The Old South. The Deep South.

My mother’s brother lived in Macon GA, with a summer place at the lake in Milledgeville. Which iirc had been the capital of Georgia thru most of the 1800s, until after the Civil War… Yes Looking at Wiki, it was…

Oh here is a ticbit… that is timely, as we used the Carl Vinson to transport the Usama remains… (btw, I just read that supposedly the jihadis are already calling the Norhtern Arabian Sea: Martyr’s Sea)

U.S. Congressman Carl Vinson represented his hometown of Milledgeville and central Georgia for fifty years (1914–65).

diane - 5 May 2011

yeah, The USS Carl Vinson ….USS Enterprise …etc., docked in San Diego ….

marisacat - 5 May 2011

Yes and both come thru SF with some regularity…

diane - 5 May 2011

(of course, making speshul vists to DIFI and DIck’s speshul town, on Fleet Week … sigh …love you hon,…gotta run…)

9. marisacat - 5 May 2011

Profit vs Loss… 😆 And a critical English look at how we screwed up the California university, college and community college system. We sure did!

Welcome to the privatised public university

In August 2009, just one month after the state of California cut over a billion dollars from its higher education budget, the University of California (UC) lent the state $200 million (Asimov, 2009). When journalists asked the UC president, Mark Yudof [one of the bigger, overpaid duds on earth! – Mcat], how the university could lend millions of dollars to the state while the school was raising student tuition fees 32 per cent, furloughing employees, cancelling classes, and laying off teachers,

Yudof responded that when the university lends money to the state, it turns a profit, but when it spends money on salaries for teachers, the money is lost.

Welcome to the university as hedge fund. In this strange new world, institutions of higher learning care more about interest rates than educational quality. In fact, Harvard cared so much about reducing the cost of borrowing money that it made several expensive credit default swaps, which resulted in the loss of hundreds of millions of dollars and the halting of an ambitious expansion plan (Groll, 2010). Not only did Harvard gamble on interest rates to support future construction plans, but it moved much of its endowment into high risk investments, and the result is that the world’s wealthiest education institution is now claiming poverty. . . . . .

I read the other day that the FBI, the Federales!, swooped down on an Amish farmer who was selling raw milk locally… meanwhile! :

Like Harvard, the University of California was seduced by the Yale endowment manager, David Swenson, who inspired universities throughout the United States to shift their investments from secure bonds and treasury notes to volatile equities. At first, schools showed high rates of return in their investment and pension portfolios, but when these investments turned south, the universities lost billions of dollars of savings (Humphreys, 2010). In fact, the UC lost over $23 billion dollars in its combined pension and endowment funds, and this loss will take years to recover. . . . .

It may or may not be fraud (people enter into schemes all the time that lose them their money) but it most certainly is fiduciary malfeasance.

And, that old bugaboo most often applied to the poor:


diane - 5 May 2011

oh don’t worry hon! .. Jerry the Moon Beam, ‘n speshul wifie, will Save Us! (yeah hon,….not a fuckin dimes worth of difference …all one big PARTAY! … DIFI, DICKIE, NANofMD, AHNOLD, PUKESTER …etc. all in giggley attendendance …)

gotta run ….

10. catnip - 5 May 2011

Jay Carney is floundering under pressure, say Washington insiders

Carneyflounder! Would you like some dessert with that?

marisacat - 5 May 2011

He’s doing REALLY badly, from what I have seen.

CarneyFlounder! Good one!!!

marisacat - 5 May 2011

Good they should. Somebody should and I sure don’t care if it is a conservtive group…

11. catnip - 5 May 2011
ts - 5 May 2011

Oh and this was a lovely coupla grafs:

Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists’ Project on Government Secrecy, said he believes the photos will be eventually released to the public.

“As a matter of policy, I favor the fullest possible disclosure of official records. On the other hand, I have no interest at all in examining photos of the corpse. In the absence of specific legislation, like the 2009 bill to exempt detainee photos, I believe that release of the [bin Laden] photos is supported by law and policy,” Aftergood said, referring to legislation that blocked the release under FOIA of photos of alleged prisoner abuse by American soldiers.

Nevertheless, Aftergood said he will not request the bin Laden photos since they could have bigger implications for America’s interests in the region.

“I will not be the one requesting them,” Aftergood said. “I think there are bigger issues at stake here than freedom of information, including the future of the war in Afghanistan and U.S.-Pakistan relations.”

marisacat - 5 May 2011

“I think there are bigger issues at stake here than freedom of information, including the future of the war in Afghanistan and U.S.-Pakistan relations.”

😆 Good little imperialist. Aftergood, perfect name for him. Or, I’ll be good later…

12. marisacat - 5 May 2011



…….. 😯 … 🙄

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