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Fire 9 August 2011

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, UK, WAR!.

A woman leaps from a burning building into the arms of police officers in Surrey Street, Croydon Photograph: Amy Weston




1. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2011

Thanks so much for the link in the last thread to the interview w/ Darcus Howe.

Ganjafied Gabacho - 9 August 2011

No hay pedo vato loco, and a tam-brero tip back at you for the name. I had noticed it when I watched the vid but didn’t realize that Darcus Howe was such epochal figure in the struggle so I didn’t look it up. Didn’t know nothing ’bout no british black panthers, but now I know a very, very little…

Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2011

I’d heard his name once or twice, but didn’t know much about him either until the link you posted sent me looking.

Interesting that the BBC interview is already up on the Wiki page.

Ganjafied Gabacho - 9 August 2011

It is interesting about the wiki page, and there is some dispute over it…I think there must be strong push back against Mr. Howe’s eloquence and I suspect him might have enough cultural cache to really disturb torries and labour’s teeth on edge…but I’m really speculatin’ above my ken

Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2011

That’s a trick I heard on several reports when someone tries to talk about police tactics and some of the other history, to immediately ask the “so you condone …” line of bullshit. The city politicians are saying it a lot too. He had the best response to it I heard.

marisacat - 9 August 2011

“so you condone …” line of bullshit.

The Only Liberal (on the local talk radio) is a doing a show on the UK riots… and I knew the blowback on the phones would be bad… and she just got a very ugly call on that very twist of the deal… Very poisonous, full of accusation…

ts - 9 August 2011

The thing I found most offensive was the things people saw with their own eyes, the guy was shot in the head by the police, the discussion he had with his son about being searched more times than he could count, and her first response was to dismiss these things and wait for a police inquiry to say what really happened.

marisacat - 9 August 2011

You mean Duggan? Some are saying shot in the head, but current police info says … shot in torso I think… No matter what he did not shoot at all. In any direction nor at anyone…

BTW, lenin has post after post after post http://www.leninology.blogspot.com

…. the snip below is from a cut he has up of an inteview Al Jazeera had iwth him:

Seymour also explained that after many of the 333 deaths in police custody between 1998 and 2010 in Britain, “Large, peaceful protests in response [to the in-custody deaths] were more or less ignored” and not a single officer has been prosecuted.

Ganjafied Gabacho - 9 August 2011

she was so condescending throughout but what made me livid was just after her dissembling dismissal about the Duggan murder and his grandson’s harrasment experiences when she became outright insulting and slyly said that he was “no stranger to riots” towards end of the interview.

Howe’s response was brilliant; righteous in such a true and humble way the empty hairdo interrogating him was completely outmatched and looked like a defective tool…

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2011

also thanks for the good link to the Hal Austin piece about the London Uprising.

This paragraph leapt out at me, as these are the exact same statements you hear/read here in MKE after some of our recent incidents of “black mobs” (which seem to always turn out to be nothing of the sort):

The society has chosen to explain away this appalling treatment as a failure of black parenting, of peer pressure, of lack of ambition.

marisacat - 9 August 2011

oh that is the big thing here too… Too dumb criminal stupid absent addicted UNGRATEFUL to bring up their children. ON and on it goes..

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2011

Man, too poor to pay fishing fine, sent to jail

Kyle Dewitt spent three days in jail because he was too poor to pay a fishing fine. Last spring, Dewitt was ticketed and fined $215 for fishing smallmouth bass out of season (Dewitt disputes the charge).

But Dewitt, 19 years old with a fiancée and a nine-month-old son, lost his job at a grocery store in 2010 and has been out of work ever since. He couldn’t afford the $215 fine. Instead he offered to pay $100 up front, and repay the rest in a month. But Judge Raymond Voet of Ionia, Mich., refused. The judge sentenced Dewitt to three days in jail.

The American Civil Liberties Union paid to break Dewitt out. Now the group is suing on behalf of Dewitt and four others in Michigan who were jailed because they were too poor to pay misdemeanor fines.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2011

Mysterious Orange Goo ID’ed As Eggs; Alaskan Village Still Worries

The AP reports that the village of Kivalina is “an Inupiat Eskimo community located at the tip of an 8-mile barrier reef on Alaska’s northwest coast. Residents live largely off the land, and many are worried about the effect on the local wildlife and plants from a substance never seen there before.”

Orange-tinted water was reported in areas around Kivalina, as well. And reports that the cloud of eggs might have killed minnows brought new questions over whether the eggs might be toxic, or if the sheer volume of the eggs may have deprived the minnows of oxygen.

In Juneau, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration scientist Jeep Rice said Monday, “It was easy to see cellular structure surrounding the lipid droplet, and to identify this as ‘animal.’ We have determined these are small invertebrate eggs, although we cannot tell which species.”

Ganjafied Gabacho - 9 August 2011

This is a weird story and AP has more on it:

Kivalina residents live largely off the land, and many are worried about the effect on some wildlife and plants from the goo, which turned powdery once it dried — and probably went airborne. Mitchell said some people went berry picking over the weekend, but couldn’t tell if the goo was on the fruit, called salmonberries, which are the same color of the eggs. The caribou are in the region now, but she doesn’t believe the migrating animals pose much risk as a food source.

The eggs were found on at least one roof and in buckets set all over the village to collect rain water. City Councilwoman Frances Douglas said the gooey, slimy substance was widely spread in streaks along the Wulik River and the lagoon, which is a half mile wide and six miles long. Orangey water was reported from as far away as the village of Buckland, southeast of Kivalina.

Douglas estimated the volume of eggs she could see “in excess of a thousand gallons, easily.”

The weather last Wednesday, when the bright substance emerged, only intensified the effect, according to Douglas.

“We had an overcast sky, so it really, really stood out,” she said. “You couldn’t miss it for nothing.”

Even village elders don’t recall anything like it, said Douglas, who has lived all her 44 years in Kivalina. She remembers temperatures were colder in her childhood, gradually rising over the years. She wonders if that has anything to do with the invasion of the eggs.

“With climate change, anything can happen, I guess,” she said.

Put on your tinfoil tam-brero dudes…but maybe its something less fortean and more banal:

Kivalina v. ExxonMobil Corporation, et al. is a lawsuit filed on February 26, 2008 in a United States district court. The suit based on the common law theory of nuisance claims monetary damages from the energy industry for the destruction of Kivalina, Alaska by flooding caused by climate change. The damage estimates made by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the U.S. Government Accountability Office are placed between $95 million to $400 million. The suit was dismissed by the United States district court on September 30, 2009 on the grounds that regulating greenhouse emissions was a political rather than a legal issue and one that needed to be resolved by Congress and the Administration rather than by courts.[1] An appeal was filed with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in November 2009.

Kivalina v. ExxonMovil

5. Ganjafied Gabacho - 9 August 2011

Meet some of your new Kommisars

marisacat - 9 August 2011

Baucus… who they had to end up hiding during the long protracted mess of so called health care. He managed to spit up gibberish any time a TV camera was near by. Real nonsensical rambles.

And here he is, foot on all our necks. And the others.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2011

Got this link via Crooks & Liars: Democracy Now:

Texas Gov. Rick Perry Leads Controversial Prayer Rally

Texas Gov. Rick Perry led 30,000 people in prayer at a controversial rally in Houston this weekend titled “The Response: A Call to Prayer for a Nation in Crisis.” The seven-hour gathering was designed by Perry and sponsored in part by the American Family Association, which opposes same-sex marriage and has condemned Muslims. The event, which drew 30,000 participants, was also backed by the International House of Prayer, whose evangelical founder argues Oprah Winfrey is a Satanic religious leader. Though billed as an apolitical day of prayer for a nation in crisis, the response was filled with calls for an end to abortion and gave Perry the opportunity to appeal to Christian conservatives. Perry is widely expected to soon announce his candidacy for U.S. president. Critics denounced the gathering for blurring the lines between church and state.

Texas Rally Dwarfed by Back-to-School Event

The Response was dwarfed in comparison to Houston’s first-ever, citywide back-to-school event held just seven miles away on Sunday. An estimated 100,000 people showed up to receive free backpacks, school supplies, uniforms, haircut vouchers, immunizations and fresh produce. The demand for the much-needed supplies was so great officials were forced to shut the event down at 10:00 a.m. and turn people away.

Ganjafied Gabacho - 9 August 2011

I’ll be happy the day they bomb Perry style Conservative Christians having a bake sale to buy school uniforms (and promise rings! LARD have mercy!) for their unfortunate kids while education and everything really required by students (including normal clothing vouchers for children of the indigent/below the median) for their education is paid for completely and with no strings attached…

Damn this some good shit I’m smokin!

7. lucid - 9 August 2011

Madman – you think your state be able to successfully kill the anti-union bill now? There was 1 republican senator that voted against it.

Madman in the Marketplace - 9 August 2011

I don’t know if they’ll be able to bring it back up … hard to say. The local dem party played down some of the collective bargaining stuff during the campaign.

8. ts - 9 August 2011

Arthur Silber just hits homers.

Drew Westen tells us that, “over the last several years,” he has worked “as a messaging consultant to nonprofit groups and Democratic leaders.” In that work, he has “studied the way voters think and feel, talking to them in plain language.”

“A messaging consultant.” Huh. Translation: Westen helps those intent on wealth and power achieve their aims. That is, he sells himself to bloodthirsty, criminal motherfuckers so that they can sell shit to people while pretending it’s prime rib. Some call it “war,” some more accurately describe it as “criminal, aggressive war in service of American global hegemony”; a “messaging consultant” calls it “kinetic military action.” Some call it a deliberate scheme to enrich already hugely wealthy insurance companies; a “messaging consultant” calls it “health care reform,” when health care is the one element notably omitted from the plan. And so on.

The title of Westen’s article is, “What Happened to Obama?” Nothing happened to Obama, Westen. He did exactly what he said he was going to do, if you actually listened to what he said and understood it. And, I have to add, were willing to acknowledge what it meant.

This is the state of political analysis and, in very significant part, of psychology today. Even though it doesn’t surprise me in the least, I have to admit that to see someone proudly announce in the pages of The New York Times that he is “a practicing psychologist with more than 25 years of experience” in conjunction with this kind of article takes my breath away. It also makes me grieve for anyone who is unfortunate enough to see Westen professionally (and pay him for the privilege) or to be taught by him.

Westen would be better advised to set aside the pathetically misleading question in the title of his article (which I grant Westen himself might not have chosen, although it accurately reflects his perspective), and consider these questions instead:

What the hell is wrong with me, and with all those other people who made the same terrible error I did?

Why was I so willingly enthusiastic to believe all the lies?

And why am I still so resistant to admitting the truth?

In a radically different culture, I might suggest that Westen seek professional help in trying to find the answers, perhaps from a…psychologist. But — oh, well. In any case, I’m sure Westen would prefer not to do that, especially if it promised to help him arrive at accurate answers.

I thought of this when I was watching that interview with Darcus Howe, because I was thinking…”Lord, that news anchor is so determined to get her preordained answer that she hasn’t listened to a word he’s said.” No wonder he ended up asking her to have some freaking respect fer Chrissake.

marisacat - 9 August 2011

I think the opinion piece he references is that long hand wring that was in the NYT… I struggled ot the end of it. geesh.

what happened to Obama? Like he was FUCKING MUGGED or soemthing.

The thing is he is doing exactly what he did when elevated at the HLR… .the Liberals thought that perhaps there might be a chance for them now, to shine a bit. LOL… he elevated the Baby Federalists… Cassandra Butts, who was there, has gone on the record… way back (even tho she got a second tier job at DoJ) but not sure who esle has….

9. Ganjafied Gabacho - 10 August 2011

There is a old Jewish saying that goes something like “if you see smoke in your neighborhood, don’t pray that it is your neighbor’s house that is on fire,” but I ain’t Jewish and I did’t pray for it, so I think I came derive some schadenfreude:

Obama’s Vineyard retreat hit by small fire

oh dear, I do hope they get that cleaned up so that Oobsters’ don’t miss their upcoming trip…I mean, if they don’t go how will our Feckless Mountebank in Chief be ripped in the media for jet skiing while the one of the endless Crisis or War founders deeper?

10. BooHooHooMan - 10 August 2011
Ganjafied Gabacho - 10 August 2011

I’m starting to wonder if the Dow is going to look like it did in the immediate aftermath of 911…BTW I heard Apple surpassed ExxonMobil as the most valuable company…

marisacat - 10 August 2011

So Ed Bernanke did not save us…. 😆

I woke up to the local news woman saying, oh I see we are UP 155… OH NO, with my glasses the market is OFF 455.

😆 as if any one can tell what it is doing. It’s flipping and flopping like a fish on the dock.


BooHooHooMan - 10 August 2011

YES! No! OHHHHNO! Yes?? 😆


marisacat - 10 August 2011

Soon to be heard:

DOWN IS REALLY UP! Esp when Obama plays his chess on Mars, Saturn and Pluto all at once!

Ganjafied Gabacho - 10 August 2011

Its funny you mention outer space, because that’s whereHope® was just Found

marisacat - 10 August 2011

We’re Americans!!!!… NO MAN left behind on the Great Battlefields… we will be going and picking it up! UP! UP!


I did think those little (or bigger, like Voyagers) automated rototic mission were pretty wonderful…

(ONLY DOWN 372! and remember, Down is UP!!)

Ganjafied Gabacho - 10 August 2011

…robotic missions were pretty wonderful

Some of the greatest shit that we (U.S.) have done, IMO.

BTW for the closet para-pols out there Jet Propulsion Lab (does telemtry for NASA) in Pasadena was founded by Jack Parsons, scientist and “bosom” friend with Alesiter Crowley and L Ron Hubbard…

11. Ganjafied Gabacho - 10 August 2011

Military killed Taliban who downed US helicopter

Whooohooo! We’re Winning Again!


BooHooHooMan - 10 August 2011

Down! Up! We’re Winning! YES?! OHHHHH!

Allocate Life Savings Accordingly!
Invest in a Warring Faction Today!

Save Commissions! Buy shares Direct!
Now with Investor Power Tools available!.
Own your very own BlackHawk!
Trade – FIRE that is – Just like a PRO!

Ganjafied Gabacho - 10 August 2011

NO SIR, NO BlackHawk, that’s what got us into this mess.

Smaller, leaner, more efficient is the New, New 21st Century Business Model…I’m buying myself Micro-Drones with all the Gold I’ve been buying with my Heroin/Cocaine laundered loot from Mexiraqistan.

Get with it BHHM; it’s the Americas Brightest Days are Ahead

marisacat - 10 August 2011

Some of them are pretty darling looking, from the pix that have been cropping up. (UP!!)

Ganjafied Gabacho - 10 August 2011


Si, chulo como un un Coralito

marisacat - 10 August 2011

well visually some of them are… aside from what they DO. Whihc is of course to go UP (see? UP! UP! UP! … 😆 )

In terms of the robotics.. I particularly remember the Mars explorer, Sojourner… it was fabulous… via Cspan I watched what they piped into the schools, they had a wonderful woman doing the exposition and “talk”… it was so wonderful…

Ganjafied Gabacho - 10 August 2011

ya it was some cool stuff…I’m still hopeful we’ll find at least some kind of martian (or maybe Titan) life (microscopic) to stick in the creationists craw….

marisacat - 10 August 2011

The marks possibly left by water seems wonderful, no matter what, on Mars…

12. marisacat - 10 August 2011

R picked Hensarling (to be co chair), Camp and Upton.

Camp … nothing comes to mind. But Hensarling is so awful.


13. marisacat - 10 August 2011

Wells Fargo down 5.5%

But remember, DOWN is UP!!!!!!

BooHooHooMan - 10 August 2011
marisacat - 10 August 2011

I just heard on France 24 that several French banks down (er, UP!!) between 10 and 20%… but they have been told, no fear of losing Triple AAA rating!

Kind of interesting how it works, isn’t it?

I heard last night that on Page 4 of the S&P downgrade they specifically single out the R intrasigence on revenue raising.

So kind of them! UP!! UP!!! UP!! UP!! and away!!!!!!!!!!

BooHooHooMan - 10 August 2011

😆 Welp,. Grab the lines! Plenty!
UP!! UP!! and away!!!!!!!!!!

Taking Derivatives Desks With them.
Oh ah, CitiGroup, for instance

{Beware of falling UpChuck, grounds-crew!}😆

Down 23% in the last 5 days. 😯 It’s Offical now.

PANIC, everyone! 😆

BooHooHooMan - 10 August 2011

But yaknow, Progress! Why heck,
that 23% loss in the 5 day only being down 37% or the year!

Oh and just like Bank of New York Mellon, I think they ALL should now start charging for cash deposits. I mean, just the costs of preventing employees from running off with them must be considered!

14. BooHooHooMan - 10 August 2011

Alec Baldwin to Pursue Master’s Degree In Political Science.

This is not a joke. Or a drill.
NOT a Drill or a joke, people.
Try to hang on! LOL,

Ganjafied Gabacho - 10 August 2011

Baldwin 2016?

I’m not laughing.

15. BooHooHooMan - 10 August 2011

Time for a new Holiday. A National WhatTHEEee-Fuck… Holiday.
Either that or some Historic joint announcement,
I’m thinkin Ob, Bernanke and Geithner behind a NASA spokesman pleased to announce an inadvertent scientific oversight all these years, noting the discovery of a small, well positioned planet right behind the moon, flush with cash AND READY TO LOAN!

marisacat - 10 August 2011

And strangely enough it turns out to be where Ob was born!!!!. 😆

I mean, we are deep into fantastical land these days. Who knows anymore. He’s a Moonie!! A real one, from the moon of the moon.

Hey, by now it almost sounds … N O R M A L

16. marisacat - 10 August 2011

Arthur Silber sent this link to me… it may be the same that ts posted yesterday, but here goes, either way…


17. lucid - 10 August 2011

The beard is apparently retiring for the time being…

Ganjafied Gabacho - 10 August 2011

He (blessed be his Orangey Kos-ness)has done more to create the left political blogosphere than anyone. Starting with a single computer and a handful of commenters, he created a platform unlike any other. Soon there were many imitators. Unlike so many of the thin-skinned operators elsewhere, he gave free rein to discussions, governing the conversation with only a few rules, even when that conversation included ferocious insults to him and his efforts.

That my friends is why he gets the big bucks as professional dissembler/ FBI informant…

marisacat - 10 August 2011

oh FFS:

…he gave free rein to discussions, governing the conversation with only a few rules, even when that conversation included ferocious insults to him and his efforts.

18. marisacat - 10 August 2011



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