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Taking a ride 1 October 2011

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Occupy Wall Street.

A four-day-old African spurred tortoise sits on the head of its mother in their enclosure in Nyiregyhaza Animal Park in Nyiregyhaza, Hungary
A four-day-old African spurred tortoise sits on the head of its mother in their enclosure in Nyiregyhaza Animal Park in Nyiregyhaza, Hungary   [EPA/Attila Balazs]

I see OWS moved toward the Brooklyn Bridge… and there were more arrests..

AP (at Forbes) says “dozens”, NYT says “hundreds” arrested…

Associated Press

Wall Street protest shuts half of Brooklyn Bridge

By COLLEEN LONG , 10.01.11, 06:00 PM EDT

NEW YORK — The Brooklyn Bridge has been shut down in one direction after protesters camped out near Wall Street spilled onto the roadway.

Police have made dozens of arrests and were continuing to stop people illegally blocking the roadway Saturday evening.

Demonstrators are railing against corporate greed, global warming and social inequality, among other grievances.

The group has been camped near the Financial District for two weeks and clashed with police on earlier occasions. A Friday march to police headquarters was peaceful.

Earlier Saturday, two other marches went over the bridge without problems. One was from Brooklyn to Manhattan by a group opposed to genetically modified food. Another in the opposite direction marched against poverty.

full text.


Madman posted these at the end of the last thread, moving them forward:

United Steelworkers union, North America’s largest, joins Occupy Wall Street

“[The USW] stands in solidarity with and strongly supports Occupy Wall Street. The brave men and women, many of them young people without jobs, who have been demonstrating around-the-clock for nearly two weeks in New York City are speaking out for the many in our world.”

And this too:

Hot Off the Press: The Occupied Wall Street Journal

A reported 100,000 copies of The Occupied Wall Street Journal have just arrived. The young occupiers are busy handing out the four page broadsheet to curious passersby and the protest tourists, who linger on the outskirts of Zuccotti Park, snapping photos of signs and the occasional blue-haired hippie.

“The Revolution Begins at Home” reads a headline. “Learning from the World” reads another piece about Americans taking lessons from the spontaneous Arab Spring. In anticipation of an Oct 5th student walkouts and union marches, a caption reads, “New York Unites!”

The rained on, camping crowd of about 200 has swelled to a respectable 400–or so–with a march planned for 3 pm, which is said will attract more



1. marisacat - 1 October 2011

Reutrs WSJ NYT others all saying “400 arrested”…. gee earlier they were claiming there were ONLY 400 around.

Madman in the Marketplace - 1 October 2011

the media seems to increasingly have problems keeping straight how dismissive they’re supposed to be.

marisacat - 1 October 2011

It is so hard doing fake counting!

diane - 1 October 2011

a report from New Zealand … (yup, given what looks to be a way overloaded sidewalk to the left of the prefacing piccy, I’d say there were far more than 400 in that march … ;0o ……:0) …. ;0) …..):

LATEST: Police have reopened New York’s Brooklyn Bridge after about 500 anti-Wall Street protesters were arrested for blocking traffic lanes and attempting an unauthorised march across the span.

The arrests took place when a large group of marchers, participating in a second week of protests by the Occupy Wall Street movement, broke off from others on the bridge’s pedestrian walkway and headed across the Brooklyn-bound lanes. [and who will be the first major asshole to blame them for ‘crossing that boundary,’ when we (the 999999%) are all being rolled over (so many have been, … for entire lifetimes …generations even …) like nobody’s fuckin business, just trying to keep our heads above water? – diane]

“Approximately 400 were arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge late this afternoon after multiple warnings by police were given to protesters to stay on the pedestrian walkway,” a police spokesman said.

“Some complied and took the walkway without being arrested. Others locked arms and proceeded on the Brooklyn-bound vehicular roadway. The latter were arrested,” he added.

2. ts - 1 October 2011

Just meandering through US history, remembering one of the last times there was a major public protest of this nature: The Bonus Army of 1932.

Lots of interesting tidbits. To wit:

In 1781, most of the Continental Army was demobilized without pay. Two years later hundreds of Pennsylvania war veterans marched on Philadelphia, then the capital, surrounded the State House where the U.S. Congress was in session, and demanded their pay. Congress fled to Princeton, New Jersey, and several weeks later, the U.S. Army expelled the war veterans from the national capital. In response to that experience, the federal district directly governed by the U.S. Congress, Washington, D.C., was excluded from the restrictions of the Posse Comitatus Act which forbade the use of the U.S. military for domestic police activity.

The army mobilized:

On June 15, the House of Representatives passed the Wright Patman Bonus Bill which would have moved forward the date for World War I veterans to receive their cash bonus.

Most of the Bonus Army camped in a Hooverville on the Anacostia Flats, a swampy, muddy area across the Anacostia River from the federal core of Washington, just south of the 11th Street Bridges (now Section C of Anacostia Park). The camps, built from materials scavenged from a nearby rubbish dump, were tightly controlled by the veterans who laid out streets, built sanitation facilities, and held daily parades. To live in the camps, veterans were required to register and prove they had been honorably discharged.

The Bonus Army massed at the United States Capitol on June 17 as the U.S. Senate defeated the Bonus Bill by a vote of 62-18.

There was a shooting, where two marchers were killed by police, and then Hoover had the army drive the former soldiers out of DC.

At 4:45 p.m., commanded by Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the 12th Infantry Regiment, Fort Howard, Maryland, and the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, supported by six battle tanks commanded by Maj. George S. Patton, formed in Pennsylvania Avenue while thousands of civil service employees left work to line the street and watch. The Bonus Marchers, believing the troops were marching in their honor, cheered the troops until Patton ordered the cavalry to charge them—an action which prompted the spectators to yell, “Shame! Shame!”

Shacks that members of the Bonus Army erected on the Anacostia Flats burning after the confrontation with the military.
After the cavalry charged, the infantry, with fixed bayonets and adamsite gas, an arsenical vomiting agent, entered the camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers. The veterans fled across the Anacostia River to their largest camp and President Hoover ordered the assault stopped. However Gen. MacArthur, feeling the Bonus March was a Communist attempt to overthrow the U.S. government, ignored the President and ordered a new attack. Fifty-five veterans were injured and 135 arrested. A veteran’s wife miscarried. When 12-week-old Bernard Myers died in the hospital after being caught in the tear gas attack, a government investigation reported he died of enteritis, while a hospital spokesman said the tear gas “didn’t do it any good.”

During the military operation, Major Dwight D. Eisenhower, later President of the United States, served as one of MacArthur’s junior aides. Believing it wrong for the Army’s highest-ranking officer to lead an action against fellow American war veterans, he strongly advised MacArthur against taking any public role: “I told that dumb son-of-a-bitch not to go down there,” he said later. “I told him it was no place for the Chief of Staff.” Despite his misgivings, Eisenhower later wrote the Army’s official incident report which endorsed MacArthur’s conduct.

So anyway…Roosevelt to the rescue, right? Ummm, not quite.

The Bonus Army incident proved disastrous for Hoover’s chances at re-election; he lost the 1932 election in a landslide to Franklin D. Roosevelt.

During the presidential campaign of 1932, Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed the veterans’ bonus demands. When they organized a second demonstration in May 1933, he provided the marchers with a campsite in Virginia and provided them 3 meals a day. Administration officials, led by presidential confidant Louis Howe, tried to negotiate an end to the protest. Roosevelt arranged for his wife Eleanor to visit the site unaccompanied. She lunched with the veterans and listened to them perform songs. She reminisced about her memories of seeing troops off to World War I and welcoming them home. The most she could offer was a promise of positions in the newly created Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC). One veteran commented: “Hoover sent the army, Roosevelt sent his wife.” In a press conference following her visit, the First Lady described her reception as courteous and praised the marchers, highlighting how comfortable she felt despite critics of the marchers who described them as Communists and criminals.

Roosevelt later issued an executive order allowing the enrollment of 25,000 veterans in the CCC, exempting them from the normal requirement that applicants be unmarried and under the age of 25. Congress, where Democrats held majorities in both houses, passed the Adjusted Compensation Payment Act in 1936 authorizing the immediate payment of the $2 billion in WWI bonuses over the President’s veto. The House vote was 324 to 61, and the Senate vote was 76 to 19.

From a different article…on the bonus payment act…

The cash payments constituted an efficient economic stimulus, since the program required little government administration, the monies were likely to be spent without delay, and the entire process did not require the long lead time of a public works program.

marisacat - 1 October 2011

Rght! The Bonus Marchers….

3. marisacat - 1 October 2011

hmm BI has some reporting/commentary from people who were on the Brooklyn Brige…

[I]t turns out, most of the people caught between the nets on the bridge (some did make it to Brooklyn, others turned back before the corralling started), did get arrested, though she said that she and a friend were allowed to leave, while their male friend was forced to stay behind.

In fact a totally separate protester said the same thing: Almost all fo the arrested were male.

That protester told a similar story: Kind of an accidental move to the roadway that the cops at first seemed to be cool with (since cars were also getting past the protesters) only to conclude with the nets coming out. He (his name was Josh) actually slipped out of the nets when a cop was looking the other way.

In the meantime, protesters believe the arrested are being held at 5 different jails (3 in Manhattan, 2 in Brooklyn) and they’re sending people to each jail to wait for everyone to make bail.

Read more: Link to Business Insider

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 October 2011

here’s another report from the Wisconsinites who’ve been tweeting from NYC: tweets and facebook updates from Arthur and Jenna, Wisconsinites on Wall Street.

Arthur of SSWIDTMS:
-Marching over the Brooklyn bridge. Some marchers are trying to take the street.
-They took the street!
-This is the coolest thing ever!
-They are arresting everyone on the bridge. This will take a while.-minutes ago
-They are removing everyone from the pedestrian walkway of the bridge.

Jenna [tweeting as @BatmanWI]

People are gathering for the 3pm. I’m carrying a sign that says “solidarity from Wisconsin” #occupywallstreet #wiunion

We’re marching on the street of the brooklyn bridge! Not the walkway. Woot! #occupywallstreet #wiunion

We’re trapped. Not letting us off. ppl getting arrested. We’re asking them to let us walk off peacefully. #occupywallstreet #wiunion

Chanting “let us go”. Cops making ppl on foot bridge get off the bridge

the post includes pics that they two took from the bridge.

marisacat - 1 October 2011

From another post at BI, they link bck to Weigel…. at Slate (and others)

There have been some tweets to the effect that protesters felt that they were somehow snookered by policy into a situation where they would be arrested.

From Slate’s Dave Weigel: “Protesters claim police corralled them off the pedestrian part of Bridge, onto road, where they would be breaking law.” . . .

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 October 2011
6. marisacat - 1 October 2011

AP now saying 700 arrested.

diane - 1 October 2011

yeah, …this from cityroom blogs/NYT (no firewall on it):

Police Arrest More Than 700 Protesters on Brooklyn Bridge

Updated, 11:55 p.m. | In a tense showdown above the East River, the police arrested more than 700 demonstrators from the Occupy Wall Street protests who took to the roadway as they tried to cross the Brooklyn Bridge on Saturday afternoon.

The police did not immediately release precise arrest figures, but said it was the choice of those marchers that led to the swift enforcement.

“Protesters who used the Brooklyn Bridge walkway were not arrested,” said the head police spokesman, Paul J. Browne. “Those who took over the Brooklyn-bound roadway, and impeded vehicle traffic, were arrested.”

But many protesters said that they thought the police had tricked and trapped them, allowing them onto the bridge and even escorting them across, only to surround them in orange netting after hundreds of them had entered.

“The cops watched and did nothing, indeed, seemed to guide us onto the roadway,” said Jesse A. Myerson, a media coordinator for Occupy Wall Street who was in the march but was not arrested.

Things came to a head shortly after 4 p.m., as the 1,500 or so marchers reached the foot of the Brooklyn-bound car lanes of the bridge, just east of City Hall.

diane - 1 October 2011

Earlier in the afternoon, as many as 10 Department of Correction buses, big enough to hold 20 prisoners apiece, had been dispatched from Rikers Island in what one law enforcement official said was “a planned move on the protesters.”

Etan Ben-Ami, 56, a psychotherapist from Brooklyn who was up on the walkway, said that the police seemed to make a conscious decision to allow the protesters to claim the road. “They weren’t pushed back,” he said. “It seemed that they moved at the same time.”

Mr. Ben-Ami said he left the walkway and joined the crowd on the road. “It seemed completely permitted,” he said. “There wasn’t a single policeman saying ‘don’t do this’.”

He added: “We thought they were escorting us because they wanted us to be safe.” He left the bridge when he saw officers unrolling the nets as they prepared to make arrests. Many others who had been on the roadway were allowed to walk back down to Manhattan.

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 October 2011

Gothamist post on Brooklyn Bridge arrests, including that a NYT reporter was swept up with it. Lots of pics.

marisacat - 1 October 2011

oh! i am seeing vid on local news of the protestors in Zuccotti THROWING RANGEL OUT… he tried to make some damn fool long gone out of fcuking date speech about “taking OUR country back”. They told him he didn’t belong there, they did not want him and he should go.


Madman in the Marketplace - 1 October 2011

oh, good for them!

8. ts - 1 October 2011

Okay, so I knuckled under and started a blog. I figure if a few people read it, I’ll be motivated to post something every day. It will probably be mostly about economics. I don’t know if it will be entertaining. I just kind of mumbled something on activism versus protest since OWS seems to be gaining momentum.

marisacat - 1 October 2011

Oh thanks for letting us know… I will put it on the blog rolll… (whcih seriously needs some cleaning up!)

marisacat - 1 October 2011

I meant to add, feel free to link to your blog and posts excerpts, anytime you wish…..

diane - 2 October 2011

You can count me as one of your audience hon (though I won’t be posting as I have a total aversion to ‘registering’ anywhere and It doesn’t look like blogspot allows a non-registered post).

marisacat - 2 October 2011

you can use whatever you log in here with… when I commented I clicked on my wordpress log in.

9. marisacat - 1 October 2011

Angry Arab….

`Awlaki and Salih

So US killed `Awlaki. I read the statement by the US government: it is unmistakable in expressing gratitude to the forces of `Ali `Abdullah Salih. It all but paid tribute to the Salih regime. It is certain that Salih delivered `Awlaki in return for continued US support. The Yemeni regime is killing around 30 people a day, and the US government yesterday issued a statement criticizing repression in…Iran. I kid you not.

Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil at 8:48 AM

ts - 1 October 2011

He’s had a bunch of good stuff up (not surprising when you can put up 10-15 posts an hour!)


The notion that only regime goons hate US officials is a symptom of arrogance of big power. In fact, I was expecting the US government to maintain that the tomato attack on the convoy has the hallmark of Al-Qa`idah and that the perpetrators would be attacked form the air by drones. That would not surprise me one bit.

10. marisacat - 2 October 2011

Jonathan Turley in the LA TImes on Obby and Civil Liberties… it published on the 29th, a day before the Awlaki action.. he does, in the litany of sins, refer to Obama having baldly stated we have the right to take out the likes of Awkaki….

[B]ut perhaps the biggest blow to civil liberties is what he has done to the movement itself. It has quieted to a whisper, muted by the power of Obama’s personality and his symbolic importance as the first black president as well as the liberal who replaced Bush. Indeed, only a few days after he took office, the Nobel committee awarded him the Nobel Peace Prize without his having a single accomplishment to his credit beyond being elected. Many Democrats were, and remain, enraptured.

It’s almost a classic case of the Stockholm syndrome, in which a hostage bonds with his captor despite the obvious threat to his existence. Even though many Democrats admit in private that they are shocked by Obama’s position on civil liberties, they are incapable of opposing him. Some insist that they are simply motivated by realism: A Republican would be worse. However, realism alone cannot explain the utter absence of a push for an alternative Democratic candidate or organized opposition to Obama’s policies on civil liberties in Congress during his term. It looks more like a cult of personality. Obama’s policies have become secondary to his persona. . . . . .

So glad i never fell for his wretched con.

11. marisacat - 2 October 2011

Make room under the bus(es) for Secretary Chu….

Couple of Clinton admin veterans with quotes that sound like the big push out the window… Deeeeefenestration!

12. jam.fuse - 2 October 2011

Brooklyn Bridge footage

Watch as NYC cops arrest a twelve year old girl, among others…

13. jam.fuse - 2 October 2011

Streaming video

Occupy Together

apologies if these links are redundant

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 October 2011
marisacat - 2 October 2011

oh I am having a TERRIBLE time with the site. When it finally loaded I see why….. new format on comments… I have no idea how long it took to load (and it is in trouble, anyway, unreadable, frozen) as for the umpteenth try I fell asleep during it….

I hope Lambert cleans up the code, or whatever it takes… the site is unloadable for me.

diane - 2 October 2011

ditto, I tried ‘disenabling’ download fonts, as it looks like he’s changed the font (and the appearance of hyperlinks?), but it didn’t help. It was already time consuming previously, now it takes forever.

And about the font, it’s attractive, but as interested he seems techie data, I think he missed the part about serifed fonts (such as Georgia or Times New Roman), being far harder on the eyes to read on a computer than non-serifed fonts (like verdana for instance).

diane - 2 October 2011

(I should have noted that it did finally load, and I was able to read it. If there’s something you really want to read there Marisa, you might try disabling Scripting I notice it saves a lot of time on most sites for me (although some sites can’t be read without enabling it, his can though)).

marisacat - 2 October 2011

he has changed the appearance of many aspects of the site…

I will stay away for a while…

Yes verdana is an easy script to scan…

diane - 2 October 2011

I wonder if it’s his “provider” I am so sick of of worthless Change, for change’s sake, I could puke. Seems like everday, code is being tweaked which creates problems for the readers …and of course, I always presume it has to do with yet another ultimate privacy violation on the parts of the few “providers,” with little, if any, net benefit to the 99.999%.

diane - 2 October 2011

oh shit, and did I say I hate fucking html ;0o Yes! … apparently, I am fucking cranky today! ;0o (I meant to end the italics at Change.)

Madman in the Marketplace - 2 October 2011

I had some problems too

marisacat - 2 October 2011

I’ll giv it a few days before I go back there….

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 October 2011

Occupy the Brooklyn Bridge Submitted by MsExPat

My friends and I made it to the Brooklyn side okay–we ended up with about 350 other marchers in Cadman Plaza, a lovely 19th century park. What I didn’t find out until later is that several hundred people behind me also got kettled and barred from going all the way to Brooklyn. So I was among the lucky marchers in the middle.

It started to rain, hard. The group decided–in a “General Assembly”–to march over the Manhattan Bridge back to Zuccotti Park in Manhattan. Since I live in Brooklyn, I decided to come home.

But as I was leaving the park in Brooklyn, an extraordinary thing happened. A policeman called to me. “How’s it going?” he asked. Nonplussed I said, well, okay, thanks. Then I asked him if the police were going to surround the park and arrest us all (this is what we had heard the “white shirts” saying on their radios). He said, “No Way! They won’t arrest you for sure.” [#33]

I asked him if he was Community Affairs, and he said that he was a Lieutenant (a white shirt officer), but had been pressed into service as a CA cop for the day. Then he let loose and let it all come out. He sympathised with the marchers. He had kids, he was worried about their education. About genetically modified food. About the way America was going.

I listened to him, half incredulous, half thrilled. Almost as thrilled as I was, walking across the Brooklyn Bridge, hearing the car horns and the cheers of passing motorists–all of them African American. Some hung out of the window, raised fists, cheered.

I have some reservations about what’s going on in Zuccotti Park, and I will write about that tomorrow. But tonight, I’m going to hold tight to the memory of that cop, and those motorists’ cheers.

16. marisacat - 2 October 2011

Oh TOO funny!

Sunday, October 02, 2011

An ill-informed US governor defines an Arab democracy

“For example, a Middle East that is largely democratic and at peace will be a Middle East that accepts Israel, rejects terrorism, and is a dependable source of energy. ” (thanks Rob)

Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil at 8:48 AM

It’s Cris Christie in a speech to the Reagan Foundation! What a hoot!!

17. marisacat - 2 October 2011

And still on our extra judicial execution…

Dictator to US: I will let you kill anyone you want in my country, and you can continue to support me

“Yemeni officials provided more details on Saturday about their role in the tracking and killing of an American-born cleric, while a government spokesman said that the United States should show more appreciation to Yemen’s embattled president for his assistance in the case.”

Confirming what I told you yesterday.

Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil at 8:21 AM

AA links back to a NYT report…

diane - 2 October 2011

and just a hop, skip and a jump to assassinations on the Homeland Turf ™. First the Muslim citizens, next the non-white citizens,…then on to the bright white citizens ….From April of this year:

Lobbying Report: Drones Fly Through Congress to Enter US Skies

Saturday 16 April 2011

I became aware of the pro-drone legislation from a February 10, 2011, Syracuse Post Standard report that Sen. Charles Schumer (D-New York) was supporting an amendment to the pending Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) reauthorization bill (S. 223) that would create test zones for the introduction of drones into general airspace.

Congresswoman Miller’s remarks in support of her amendment, which was approved by a voice vote, focused on the use of drones for law enforcement and border security:

“My amendment is designed to help expedite and to improve the process by which FAA works with government agencies to incorporate unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs [DRONES – diane] as they’re commonly called, into the National Airspace System. Currently, Mr. Chairman, law enforcement agencies across the country, from Customs and Border Protection to local police departments, et cetera, are ready to embrace the new technology and to start utilizing UAVs [DRONES – diane] in the pursuit of enforcing the law and protecting our border as well.

“However, the FAA has been very hesitant to give authorization to these UAVs [DRONES – diane] due to limited air space and restrictions that they have. I certainly can appreciate those concerns; but when we’re talking about Customs and Border Protection or the FBI, what have you, we are talking about missions of national security. And certainly there’s nothing more important than that. It was a very, very lengthy exercise to get the FAA to authorize the use of UAVs on the southern border. While they’re finally being utilized down there, we are certainly a long way from fully utilizing these technologies.”

After the pro-drone amendments passed the House, Rep. Howard P. “Buck” McKeon (R-California) chair of the Congressional drone caucus, released a statement saying that the House FAA bill “promotes the safe integration of unmanned systems into national airspace. Carefully integrating these systems by 2015 will improve our border defenses, public safety and emergency response systems.


I was amazed and sickened that Nader didn’t mention how close we are to this in his recent piece.

marisacat - 2 October 2011

nader fully hedges. I think a good portion of his mind is scrambled or he has checked out.

You know they want to use drones over ghettoised, whether by color or poverty, areas… over the areas where they want full restrictions on movement and congregation.

I htink questions being raised on whether Americans still have right of assembly are absolutely on target…

diane - 2 October 2011

You know they want to use drones over ghettoised, whether by color or poverty, areas… over the areas where they want full restrictions on movement and congregation.

oh yes, ‘my personal arresting officer,’ in the Mehserle verdict protest, who appeared to be Chinese Amercican, and embarassed by the snare that had been layed, thoughtfully heard me out silently when I suggested that him and the other hundreds of officers in riot gear would very soon …be totally replaced by DRONES. He also, sweetly pulled my sweatshirt cuffs under the non adjustable, way too tight ziplock cuffs

marisacat - 2 October 2011

This goes with that [moiv sent me the link to hr 1505]

diane - 3 October 2011

I wasn’t able to read anthing other than comments at the link (might be old browser issues), so I found this, ugh:

PROVINCETOWN — A bill proposing to give the Dept. of Homeland Security ultimate control over federal lands located along maritime and international borders, including Cape Cod National Seashore, is making its rounds in the U.S. House of Representatives.

HR Bill 1505, the “National Security and Federal Lands Protection Act,” would force the Secretary of the Interior to cede authority of coastal public lands, as well as lands located along the borders of Canada and Mexico, to the Secretary of Homeland Security when the latter sees fit. It would give the Dept. of Homeland Security the ability to construct roads and fences, deploy patrol vehicles and set up “monitoring equipment” in the National Seashore with impunity. And it would waive the need for the Dept. of Homeland Security to comply with environmental laws in areas within 100 miles of a coastline or international border.

The laws from which the Dept. of Homeland Security would be exempt include the National Environmental Policy Act, the Endangered Species Act, the National Historic Preservation Act, the Clean Air Act, the Coastal Zone Management Act, the Federal Water Pollution Control Act, the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, the Safe Drinking Water Act and virtually every other piece of environmental legislation passed by Congress.

And this, which both jibe with the text of the bill at thomas.gov, which can be linked to from this link (hopefully, many of the Thomas urls aren’t linkable, or seem to time out):


(a) In General- The Secretary of the Interior or the Secretary of Agriculture shall not impede, prohibit, or restrict activities of the Secretary of Homeland Security on land under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of the Interior or the Secretary of Agriculture to achieve operational control (as defined in section 2(b) of the Secure Fence Act of 2006 (8 U.S.C. 1701 note; Public Law 109-367)) over the international land and maritime borders of the United States.

(b) Authorized Activities- The Secretary of Homeland Security shall have immediate access to any public land managed by the Federal Government (including land managed by the Secretary of the Interior or the Secretary of Agriculture) for purposes of conducting activities that assist in securing the border (including access to maintain and construct roads, construct a fence, use vehicles to patrol, and set up monitoring equipment).

(c) Clarification Relating to Waiver Authority-

(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law (including any termination date relating to the waiver referred to in this subsection), the waiver by the Secretary of Homeland Security on April 1, 2008, under section 102(c)(1) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (8 U.S.C. 1103 note; Public Law 104-208) of the laws described in paragraph (2) with respect to certain sections of the international border between the United States and Mexico and between the United States and Canada shall be considered to apply to all sections of the international land and maritime borders of the United States within 100 miles of the international land and maritime borders of the United States for the activities of the Secretary of Homeland Security described in subsection (b), including the construction of infrastructure, to achieve the operational control described in subsection (a).

(2) DESCRIPTION OF LAWS WAIVED- The laws referred to in paragraph (1) are the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 (42 U.S.C. 4321 et seq.), the Endangered Species Act of 1973 (16 U.S.C. 1531 et seq.), the Federal Water Pollution Control Act (33 U.S.C. 1251 et seq.), the National Historic Preservation Act (16 U.S.C. 470 et seq.), the Migratory Bird Treaty Act (16 U.S.C. 703 et seq.), the Clean Air Act (42 U.S.C. 7401 et seq.), the Archaeological Resources Protection Act of 1979 (16 U.S.C. 470aa et seq.), the Safe Drinking Water Act (42 U.S.C. 300f et seq.), the Noise Control Act of 1972 (42 U.S.C. 4901 et seq.), the Solid Waste Disposal Act (42 U.S.C. 6901 et seq.), the Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act of 1980 (42 U.S.C. 9601 et seq.), Public Law 86-523 (16 U.S.C. 469 et seq.), the Act of June 8, 1906 (commonly known as the `Antiquities Act of 1906′) (16 U.S.C. 431 et seq.), the Act of August 21, 1935 (16 U.S.C. 461 et seq.), the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act (16 U.S.C. 1271 et seq.), the Farmland Protection Policy Act (7 U.S.C. 4201 et seq.), the Coastal Zone Management Act of 1972 (16 U.S.C. 1451 et seq.), the Wilderness Act (16 U.S.C. 1131 et seq.), the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976 (43 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.), the National Wildlife Refuge System Administration Act of 1966 (16 U.S.C. 668dd et seq.), the Fish and Wildlife Act of 1956 (16 U.S.C. 742a et seq.), the Fish and Wildlife Coordination Act (16 U.S.C. 661 et seq.), subchapter II of chapter 5, and chapter 7, of title 5, United States Code (commonly known as the `Administrative Procedure Act’), the Otay Mountain Wilderness Act of 1999 (Public Law 106-145, 113 Stat. 1711), sections 102(29) and 103 of California Desert Protection Act of 1994 (16 U.S.C. 410aaa et seq.), the National Park Service Organic Act (16 U.S.C. 1 et seq.), Public Law 91-383 (16 U.S.C. 1a-1 et seq.), sections 401(7), 403, and 404 of the National Parks and Recreation Act of 1978 (Public Law 95-625, 92 Stat. 3467), the Arizona Desert Wilderness Act of 1990 (16 U.S.C. 1132 note; Public Law 101-628), section 10 of the Act of March 3, 1899 (33 U.S.C. 403), the Act of June 8, 1940 (16 U.S.C. 668 et seq.), (25 U.S.C. 3001 et seq.), Public Law 95-341 (42 U.S.C. 1996), Public Law 103-141 (42 U.S.C. 2000bb et seq.), the Forest and Rangeland Renewable Resources Planning Act of 1974 (16 U.S.C. 1600 et seq.), and the Multiple-Use Sustained-Yield Act of 1960 (16 U.S.C. 528 et seq.).

marisacat - 3 October 2011

yup, that is the bill….

Ive sent the original link around a bit…. so will add this if anyone had trouble accessing the other… (Thanks!)

diane - 3 October 2011

you’re welcome hon, thank you!

diane - 3 October 2011

sorry, the first link doesn’t work, hopefully this will, if not, it can be linked to from the second linked piece.

diane - 3 October 2011

(sorry, I shouldn’t have inserted that additional ‘blockquote’ before (1) IN GENERAL)

The current list of HR 1505 sponsors (not to say that it doesn’t have additional silent support):

Rep Bachus, Spencer [AL-6] – 6/3/2011
Rep Blackburn, Marsha [TN-7] – 6/1/2011
Rep Brooks, Mo [AL-5] – 7/7/2011
Rep Broun, Paul C. [GA-10] – 5/26/2011
Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] – 6/3/2011
Rep Calvert, Ken [CA-44] – 9/12/2011
Rep Canseco, Francisco “Quico” [TX-23] – 5/4/2011
Rep Carter, John R. [TX-31] – 4/13/2011
Rep Chaffetz, Jason [UT-3] – 5/26/2011
Rep Coffman, Mike [CO-6] – 5/4/2011
Rep Crawford, Eric A. “Rick” [AR-1] – 6/13/2011
Rep Duncan, Jeff [SC-3] – 9/19/2011
Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] – 6/3/2011
Rep Ellmers, Renee L. [NC-2] – 6/1/2011
Rep Fleischmann, Charles J. “Chuck” [TN-3] – 7/25/2011
Rep Fleming, John [LA-4] – 6/1/2011
Rep Flores, Bill [TX-17] – 7/25/2011
Rep Franks, Trent [AZ-2] – 7/26/2011
Rep Gallegly, Elton [CA-24] – 6/3/2011
Rep Gohmert, Louie [TX-1] – 7/26/2011
Rep Goodlatte, Bob [VA-6] – 6/13/2011
Rep Gosar, Paul A. [AZ-1] – 5/13/2011
Rep Hall, Ralph M. [TX-4] – 7/14/2011
Rep Hastings, Doc [WA-4] – 4/13/2011
Rep Herger, Wally [CA-2] – 6/14/2011
Rep Jenkins, Lynn [KS-2] – 6/1/2011
Rep Johnson, Bill [OH-6] – 6/22/2011
Rep King, Peter T. [NY-3] – 4/13/2011
Rep King, Steve [IA-5] – 6/1/2011
Rep Labrador, Raul R. [ID-1] – 6/21/2011
Rep Lamborn, Doug [CO-5] – 7/25/2011
Rep Lankford, James [OK-5] – 6/13/2011
Rep Luetkemeyer, Blaine [MO-9] – 6/14/2011
Rep Lummis, Cynthia M. [WY] – 5/26/2011
Rep McClintock, Tom [CA-4] – 5/13/2011
Rep McMorris Rodgers, Cathy [WA-5] – 5/26/2011
Rep Miller, Candice S. [MI-10] – 5/26/2011
Rep Miller, Gary G. [CA-42] – 6/21/2011
Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1] – 7/13/2011
Rep Myrick, Sue Wilkins [NC-9] – 6/13/2011
Rep Nunes, Devin [CA-21] – 7/6/2011
Rep Posey, Bill [FL-15] – 6/22/2011
Rep Rehberg, Denny [MT] – 5/4/2011
Rep Royce, Edward R. [CA-40] – 5/26/2011
Rep Smith, Lamar [TX-21] – 4/13/2011
Rep Southerland, Steve [FL-2] – 7/26/2011
Rep Westmoreland, Lynn A. [GA-3] – 6/13/2011
Rep Wittman, Robert J. [VA-1] – 7/26/2011
Rep Woodall, Rob [GA-7] – 6/14/2011
Rep Young, Don [AK] – 6/21/2011

18. marisacat - 2 October 2011

hahhahah…. so perfect… a FSO who was dispatched to Iraq as part of rebuilding (total and utter Potemkin, a bizarre attmept to change how most Iraqis eat ordinary daily chicken) calls the era we are in

George W Obama

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 October 2011
20. marisacat - 2 October 2011

mm Hang Seng off 4.244% as of 20 mins or so ago…

marisacat - 2 October 2011

it is now 2 hours later, 10:10 PM Pacific Time… and the HS is almost 5% off, 4.95


BooHooHooMan - 2 October 2011

You know what that is, doncha?
Well, When old aquaintance be forgot,
I think it’s something of an old Hang sign… 😉

marisacat - 2 October 2011

he’s a Tea Bagger!!

21. BooHooHooMan - 2 October 2011

A Hearty Fuck You to Bankster Data Guy, Thief, Madoff Masseur,
Inside Trader turned Oligarch, Mayor Micheal Bloomberg.

marisacat - 2 October 2011

“Madoff Masseur”… good one!

BooHooHooMan - 3 October 2011

Poor Blooby, Vying for Mayor of Athens now…
I doubt he’s reading the reviews in Europe much anymore.
Not that the domestic press is a nice packed lunch for his regular commute.

Don’t he knows? LOL –
Kosher Subways Don’t Cut It.
A shame.
Just when Brooklyn coulda had all that foot traffic to cover yet another half baked air-sandwich of a bank fraud, real estate and investment scam all rolled into and invest.

Which all sets things up nicely for Obby… ( 😉 NOT!)

The World from Berlin
Obama’s Euro-Crisis Lecture Is ‘Pitiful and Sad’

US President Obama has given the Europeans a harsh lecture on the dangers of their ongoing debt crisis. Offended by the unsolicited advice, Europeans have suggested the US get its own house in order first. Obama’s remarks were “arrogant” and “absurd,” 😆 German commentators say on Wednesday. ….

As to whether OWS been effective, well, once bullet-proof Morgan Stanley lost 10% of its value… last week. 😳

As for Blooby… LOL, calling up that old skunk Charlie Rangel…Charlie Rangel..?? Really? 😆
Him? That’s the best they could do?
Oh the Banking Syndicate in New York had their journos-on-the-take at the NYT (Aren’t they All? 😆 ) whip out a snide, shitty little piece of herky jerky framed right upfront with the perfunctory hippy bashing angle…

A man named Hero was here. So was Germ. There was the waitress from the dim sum restaurant in Evanston, Ill. And the liquor store worker. The Google consultant. The circus performer. The Brooklyn nanny.

The hodgepodge Lower Manhattan encampment known as Occupy Wall Street has no appointed leaders, no expiration date for its rabble-rousing stay and still-evolving goals and demands. Yet its two weeks of noisy occupation has lured a sturdily faithful and fervent constituency willing to express discontentment with what they feel is an inequitable financial system until, well, whenever.

..well, before sprinkling , ya know, just a whiff of REALITY on it lest , oh, the WaPo (of all U.S. last-gaspers) was left standing with pictures and all to cover the symbolic, oops, civil , oops, increasingly, oops, confrontational, oops INSURGENCY, which the rest of the global press publishes via veritable foreign correspondents like WaPo LOL embedded in the besieged Green Zone of Manhattan as the insurgents spilled over into Brooklyn …

and , LOL, every other godamn bankster place, too.
Hats off, by the way, to OccupySF @ Charles Schwab.
😯 😉

And hats off to the Mayor, preferably with his head too, it’d save him from having to testify tommorow in the trial of one of his bagmen , who unbeknownst to Efficient Manager Bloomberg managed to rip-off the City under his Boss’s nose for a cool million bucks…

marisacat - 3 October 2011

Obama’s Euro-Crisis Lecture Is ‘Pitiful and Sad’

Myself, I think Slobby seriously soiled himself with that fucked up speech. Sorta of a speech. Finger wag. I think he should elevate the wagging finger and poke his eyes out… then lower the finger forever. (I did not like Bill C’s Wagging Finger either.. and I do mean the finger attached to his hand!)

So sick to death of him.

marisacat - 3 October 2011

Oh VERY good going down to Schwab… I did not know they did that!! (I cannot keep up!)

22. BooHooHooMan - 3 October 2011

LOL, missed a gurgle gurgle there or two…
G’ night all…

23. marisacat - 3 October 2011



…………… 👿 … 🙄

24. diane - 3 October 2011

Sorry, I’ve been trying to post the following, re Occupy San Jose, on the current Arrest thread, but ‘my’ old browser keeps giving me the Operation Abort on that thread (Not saying you could or should bother about it (just letting you know), but I’m noticing it seems to only happen when I can see visible WordPress inserted ads right after your main post):

Ha, looks like Occupied Sly Con Valley may hopefully be in it for the long haul. At the bottom of the page:

Great event, guys. Finance committee formed, 2men, 2 women. The food was paid for out of the “Magic Hat”
A leaderless movement is born!
Two restaurants near the Occupation:
4th Street Pizza Co at 150E Santa Clara Street phone 408-286-7500
call and order some food for our brave Occupiers!
Also cooperating is El Sabroso Mexican Grill, 175 4th Street, phone 408-449-6714offering special deal for Occupiers, buy one super or regular burrito, get second 1/2 price
sorry, they do not take credit cards


DAILY MEETINGS- 7PM at the City Hall plaza at 4th and Santa Clara St in downtown SJ.
BIG GENERAL ASSEMBLY- Sundays at NOON. For messaging, policy, and big decisions.

Contact the @OccupySanJose twitter for updates, and Facebook page for information on committees!

Thank you!


marisacat - 3 October 2011

I’ll move this forward… but I am unsure why you are having problems.

Do you clear your cache? That used to create problems for me…

diane - 3 October 2011

I clear my cache constantly when I’m online. I think it could be something in the ad coding that is incompatible with the old browser, because it seems to only happen when there’s a visible ad.

Well, at least I can read the comments, if I turn off scripting, I just can’t post (which I used to be able to do before WordPress made that major change a month or so ago).

marisacat - 3 October 2011

I don’t get the google ads when I log on to the FP of my blog… AND I did not arrange in any way for them to be there.

Google Ads, Facebook, those two things on other sites contribute to very slow loading for me… and I was unaware they, or even just Google Ads, is on WordPress.

diane - 3 October 2011

I didn’t even think you were inserting the ads, and if you’re not seeing any ads (at the very end of the main post, in the center of the page, before the comments???), then maybe it’s not my browser with the problem, maybe I should look into some software to ‘clean’ my puter up …..sighhhhhh.

marisacat - 3 October 2011

No I don’t see the ads…. No Google ads…

diane - 3 October 2011

I don’t know if the ads I’m seeing are Google ads or not, their just ads, which change every few seconds, many of them are regarding free credit checks, they measure about 2 ½ by 2 ½ inches.

Anywho (siggghhh), at least I can still read the comments. Have a good night hon! (oh, and I loved the Mother Vegetable & iBarry ;0) )

marisacat - 3 October 2011

Sorry, the Google Ads are around so much and loading them gives me SO MUCH TROUBLE (tho it has been getting better) that I assumed it was Google Ads.

Google Ads in particular are a problem for me on Angry Arab….

diane - 3 October 2011

(they’re, not “their”)

25. diane - 4 October 2011

though I always take their ‘script’ with a ‘grain of salt,’ …. and too, many times, two to three 24 ouncers :0), ….the Daily Mail …. has some great pics up ….of:

the 99%ers Zombie Walk ……..

For all the complete idiots out there who proclaim it didn’t hit a major artery – …. especially with all those minions stuck, with slave wages, inside those Granitized, ….Marbled, …Mahoganied WALL STREET WALLS because they Have To Have a JAWB …Any JAWB WILL DO ….No Matter How Murderous and Death Cultish because otherwise we will either have to commit suicide or die a hideous slow death while still quite “alive” ™, -.seriously, …. wake up, believe in your own intuitions, …or, get fucked.

(yinz got tortoise, web.01 luddite ™, mail! ;0o ;0) )

diane - 4 October 2011

more mail ( ;0) ):

wow, …. the ThugRat “Partay”making that last gasp? … …… lil Timmeh will gladly play scape goat, …. why wouldn’t he? Like Obama and Wife, …he could care less about the 99%, he’ll still be obscenely paid at the end of most everyone else’s day ™.

…oh!, …but! .. BOOO!!!!! .., (Deformed, Elephantine Index Finger Wag Inserted Here™:), ..Otherwise!!!!!!™, it’ll be Romney!!!!, or HuntsMan Melamine!!!!!!!!?????? ™. As if there is any difference in any of them in terms of the misery ‘gifted’ to the 99%?

If Obama loses next year, it will be because of Tim Geithner

let me get right on that mofo: …Obama and Mother Vegetable, are Lethal Pond Scum, just like all the other ThugRat Folk ….™.

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