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Looks … 17 November 2011

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, California / Pacific Coast, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Occupy Wall Street, San Francisco, WAR!.

GOPers say the president’s ‘lazy’ comment will get plenty of play on the campaign trail. | AP Photo

Looks like what he is… another con.


From a participant at Oakland Occupy and Philadelphia Occupy, a former Oakland resident who teaches political theory at Drexel (bolding is mine):

[B]ut other unexpected dynamics surface as well, some of which play into the hands of the Occupiers. As Occupations spread from Oakland to Berkeley, the sheer number of available police becomes a question, as individual forces rely on mutual aid programs for costly, large-scale eviction efforts. Word emerges that Oakland’s efforts to remove the camp were sped-up due to the constraints imposed by the impending student strike tomorrow. Here the fallout from the brutality of the first Oakland eviction blows back on the police forces themselves: citing the excessive force in Oakland, Berkeley City Council voted unanimously to block mutual aid assistance between the Berkeley PD and UCPD.

And even those more than willing to participate in brutality have begun to demand more booty and protection: in the run-up to the second Oakland eviction this morning, the Alameda County Sheriff’s Department demanded not only $1,000 per officer per day, and the City of Alameda also demanded increased legal protection in the case of a repeat of the brutality that left Iraq veteran Scott Olson critically injured at the hands of an ACSD officer. This increasing legal scrutiny, financial strain, and sheer numerical limitations bode well for the future of Bay Area occupations and those across the nation.

I use the language of war consciously, not out of some desire for violent conclusion but out of a recognition that violence is already there. As our Egyptian comrades made clear in a statement in solidarity with Oakland, “It is not our desire to participate in violence, but it is even less our desire to lose.” Despite the asymmetrical nature of the war that confronts us, the implements are the same: few can deny the shocking militarization of police departments in recent years, or that this heavy weaponry has been all but openly deployed against the Occupiers. If Clausewitz famously argued that war is politics by other means, a formulation which Foucault slyly reversed, the practical reality of the Occupy Movement is that the two are much more difficult to disentangle from one another. Every word from the mouth of these Democratic Mayors, every leak whispered from a cop to a reporter is a rubber bullet in potentia.

I use the language of war because we will not back down, and because as a result, the war will be brought to us.

But more importantly, I speak of war because this is not a one-sided affair, and we should not allow our opponents to strip us of our status as equals simply because we do not respond in kind. Our power is nothing to scoff at, although it circulates in a manner largely distinct from that which we oppose. Just two nights ago, Occupy Portland swelled into the thousands to defend Chapman and Lownsdale squares, facing down riot police, forcing their retreat, and winning the night in the most absolute of terms. Last night, the plaza was cleared and campers removed, but traces of such a stunning initial victory remain in the confidence and compromise of the occupiers as they regroup and go once more into the breach.

And as I finish, I receive late word from Oakland that the occupiers have re-taken Oscar Grant Plaza without more than a symbolic police presence, and even later word of a massive crackdown of Zucotti Park in Lower Manhattan. Another skirmish lost, another battle won, but the long war stretches out before us like an interminable horizon.


There is a also a good treatise at Cpunch on violence/non violence… I happened not to have grown up in a home that prattled the glories of Gandhi… and I recall reading an assessment of Martin that has always made sense to me, that he was not purely nonviolent, he used the violence of the State. Makes sense to me. It certainly looked that way, over and over….

[F]irst, as Mike King and others have pointed out, the belief that so-called non-violence works and that it is the legitimating feature of a protest, is part of a delusion that afflicts the more privileged- which often means more white- members of the occupy movement. I myself have fallen prey to this in the past. “Protest non-violently and everything will be ok. Remember Dr. King and all he accomplished. If you work with the system it will bend to your needs.” This is all part of the ideology of a privileged though often well intentioned group of people who simply don’t have to deal with the violence that ensures the domestic order of the US-led capitalist-imperialist machine. Are the unemployed, homeless, under-paid and overworked, imprisoned, and dispossessed masses not subject to brutal levels of violence on a daily basis? Is the American capitalist system not propped up by imperialist adventures that tally their casualties in the millions? Indeed, have the nonviolent protest movements of the past actually brought to fruition a free and equal society? Adhering blindly to the rhetoric of violence/nonviolence is a de facto denial of the brutality suffered by literally billions throughout history, and it unfortunately does little to bring about historical justice.

Second, there is a fundamental misrecognition of the role of the state in a capitalist society at work in the ideology of nonviolence. The state, as Marx once said, is the bourgeoisie’s internal committee for the handling of its own affairs. One of the biggest affairs to be handled in a capitalist society is, of course, the fundamentally unjust and unequal class-relationship between capital and labor. Capital, by its very nature, relies on this unequal relationship; and history, by all accounts, has shown that the owners of capital, and its managers and representatives within the state, will consistently apply the most brutal levels of force to maintain this class relationship. What could be clearer than the fact that this power will not be relinquished without a fight?

Finally, non-violence could never be more than one tactic amongst a variety of tactics for the Left to employ in pursuit of broader strategic goals. In American protest politics, however, it often appears as an end in itself. This is a fallacy, which mistakes means for ends, and it needs to be rooted out aggressively as a hindrance to the ultimate goal, which, for revolutionaries, is the end of an oppressive, class-based, racist, sexist, violent system that has its roots deep in the capitalist mode of production. This is where the real violence is, and it is the collective desire to see this system confined to the dustbin of history- not the adherence to an empty ideology, come what may- that is the true litmus test for any revolutionary struggle.


And a last bit from a visitor to Zuccotti Park over the past weeks:

[S]everal union tradesmen stood nearby. One in particular caught my eyes because he was covered in dust. Then I learned that he had been a first responder on 9/11 as a union plumber and had never washed the clothing out of respect for those that died. His sign said: “Hey NYPD I am a real 9/11 WTC first responder wearing the dust of your friends and families from 10 years ago. SHAME.” A carpenter, Dave Buccola, was standing there and I thought his face was familiar. We had several interesting discussions as he talked about coming in from Brooklyn over the past two months and staying at some times.


One of the speakers focused on how confusing the movement must look to the authoritarian folks looking at it.

“We are a horizontal movement.  The cops think that power looks like shouting orders.  We do things differently here.  We use consensus processes.  There means we create space to hear as many voices as possible and seek decisions that are not just majority decisions but decisions that everyone consents to.”


The movement speakers know that their efforts will meet fierce, perhaps violent opposition, but know that a movement dies when it stop moving.  Hopefully, you can join us either here or at your closest rally on Thursday.


Centre Street near Chambers: Marchers stream across the Brooklyn Bridge. (Photo by Pearl Gabel for New York Daily News)



1. marisacat - 17 November 2011

Moving this forward, from the end of the last thread, a comment from diane

(shit, …..while doing a belated link check, I just noticed I fucked up a link in an above post, the following is the corrected link: URGENT: to the 72% of NYC Residents who Support Occupy Wall Street: WE NEED YOU NOW! http://occupywallst.org/article/urgent-72-nyc-residents-who-support-occupy-wall-st/ )

but …say, …hey!!!!!!!!!!! …;0) …, ….. the latest link up, at the main site (at about 7:55 PM EST):

Ten Thousand Massed at Foley Square, Thousands More En Route http://occupywallst.org/article/thousands-gather-foley-square/

Posted 3 hours ago on Nov. 17, 2011, 4:41 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt http://occupywallst.org/users/OccupyWallSt/

[embedded video – diane]

Live updates below

At 3PM, thousands of students, workers, and other supporters gathered in Union Square chanting “Shut the city down!” and using the People’s Mic to share stories of how banks and corporate greed have impacted the 99%. Simultaneously, Occupiers took to multiple subway stations in all five boroughs.

Students chanted “CUNY should be free!” and “Student Power!” as they took to the streets along 16th and 5th Avenue, shutting down traffic and leaving police powerless to respond. Police attempts to erect barricades along 5th Avenue failed to block the march, as banners reading “OCCUPIED” were seen along New School buildings.

Now, massive crowds are marching down Broadway toward Foley Square to join another large contingent of labor unions and fellow Occupiers. Despite a massive police presence and helicopters circling overhead, protestors are taking Foley Square. Thousands more are still en route, as marches continue to converge on Foley Square and more supporters pour from the subways.

Live Updates

7:09 pm: A Light Show on Brooklyn Bridge is projecting “Occupy Earth – we are winning” on the side of the Verizon Building. Followed by “Happy Birthday OccupywallstNYC” Reported by @occupywallst
7:06 pm: Police scanners estimate the crowd at 32,650 people. Reported by @jstetser
7:01 pm: Entrance of Brooklyn Bridge City Hall station closed.
7:00 pm: One source gives around 2,000 protesters on Brooklyn Bridge
6:44 pm: https://twitter.com/?photo_id=1#!/AnalectFilms/status/137290008620052481/photo/1 – Taking Canal St.
6:42 pm: http://twitpic.com/7fjlrc – On the Brooklyn Bridge.
6:35 pm: From TheOther99, reports of NYPD intimidating the press, told Tim Pool he would have his press card revoked if he was arrested.
6:30 pm: City Hall is locked down, from @JoshHarkinson
6:15 pm: 20,000 https://twitter.com/#!/TheOther99/status/137308234171170816 marching towards Brooklyn Bridge from Foley Square, chanting “Whose Streets? Our Streets!”
5:30 pm: #OWS shuts down Canal St.
5:25 pm: NYPD cavalry begins to be appear on Centre Street.
5:16 pm: 90 Fifth Avenue occupied by students from Pratt, Columbia, NYU, Hunter pic.twitter.com/lBNwUwpJ
5:07 pm: more police sirens heard headed toward Foley
5:00 pm: chant: “Bloomberg beware, Zuccotti Park is everywhere!”
4:53 pm: marchers headed from west end of 14th have been cut off by police barricades
4:47 pm: 5th ave has been shut down
4:42 pm: music and chants can be heard emanating from Foley Square
4:40 pm: as other marches continue heading down Broadway and from Liberty Square, 7th and 6th st are reported to have been taken by protesters
4:26 pm: Foley reported full of protestors, NYU students still on their way; other feeder marches (including from Liberty Square) also en route

2. ms_xeno - 17 November 2011

I actually volunteered to spend some time with a “splinter group” of protesters earlier today. They instructed us on how to be arrested. (memorize the NLG phone #, invoke the right to remain silent when dealing with the arresting cops, etc.) Thankfully it didn’t happen. B of A knew we were on our way, ahead of the larger protest, and locked their doors.

Several “splinters” were arrested down the street after they walked into Wells Fargo, sat down, and refused to leave. The best part of that was that while we were outside their building (which belongs to Standard Insurance/Mortgage: I had a mailroom job there, eons ago), a couple of wags go ahold of the US and Portland flags outside. They brought them down and then re-flew them upside down. Several people took pictures. It didn’t last long, but it lightened the mood quite a bit.

I saw the bike cops actually shoving people off the street using their bikes: pushing on people with their bikes as if they were portable barricades. Pretty obnoxious.

I missed the pepper spray. They didn’t bring that out until it was almost dusk, over near the MAX stations across the street from Chase.

marisacat - 17 November 2011

A round of applause for ms_xeno! (really, you deserve it)….


ms_xeno - 17 November 2011


I was seriously impressed with how much the demonstrators had on the ball. They really are accomplished with the decentralized, top down (use phrase of your choice) school of management. I think it made things very difficult for the police, which is as it should be. Small wonder that they were whining on the air this evening about how a permitted march would’ve been more acceptable. (Yeah, because it’s all about catering to your needs, Dollies. [rolleyes] )

At one point outside B of A, people were killing time by lighting fake paper money on fire and then stamping it out in the street. Just a “bill” or two at a time, for safety’s sake. By the time I got home, KGW was reporting that people were “lighting money on fire,” as if they honestly thought that the protesters were burning real money for all to see.

You gotta’ love the free press. :/

marisacat - 17 November 2011

I was seriously impressed with how much the demonstrators had on the ball. They really are accomplished…

Over and over they prove themselves very agile… it gives me so much hope….

marisacat - 17 November 2011

Speaking of the media… Miss Dorli Rainey, of the 84 and pepper sprayed in Seattle, on Olberman (thanks to Madman for the transcript)

OLBERMANN: Is that your hope for what this is going to do for America? That, more than anything else, it’s going to educate people for what they are up against?

RAINEY: We have to do that, and the time is of the essence. We are seeing the FCC trying to take away the free internet. I remember Goebbels. I remember the time — I grew up over there. And I remember the shrinking of the print media. We had one newspaper. It was called Völkischer Beobachter – The People’s Observer. And it was the same from North Germany down to South Austria, same propaganda: “We’re winning the war. We’re sinking the U-boats and we’re into Scotland.” So — we were doing so well, it’s amazing how long the war lasted after we were winning it already. And I see the same thing happening here.

We have, really, no more free media that will bring you the issues instead of just the soft, fluff entertainment, the repeated stuff about some actress somewhere being pregnant or not pregnant or wanting to go get married and not. This should be on the entertainment pages, but not on the mainstream news media.

So, we have such incredible issues here, right here in our town. We live 20 miles from ground zero of the Bangor missile base. And in order to get any attention from any media, we go there and we occupy the street going into the missile base. And we get arrested there and nobody cares, nobody says anything, except the people who want to drive in and out of the base and earn their living there — they don’t much like us. . . . . .

That is the thing about Occupy, they have to pay attention. They do.

ms_xeno - 17 November 2011

Sorry. Should’ve said “not top-down.”

Should take a rest now. :/

Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2011

way to go ms x!

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marisacat - 17 November 2011

Just amazing. Heil Bloombutt and his baby blooms.

marisacat - 17 November 2011

oh I just knew it… it was Wolfson (I don’t know the other one) Wolfson has been with Hillary for years… til he glomed onto Bloomberg a few years ago.

NYC Deputy Mayors Howard Wolfson and Cas Holloway went on NY1 (our local news channel) last night to discuss Tuesday morning’s raid on Zuccotti Park.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2011
6. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2011

maybe I’m weird, but I see this as related to so much that is starting to bubble up politically and socially:

Composers as Gardeners – Brian Eno

In the mid-’60s, there started to appear some music that really wasn’t like that at all. And in fact, it was about the time I started making music, and I found that I was making music in this same rather unusual new way. So that the music I was listening to then in particular, in relation to this point, was Terry Riley’s “In C” and Steve Reich’s famous tape pieces, “It’s Gonna Rain” and “Come Out.” And various other pieces as well.

Of course, I was also familiar with Cage and his use of randomness, and new ways of making musical decisions. Or not making them. What fascinated me about these kinds of music was that they really completely moved away from that old idea of how a composer worked. It was quite clear with these pieces, for example “In C,” that the composer didn’t have a picture of the finished piece in his head when he started. What the composer had was a kind of menu, a packet of seeds, you might say. And those musical seeds, once planted, turned into the piece. And they turned into a different version of that piece every time.
So for me, this was really a new paradigm of composing. Changing the idea of the composer from somebody who stood at the top of a process and dictated precisely how it was carried out, to somebody who stood at the bottom of a process who carefully planted some rather well-selected seeds, hopefully, and watched them turn into something. Now, I was sort of looking for support for that idea. The term ‘bottom-up’ hadn’t come into existence then. Chaos theory, complexity theory, so on, they didn’t exist. I don’t even think we had catastrophe theory then.

What we did have, though, was cybernetics. And I became very interested in the work of a cybernetician called Stafford Beer. In fact, I became friends with him, ultimately. Stafford had written a book called The Brain Of The Firm, The Managerial Cybernetics Of Organization, which came out, I think, in ’72 or ’73. And it was a very exciting book because it was essentially about this idea, again, unspoken at the time, of bottom-up organization, of things growing from the bottom and turning into things of greater complexity.

Now, you must understand why this was surprising at the time. It’s surprising for the same reason that evolution theory is still surprising to most Americans. Which is that the concept of something intelligent coming from something simple is very hard to understand. It’s not intuitive at all. The whole shock about Darwinian evolution is that simplicity turns into complexity. It’s not obvious that that should happen.

What happened in Stafford’s work was that he was talking about organization and how things organize themselves in this new way. And there was one sentence in the book which I think I still remember, he said ‘instead of trying to organize it in full detail, you organize it only somewhat and you then rely on the dynamics of the system to take you in the direction you want to go.’ And this became my sort of motto for how I wanted composition to be.

As I said, I started a correspondence with Stafford, and we did some presentations about this idea, both in music and science, in Canada. Around about the end of the ’70s, I started to become aware of another field of activity, which at that time was represented by just one single example in my experience. And this was the cellular automaton game called “Life,” by the mathematician, John Conway. I won’t go into that now because I don’t have time, but to give you a very simple glimpse of what that was about, I think to science, it sort of had the kind of impact that Duchamp’s urinal had in art. It’s sort of such a simple idea, which was so glowingly far-reaching that you thought my God, everything’s different now.

“Life” is a very simple mathematical game which is entirely deterministic, which is to say that you know exactly what all the inputs to the system are, you know exactly what rules govern it, and they’re very simple rules, and yet the outcomes are extremely unintuitive. They’re very unpredictable, sometimes extremely boring, sometimes incredibly elaborate and beautiful. But more than anything else, they’re not predictable. So your intuition kind of runs out on you there.

And shortly after that, various other versions of cellular automatons started to make themselves known to me. I don’t really know the history of them, chronologically, but I became aware of two-dimensional cellular automata Steven Wolfram, people like that, were starting to work with. And I started to realize that in science, too, there was this feeling that we had to start thinking about organization in a different way. We had to start thinking about how things came into being with a different set of paradigms.

And I will try to explain this to people, here this is where I make a connection to the subject we’re talking about today, I would try to explain this to people in terms of talking about the difference between an architect and a gardener. An architect, at least in the traditional sense, is somebody who has an in-detail concept of the final result in their head, and their task is to control the rest of nature sufficiently to get that built. Nature being things like bricks and sites and builders and so on. Everything outside has to be subject to an effort of control.

A gardener doesn’t really work like that. Unless it’s, as Mark’s mentioned, Versailles, which is, to me, the most grotesque of all gardens, since it’s the total denial of nature and the complete expression of human control over nature. So it’s a perfect forerunner to the Industrial Age, Versailles. But what I think about, I suppose my feeling about gardening, and I suppose most people’s feeling about gardening now, is that what one is doing is working in collaboration with the complex and unpredictable processes of nature. And trying to insert into that some inputs that will take advantage of those processes, and as Stafford Beers said, take you in the direction that you wanted to go.

Use the dynamics of the system to take you in the direction you wanted to go. So I don’t know how much time we’ve got. Okay, okay. So my feeling has been that the whole concept of how things are created and organized has been shifting for the last 40 or 50 years, and as I said, this sequence of science as cybernetics, catastrophe theory, chaos theory and complexity theory, are really all ways of us trying to get used to this idea that we have to stop thinking of top-down control as being the only way in which things could be made.

We have to actually lose the idea of intelligent design, because that’s actually what that is. The top-down theory is the same as intelligent design. And we have to actually stop thinking like that and start understanding that complexity can arise in another way and variety and intelligence and so on. So my own response to this has been, as an artist, to start to think of my work, too, as a form of gardening. So about 20 years ago I came up with this idea, this term, ‘generative music,’ which is a general term I use to cover not only the stuff that I do, but the kind of stuff that Reich is doing, and Terry Riley and lots and lots of other composers have been doing.

And essentially the idea there is that one is making a kind of music in the way that one might make a garden. One is carefully constructing seeds, or finding seeds, carefully planting them and then letting them have their life. And that life isn’t necessarily exactly what you’d envisaged for them. It’s characteristic of the kind of work that I do that I’m really not aware of how the final result is going to look or sound. So in fact, I’m deliberately constructing systems that will put me in the same position as any other member of the audience. I want to be surprised by it as well. And indeed, I often am.

What this means, really, is a rethinking of one’s own position as a creator. You stop thinking of yourself as me, the controller, you the audience, and you start thinking of all of us as the audience, all of us as people enjoying the garden together. Gardener included. So there’s something in the notes to this thing that says something about the difference between order and disorder. It’s in the preface to the little catalog we have. Which I take issue with, actually, because I think it isn’t the difference between order and disorder, it’s the difference between one understanding of order and how it comes into being, and a newer understanding of how order comes into being.

marisacat - 17 November 2011

oh that is completely fascinating… from the cybernetics author to the analogy to Versailles…

Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2011

I’m a huge believer in the idea that changes in worldview bubble through culture, sometimes shifting societies over generations.

marisacat - 17 November 2011

Everything is connected…

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 November 2011

Occupy demonstration closes North Ave. bridge

The North Ave. bridge over Interstate 43 has been closed for about 90 minutes as hundreds of Occupy Milwaukee demonstrators and other protesters are standing on the traffic lanes on the bridge.

Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn is on the scene, watching the scene with more than a dozen officers.

“My main purpose it just to size this up,” Flynn told a reporter.

A protest leader said demonstrators are prepared to be arrested as an act of civil disobedience. Several of the demonstrators said they were acting in solidarity with other demonstrations around the country.

Chief Flynn was on video on the 10 o’clock news saying he wouldn’t “fulfiill their martyrdom fantasies”. The cops ended up leaving them alone to block the bridge for about 3 hours.

Of course, small detail that the bridge was on a major road in a majority minority neighborhood … I suspect he wouldn’t have been so patient if it was a bridge near Marquette University.

8. ts - 17 November 2011
marisacat - 17 November 2011

maybe I am insane (or over caffeinated) but that sounds do-able. It does.

ts - 17 November 2011

There are so many unemployed banking/finance people in CA that would jump at the chance to make a little less for a virtual non-profit than they did for their previous employer (plus health insurance) but stick it to the man. They have contacts, friends, business associates. They’re not worthless. They’re valuable and sitting around waiting to be picked up.

ts - 17 November 2011

And for some reason, I’m reminded of the line from Ghostbusters:

If I’m wrong, nothing happens! We go to jail – peacefully, quietly. We’ll enjoy it! But if I’m *right*, and we *can* stop this thing… Lenny, you will have saved the lives of millions of registered voters.

9. marisacat - 17 November 2011

hmmm Cuuuute. I think htey are all on the run. Or, they SHOULD be.

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’ aides, backed by 25 House members, have asked the supercommittee to cut lawmakers’ pay as the 12-member panel works to reach a deficit-reduction deal before its Thanksgiving deadline.

Giffords, who is recovering from an assassination attempt, first introduced legislation to slash congressional salaries in January. The Arizona Democrat has been in the news lately because her husband, former astronaut Mark Kelly, wrote a book about her ordeal .. . . . . .

Supposedly she drafted the legistaltion last January. (Don’t laugh TOO hard, now)

Read more: Politico

ts - 17 November 2011

I suppose she’ll also start paying for her health care subsidy? How much do you think it’s cost us to get her the massively expensive specialized care she needs to recover, just to slash our salaries and benefits?

marisacat - 17 November 2011

I cannot even begin to guess what her care has cost. Even now she has private, in-home therapy, occupational and speech and whatever else.

IMO she is pretty right wing, one of the fake-soft faces of Fascism… I think her winger supporters should pick up the care. And I am sick to death of the Dems pretending that Palin is the one who should be fingered for being some “weapons mama”, who contributed to heated gun rhetoric…. Giffords has plenty of shots of herself with guns, some in a ‘take aim and fire’ stance that she used in campaigns.

I am so sick of them all I could spit.

Ganjafied Gabacho - 18 November 2011

She is right wing, but more of a political opportunist than led by any sort of ideology IMO

marisacat - 18 November 2011

yeah i agree. I watched the execrable interview she did wtih Diane. In that, she made herself into a cute puppy that wants you to adopt her. Which is the role she thinks will get her back to congress.

Except that all pols and most pol children are lower than snake shit, I’d say it was awful. However, it was just par for the golf course. I hope to god their dual, massive egos, she and the stub-husband, do not extend to returning to some tortured baby-making ot make up to her for loss of part of her brain and her treasure and blood seat in congress.

10. marisacat - 17 November 2011

I was fishing around as I think Consort bailed in Hawaii, not going on to Australia or Bali…. and lo and behold, what do I find.

From the SMH:

A SECRET booklet describing Barack Obama’s Australian schedule down to the minute, as well as the breakdown of his security convoy and the mobile numbers of dozens of senior US and Australian officials, was found by the Herald lying on a Canberra street yesterday morning.

The loss, a significant and hugely embarrassing security slip-up, will leave a sour final note to what was an otherwise positive two days for the Gillard government.

The booklet, Overall Program and Orders of Arrangements, for the US President’s visit, was found by this reporter in a gutter about 100 metres from the entrance to Parliament House.

Last night a top security analyst, Alan Dupont, said the find was far more than embarrassing. It represented a significant security breach.

”If that had got into the wrong hands it would certainly put the President and some of his entourage at risk, if someone could respond quickly enough to having the information,” said Professor Dupont, the Michael Hintze Chair of International Security at Sydney University.

”Even if you were an ordinary crim, there would be a market for that kind of book, so it’s not good news.” . . . .

Might as well laugh.

It gives a breakdown of Mr Obama’s secret service presidential protective division, including its ”counter-assault teams”, a ”comms vehicle”, an ”intel car” and the ”hammer truck”. Hammer stands for ”hazardous agent mitigation medical emergency response”.

The Secret Service team provides emergency medical and chemical attack treatment and keeps equipment used for forcing entry and for rescue.

. . . . . .

marisacat - 17 November 2011

oh and yes, she did bail in Hawaii, tho originally scheduled to go on to Australia, Bali and Indonesia… She flew back to DC from Hawaii.

What a trooper.

wu ming - 18 November 2011

one explanation for that change in plans may be the incident with the guy from idaho firing several rounds into the white house living quarters last week. the kids were in DC IIRC.

marisacat - 18 November 2011

No, she ofen bails. I’d be really surprised if the kids mattered much … she likes to cut out somewhere 2 – 4 days out on the junkets..

The damn job is the lousy business and mil junkets. Oh and the campaigning. Sh cuts out on that too.

And last, I don’t buy the crap on Ortega. I really don’t. They want the prayer circles to convene. The damn dumb blacks and whites, the Slob-ites, to weep and moan for Slob.

Sorry I am beyond cynical. The game is so up in this country…

11. Ganjafied Gabacho - 18 November 2011

Interview with creator of Occupy Wall Street “bat-signal” projections during Brooklyn Bridge #N17 march

XJ: How did you go about finding someone nearby who would allow you stage this from inside their home?

MR: Opposite the Verizon building, there is a bunch of city housing. Subsidized, rent-controlled. There’s a lack of services, lights are out in the hallways, the housing feels like jails, like prisons. I walked around, and put up signs in there offering money to rent out an apartment for a few hours. I didn’t say much more. I received surprisingly few calls, and most of them seemed not quite fully there. But then I got one call from a sane person Her name was Denise Vega. She lived on the 16th floor. Single, working mom, mother of three.

I spoke with her on the phone, and a few days later went over and met her.

I told her what I wanted to do, and she was enthused. The more I described, the more excited she got.

Her parting words were, “let’s do this.”

She wouldn’t take my money. That was the day of the eviction of Zuccotti, the same day. And she’d been listening to the news all day, she saw everything that had happened.

“I can’t charge you money, this is for the people,” she said.

She was born in the projects. She opened up her home to us.

Interview with creator of Occupy Wall Street “bat-signal” projections during Brooklyn Bridge #N17 march

marisacat - 18 November 2011

Thank god she did not take money… Obviously she has ethics (unlike Wall St as an example)… BUT it may also save her from the Housing Authority. The whole way of dealing with poor people gets, if possible, more and more punitive.

Madman in the Marketplace - 18 November 2011

thanks for that

Madman in the Marketplace - 18 November 2011

I like the way people are making these connections:

XJ: Who wrote the words?

MR: I did. A lot of it is just chants that we’ve heard. “We are the 99%,” everyone knows that one. “We are unstoppable, another world is possible,” a bunch of chants that have circulated around. “We are winning.” There’s one you’d see internationally, when Zapatistas are marching on the zocalo, and it circulated thorugh radical circles. “Failure isn’t possible” is another I wanted to use, which I don’t think made it in there.

And “It’s the beginning of the beginning.” I loved that one. So frequently, things happen in the world that make it feel like we’re at the beginning of the end. But—”the beginning of the beginning,” what a radically optimistic statement that is.

The scale of the environmental and economic crisis we are facing, it’s extraordinary. This movement is a response to that crisis. Our leaders aren’t responding to any of that in a way that is commensurate to the crises we face. And that one sign has always spoken to me. We have to throw off our despair about the future world we might be facing, because if we come together as people and humanity, we can change it. And what Occupy Wall Street makes me feel is that for the first time in a long time that might be possible.

That means a lot to me. This is choosing hope over despair. This is actively and resolutely making that choice. It’s not going to be easy. It’s not going to be over in two months. It’s not going to be just the result of conversation.

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Welp, trying to decide which link to use (this McClatchy link, currently on the wonderful Mcat’s ‘sidebar’), was the first I became aware of), I thought I’d go with this link…first, since so many of the muckety muck, and wanna be muckety muck, of the Royal Kingdom are historically known as expert practitioners, as regards pedophilia ( as are, many of the hush hush, ‘set’ for life, ivory pillars of my own home state, PA). And then there’s that bonus picture that might even be mistaken for a shot of Poppy, as regarded Kiddie Gate. (a younger, more chisel chinned, virile shot, which is likely the accused looked in 1977, is available here)

A new alleged sex abuse victim of Penn State University staff claims officials ignored evidence that he was molested by one of the college’s professors.

McLaughlin said he had confronted Neisworth on the phone in 2001 over the alleged abuse in the late 70s and early 80s, when he was between 11 and 15 years old.

He told ABC News: ‘I was in the process of trying to get him to open up about some of the sexual acts and what not, and he actually interrupted me and says, ‘Do you remember driving up on the hill?” McLaughin said.

‘I said, ‘Wasn’t that the first time you went down on me?’ He said, ‘I don’t know if it was the first time but it was certainly fierce,’ was his words.’

Between the end of 2001 and early 2002, McLaughlin said he sent the university a recording of the phone conversation, but officials refused to even investigate his claim.

He added: ‘They didn’t want copies of the tape recorded conversation. They didn’t want to hear it, period,’ he said.

From McClatchy:

McLaughlin filed a civil suit against Neisworth and a California man named Karl Goeke in New Jersey in 2001. McLaughlin agreed to an out-of-court cash settlement, which included a nondisclosure agreement, in 2002, according to the Centre Daily Times archives.

In 2005, charges of child sexual abuse were filed in Maryland — the only state in which the statute of limitations had not expired — against Neisworth, who was 67 at the time; Goeke, who was 58; and David A. Smith, who was 64. However, prosecutors later made a declaration of nolle prosequi — a voluntary dropping of charges — because of lack of evidence, according to court documents and newspaper accounts of the trial.

Interestingly, there is nothing at any of the links, not even the ABC, ‘first person report,’ link, as regards any mainstream journalists asking him if he still has the recording, and can they listen to it; … thereby implying, by that omission, that the recording is worthless. Certainly, if the nondisclosure agreement he signed regarding the Maryland Settlement, precludes him from sharing that recording, that should have been noted in all of the ‘reports,’ as either a question mark, or in ABC’s interview piece, as a question that was asked; …. but one must tread with a feather step as regards our Revered National Experts ™. …especially when voiceless children are involved.

(I have to say tooo, that I can imagine how tempting, as a child – cute as a button, doe eyed, lusterous head of hair, improper usage of the english language, and ethnic/not to be believed …… – might be to an ivory tower pedophile.)

marisacat - 18 November 2011

what’s in the NYDN, the McClatchy AND the DM are why Penn State has to be stopped for a length of time, YEARS, from participating in NCAA games. Has to be. Anything else is a fiction… an enabling fiction. One big sign is keeping Bradley… another is that McQueary is desperately trying t retell ‘how it happened’, in new stories that are at variance with what he said in the GJ.

It has to be stopped. Dead in its tracks.

Thanks for those links.

Yikes… but not surprising.

diane - 18 November 2011

There are, have been ….for a few centuries, some truly vile persons ….residing in PA. ….Cali, among others, is heavy in the competition for that title …..as you know hon, perhaps managed to win it, … at this point.


marisacat - 18 November 2011

California as Land’s End certainly gets its share of everybody. Anyone who thinks not is just an idiot and has not looked around.

WTF is wrong in PA and, in fact, in surrounding states as well, I have no idea. I assume it goes back all the way and was bolstered, strengthened in successive waves of immigration. Fostered by who runs the towns and villages.

Frankly it’s everywhere.

diane - 18 November 2011

Frankly it’s everywhere.

yup, … I highlight PA …and Cali – for that matter Illinois, …Texas, …and Florida, …etc. – because that’s where the Fed money has been concentrated, those strategic locales, further empowering those residents who are vile ……

diane - 18 November 2011

sorry, I had intended to write (note the bolding):

…which is likely how the accused looked in 1977,…

Also, I shouldn’t have noted “Maryland” as the settlement state, It was New Jersey:

McLaughlin filed a civil suit against Neisworth and a California man named Karl Goeke in New Jersey in 2001. McLaughlin agreed to an out-of-court cash settlement, which included a nondisclosure agreement, in 2002, according to the Centre Daily Times archives.

diane - 18 November 2011

for the lurkers out there saying that McLaughin is just a money grubber: …FUCK YOU (yes, even if his claims were a tad fabricated, which I highly doubt). … Your lords, and lordessas, long ago, set in place, … that no matter how loving, empathetic, …….decent, …….. a person might be, If they don’t BUCK UP, and ‘EARN’ ENOUGH COIN TO “LIVE” (generally equated (though so rarely admitted) with something ultimately life destroying, shalllow, vapid, and hideous), sucking the dicks of vile beings (as those Lordessas delighted), they will either have to commit suicide, or live under a bridge, and die a hideously slow death, being spat on by you pathetic lackies

diane - 18 November 2011

(and how can you be expected to earn that kind of coin when your days and nights are filled with memories of abuse at the hands of those who also nanny, and legislate, your life? ….when you’re so overwrought by the rampant abuse, you can’t even sit through a hideously sadistic, ‘dog eat dog’ “jawb interview,” without sweating? …or breaking down in tears because you know the fuckers will hire the biggest lying prick, cocksucker in the interview line? …. and as we all know (thank you so much Hollowood, et al, for that education!!!!!!), having sweat, or tear, glands (unless you’ve had a fake gland transplant, like creepy, weepy Boehner, et al.), should never be admitted when you’re going for that Touch Down!!!!! ™, that ..Immaculate, … Hail Mary!!!!!! … )

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Occupy Chaotic Good

There’s always a logical reason for the recommendations. Every time OWS hits one or another of the standard obstacles that popular movements do, all the helpful‡ bystanders urge it to solve the problem by following the well-known rules of lefty protest movements:

You have leaders with a plan. You have a simple message that fits on the signs you hand out. There are clear demands, preferably in neat sound bites. Speeches expand on the message and illustrate it with touching anecdotes. After the speeches, everyone marches somewhere symbolic. And if you do it all just right, the people in authority will see that you are many and you are mighty. You will get what you want. If you don’t, it’s probably because you didn’t follow the rules.

But we know this tune, albeit with different words.

You finish high school. You go to college, even if you have to stretch a little to afford it. You major in something sensible and get a good job after graduation. You buy a house as soon as you can, even if it’s tight for a little while, because its value will appreciate over time. You work hard, and hard work is rewarded. And if you do it all just right, you’ll have a better standard of living than your parents. If you don’t, it’s probably because you didn’t follow the rules.

How’s that one working out for folks? Everybody happy?

If the game is rigged against ordinary people just trying to get by, we’d be fools to believe that it’s going to be fair to people trying to change the rules. The Noise Machine, in all of its manifestations, is ready. It was built for this.

marisacat - 18 November 2011

I forgot about that site!! Thanks for reminding me.

Madman in the Marketplace - 18 November 2011

I’d forgotten about it too, yet somehow I always end up back there eventually.

ms_xeno - 18 November 2011

I’m reminded of Powell’s Books, and their successful Unionization when it was just beginning, back in ’99 or so.

When somebody asked an organizer why she didn’t just quit and get a better job somewhere else, she said something like, Well, what does that solve in the long run? Somebody else still has to take over this job and be underpaid and overworked, after I’m gone.

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diane - 18 November 2011

Sure is scary. Looks like the coming of a new fad (along with USPD Drones and Raytheon, Prison PainRays). I’d love to know the extent of that G20 atrocity in Pittsburgh, PA, where the LRAD is reported to have been first used, in the UZ, against a crowd (though I remember reading of an LRAD type device being used (in New England somehere? ) as a teen deterrent even prior to that, in the evil twin, BushShrub, years)

(I wish someone would correct that odd, ‘posted’ date of July 6th, 2011 (directly under the article title and author’s name), versus the correct, November 17th or 18th, 2011, post date.)

diane - 18 November 2011

re the anti teen high frequency sound device:

The Mosquito

Calls to ban ‘anti-teen’ device:

Sir Al Aynsley-Green, children’s commissioner for England, said he had spoken to many young people who had been “deeply affected” by the deterrents.

He said: “These devices are indiscriminate and target all children and young people, including babies, regardless of whether they are behaving or misbehaving.

“The use of measures such as these are simply demonising children and young people, creating a dangerous and widening divide between the young and the old.”

He also argued that such an approach was “not addressing the root cause” of anti-social behaviour.

Liberty director Shami Chakrabarti said the device had no place in a country that values its children.

“What type of society uses a low-level sonic weapon on its children? [the UK and the US, for two of them – diane] Imagine the outcry if a device was introduced that caused blanket discomfort to people of one race or gender, rather than to our kids,” she said.

not to worry about the discrimination of the device, the company now markets one that can be used on all ages:

The latest version of the Mosquito is called the MK4 Multi-Age. It has two different settings one for teenagers 13 – 25 years and one setting for all ages. When it is set to 17KHz the Mosquito can only be heard by teenagers approximately 13 to 25 years of age. When set to 8 KHz the Mosquito can be heard by all ages.

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ms_xeno - 18 November 2011

I think the average BO commenter would be tossed out of Oregon Live for being too hateful, stupid and redneck-y to live.

Which is really saying something, if you’ve ever spent an hour on Oregon Live.


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marisacat - 18 November 2011

which of course is part of it all.

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marisacat - 18 November 2011

you wonder if anything catches up…. or do they just get away with it all.

I wonder, are NYers fine wth Bloombito and Kelly? Because those are dangerous men.

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24. marisacat - 18 November 2011

oh dear god. i just heard on a news update that some aberrational human has been waiting outside a Best Buy in … oh somewhere in Florida, St Petersburg or Orlando or somwhere, since MONDAY for “Black Friday”.. which is

next week. Right?

I think that is certifiable.

25. marisacat - 18 November 2011



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