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Land Day 1 April 2012

Posted by marisacat in Israel/AIPAC, Total fucking lunatics, WAR!.

Israeli border police officers use pepper spray as they detain an injured Palestinian protester outside Damascus Gate in Jerusalem | Ammar Awad/Reuters

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1. marisacat - 1 April 2012

HA! Occupy SF has taken over a large unoccupied building, at Turk and Gough, for anyone who knows the city… think that lies within the Tenderloin…

Good going…

marisacat - 1 April 2012

So far so good… turns out the building belongs to Sacred Heart HS, which used to be – and I guess still is – a Catholic boys’ private school, Jesuits…

They have told the police to do nothing. For now…

But sounds like the diocese will get involved.

2. marisacat - 2 April 2012

Oh very clever…

I read over at Instapundit that now that we have bona fide 1 dollar bills carrying Tim Geithner signature, some have taken to adding a little red stamped “Tax Cheat” above his name.

I like that…we’ve got to entertain ourselves SOMEHOW.




3. diane - 2 April 2012

The sadist with the green vest looks like he’s ‘climaxing’ ..the contortion on his face seems to go far beyond the one-armed ‘effort’ of restraining his victim. Looks like he could easily work a ‘night shift’ of being a serial murderer…….

marisacat - 2 April 2012

I thought it was a pretty brutal photo… and with pepper spray and other assault weapons more and more in the news….

diane - 2 April 2012

The photo struck me as representative of the ‘new,’ and even more horrifyingly genocidal, swastika/master ‘race’,… which represents the current, global and near total, bastardization of the incredibly fine line of ‘keeping the peace.’

(Speaking of which, as much as Jeralyn’s more and more frequent comment deletions have become disturbing (would never post there myself), I am glad she’s highlighted the Sadists that the “Supreme” Court is filled with: Supreme Court Okays Visual Strip Searches of All Arrestees.

I likely disagree with her as regards to my belief, that even most, if not all, of the dissenters in that opinion, have partaken in their own sadism at some point ….in what never should have been …..their life long appointments; …never, ever, .. subject to the scrutiny, debasement and humiliation ….which they so blatantly and inhumanely impose on others.)

marisacat - 2 April 2012

Yeah I was never a fan of Jeralyn…. and her stances on commenting make the place completely inhospitable imo… hilarious that she ended up as the nursery-in-detention for Arm*ndo.

Don’t say anything mean about Zimmerman!… LOL down in the dangling organ that is Florida… geesh what a circus. I’ve noticed several people have corrected her as she constatnly lets it seem that Zimmerman was official neighborhood watch, as in agreed to formally by residents and affiliated with the national org. Best of Luck to the homeowners… as it does seem the Retreat made him quasi official, in the limited extent.

diane - 2 April 2012

yup, she deleted an entire sub thread of ZImmerman/farewell message to Jeralyn posts, after she deleted a photo link, replacing it with her own version. Then filled in the deleted space with a vapid non apology to a person who had been loyal to her for years, as if they’d never existed; topping the whole thing off by cutting off any further comments on the entire post.

A stunning dismissal of those she clearly considers her lessers, after all, she’s in it to support her income, no matter who she finds herself defending, that’s what “our glorious Capitalist system” is all about after all.

marisacat - 2 April 2012

I don’t think it has worked, especially, to augment her income…. she veered from her original “goal” for the blog, not that that matters, but she also lost writers for the blog as she turned away from a somewhat 50/50 mix of politics wtih a lot of crime and criminal def postings…

Unelss someone sees her on cable, I don’t think any come to her anymore for on the spot commentary on crime and related matters, she used to comment from her home, a cam on her computer, for both CNN and MSNBC…

I don’t read her much, but her site loads easily for me so I was dropping in on her posts, despite all of her problems she did
m o s t l y keep to the facts in the case…

I am guessing… maybe Colorado… she might have strong pro gun views… no idea really. I always wondered at her being so often at Hunter S Thompson home, but I think she was or used to be the friend of his wife.

As for being a liberal, I’ve logn thought she is a phoney, just a plain old Democrat. Big whoop.

4. marisacat - 2 April 2012

Oakland is on a hot plate today….

feds multiagency – what else? raided Oaksterdam U a very out there entity with classes in MJ cultivation and whatever else…. DEA and IRS in the raid… early they detained the head of it… haven’t seen an update


the mass killing which I assume is all over the news and the netteries…

5. marisacat - 2 April 2012

******Banging head against the wall*****….

I am listening to a local talk show host, who pretends to oppose the ruling today in strip search, the Florence case…

but of course it is a handy election stick. He’s made a mess of it. People are not able to grasp it…. they just willy nilly assume that it would apply to the violent or the drunk, etc. ….

Best of luck if you are picked up on a leash law infraction… as that is the basis of one of the Appeals Court cases that gave rise to the ruling.

What a mess….

diane - 2 April 2012

Ugh glad I wasn’t listening, I’m already in a foul mood today. I can well imagine that the case was seen as the perfect manner in which to further strike fear into the populace about neglecting to fastidiously dot their “i”s and cross their “t”s when dealing with AUTHORITY. As I recollect, a woman was sent to jail about a year ago for neglecting to pay a library fine.

I’m sure it was seen as a huge damper for all sorts of potential citizen protests, minor (refusing to pay what seem to be unfair fines, etc.) and major. SADISTS.

marisacat - 2 April 2012

he concentrated on the elections angle, gotta elect Slobby cuz this was done by the wingers….

INSTEAD of pointing out the cases that gave rise to this ruling, not just Florence (whihc is apparently so fucking complicated that the NYT left out major aspects of the case) but appeals court cases to do wtih Leash Law, unlicensed driver and non payment of child support.

Gota elect Slobby…

diane - 2 April 2012

I’m sure Slobby has no objections whatsoever to the ruling, it fits right in with the rest of his ‘policies,’ assassination and indefinite detention, sans charges, of citizens; jailing whistleblowers; etc…..

marisacat - 2 April 2012

well I think he fully deserved the headline at Drudge a bit ago… wondering if he got “a leak” from the SC, below a pic of Kagan.

His silly “warning” to teh SC.

😆 All you can do is laugh.

diane - 2 April 2012

His Kagan appointment made me want to heave, wish I could laugh, …generally, I want to weep at the venal state of things … the level of malice is astounding.

marisacat - 2 April 2012

well I didn’t care for either of his appointments… but Kagan was nothing but a Dem party operative. And a Clintonite, DLCer.

SMBIVA dug up sme good dirt on her father, who SLob and the system portrayed as some selfless Tenant Rights lawyer in NYC

diane - 2 April 2012

yeah, Ms. Belize Club certainly was no prize either. (Ohh but they were both Wimmins!!!!! yeah ….jus like all those bitches in Cali …)

If I recollect, Glenn Greenwald ragged on Kagan’s ass too.

marisacat - 2 April 2012

Turley was very opposed to sotomayor, by kagan I just basically passed out. “Another one…”

diane - 2 April 2012

Found the Stop Me Before I VoteAgain link (wow….):

Elena Kagan’s crooked dad…

… sued me for libel , almost thirty years ago, for, what, a million dollars? Seven million dollars? I don’t quite recall. Hey, a million here, a million there…

Kagan’s dad was an Upper West Side lawyer named Robert Kagan. Based on the sketchy bio one finds online, I think this must be the same Robert Kagan — shown above — who was exposed as a first-class crook in a little community paper I used to edit, back in the late 70s-early 80s. The paper was called Heights and Valley News (HVN).

HVN was so obscure that it’s not even online. We covered the landlord-tenant struggle on the Upper West Side — a battle which the tenants notoriously lost, and the landlords won, with ample help from high-minded West Side liberals and their institutional excrescence, the Democratic Party.

Robert Kagan had a scam in which he “represented” tenants who were resisting co-op efforts, which were the great engine of gentrification in New York back then. As soon as Robert signed up to represent the tenants, he would form a partnership with other speculators and send the tenants — his clients — letters offering to buy out their “insider” rights, under some such soothing name as “Apartment Investors Associates”.

Needless to say, the tenants had no idea that “Apartment Investors Associates” included their lawyer, who thus stood to benefit from losing their case — not to put too fine a point on it.

There were other fiddles, too — non-resident fictitious “tenants” who were sockpuppets of Kagan’s, for example.

No doubt this all sounds very arcane, but it was a big deal at the time. Kagan was the chair of the local community board’s “ethics committee” — you can’t make this stuff up. He was either dumped, or had to resign from that position of honor, and he sued me, me personally, for libel, and claimed damages to the amount of a lot of dollars. Millions. I don’t remember how many. A few more than I had, anyway.

Of course we laughed the suit off, and it went nowhere — a very sad and ineffectual attempt at intimidation. After all, we had the documents. There was no surmising about it.

I’ve scanned some of the old HVN stories and posted them on Tumblr, though the resolution isn’t very good on some of them. Will try to find a better alternative.

What of it, you say? Dad is one thing, daughter’s another.

But there has been a good deal of speculation on what Kagan’s background might tell us about her. The conventional narrative is that she comes from an idealistic high-minded left-wing milieu; so maybe we’re not completely fucked. Kagan pere, in particular, is invariably characterized as a “tenant lawyer”, a man who fought for the little guy against the rapacious landlords, etc., etc. Here’s a particularly gaga example:

Elena Kagan and Family: Best of the Upper Left Side, with a Pro-Union Brother

It’s about time that a child of Manhattan’s Upper Left Side was nominated for the Supreme Court. There is no better school for debate than the corridors of upper Broadway and the aisles of Zabar’s, where the opinions are stronger than the garlic bagels.

Obama nominee Elena Kagan, 50, has impeccable ULS credentials and genes: Mom Gloria taught public school’s best and brightest at Hunter College Elementary School; dad Robert was a lawyer who represented tenants.

This rave comes from the Village Voice — which was a great supporter of gentrification, back in the day when it could actually claim to be a real newspaper.

Now if Elena is in fact the daughter of my Robert Kagan — and it seems pretty certain she is — then this self-flattering West Side story needs to be brought more into line with what we old-timers know to be West Side reality. Elena was raised in comfort, and plied with all the garlic bagels she could eat, on the proceeds of real-estate speculation and a crooked lawyer’s fraudulent dealings with his clients.

So if background means anything — then I guess we’re fucked after all.


Update: I was originally somewhat tentative in identifying my Robert Kagan with Elena Kagan’s father. It now seems clear that they are in fact one and the same — see comment #1 — so I’ve adjusted the language accordingly. –MJS

marisacat - 2 April 2012

her family was pretty unnattractive… they sat behind her at the hearing looking like shtetl munchkins…. to be frank.

marisacat - 2 April 2012

oh I should add… my very un PC nickname for EK was “Shreck-American”… I found it in a thread, somewhere…. it fit her.

diane - 2 April 2012

unattractive indeed …, … truly fuckin nasty ….. and truly, …as if Obombster was not at all aware of that ‘untidy’ familial backdrop ….. when he chose her …..

marisacat - 2 April 2012

well if he was, i am sure it was immaterial….

diane - 2 April 2012

I’ll opt for Door Number Threehon: If he was [aware of the family backdrop] … , it was a qualifying, winning factor ….. in the selection. ….

marisacat - 2 April 2012

All of these assholes agree… at some hearing in congress she and Thurgood Marshall III embraced each other and she chirped out, GOODIE! How are you!??

He is the piece of junk who serves on the board of CCA, Corrections Corporation of America…. along with a strong southern and midwestern slew of whites. He’s been there for years.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 April 2012
BooHooHooMan - 3 April 2012

How dare you speak ill of the 8th Sacrament!

Madman to Bhhm: Uhm, D U D E, There is no 8th Sacrament.


marisacat - 3 April 2012

We live in sacrificial times!

BooHooHooMan - 3 April 2012


Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2012

apparently there is NOW.

7. marisacat - 3 April 2012

hmmm from a new Campaign 2012 book from Mike Allen and Evan Thomas:

“Tagg Romney, the candidate’s oldest son, articulated a side of his father that the campaign has struggled to portray.

‘In his spare time, he wants to solve problems,’ Tagg Romney said in an interview. ‘He wants to figure out, when he comes over to your house, he wants to figure out, “Well, your boiler’s not working. How are we going to fix the boiler?” and “Have you noticed that some of your trees are dying out there? Why are your trees dying? What’s causing that? Can we figure that out, and can we go down to the hardware store and see if they’ve got something to fix that?”

And all of a sudden you see him driving a tractor in your backyard, and he’s pulling stuff up. He’s like, “Oh, these rocks were doing that.” I mean, that’s just who he is.”‘ …

hmm Yes I can see that they struggled.

My guess is the delivery and imagery were even nuttier in person.

Good Luck!

Boiler? I think buy a new one…

Trees… call an arborist

Rocks? Oh that was a little too nutty for me to parse.

BooHooHooMan - 3 April 2012

And all of a sudden you see him driving a tractor in your backyard,

Perfect for the young couple and Saturday morning lovemaking as the logging company rolls in and maniacal-tractor-driving Dad knocks out the back wall to get to the boiler in the basement.

CHOOSE your Daddy, folks.
As we must, right? And what a selection!
Don’t forget Barry Tucking the Girls In! Bombs at the ready!
CHOOSE your Daddy, people!

marisacat - 3 April 2012

Don’t forget Barry Tucking the Girls In! Bombs at the ready!
CHOOSE your Daddy, people!

(And fucking Bushiter so blithely hunting for the WMD under the Oval Office rug… )

Exactly! All fucking detached looneys…

Oh and Memsab on The Biggest Loser! Don’t miss it… all about health and wellness!!!!!!!

lucid72 - 3 April 2012

Tagg? Wtf is it with Republican politicians giving their children horrible names?

marisacat - 3 April 2012

Shouldn’t Ann and Mittens be x examined on it, like Palin was…
think one of her kids was Trigg… and by now I forget the others…

But Mittens was a Mormon Bishop, mustn’t fuss TOO much… 😆

8. BooHooHooMan - 3 April 2012

What a pic atop thread.
And guess who is in Israel sucking up shmears?

He will have a private dinner with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, meet with President Shimon Peres and cap the Holy Week trek with a personal visit to Jordan with King Abdullah II.

The attention will surely reignite speculation that Christie is on the short list of vice presidential candidates for the likely Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney. Barring that, it’s never too early to build foreign policy credentials necessary for a 2016 stab at the White House.

“That’s not why I’m going,” Christie said in an interview last week. “Why I’m going is because I really believe that it’s incumbent upon a New Jersey governor to have a great … understanding and relationship with Israel given the makeup of our state, and I’m also somebody who wants to grow and expand my own mind and my own experiences, and that’ll make me a better leader.”

Yes, because nothing says growth and mind expansion like –

Assemblyman Gary Schaer (D-Passaic), the only Orthodox Jew in the Legislature, said visiting Israel is paramount to understanding Jewish people in New Jersey. Schaer, who lived in Israel for a year and a half and has visited many times, said the trip is also something of a prerequisite for someone like Christie.

“Politicians who reach a national level need to do a number of things and one of them is to visit Israel,” he said.

Part of Christie’s advance team and sponsors of the trip arrived Friday at the King David Hotel, which is famous for hosting diplomats since its opening in 1930 and was targeted in a 1946 bombing.

Someone bombed the King David? Ya don’t say!?
LOL. Which they don’t! – Hmm, I wonder who was behind THAT?

: :

This comes as sentences are pending between now and summer against some half of those 44 busted ..the Pols, Orthodox rabbis, money launderers, black market organ sellers and the like in 2009 during Christie’s watch as US Attorney NJ in 2009. . Thing is , LOL, the “operation” is a goddam perpetual function here in Jersey, LOL, was going on long before Christie came in, sorta like regular vaccuming without necessarily moving the furniture just to keep up.

Anyways, the usual press organs, like here, are percolating up a line against the effrontery of cases being prosecuted, and for the local shmokel consumption here they are trotting out a Donk bullet dodger or two in the mix as excuse for the skank lot of them.

This just in! –

Court Setbacks Put Damper On NJ Corruption Busts
April 1, 2012 5:14 PM

NEWARK, N.J. (AP) — Louis Manzo was preparing to do a radio interview from his family’s shore home on the morning of July 23, 2009, when the FBI called. Hours later, he was being led in handcuffs before TV cameras with dozens of other suspects in New Jersey’s largest political corruption and money laundering sting.

One problem: He was charged with crimes he couldn’t have committed, a federal judge would later rule in two separate opinions.

Manzo, a former state lawmaker, is now a free man after a bruising legal battle to clear his name, an effort that cost him his home, his job and $150,000 in legal fees — expenses he recently filed a motion to have the government reimburse him for.

Manzo’s odyssey has spotlighted the flaws in a 2 1/2-year sting operation that cost millions of dollars to mount and prosecute but never became the type of slam-dunk usually attained in federal investigations.

It has also brought allegations that Chris Christie, who initiated the probe as U.S. attorney, steered it away from Republican officials who later helped him win election as governor. The vast majority of those arrested in the sting were Democrats.

Even for those who have been exonerated, the human cost has been steep.

Joseph Doria, a longtime northern New Jersey politician who headed the state Department of Community Affairs in 2009 under former Gov. Jon Corzine, was never charged with any crimes. But the fallout from images of FBI agents carrying boxes out of his office was enough to force his resignation.

“When you charge someone, particularly a public figure, you essentially ruin their life,” said Rutgers School of Law Dean John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general whose former law firm represented Doria. “It’s almost as if it’s the charge that matters, not what eventually happens. I think there wasn’t enough sensitivity to that reality when these cases were brought. It’s why the government should be very circumspect about charging public officials.”

Doria, who didn’t return a message seeking comment, had acknowledged meeting with the man at the center of the investigation, government cooperator Solomon Dwek. A disgraced real estate speculator and admitted Ponzi schemer, Dwek agreed to wear a wire for the government in a plea deal after his arrest in a $50 million bank fraud.

Oh Ya, same line on offer now in the provincial presses in NJ { the comment threads a hoot as they are uniformly calling BULLSHIT on it for the distraction it is, LOL, folks pretty much demanding heads-on-pikes regardless, LOL}

So there it is. Christie to the Holy Land for the talkin’ to ~~~

One other thing. This is shortly after he stepped up to the mic and offered up a timid Heya to the NYPD – all but along the lines of

So Ya wanna come into Jersey to investigate our Muslims?
Christie’s closer, literally, was, “Just let us know.” trailing off that all he wanted “was a call”. This was right after the pissed off head of FBI NJ, stepped out in rare public comment to the press and openly criticized the NYPD. This is one of the top Feds on Anti Terrorism involved in the FBI decision to NOT frame up that kid Pimentel when Bloomberg and Kelly were looking for a diversion while proceed apace at what they do: clubbing dissenters down wherever and whenever they feel like it.

So ya, the talkin’ to~~~

BooHooHooMan - 3 April 2012

LINK to that last on the FBI presser….

marisacat - 3 April 2012

I think groups should assume they are infiltrated, surveilled….. I mean, if they spy on Quaker anti war meet ups… they will spy on anyone.

I am unsure why MOSQUES think they should be exempt.

Back … maybe 2004 or so an horrific story broke out of CT, librarians investigated under the full fledged anti terror laws… It went on for two years. Educated, white LIBRARIANS…. under the anti terror laws for months they could not even figure out HOW to discuss it amongst themselves, how to tell spouses… Sounds nutty yes?

Get this, at one point they tried contacting Leahy, who was chair of the Judiciary (iirc) and he, as a Senator from VT would nto even speak to them.

Think of it.

Thsi piecemeal idea that my group should be exempt is a guaranteed failure.

Obama is no more the friend than Bushiter was. Or Clinton… or Papa Bush. Etc.

BooHooHooMan - 3 April 2012

I agree. And the turf wars are nothing more than that…left unassailed is the surveillance state itself.

And Leahy? Pfft. So typical.
So, Donk fans ~~ Did Leahy vote to confim Scalia?
In that , uhm, 98-0 vote?

Why YES I think he DID!

marisacat - 3 April 2012

oh yes he did confirm Scalia… and grandly says that he regrets it. “Regrets” and a dollar no longer buy coffee.. Nor much of anything else…

left unassailed is the surveillance state itself


marisacat - 3 April 2012

Speaking of:

I was out of the country only nine days, hardly a blink in time, but time enough, as it happened, for another small, airless room to be added to the American national security labyrinth. On March 22nd, Attorney General Eric Holder and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, Jr. signed off on new guidelines allowing the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), a post-9/11 creation, to hold on to information about Americans in no way known to be connected to terrorism — about you and me, that is — for up to five years. (Its previous outer limit was 180 days.) This, Clapper claimed, “will enable NCTC to accomplish its mission more practically and effectively.”

For most Americans, though, it was just life as we’ve known it since September 11, 2001, since we scared ourselves to death and accepted that just about anything goes, as long as it supposedly involves protecting us from terrorists. Basic information or misinformation, possibly about you, is to be stored away for five years — or until some other attorney general and director of national intelligence think it’s even more practical and effective to keep you on file for 10 years, 20 years, or until death do us part — and it hardly made a ripple.

If Americans were to hoist a flag designed for this moment, it might read “Tread on Me” and use that classic illustration of the boa constrictor swallowing an elephant from Saint-Exupéry’s The Little Prince. That, at least, would catch something of the absurdity of what the National Security Complex has decided to swallow of our American world.



You know in the first years after 9/11 Middle Easterner immigration to the US took a bit of a fall… gee what a shock. But soon it rebounded… and I always wondered WHY?

I would not come here…. I just would not. I am not saying other countries are not reactionary, rightfully or wrongfully, nor that other countries do not engage in internal spying… etc., but here you have a large, armed, volatile, domestic population.

Get real.

diane - 3 April 2012

yup, in the $UZ$, we have a Sanctified Legislated Industrialized Self Hating Violence Culture, no small wonder that Blackwater>xe>Academi!!!!!!! birthed here (must not have abortions, no matter what beast might be born):

But what about the tape dated April 1, 2006, which was shot from the front seat of the fourth car in an armored convoy? Driving along a wide boulevard in Baghdad, the lead vehicle swerved close to the curb of a traffic island. A woman in a black full-length burka began to cross the street. The vehicle struck the woman and knocked her unconscious body into the gutter. The cars slowed for a moment, but did not stop, nor did they even determine whether the victim was dead or alive. A voice in the car taking the video said, “Oh, my God!” Yet no one was heard on the radio requesting help for her. Most sickeningly, the sequence had been set to an AC/DC song, whose pounding, metallic chorus declared: “You’ve been… thunderstruck!”

marisacat - 3 April 2012

Well. You know our ethos. We own everything.

ts - 3 April 2012

Yeah, but he got to be in the Batman movie.

marisacat - 3 April 2012

oh I did not realise it…

One sweet thing this week was the Batman viral vid – and the story behind it…. the guy stopped in full Batman regalia… looked like a black Maserati too.

9. diane - 3 April 2012

Thought of you hon (‘upthread’):

I am listening to a local talk show host, who pretends to oppose the ruling today in strip search, the Florence case…

but of course it is a handy election stick. ….

when I read Glenn’s piece on the Strip Search ‘Ruling’ today, The Obama DOJ and strip searches :

What virtually none of this anti-Florence commentary mentioned, though, was that the Obama DOJ formally urged the Court to reach the conclusion it reached. While the Obama administration and court conservatives have been at odds in a handful of high-profile cases (most notably Citizens United and the health care law), this is yet another case, in a long line, where the Obama administration was able to have its preferred policies judicially endorsed by getting right-wing judges to embrace them:

In 1979, the Supreme Court ruled that in the interest of security, prisons could conduct visual body cavity searches of all detainees after they had contact with outsiders. For years after that ruling, lower courts ruled that the prison had to have a reasonable suspicion that the arrestee was concealing contraband before subjecting him to a strip search upon entering the facility.

But in recent years, some courts have begun to allow a blanket policy to strip search all arrestees.

The Obama administration is siding with the prisons in the case and urging the court to allow a blanket policy for all inmates set to enter the general prison population.

“When you have a rule that treats everyone the same,” Justice Department lawyer Nicole A. Saharsky argued, “you don’t have folks that are singled out. You don’t have any security gaps.”

As The Guardian said yesterday: “The decision was a victory for the jails and for the Obama administration, which argued for an across-the-board rule allowing strip-searches of all those entering the general jail population, even those arrested on minor offenses.” Civil rights lawyer Stephen Bergstein added:

This evidence suggesting that minor offenders are not smuggling contraband into jails was not good enough for the Obama administration, which is asking the Supreme Court to endorse the restrictive strip search policy in Florence. At oral argument, a lawyer for the Obama Justice Department told the Supreme Court that “[p]rotesters…who decide deliberately to get arrested… might be stopped by the police, they see the squad car behind them. They might have a gun or contraband in their car and think hey, I’m going to put that on my person, I just need to get it somewhere that is not going to be found during a patdown search, and then potentially they have the contraband with them.” This position would probably be identical to that advanced by a Republican presidential administration.

What makes the Obama DOJ’s position in favor of this broad strip-search authority particularly remarkable is that federal prisons do not even have this policy. As The New York Times‘ Adam Liptak explained, “the procedures endorsed by the majority are forbidden by statute in at least 10 states and are at odds with the policies of federal authorities. According to a supporting brief filed by the American Bar Association, international human rights treaties also ban the procedures.”

It’s rather strange to so vehemently condemn the ruling in this case as a warped, sadistic police state excess, and not even mention that the Obama DOJ vigorously advocated for this very result.

marisacat - 3 April 2012

Jeezus fuckingloueez.

Between this and the news he wants to undo Head Start (Heritage Foundation is rully happy!)…

People should throw rotten tomatoes at him, esp when he speaks of those tired out props, the effing daughters.

diane - 3 April 2012

oh ..I don’t know, … I think we should all pelt him with Hagus!!!! …. HeadCheese!!!!! ….. Ill prepared Chitlins!!!!!! …. and Gefelte (sorry about the spelling) Fish!!!!!!

diane - 3 April 2012

The fact that Florence was unlawfully arrested (one could easily make the argument (and be correct), for being a ‘successful’ black male), as he had already paid the fine he was arrested for (which apparently isn’t even an arrestable offense in New Jersey), and the fact that unlawful, at the very least petty and maliciously punitive, arrests are rampant in this country makes the “Ruling” a PERMANENT BLOTCH on the “Supreme Court”…. and the near entirety of the Malarial Swamp, in DC.

The case began seven years ago on Route 295 in Burlington County when a New Jersey State Trooper stopped a BMW sport utility vehicle being driven by Florence’s wife. According to court papers, the trooper checked the vehicle’s registration, which was in Florence’s name, and found he was wanted on an outstanding Essex County warrant. Florence, who works as a finance director, said he tried to show the trooper an official letter stating the warrant had been satisfied, but the trooper arrested him anyway.

Florence was taken to the Burlington County jail, where he was subjected to a strip- and cavity search. After six days, he was brought to the Essex County jail and again given a strip- and cavity search, fingerprinted, photographed and put in the general population.

A Superior Court judge ultimately dismissed all the charges and Florence filed a lawsuit in federal court, arguing that the jailhouse searches were unreasonable on the grounds that he was being held for failure to pay a fine — which is not a crime in New Jersey.

U.S. District Judge Joseph H. Rodriguez later ruled in his favor, finding it unconstitutional to strip search every defendant, regardless of their charge.


marisacat - 3 April 2012

Yes the Florence case is horrifying… And he and his wife had the original court doc and copies, showing that he had paid the fine (or whatever it was)….

But it also arose from Appeals court cases in Portland, SF CAlifornia… and hmm i think Atlanta… where undercourts sided with the individual but appeals courts found that a search, unfounded, is legal in detention arrest for

– LEASH LAW, the goddamned fucking leash laws…

– unlicensed driver


– non payment of child support.

fukcing insane.

diane - 3 April 2012

off to do a “strip search” search, not sure what I’ll find, as the walls seem to be increasingly closing on tubes searches, I’m thinking that once they do away with hardcopies (under the auspices of the color [$]Green[$]) it will be immpossible to research anything in the digital world which doesn’t speak well of our Lords and Lordessas.

marisacat - 3 April 2012

moiv says Digby posted the GG… I am having too much computer trouble to open it til I get a fresh connection, but here

Bi partisan Authority Everybody Wants…

diane - 3 April 2012

That’s a pleasant surprise, though I question as to Digby stating that Obama’s support for the ruling was: a little known detail (and it’s kind of hard for the Dems to totally ignore Glenn). It might have been to her, but I’m thinking it wasn’t to most of the Big Dem Boyo Blawwgers ….

diane - 3 April 2012

welp, most of the resulting search links were strip searches that were forced even though the targets were not arrestable (I’m sure the ‘Supremes’ will soon be giving those visual rapes the okey dokey also, some day soon):

Alum sues Georgia Tech for unlawful strip search

Ex-HPD [Houston Texas] officer pleads guilty in unlawful strip search

Lawsuit claims teens’ unlawful strip search in Alcorn [Corinth Mississippi] facility

The NYPD [Bronx] Has a Strip Search Problem

One of the ugliest of the non arrest, strip search rapes was done on a minor, during class hours, in Safford, Arizona:

ACLU Challenges Unlawful Strip Search Over Ibuprofen Allegation In School

…a 13-year-old girl unconstitutionally strip searched by school officials after a classmate’s uncorroborated accusation of ibuprofen possession. A divided three-judge panel of the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled the search constitutional on September 21, 2007. The panel’s 2-1 decision, which greatly expands the circumstances under which schools may strip search students, will now be reviewed by the full Ninth Circuit .

“All it took in this case was one student pointing the finger at another to trigger a humiliating strip search of a teenage girl by school officials,” said Adam Wolf, an attorney with the ACLU Drug Law Reform Project. “It defies common sense and violates the Constitution for people – especially adolescents – to be strip searched for ibuprofen based solely on the uncorroborated claims of another student trying to get herself out of trouble.”

“Except for emergency situations, few circumstances ever warrant such harmful intrusions,” said Andrew Petersen, an attorney with the law firm Humphrey & Peterson co-representing Redding. “This school treated strip searches as no big deal, although courts and educational leaders have warned against conducting them for many years. Several states prohibit school strip searches by statute and most schools have adopted policies prohibiting or severely restricting them.”

Savana Redding, an eighth grade honor roll student at Safford Middle School in Safford, Arizona, was pulled from class on October 8, 2003 by the school’s vice principal, Kerry Wilson. Earlier that day, Wilson had discovered prescription-strength ibuprofen – 400 milligram pills equivalent to two over-the-counter ibuprofen pills, such as Advil – in the possession of Redding’s classmate. Safford maintains a zero-tolerance policy toward all prescription medicines, including prescription-strength ibuprofen. Under questioning and faced with punishment, the classmate claimed that Redding, who had no history of disciplinary problems or substance abuse, had given her the pills.

After escorting Redding to his office, Wilson presented Redding with the ibuprofen pills and informed her of her classmate’s accusations. Redding said she had never seen the pills before and agreed to a search of her possessions, wanting to prove she had nothing to hide. Joined by a female school administrative assistant, Wilson searched Redding’s backpack and found nothing. Instructed by Wilson, the administrative assistant then took Redding to the school nurse’s office in order to perform a strip search.

In the school nurse’s office, Redding was ordered to strip to her underwear. She was then commanded to pull her bra out and to the side, exposing her breasts, and to pull her underwear out at the crotch, exposing her pelvic area. The strip search failed to uncover any ibuprofen pills.


These are the jail/prison related strip search links that came up on the first search results page (other than the Florence case and April 2012 links commenting on the “Ruling”):

ohhhhh Cali/Disney/HollowWood! …..

…female inmates are strip searched in plain view of each other in a parking lot that is neither private nor sanitary. ….


[Cook] County [Illinois] Settles Jail Strip-Search Case for $55M :

In February 2009, U.S. District Judge Matthew Kennelly faulted the jail for strip-searching people who were awaiting bail on minor crimes like traffic violations. He also found that the jail would perform the searches “by needlessly humiliating the detainees with group strip searches of upwards of 100 people at a time standing shoulder to shoulder in unsanitary conditions.”

More than 400 class members submitted affidavits attesting that “guards used insults or abusive language during strip searches,” the law firm said. “These included insults about body odor, anatomy, sexual orientation, and race.”

I’m sure the Captive Men’s Shower & Baths Warrior, Rahm, is now celebrating putting those sorts of penalties behind after putting abundant, behind the scenes energy into yesterday’s “Ruling.”

marisacat - 3 April 2012

Unless it is another one, the 13 year old / Ibuprofen case came to the SCOTUS a couple years ago… Only because of Ginsberg who I think may have written the decision did it come down in her favor. The men did not understand why this was such an issue. Tells you something about what dumb bullocks of teens they were, young boys can often be very fragile.

No one likes to be sexually assaulted, which is what happened to the girl in her school. And then of course she never had the damned suspect OTC fucking ibuprofen, anyway…

diane - 4 April 2012

I can imagine a point in the very near future, especially with Ginsberg retired, when any decision that miraculously makes its way to the “Supreme Court” will be decided in favor of ‘Lawful’ Rape by all in the position of Authority. Hell it’s been at that point for millions anyway, because most are not able to even ‘take on’ THE LAW in the courts.

marisacat - 4 April 2012

Did you ever see the documentary “Hot Coffee” ??? Really good on how elusive justice is in the courts for civilian plaintiffs…

It’s about more than the McDonald’s hot cofee case…

diane - 4 April 2012

No I haven’t, will keep my eye out for. Yeah, the BLOTCH on this “Nation” is that there never has been equal representation, and millions live in fear for the better part of their lives, despite astounding security and wealth right down the street from them.

marisacat - 4 April 2012

Netflix has it… so I assume others do too…

diane - 4 April 2012

maybe I can find it in a library, it’s been so wonderful over the years how libraries have carried not only books, but music and movies. Breaks my heart to see all of the scanner bots that have replaced librarians, and the hefty fees for the better libraries if a person lives somewhere with a shitty library, in Sly Con Valley.

marisacat - 3 April 2012

Oh THANK YOU For that, I have already cut and paste and sent it around…

Fuck him. That and Head Start… jesusfuckingchrist.

diane - 3 April 2012

thank you, … for allowing the voicing of it, … honey.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2012

Black Marine veteran, 68, shot dead by police after wearable medical alert gadget went off in error

Just heartbreaking interview w/ the man’s son.

The link above links to the Democracy Now transcript:

AMY GOODMAN: You’re holding your father’s ID card, as well?

KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN, JR.: Yes. I have his Marine ring and his veteran’s card. My father was—

AMY GOODMAN: We’re talking to Kenneth Chamberlain, Jr., the son of Kenneth Chamberlain, Sr., who was killed by police on November 19th, 2011, in his home. His medical alert pendant went off, and the company called the police to check on him.


AMY GOODMAN: Go ahead, Ken. It’s fine.

KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN, JR.: Yes, I have his Marine ring, his veteran’s card. He was proud to be a marine. And even on the audio, you hear the police officers making fun of the fact that he was a marine. And—

AMY GOODMAN: What do you mean?

KENNETH CHAMBERLAIN, JR.: They asked my father to open the door. He refused. He said, “I’m not opening my door.” They said something to the effect that they were going to knock it down. He said, “I won’t let you in.” And he said “Semper Fi.” So they said, “Oh, you’re a marine. Hoo-rah. Hoo-rah.” And this is somebody that served this country. Why would you even say that to him? And my father always said, “Once a marine, always a marine,” if he was ever in trouble and couldn’t get help from anybody else, to call on a marine. And a lot of those things come back now, where things that I had—just I thought went in one ear and right out the other, but in light of these things, when you hear the audio, when you look at the video, all of these things come back.

And in 45 years of me being on this earth, that was the very first time that I ever heard my father where he was pleading and begging for his life, someone who I looked at as being extremely strong, to hear him beg for his life, to say that this was his sworn testimony on the audio, which the police did not know that was being recorded. He said, “My name is Kenneth Chamberlain. This is my sworn testimony. White Plains police are going to come in here and kill me.”

JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, and the amazing thing about this is that they were supposed to come there to assist him—


JUAN GONZALEZ: —that there was no indication of any kind of a crime—


JUAN GONZALEZ: —and that he would have depended on them for help, and instead this happens.

RANDOLPH McLAUGHLIN: I think it’s important—you know, we’re lawyers. This is what we do. But I think it’s important to always remember and look at this case not as a case, but as a human being who lost his life over a needless situation, and look at the impact that this kind of senseless killing has on his family. This man lost his father. He gets a call at 5 a.m. “My father is in—having a difficult” — why didn’t they call him? He could have been there in five minutes. I mean, the lack of professionalism in this department is shocking. The fact that they—that no public official in the city of White Plains has come and said to this man, “I’m sorry over the loss of your father.” I mean, Mayor Bloomberg has done that in New York. Whether I agree with everything he’s done, at least he has the decency to do that. No one has reached out to this man at all.

So, we have prepared to take this case to the fullest extent. We filed a notice of claim on behalf of the family, and we’re waiting a little time to give the DA a chance to do what she has to do. But if they don’t do the right thing in White Plains, we’re coming to Manhattan to seek justice in the Department of Justice with the U.S. attorney’s office.

Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2012
marisacat - 3 April 2012

Fortunately now and in the past few weeks there is an uptick of interest in this case, but … think it happened in Nov of last year? they really struggled to get it noticed, from what I have read…

Oh re reading I see it was November…

So very sad.

Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2012

and months and months of stonewalling …

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2012

Mike Bloomberg’s New York: Cops in Your Hallways

An amazing lawsuit was filed in New York last week. It seems Mike Bloomberg’s notorious “stop-and-frisk” policy – known colloquially in these parts by silently-cheering white voters as the “Let’s have cops feel up any nonwhite person caught walking in the wrong neighborhood” policy – isn’t even the most repressive search policy in the NYPD arsenal.

Bloomberg, that great crossover Republican, has long been celebrated by the Upper West Side bourgeoisie for his enlightened views on gay rights and the environment, but also targeted for criticism by civil rights activists because of stop-and-frisk, a program that led to a record 684,330 street searches just last year.

Now he’s under fire for a program he inherited, which goes by the darkly Bushian name of the “Clean Halls program.” In effect since 1991, it allows police to execute so-called “vertical patrols” by going up into private buildings and conducting stop-and-frisk searches in hallways – with the landlord’s permission.

According to the NYCLU, which filed the suit, “virtually every private apartment building [in the Bronx] is enrolled in the program,” and “in Manhattan alone, there are at least 3,895 Clean Halls Buildings.” Referring to the NYPD’s own data, the complaint says police conducted 240,000 “vertical patrols” in the year 2003 alone.

If you live in a Clean Halls building, you can’t even go out to take out the trash without carrying an ID – and even that might not be enough. If you go out for any reason, there may be police in the hallways, demanding that you explain yourself, and insisting, in brazenly illegal and unconstitutional fashion, on searches of your person.

Jeebus … I can’t believe I never heard of this crazy shit before.

Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2012

According to the suit, Mrs. Ligon in August of last year sent her son J.G. to go to the store to get ketchup. He went to the store, got the ketchup, and started home. Just outside the door to his apartment, he was stopped by four policemen, two in uniform and two in plain clothes. They ask him why he’s going into the building. He explains, produces identification, and even shows the police the ketchup in his bag. But that’s not enough. After that:

… One officer asked J.G. to identify the apartment in which he lived. J.G. responded, telling the officer his family’s apartment number. The officers then rang the bell to Ms. Ligon’s apartment. Over the intercom, Ms. Ligon heard a man say that he was a police officer, and he needed her to come down to identify her son.

Terrified that J.G. was injured or dead, Ms. Ligon ran out of the apartment to find out what had happened to J.G. As she approached the lobby she saw J.G. standing just outside the vestibule near the mailboxes, surrounded by four officers. She collapsed and began weeping. One officer began laughing, asked Ms. Ligon if J.G. was her son, and handed her the ketchup.

sick fucking assholes.

marisacat - 3 April 2012

I wish people would realise they HATE EVERYONE. finally.

If the cops raping women in NYC and the fucking DA Cyrus Vance being such a total fuck up and the cases being utterly screwedddd up did not awaken anyone, nothing will. One cop raped a woman who testified against him, as revenge.

marisacat - 3 April 2012

ugh I couldn’t live with that level of intrusion, right inside my building. Hell it makes the whole gated community concept look LOOSE.

ID can be demanded when you take your own garbage out?

Fucking hell.

Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2012

I can’t believe no one has sued over it until now.

marisacat - 3 April 2012

I think it is absolutely appalling that New Yorkers accept this. The whole thing, and so many things now, jsut smell of
N a z i. Totalitarian.


marisacat - 3 April 2012

I see re reading it has been in since ’91… so Guiliani, if I am remembering years right. Honestly I don’t know what to say anymore. And I am sure it ramped WAY up after 9/11

Madman in the Marketplace - 4 April 2012

Rudy put in place so much of this sort of shit.

marisacat - 4 April 2012

He was so hateful… is so hateful. Lotta horrible mayors of NYC ugh Koch is another….

lucid72 - 4 April 2012

’91 would have been Dinkins.

marisacat - 4 April 2012


thanks for that…

marisacat - 4 April 2012

btw lucid… do you know anyone who lives in one of these buildings… and how pervasive is the intrusion?

diane - 3 April 2012

I think the main reason for the lack of lawsuits is that other than class action suits, it is impossible to find attornies to represent a client with minimal resources and no one powerful in their corner.

I can’t recollect ever seeing a Civil Rights Attorney listed in the Yellow Pages, and over the years, I’ve looked numerous times. There has never, ever, been equal legal representation in this country. What legal representation there is for people with few resources and no power, is based on a Lottery System, and then, they better be prepared to kiss plenty ass and promise to vote Dem …. at the end of the day.

marisacat - 3 April 2012

Well the Firm that Slobby worked for in Chicago, Judson Miner, calls itself a Civil Rights law firm, but it is really a fixer and facilitator firm. Go between firm…

One thing that DOES surprise me is that no one, with an atty RELATIVE, has not sued. It’s very hard to get attys to take small cases…. I doubt Elena Kagan’s dead dad is interested! 😆 … 🙄

But this is ripe for public interest law… which is who I assume handles what little agitation there is over this nasty law.

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 April 2012
13. marisacat - 4 April 2012



….. 😆 … 🙄

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