“…relatively little interest…” 26 November 2008
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Afghanistan War, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iraq War, Pakistan, WAR!.trackback
A file photo from 2004 showing an outdoor solitary confinement cell at Abu Ghraib, Iraq. [AP via Spiegel]
Mark Danner has a piece up in NYRoB… appropriate title, Frozen Scandals:
[T]he story of how this happened is long and elaborate but one thing is clear: it has not happened for lack of revelation. The Abu Ghraib scandal broke in the spring of 2004. The images of Hooded Man, Leashed Man, Man Menaced by Dog—all quickly became “iconic,” the stuff of end-of-the-year news tableaux and faded murals on the walls of minor cities in the Middle East. This first and last occasion when torture became vivid, fertile scandal—when torture emerged, thanks to the photographs, as that most valuable of products: televisual scandal—came and went in the spring and summer of 2004, leaving a harvest of rapidly aging images and leaked documents. Those documents—many hundreds of pages, which told in great and precise detail the story of how United States officials, from the President on down, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks to order Americans to torture—were quickly published by journalists and writers, myself included, who no doubt expected that the investigative committees, the televised hearings, and the prison sentences would quickly follow.[2]
In the event, the investigations did come, a dozen or more of them, and their very proliferation was the means by which the story was converted from shocking crime into perpetual news, then minor story, and then, at last, “key issue.” But for a handful of hapless soldiers—the smallest of small fish —there were no real prosecutions, no images of high officials in handcuffs. The leakers, who had risked their careers to make the documents public, must have been profoundly disappointed. For it was they, as it happened, who had committed one of the era’s signal crimes: unguarded idealism. At Guantánamo, at the “dark sites,” at various venues around the world, known and unknown, torture continued, even as it was studied and passed by due legislative oversight into the law of the land. Only the courts seemed, intermittently, to have a different idea. And all the while the torture story was well reported, mostly in the newspapers—for after that initial rush of photographs, which quickly became cliché, there followed nothing juicy enough to raise the story to the golden level of the televisual—and it continued to be reported even as it made its way through the complicated and mysterious transformational process by which a war crime becomes a “key issue.”
All the while, it must be said, the public, that repository of right, showed relatively little interest. Neither, following the lead of their constituents, did the politicians. John Kerry, running for president in the immediate wake of Abu Ghraib—and perhaps remembering his own unrecompensed temerity in calling attention, as a young returning vet, to war crimes in Vietnam—hardly mentioned it. ::snip::
The nation’s epitaph is in there, somewhere…
Danner also manages a couple of grafs on our perpetual state of war..
Wars are immensely valuable to those who sit atop “hierarchical societies” because they supply an overarching rationale for power and its expansion while choking off questions, not least by increasingly limiting the information on which those questions must be based. The War on Terror, of course, has been far from bloodless, embodying itself in at least two “real” wars—one of which, in Afghanistan, was launched to respond directly to attack; the other, in Iraq, to achieve less specific, more grandiose goals—as well as in a great number of secret operations of varying ambition carried out “on the dark side.” Still, unbounded as it is in space and time, serving as it has as a handy and near-inexhaustible rationale for accruing centralized power, the War on Terror has approached as close as we have yet come in reality to Orwell’s imagined perpetual war, accruing to those in control the increased power that comes with war but without the endless costs. Or it would have, had the war not brought in its train its own frozen scandal.
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How will history choose to explain a war launched in the cause of ridding the world of weapons of mass destruction that turned out not to exist? It is a tantalizing question. Will the Iraq War take its place as a historical curiosity, alongside the Guano War of the nineteenth nentury or the Soccer War of the twentieth? And how interested will our descendants be in the response of our democratic polity: the investigations that, like dinosaurs slowly rousing themselves from the mudhole, ever so slowly got under way and then, after years of lumbering effort—hundreds of hours of testimony, thousands of documents examined—finally discovered…what? In the end, there was, alas, no “smoking gun.”
…one of which, in Afghanistan, was launched to respond directly to attack…
I don’t believe we went into Afghanistan purely or even largely in response to 9/11, handy tho it was… If that were the reason (meaning we had cared), we would have done something about the ISI in Pakistan and something, tho I cannot fathom what, about elements in S Arabia. What we did do was glom onto a pivotal piece, a big piece, of regional RE… and deal ourselves in, big time, on the largest cash crop of opium in the world.
And, of course, pound wedding parties to blood then pound the blood into the dust.
Other than that, a good take on “we’ve always been at war with Eastasia…”
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From time to time I drag myself thru the boring writing of Ross Douthat, in that governmental prop, The Atlantic…I gather he is a rising young(ish) conservative… I spied this today… (full text)
25 Nov 2008 08:57 pm
That Didn’t Take Long
Me, last week:
Obama already made fans of Niall Ferguson and Eli Lake; by 2012, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s converted Max Boot as well.
Max Boot, today:
As someone who was skeptical of Obama’s moderate posturing during the campaign, I have to admit that I am gobsmacked by these appointments , most of which could just as easily have come from a President McCain … Only churlish partisans of both the left and the right can be unhappy with the emerging tenor of our nation’s new leadership.
Take it away, Massie
… most of which could just as easily have come from a President McCain …
NO SHIT. One exception appears to be Melody Barnes, part of the financial scheme. She comes from Podesta’s org and was apparently intemperate enough, once anyway, to state that you can be religious and pro-choice. Donoghue of the Catholic League is after her. Bluster, I would say…
Douthat’s entry twins nicely with this, which someone kindly emailed me…(full text):
A senior Obama campaign official shared with The Washington Note and Huffington Post that in July 2008, the McCain and Obama camps began to work secretly behind the scenes to assemble large rosters of potential personnel for the administration that only one of the candidates would lead.
Lists comprised of Democrats and Republicans were assembled, sorted into areas of policy expertise, so that the roster could be called on after the election by either the Obama or McCain transition teams.
This kind of out-of-sight coordination is rare between battling presidential camps and provides some indication that both Obama and McCain intended to draw expertise into their governments from both sides of the aisle — or at least they wanted to appear interested in doing so if the information leaked out about the list development process.
Fascinating tidbit on cooperation behind battle lines.
— Steve Clemons publishes the popular political blog, The Washington Note
I’d call it cosy collusion, as both players know the rule book, rather than “cooperation”.
And I am happy to be churlish, if the flip side is being MAX BOOT. Or any of the liverish, jelly fish-i-fied for the ages, Democrats.
“What the American people want more than anything is just common-sense, smart government,” Obama said. “They don’t want ideology; they don’t want bickering; they don’t want sniping.” — boston.com
Frankly I’d rather they DID NOT WANT their pockets picked.
He traded on that Food Stamp story over and over again, he and Congress can fucking well come thru…
“single mother on Food Stamps…” blah blah blah blah. Do something about it.
I don’t know who this John Ross is, but he does nto hold back. As for his picture of SF General.. it can be that bad, certainly for 35 years that I know of…
3. Ehhh. Makes some good, if very general points but he might be more credible if he could spell “Barack Obama” (one r) right. This is just sort of smug ranting that I’m not sure we need either (“I don’t have a job” – apparently eats out of trash cans? AND has an e-mail address?)
Depression is not, in fact, the Great Equalizer because during the last one, the very rich (ie FDR) took over because they wanted to protect their interests. War ensued. (and yes, the Germans started it but their own rich families made sure it would happen too). Except FDR clearly understood there was a real threat to his way of life; organized leftism. There isn’t any such animal today and so today’s FDRs can afford (and profit by) being incompetent.
A couple years ago if someone said this was going to unfold, you’d be called a fringe element. Now if someone says that people better get ready for all-out war (as opposed to these expensive but low-level adventures the U.S. military gets sent on), you’ll also be called a kook. As for me, I’m thinking about the most efficient and sensible ways to stock up on soap, shampoo and other sanitary products.
Isn’t “Barack” spelled with one “r”?
“Barack Fucking Obama!” ??
He spelled it once with two “r”s, several times correctly… I call that ” typo”. I think people just submit their writings to C-punch, that there is no editorial overview.
I am more troubled by the image of everyone applauding his name. Common as those stories are… IF true (that instance) it sadly fits that people (including here, ER docs and others) who bought the lines think obama has promised single payer. And supports gay marriage. Etc. All of which has been reported.
On and on.
I am surprised at how blunt Sheer is… because imo he has too often punted for the Dems…
Did all these people really believe? It’s pathetic.
Not that it matters, as soon we shall be saved! One more Bail Out! Just around the corner! In sight! Maybe people should just call Obama: Mama! Mama!
Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:
Consumer Spending Falls 1 Percent in October in Largest Drop Since Sept. 11 Attacks [8:46 a.m. ET]
Hedges, obviously belongs to the “churlish left” that Max Boot decries…
In an article on poverty.
8. The questioning I’m pondering right now is whether we will see continued deflation (which has started, prompting the irrational moves this week to kick-start the credit economy), or if hyperinflation will start. It all depends on whether this money that the government appears to be printing, actually gets into people’s paychecks. If it does, we will have inflation.
Deflation lowers prices, but also endangers people’s jobs (more of a classic depression). Inflation is also bad, but particularly for the older and poorer. All things considered, I’d take deflation. Deflation seems more likely to spur political organization.
PS, the Baltic Dry Index I mentioned yesterday? It’s simply going through the floor today.
http://www.dryships.com/index.cfm?get=report
Bad.
I am expecting deflation.
3. That’s John Ross the 60-sumpin’ indie journalist who writes frequently on Mexican politics – a coupla books on the Zapatistas worth reading, Murdered by Capitalism on the Am Left, an anthology on basketball from Richard Grossinger’s eclectic North Atlantic Press, & some political poetry I find mostly tedious. Has bay area ties.
believe it or not, lots of intelligent people in this country get by w/out a ‘regular’ job/paycheck . . .
I know people get by without regular jobs, but they get their income from something, and that something is usually tied to the “system” they decry.
13. don’t know anyone who’s claimed otherwise . . .
Michael Hudson last June:
new post from Dahr Jamail, who seems to be part of hte churlish left:
Re #8:
Oh, as I keep telling mr_xeno:
“Stop it, Obama, or– or– your followers will say ‘STOP’ again !”
Feh.
Good live Twitter coverage of Mumbai attacks from local people.
LOL Sully approves of “neocon Max Boot” getting Obama…
…Only churlish partisans of both the left and the right can be unhappy with the emerging tenor of our nation’s new leadership. — Max Boot
This was all fairly obvious to anyone paying attention. — Sully
Not a damn thing to do but laugh and stock up on comestibles.
Thank Gawd Daily Kos is coming out against the “radical left” — I was worried the site was going to veer progressive now that Obama is prez.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/26/134511/57/613/665524
From the transition’s new chief national security spokesperson, Brooke Anderson:
“President-Elect Obama strongly condemns today’s terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and his thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families, and the people of India. These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism. The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks. We stand with the people of India, whose democracy will prove far more resilient than the hateful ideology that led to these attacks.”
…veer progressive… — cad
Never fear! Not possible!
😉
Why CNN Struggles to Cover The Economic Panic
The Ideology of No Ideology
Torture and the rule of law: Did Bush just call Democrats’ bluff?
Yup, and I don’t know why anybody is surprised.
hmm think it is safe to say a good portion of southern Mumbai has collapsed into total loss of control..
San Francisco, Friday: Iraq Veterans Against the War to Occupy Union Square
Otherwise known as OHBAHMAH. Incoming Dem presidents are the best friend outgoing R ever had.
Board rules against Franken in Minnesota Senate recount
A peanuts thanksgiving.
The Lowest of the Low
“It Can’t Happen to ME!”
[fixed the link — Mcat]
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madman… link went awry… 😯
oops, “It Can’t Happen to ME!”
dkos isn’t the only “community” blog in meltdown today. seems the last women standing over at son-of-smegmablog appear to be abandoning ship.
saw that coming back in V 1.0.
but i’m wondering. with the the cock-walk-and-strut mating display seemingly out of the picture now, what will that collection of intemperate assholes use to maintain interest in their rapidly failing experiment?
mail-order thread-brides?
oh that was funny bay. Thread brides.
Ob pleases yet another conservative… Peter Wehner in Commentary, a denizen of The Corner – Schnauzerlandia.
Love how rightie idealogues constantly instruct anyone else not be such. And the little jellyfish line right up for gold stars.
Personally, I think between Gates and Petraeus (some righties are liking Jim Jones as well and see the incoming hand of Scowcroft too) I’m calling it for Afghanistan: Surge Baby Surge.
So different from drill baby drill? No its not.
Afghanistan AND Somalia.
I can’t believe that people still fall for this rightward push, that they don’t understand that the donks will continue to fuck over the country as long as their supporters keep letting them.
Labor sec. not on econ team
He ignores them because he knows that they will
FALL
IN
LINE
no matter what he does.
It’s so fucking obvious, yet the same pattern repeats, over and over again.
Afghanistan AND Somalia. — MitM
and Congo and Darfur…. and where ever else (Burma/Myanmar?)… Hell we may invade the south end of Mumbai if this is not over by tomorrow.
Mumbai is horrible.
Above all else, protect “democracy”, LOL:
#4 NYCO wrote:
“This is just sort of smug ranting that I’m not sure we need either (”I don’t have a job” – apparently eats out of trash cans? AND has an e-mail address?)”
You can go to any library & access online & your email address for free. Perhaps he does it that way.
new thread…
LINK
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You can go to any library & access online & your email address for free. Perhaps he does it that way.
Yes, and the library is supported by the taxes of the people who hold regular jobs, a lifestyle the writer seems to hold in great disdain. (I’m sorry that I must sound like such a stick in the mud on this one!)