Hell if I know……….. 8 February 2008
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, The Battle for New Orleans.trackback
Obama at Dookie Chase in New Orleans, having gumbo…. [AP]
From the Times-Picayune report on his visit:
[B]efore heading to Omaha, Neb., Obama stopped at Dooky Chase’s restaurant in Treme for a lunch of chicken, sausage and shrimp gumbo with the restaurant’s 85-year-old owner, Leah Chase.
“You’re too frail, baby. I have to fatten you up,” Chase said to the lean Obama.
Chase, who is struggling to get her iconic restaurant back to full strength after Katrina, said she likes Obama, even though she’s always been close with President Bush. In explaining her change in allegiance, she summed up the message Obama hopes voters take to heart.
“Things move along, things change,” she said. ::snip::
And, what else is new…. hard on his heels is Bill, for a 12 hour swing thru Louisiana…
Bill Clinton to campaign in New Orleans on Friday
by The Times-Picayune
Thursday February 07, 2008, 5:10 PMFormer President Bill Clinton will make at least five stops in Louisiana on Friday to stump for his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, the campaign reported Thursday afternoonThough the candidate is not expected to visit Louisiana before Saturday’s primary, her husband will headline events in New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Lafayette, Lake Charles and Monroe during a 12-hour swing through the Bayou State, campaign spokeswoman Cheron Brylski said in an e-mail.
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Meanwhile… Louisiana pols hedge their bets. Mary is declining to endorse:
Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., who will run for re-election in the fall on a ballot headed by her party’s presidential candidate, said she’ll support the party nominee. But before the primary, Landrieu said, she isn’t ready to choose among two Democratic colleagues, Hillary Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois, who are locked in a tight race for the party’s nomination.
Landrieu said she’s happy that both candidates are drawing enthusiastic crowds and that turnout for Democratic primaries is exceeding turnout for GOP primaries.
… Vitter, who had endorsed Guiliani, is sitting still.
As for the rest:
New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, a Democrat, said he remains undecided on whether to support Obama or Clinton.
In an e-mail, Nagin said he is “waiting to see what their specific platforms are relative to supporting the full recovery of New Orleans.” So far, Nagin said, he has heard pieces, but not their “whole plans.”
Also not endorsing before Saturday’s Louisiana primaries are Reps. William Jefferson, D-New Orleans, and Charlie Melancon, D-Napoleonville. Rep. Charles Boustany, R-Lafayette, who like Vitter backed Giuliani; and Reps. Rodney Alexander, R-Quitman; and Jim McCrery, R-Shreveport, who supported Romney, said they aren’t ready to endorse a candidate among the three major Republican candidates remaining: McCain, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Rep. Ron Paul of Texas .
Also not endorsing a candidate before the primaries were Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard and St. Bernard Parish President Craig Taffaro, both Democrats, and St. Tammany Parish President Kevin Davis, a Republican. ::snip::
Obviously, the offerings have not been good enough.
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Nebraska (Feb. 9 caucus): Obama has been dominant in caucus contests so far in the race and that’s almost certain to continue in the Cornhusker State. Obama is stopping in Omaha today and his wife, Michelle, will make a stop in Lincoln. Obama has Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), Omaha Mayor Mike Fahey and Lincoln Mayor Chris Beutler on his side. The Clintons have never enjoyed a particularly close relationship with Nebraska, although they do have former senator and governor Bob Kerrey as an endorser.
*Louisiana (Feb. 9 primary): The Bayou State has a significant African-American population (32 percent according to the 2000 census) and given Obama’s dominance among that key voting bloc it’s hard to see how Clinton can beat him here.
* Washington (Feb. 9 caucus): Another caucus here, which should — in theory — play to Obama’s strengths. So, too, should strong progressive community in the state and the highly educated, affluent nature of the expected electorate. Clinton will not roll over here, however, as she has senior Sen. Patty Murray (D) on her side. One savvy Democratic operative with long ties also points out that the state loves to vote for women — Murray and Sen. Maria Cantwell as well as Gov. Christine Gregoire (D) to name a few — and that could/should help Clinton. Obama starts with an edge here but this is one of the states in which Clinton will fight.
* Maine (Feb. 10 caucus): Although Maine holds a caucus, this is a state where Clinton is putting on a serious effort to win. Former president Bill Clinton will be in Portland tonight and Sen. Clinton will hold a rally in Orono on Saturday. She has the support of Gov. John Baldacci (D) and sees Maine as a chance to break up a potential string of Obama victories on Saturday as well as demonstrate the strength of her support in the Northeast. Women are expected to be a significant portion of the electorate as well, which should work to Clinton’s benefit. Obama isn’t handing the state over, having sent Rob Hill, who handled the campaign’s field efforts in New Hampshire’s primary, to Maine just after that state’s vote on Jan. 8.
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Oh right, the wars are so gonna end. This from Michael Gordon, who, imo spent the formative years of the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions, occupations and on going widening regional wars in Wolfowitz’s hankie pocket… along for the ride…
[T]he manual describes the United States as facing an era of “persistent conflict” in which the American military will often operate among civilians in countries where local institutions are fragile and efforts to win over a wary population are vital.
Lt. Gen. William B. Caldwell IV, the commander of the Army’s Combined Arms Center at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas, began briefing lawmakers on the document on Thursday. In an interview, he called it a “blueprint to operate over the next 10 to 15 years.”
“Army doctrine now equally weights tasks dealing with the population — stability or civil support — with those related to offensive and defensive operations,” the manual states. “Winning battles and engagements is important but alone is not sufficient. Shaping the civil situation is just as important to success.”
In both Iraq and Afghanistan, the military is enmeshed in rebuilding local institutions, helping to restore essential services and safeguarding a vulnerable population. [Isn’t that a sweet, sweet, sweet description of massive counterinsurgency ops on the ground and equally massive air bombing? — Mcat] The new manual is an attempt to put these endeavors — along with counterinsurgency warfare — at the core of military training, planning and operations. That would require some important changes. “There is going to be some resistance,” General Caldwell said. “There will be people who will hear and understand what we are saying, but it is going to take some time to inculcate that into our culture.”
“Shaping the civil situation…”, cute, It’s all about stabilisation and pacification. The Democrats have no intention of being a “pocket of resistance”. Never did… Not a one of them. Not really.
Again, disband the Out of Iraq group, they should apologise for having been a sideshow and nominate Barney the WH dog to the senate. It cannot get worse.
“The operational environment will remain a dirty, frightening, physically and emotionally draining one in which death and destruction result from environmental conditions creating humanitarian crisis as well as conflict itself,” the manual states. It will be an arena, the manual notes, in which success depends not only on force in defeating an enemy but also “how quickly a state of stability can be established and maintained.”
Elsewhere in the article it lauds the operations in Tal Afar, which occured simultaneous with New Orleans in Fall of 2005. Sy Hersh has said that officers serving in the battlespace used the word “genocide” to describe our operations in Tal Afar.
I read very little about the war, the wars, now, it is what is, it will not end. Occasionally as I do mundane things, I catch a vision of our gulags, in the corner of my eye.
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Marisacat 
Madman in the last thread:
“…threatening to not vote en masse… is the ONLY way to get their attention… and it works…”
I’ve been saying that for years.
Well, whatever the average DP voter might be for, they are not for rudeness or for making demands.
Except toward/of those on their Left. Their “betters” pick on the weak, so naturally the rank and file search for their own weaker targets to pick on. Emulation is the name of the game, and they emulate the powerful, not the powerless.
BTW, I’ve noticed that almost everywhere in Blogland where I read about the McKinney campaign, there magically appears some anonymous skeptic anxious to provide link-free and source-free info about how McKinney was racist towards Al Gore, got rich off corporate subsidies, etc.
I don’t mind skeptics per se and I don’t mind posting under a name that’s not your real one, but– please, People. If you want me to take your misgivings seriously, at least make up a fake name. Show some effort, Please ! And cite a fucking source while you’re at it. McKinney has a billion detractors all up and down the political spectrum, so it shouldn’t be all that hard.
I’ve seen that video where McKinney’s security detail (the New Black Panther Party) is spewing out anti-semitic slurs against members of the media.
Using the New Black Panther Party as security is spectacularly bad judgement IMHO. It sets up supporters to be humiliated.
FWIW, the New Black Panthers are no big scary deal. I’ve photographed their rallies a couple of times out in Queens where I was one of 9 or 10 only white people out of thousands.
http://www.pbase.com/srogouski/seanbell120207
It’ all rhetoric. I wouldn’t think of being around that many white supremacists. THAT would be scary.
But come on. Using them as security is just dumb.
Well, whatever the average DP voter might be for, they are not for rudeness or for making demands.
I was thinking the same thing yesterday when I caught Bay Buchanan on one of the cable shows discussing Romney’s withdrawal. She was rabid about what conservatives want from their nominee and that they wouldn’t settle for less. It was all aimed at McCain, of course, but her list of demands was very clear and she was unflappable. I haven’t seen a hard edge on the issues like that from any Dem talking head.
This from Michael Gordon, who, imo spent the formative years of the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions, occupations and on going widening regional wars in Wolfowitz’s hankie pocket… along for the ride…
He’s the WH’s designated media sockpuppet stenographer for throwing out trial balloons to see how they’ll fly.
And I don’t see how “Shaping the civil situation…” is any different from Obama’s promise to “remake the world” (in America’s image):
Catnip, you’ve hit on why I don’t have the patience any more to read some liberal U.S. blog where everyone’s getting in line to make fun of radical Christian marchers and the like.
It was fun at first, but eventually it dawned on me that U.S. liberals don’t really hate these people so much as envy them their nerve and sense of entitlement. The demonstrators are the mirror image of what U.S. liberals would be if they had any real faith in their professed beliefs.
Actually they either lack faith, or deep down they want what Bay Bucchanan wants, only in a nicer more genteel way. I no longer care enough to try and puzzle out which one is true, or whether both these things could be true.
The DP and the GOP may as well merge and be done with it. At least then they could lay off all the redundant employees/voters. Perhaps U.S. liberals would finally have an epiphany during their newfound free time. Not that I’m holding my breath. :p
“Using the New Black Panther Party as security is spectacularly bad judgement IMHO. It sets up supporters to be humiliated.”
Absolutely. I don’t think McKinney is cool at all.
Gates: what a condescending asshole.
It was bad enough when he said the allies didn’t know how to fight the insurgency. Now this.
But the NYT sees it this way:
What a trooper!
That is simply untrue, with violence increasing over the past year. Who is he? Rumsfeld?
80% of the money the US military has spent in Afghanistan has gone to military expenditures. Only 20% has gone to reconstruction.
Meet the new deluded SecDef.
U.S. liberals don’t really hate these people so much as envy them their nerve and sense of entitlement.
You’re right. How many times has kos said that he admires the right’s tactics? Yet, when it comes down to it, his solution is to send more money to the Dems, bitch about the results and write more letters. It isn’t working. And, when they get someone who does demand results – like OPOL etc calling for impeachment – they’re battered down into the ground.
Actually they either lack faith, or deep down they want what Bay Bucchanan wants, only in a nicer more genteel way.
I probably don’t need to say it, since it’s been said over and over, but I don’t know if it’s really a matter of being too genteel. I think, overall, they’re okay with the moderate stances of Obama and Clinton since they’re so rabid against anyone who wants to push things more to the left (like Kucinich or Gravel). (Unless I’ve read you wrong and you’re saying that they want what she wants policy-wise in a repub-lite sort of way.)
Unless I’ve read you wrong and you’re saying that they want what she wants policy-wise in a repub-lite sort of way.
Yeah, that’s exactly what I mean. And I wish that I didn’t mean it.
Think of that hilarious old George Carlin tirade where he proclaimed that what people really meant when they wore “Save The Planet” T-Shirts was [in a whiny voice:] “Give ME a NICE PLACE TO LIVE !” That’s pretty close to the overall mentality, I think. IOW, do something about the Mexicans but don’t let me see the wall and the blood. Keep my oil nice and cheap but don’t let me see the bullets and the blood. Etc.
bayprarie, no. 83, previous thread,
my god. it looks like all those they’re all dead because of a parking violations feud.
Yes indeed, and as liberalcatnip noted, the killer’s last words were no better than an Islamic suicide bomer’s “Allah al-akbar!” And look at what the killer’s brother has to say about it:
The last couple of days, I’ve seen those two people who were rescued from being snowed in talk about how much they believe in “the power of prayer,” a young woman who survived those tornadoes at that Tennessee college talk about how she and her fellow students were praying as the dorm they were in was collapsing around them, and the grandfather (who looked to be no more than 40 or so) of that baby who was discovered alive in tornado debris a few hundred yards from the ruins of what had been his home talking about how God was watching over the little tyke (after killing his mother, destroying his home, and having a cyclone sending him hurtling through the air I guess God started feeling guilty and protected the kid from further harm, huh?) . . . any supreme being who would allow these things to happen isn’t worth worshiping, obviously, but there will be much talk of prayer (even that NYT article quotes the police chief as saying “[t]here’s an old saying that you never get more than you can handle, we’re being tested,” by God, obviously) and not a single word about gun control, or about how we might arrest these climate changes that are producing tornadoes in the middle of winter in places that normally would be vulnerable to blizzards and ice storms.
cad and catnip out of moderation… Sorry!
looks like WP hit “c”
8)
Yeah, that’s exactly what I mean. And I wish that I didn’t mean it.
Well, for all of the talk about “progressive” policies contrasted with the actual platforms they are supporting, I think you’re right.
“Entitlement” was the word that came to mind after I read Bowers’ latest that was linked here last nite – the bit about “the movement” being ceded to the man – Obama. As I’ve said before, I don’t see Obama as a movement leader – he’s just another politician. The fact that Bowers sees Obama as somehow now hijacking “the movement” is rather ironic. I thought the movement was supposed to be about electing people like him. They want what they want but they’re afraid he’s stealing their so-called power? Doesn’t that sound a tad bit bizarre?
OTOH, Obama hasn’t graced the pages of dkos. I don’t know if he’s written anything at the other so-called movement blogs so this, to me, reeks of petty whining because he’s basically ignored them while treating them as wallets who vote. He obviously feels he doesn’t need to reach out to them online – where they live. I suspect that’s where Bowers’ sense of entitlement meets his last nerve.
Correction: “OTOH, Obama hasn’t graced the pages of dkos [since 2005].
And that really is a goofy-looking pic of him, mcat. lol
catnip:
…They want what they want but they’re afraid he’s stealing their so-called power? Doesn’t that sound a tad bit bizarre?…
Not when you factor in the incredibly oversize egos involved. 😉 Obama should never have started the revolution without asking Bowers’ permission first.
I don’t think Obama wants to be formally connected to Markos in any way except through worship and tithings. That means he’s smart.
BTW, I don’t know what’s gotten into Duncan Black these days, but he’s actually writing lengthy posts that consist of something other than “oh yeah, another stupid thread!”, and those dumb one-line snarks about dirty hippies and “why is [insert overpaid pundit of your choice here] on my tee vee”, and posting links to some very interesting material. This Mother Jones article makes the point that our Mesopotamian Misadventure is to US hegemony over the international cell phone market what the Opium Wars were to British hegemony over the international drug trade:
Please note that this deal has not yet been successfully rigged, and one person who will have a lot of say in whether the issue gets a lot of public notice is John McCain, to whom a whistleblower has given a lot of documents. I wonder if he feels like tangling with a lot of ruthless, well-connected BushCo. members while fighting for the GOP Presidential nomination?
liberalcatnip, no. 12,
He’s Crashing The Gates without them, and they’re mad.
For you, JJB:
oh that is hilarious:
I mean the men, too.”
And what were the men/boys called? Slutterers? Slutters?
Funny, I don’t recall an equivalent word for the unmarried fathers. Thru the decades.
Swordsman, there you go. Full of approbation and denigration. Loaded with shame.
Reeks. Drips.
Too funny.
ABSTINENCE ONLY FOR ALL SLUTS
After that shooting was reported last night in the City Council meeting in Kirkwood MO , I went to the Town Website, where they have a Salesmark as a Community Slogan:
Contrary to the ensuing network reports, the google available on the guy showed what clearly was white suburban chickenshit dispute that escalated::: issues over parking of the guys construction trucks on the street in what looked to be a predom white middle/upper income burb. Without knowing the race of the shooter, that was my initial economic/class impression while checking out the town website and council minutes online where it looked like whatever the guy brought up was tabled….
Well, pretty much bingo on the crackerville doing better than average part……
….The Federal ruling against the guy took his own language as a plaintiff in which he was describing the councils abridgement of his speech rights and turned it on its head, basically saying he didn’t have the right to speak nasty of the elected officials, real Roberts Rules of Order speech corral shit…I was floored reading it, I assumed the guy was a bunkerville blue collar militia type getting a first taste at how speech claims are routinely kicked out of court in “Shut Your Fucking Pie Hole/ Unless you Can Finance an Appeal” kind of way..
This is the guys plea in the case he filed, the guy’s original filing said
The response did not address the “content” of his speech claim AT ALL…Here
What? What the fuck standard is applied?
YOU HAVE TO READ THIS PIECE OF SHIT CHARACTERIZATION THAT PASSES FOR JURISRUDENCE.The actual ruling is HIDEOUS.
Sorry. But the people that got gunned down —- Twoll Hunters in Whiteyville.
FUCK EM. That’s the way the cookie crumbles, no?
I don’t know what he’s whining about. Somebody had to breed the little babies for all those childless folks with bucks. Yeah, they were sent away and FORCIBLY SEPARATED FROM THEIR OWN CHILDREN !!
Asshole. >:
And then there’s the issue of Iraq’s water, which is hardly mentioned.
well the problem as I gathered it last night… he lived in what had been a area that black working class/ service people had settled. It was incorporated or in some way its status changed with relation to the nearest CIty Hall.
The rule of no business trucks or cars parked in front of homes was imposed. (I happen to dislike those rules… one reason I live in a city.) I did nto check their rules explicitely, but here in thsi area that includes your own vehicles, parked in your own drive or small lot. Not just parked on the street in front of your home.
He parked his construction company trucks and cars in front of his home. They proceeded to ticket him.
At the tiem fo the shooting he had, so I read, 64K in tickets.
Mostly I have run into these rules in new developments, gated communities, etc. This was imposed on an older community whose relation to city hall changed.
That is my take.
Are they trying to drive out the older black neighborhood? I did nto get that far last night…
Huckabee:
Is it just me or does that not make any sense?
No, it doesn’t make any sense. Did Huck-a-poo manage to blame the whole thing on abortion, too ? That’s usually on the menu after the main course is served.
Fashionable Tasers Make Valentines Gifts.
Afaic, nothing says “I love you” like an AK47.
The village ijits on council were considering a motion to ban him personally from city council meetings. Thornton claimed the recordings of the meeting showed the Solicitor said it “can be done”…This kind of bluster happens everyday, the lawyers banking on the ignorance and docility of “the peasants”…
As far as my read of the proceeding the City blocked discovery by drastically limiting depositions and interogatories from jump..Anyways, the Judge adopted a “limited public forum” rule as the town requested w/r/t Thorntons speech in a town hall meeting. Christ, I’ve been to Hundreds of Town Hall meetings where the Gladys Pritchards and Merle Futz’s of the world get to go on ad nausem on tangential shit and are tolerated while anything actually in need of conflict resolution is dropped like a potato, quashed and kicked out the door…
It is all arbitrary shit dressed up as rule of law…I’d almost bet my eyesight that underneath it , Thornton, as a small time contractor in a town like that, might be on the receiving end of the scam that is run here in my neck of the woods, where the cops, the firemen and their buds run slapshod little construction gigs on the side…While a problem for competitors, ther’s No where to go for customers with a problem…
My friends with a project from hell were trying to get some work done at the Jersey Shore. Telling of the travails of hiring a contractor, they said that the first question out of guys in the phone book was “Who else are you talking to?” The said they figured they were being felt out for price, but they said builder after builder told them they weren’t even interested in bidding at all if they were accepting a bid from one of the local cops or their buddies…
FWIW…As the thread header says, Hell if I know, other than Kirkwood needs a new slogan.
Looks like there’s another pie war brewing at dkos.
For the record on that issue, afaic, Shuster’s comment was definitely uncalled for. “Pimping” a diary or a car is different than suggesting the Clintons were pimping Chelsea (though some kossacks apparently can’t see that). He apologized and was suspended. Next to go should be Tweety.
LOL you have to wonder if what MSNBC does is like, you know, coordinated.
LOL… think it was a year ago ( I have the transcript tucked away somewhere) that Tweety used “bite his balls” to EE face, about something or other about JE. With her children in the audience.
what a hoot!
Distribute weapons… stand back. If ONLY they’d shoot!
lol…Big Tentocrat chastises some commenter for making a dkos-like comment at TL and then says:
Time out! No supper for you. Go to your room.
U.N. says waterboarding should be prosecuted as torture
Absolutely. You can run but you can’t hide, neocons.
Tweety used “bite his balls” to EE face, about something or other about JE. With her children in the audience.
How rude is that? Geez.
aw. What is the matter with Big Tentola. he needs to start chopping off pinkies.
What a wuss.
Did Huck-a-poo manage to blame the whole thing on abortion, too ? That’s usually on the menu after the main course is served.
Hmmm…well let’s see if I can follow Huckster-style logic: Good thing the shooter wasn’t aborted because he would have lost out on his right to bear arms.
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They amended the transcript, but i heard it three times… in one re broadcast they cut out the booing of Matthews, as well…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16186985/
E. EDWARDS: There are not that many politicians who are actually very good at jokes. John spoke one time and I said I wouldn’t even go because it was—he was supposed to be funny and I didn’t think he could carry it off.
CROWD: (LAUGHTER)
MATTHEWS: I love it. You’re great. Behind every great man, there’s a woman trying to kill him.
CROWD: (LAUGHTER)
E. EDWARDS: He has great characteristics.
MATTHEWS: What is it? Does she do this? Does she bust your balls like this when you come home? When you get (INAUDIBLE), does she do that?
CROWD: (APPLAUSE)
E. EDWARDS: My children are watching this.
CROWD: (LAUGHTER)
MATTHEWS: What’s this with the equal marriages? Why do people marry their equals? It used to be different? What happened to the Stepford wives, the good old days? What happened?
CROWD: (BOOING)
MATTHEWS: Oh, how P.C. How—why don’t you hiss?
Oh, thank you. Finally, the freaking hiss. I needed it. It was the hiss. I needed that.
E. EDWARDS: You know have to know how smart his wife is in order to…
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you this. This is…
J. EDWARDS: He immediately got…
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There was a super longish break at some point, I’d like to think at least EE said something to Tweety.
I doubt John did.
Three dead in Louisiana campus shooting. The shooter was female.
37. Sheesh. What an ass.
LMAO.
Well Holy Baloney, those people are full of horsefeathers
In this RW culture? LOL.
Naughty talk, Porno and 5 Dollar Crack are all that’s LEFT
The call out by co-signers of banishment is indeed rich, but what the
hell,heck, make the case, more speech all around, more call outs and so forth…oh I don’t believe in banning or suspending.
Not at all.
But I do think MSNBC has an agenda, or on air personalities have an agenda.
Does it matter much?
No it doesn’t. Pols will go for access.
I agree. re speech propriety
Two areas do deserve scrutiny and legal recourse
-Hostile environs– in educational/training/working Life
-Risking Catastrophe — literally yelling fire in a theater or calling in a bomb threat, threats of Violence
Otherwise, I have no use for advise or prohibitions on speech from poopyheads…LOL..
“I will be edelting ”
Big Tent should start with himself first. How they love to quash dissent.
BREAKING:
Oh MSNBC has the game plan from both sides of the corporate genetics..
On Morning Joe, they regularly Have ex-officio GE Chair Jack Welck to wax on politics…Wonder what Nuclear Sub and mega Defense contractor-owners see down the road?…More dime a dozen Washing Mashines?
Waterboarding, Torture, No Habeas Corpus, A Million Dead Iraqis: Yawn from the liberal blogs
Insult to Chelsea: Get out the pitchforks and torches.
But come on. Using them as security is just dumb.
I’m sorry, but why?
This country has been waging a war on our black citizens for generations. As far as I’m concerned, becoming more militant and more threatening is the only real option left. The civil rights movement was able to accomplish what it did because there was a faction to their left that was willing to entertain violence, making them appear like the better option. McKinney has been harrassed and threatened by both political parties and by more appeasing factions within the black community and by the majority community.
Appeasement and appearing to be “reasonable” gets you nowhere. If the Panthers support her, and are willing to bust heads if necessary, then more power to them. Why is it okay for the donks to use security firms made up of cops and former military but THIS is somehow beyond the pale?
How many times has kos said that he admires the right’s tactics?
But those are just WORDS, because he does nothing but attack the base of the party he claims to serve, while the right’s tactics rest strongly upon nurturing and NEVER attacking or denigrating their base. The most fanatic Mumia supporter is nowhere near as far to the left as the folks at the convention are to the right, yet the Republicans all-but buy them hookers and beer, then provide them rides to church to get those sins expunged.
His schtick is the exact OPPOSITE of the right’s tactics. He’s a ward heeler, not an activist.
I’m sorry, but why?
You probably haven’t seen the video.
The New Black Panthers are definitely anti-semitic and they make no attempt to hide it. I understand that McKinney gets harassed and that Fox News are a bunch of thugs, but shouting “this ain’t Israel you Jews” is just taking the bait.
You need cooler heads than this.
fucking stupid Republican advisor on NOW:
“One man’s “Swift Boat” is another man’s “MoveOn”.”
I only wish that MoveOn was that ruthless and effective.
The most fanatic Mumia supporter is nowhere near as far to the left as the folks at the convention are to the right, yet the Republicans all-but buy them hookers and beer, then provide them rides to church to get those sins expunged.
The reason for this is that corporate money needs the authoritarian right and of course doesn’t need the radical left.
So the media and Internet hustlers like Markos can suck up to the right in a way they can’t suck up to the left.
Where Community and Spirit Meet !(sm)
Ahhhh, the Holy $$$.
22. BooHooHooMan
Yup, I skimmed through it last night and had to stop. The judge basically reduced the court to a glorified Sargent at Arms for the counsel.
I think as things spiral downward you’re going to see more people snap like this.
FWIW, here’s a link to King 5 tv with video of Clinton, Obama, and probably later, McCains’ rallies:
King 5 story page
Apparently, you can watch these videos and click around for a bit, then they ask you to register. I hate that. Sorry.
The robo calls began this morning: McCain, Clinton; then local politicians. 3 for Clinton, 1 for Obama, 1 for McCain (heh).
No canvassers *at all*. One sign popped up in the neighborhood. I received an email from a former Dean campaign acquaintance (in support of Obama). No mailers. Huge difference from the last election.
I will caucus tomorrow afternoon. Please send white light and all that.
To me, the jugular for the Cintons is on the “Phoney/Lying Bitch Axis”…quite possibly referred to as such in their own playbook which is written and mulled over by men and women alike … These things are chock full of pivots and contingencies, under (unnamed of course, always noted in the prospective) –under “The Children” there’s formulaic contingengencies on everything from a DUI, friend “management” to wardrobe…
It really is a sham the whole lousy process from Edwards to the Romneys, Biden, Dodd, etc. But Even if Shuster said they’re “using”
Chelsea instead of saying they’re “pimping” her Whoops!-
[talk about a fuckin whopper- LOL]…Even so,
the mama and papa bear/ misogyny pivot would have been the same – and grateful for the opportunity…I hadn’t heard the term “pimp” since the 70’s until the last few years. Pimpin it . Pimp my ride, Pimp my Diary. etc….Now you got yer…
The New Black Panthers are definitely anti-semitic and they make no attempt to hide it.
Again, so what? I remember NY Jews and their campaign against Dinkins. I remember hearing schwartze and such when in parts of Brooklyn. I remember the climate in that city when I lived there, and I know the history. So fucking what if they are anti-semitic? Are jews’ attitudes toward blacks any different in the South? Yes, yes I know, but the brief glimmer when certain elements of the jewish community took solidarity with the civil rights movement are long fucking past.
The NYC cops are just this side of the fucking Klan. Who is she going to hire as security, off duty cops? ANY community that is under assault is justified in gathering together and resisting, even if they do it in an ugly way.
We need MORE conflict from the left, MORE resistance, MORE ugliness … because there will be no debate, no change, no movement in the political dialogue until the left gets much, much uglier and confrontational and willing to act out.
She has NOTHING to gain by being “reasonable” anymore, nothing. She tried to work within the system and got assaulted by rent-a-cops in the Capital and savaged by the media and her own party for her trouble.
I have to get my amusement somewhere.
That’d be Sully pimping out an op piece in the LAT, using a suggestive headline.
And no its not about HC or Guantanamo or the wars or the US prisons or or or or or or.
**************
Oh I think Ob and Michelle O need to go sit with Tweety for an hour. I wonder fi they have done it…
you got yer Sully Pimp…
54
raincat…
surprised so little harrassment.
My phone rang all day Feb 4 and 5, til about 3 om.
Moyers leads off tonight with an extended segment about the doc, TAXI TO THE DARKSIDE
He’s got a Hispanic evangelical coming up later … I don’t know if I’m going to be able to sit through that. I’m so fucking sick of god-botherers.
and Sully got his pump action (as did Joel Stein).
Ship that man piles of restroom hand towels.
He’s got a Hispanic evangelical coming up later … I don’t know if I’m going to be able to sit through that. I’m so fucking sick of god-botherers.
Hispanic Pentacostals though are a little known group inside white America and a huge growing segment in the Hispanic population.
Walk through South Bronx and you’ll see a new Latin Protestant storefront church sprout up every week.
So it’s a good idea to cover them.
I think I have one in moderation.
Hillary is gonna be up here in Cheeseland the Saturday before our primary. That hack Obey endorsed Obama today. I’m sure Jeebus Obama will be making his way here soon.
The next week and a half are going to suck.
I don’t care if there are a lot of them. I’m sick of cults, and I’m sick of being told that they’re important and I have to listen to them.
There is no god, no afterlife, no heaven or hell or outside Authority to hold your spirititual hand, to give you an easy-to-follow ethical checklist to make life’s hard choices for you. I’m tired of their influence on politics.
I’m
just
so
sick
them.
the stupid cult leader just called Huckaboob a “moderate”.
and yes, I’m intolerant of them. Returning the favor.
Pentacostalism is the fast growing in S/C America.
One reason the Catholics are freaked.
I’m tired of their influence on politics.
In New York at least, however, the Latino evangelicals had a rather large part in organizing the immigrant rights rallies in 2006.
Lots of breakaway rallies ended up at pro-immigrant rallies in these churches.
I went to a bunch of them (note to self, put photos back up online).
It’s a fascinating little subculture and not totally negative.
Of course a part of it is negative. A lot of Latinos are leaving the Catholic church because they perceive it as too liberal and because they think too many priests are gay.
It goes back a bit too. I think Joan Baez’s uncle was a minister in a Mexican American protestant church in Brooklyn in the 1940s and 50s. That’s why she fit in so well with black southern Baptists during the Civil Rights movement (or part of the reason anyway).
It’s a fascinating little subculture and not totally negative.
Well, neither is some of what Huckanut says. It’s wonderful that he talks about poverty and such … but …
here’s the difference for me.
If you tell me that your beliefs/faith/superstition tells YOU to do something, then cool. If, on the other hand, you tell me that your beliefs/faith/superstition tell US what WE all should do, then you can fuck off, even if I agree with what you are suggesting as a goal.
Look back at MLK, and at Malcolm right before the end. They talked about their faith motivating THEM to find common ground with everyone else. That is VERY different from Rev. Rodriguez and Huckanut and Wallis and almost all of the rest of the cult leaders running around this country now, who are happy to order us to follow their faith, their rulez, their prescriptions.
Go and speak in tongues or sing or kiss snakes or whatever … I don’t care, just don’t tell me that I have to follow your fucking Imaginary Friend, even if I agree with what your personal Cosmic Muffin has decreed. If I don’t want to hear what Dobson’s Magical Daddy says, I don’t want to hear from yours, either, even if He is nicer.
58 mcat,
i am shocked, actually, by the lack of presence of either campaign. methinks they figured it would all be done by super stoopit tuesday.
i am sure it is heavy duty on the UW campus, but i am astounded by the lack of any canvassing/presence in my area, which is just north of campus. i canvassed this same area for Dean and there are hard-core political junkies here…very weird that there is nuthin’ now.
to tell you the truth, I am really amazed that Obama filled the Key Arena (on such short notice). maybe they were targeting uncharted neighborhoods, and that paid off.
If you tell me that your beliefs/faith/superstition tells YOU to do something, then cool. If, on the other hand, you tell me that your beliefs/faith/superstition tell US what WE all should do, then you can fuck off, even if I agree with what you are suggesting as a goal.
Totally agree. I have little patience for Latino evangelicals in NYC organizing against gay marriage.
64. Madman
Amen!
Oh the Stein was Hillarious. His mama is right of course…
There’s a whole lotta disappointment in store…I see the Clintons as the greatest threat though. There election would be “validation” “vindication”– gah– I honestly believe they are megalomaniacs who wouldn’t give up shit in terms of Unitary Executive Privilege everyone else be damned…Thats the reason why I want them begoned first…
CIA Likely Let Contractors Perform Waterboarding By Siobhan Gorman, Wall Street Journal
If they’ll use mercs overseas, it’s only a matter of time before they use them here.
WHAT I’D LIKE NOT TO SEE (Andrew Bard Schmookler)
How I’d Like Obama and Clinton to Campaign from Here
I dunno’, Hair Club. If people can justify voting for Paul when he hasn’t repudiated the race war memos, I can see justifying a vote for McKinney even if her bodyguards are assholes.
Yeah, Madman, I’m old enough to remember the whole flap about Jackson. Also old enough to remember my Dad using the “S” word all the time. Drove the rest of us crazy.
will bunch offer some perspective on the whole Schuster thing.
So much selective outrage over words in this country, while we abandon women’s healthcare and autonomy and opportunities as we abandon affirmative action.
Speaking of religion and waterboarding:
1.) Young male with beard
2.) Tortured for being enemy of the state
3.) Travelled around a bit too aimlessly
4.) Hung out with other shady dissidents
5.) Created massive disruption at temple and wildly attacked license peddlers
6.) Held many unpermitted rallies
Yep. Jesus was a terrorist and probably would have ended up at Gitmo.
#36:
😀 I would have spewed my evening beverage all over the screen were I actually having it at this moment, catnip.
You know us too well. 😉
72. And that’s exactly what Rodriguez was pushing on Moyers, ‘upholding the traditional family’. If that jerk was white he’d be voting for Huckabee. His minority status doesn’t clue him in at all in regards to kicking his own homophobia, so much for following Christ.
Moyers of course just licked his boots which was very disappointing for me. Rodriguez made these claims about instances of gang members coming from single parent families and doing much better when they have a mom and dad. I wanted Moyers to ask him what the statistics are when a Latino child has a dad/dad and mom/mom as regards to gang participation but of course that would have made Rodriguez apoplectic and made it something other than the puff piece it was.
Yeh well attywhoever the fuck decontextualized the remark
LOL. Bring it on, True or Not doesn’t matter…Yeh, It’s gonna be civil all right…..Really hopefully the weak-knee’d don’t slip on the blod clots
I could giva — the McCain/ Hill Bill / Baracko …it’s all agit/prop among tools and fools of little difference.
Yeesh. I may have no love at all for the Clinton Empire, but have any of these schmoes who make ugly jokes about Chelsea, Janet Reno, etc. ever look in the fucking mirror.
Please.
Also, how long will it be before McCain’s “gook” comment is resurrected ? Shall we start a betting pool ?
Moyers of course just licked his boots which was very disappointing for me.
one reason I am tired of Moyers. God Peers first then other things nest, but always well within bounds. I am glad for him as we get so little.
BUT……………..
Moyers is pathetic when sitting across from a Priest/Nun/Imam/Minister/Preacher/Witch Doctor etc.
ever look in the fucking mirror.
As I’ve repeatedly said, McCain’s the mean old man who keeps little kids footballs when they fly over his fence.
Then one day, he shoots your dog for pissing on his lawn.
The Salon says it was printed in the papes so cue the zoom in commercials on McCain said this about our Daughter commercials.
it will be a classy affair I’m sure…I was talking to a friend today in DC who was an BC appointee and she said
“I just don’t know if I could go through the Drama again..” LOL
yeah I remember that from mcCain and Rush pushed it forever. Pretty sure Imus did as well…
These people, both sides are all in the same business. Both parties, adherents, pundits, pimps and pols.
Congealing Fuckball.
Chris Floyd — American Psycho: An Elite Exposed in an Exit Speech
Maybe Obama can use Rodriguez in TX. Stand in for McClurkin.
Mcain is a nutter no doubt about it and an easy target to reveal as unhinged if they weren’t so afraid of the Cult of Rambo …What Clinton should have done is invited McCain over to the White House and busted him in the mouth..fairly straightforward shit and no downside either.
This Clinton “pain” ,defend my wife , defend my kid crap is barfarama and will be seen as such… All for sympathy and a few votes..At this rate, Clinton Ads by November will have Serious Voice Guy(c) begin with “John McCain SAYS” that then transforms the allegation into a Clintonian Family Act of perversion like in The Aristocrats.
The worthless Rep. Obey endorses Senator Jeebus.
I will be surprised if the Clintons use it against McCain.
For years R fall all over themselves to say, well one thing they did was raise a great kid.
LOL bar is pretty low, imo. She hasn’t tortured shot and slit the throat of a stray dog.
i bet back when it happened, McCain called them and said whatever (mumble mumble mumble, we both know it is politics, OK? we’re Friends?) and they said, Senator we thank you for your service. thanks for calling.
Oftentimes when ti is referred to it is allowed to seem as tho it originated with Rush.
Taxi to the Dark Side….of the Discovery Channel
the doughy pantload, J. Goldberg, is on Maher tonight, along with Matt Dowd and sportscaster Bob Costas are the “guests” on Maher tonight.
Not sure why I’m watching.
uninformed doughy pantload too. Didn’t know who DNI was…
Madman on the Mahrer tonight…
Matthew Dowd actually has like a hair shadow saran film thingy on.
Like a Hair Impression or something
This is the best Maher can do?
White guys on exhibit now on Mahrer.. now they’re taking about baseball..well THAT’s different..I’m going to get a set of security bars welded on to the front of the tv
Mahrer: Normally you don’t need antiobiotics.Until sometimes when you really do.
LOL.
I’m out..
J. Goldberg, is on Maher tonight
Can anybody clue me in on why AtriosDigbyLand is so obsessed with Goldberg? Jonah must love them for all the free publicity.
As for Jimmy Carter’s “Peace not Apartheid”, anything by Chomsky or Chalmers Johnson, or a good history of Korea like the one by Bruce Cummings, though, you won’t read many reviews in AtriosDigbyStan on any of these.
I can’t root against a person who believes he can change the world.
Does that mean he supported Bush too?
That’s a rather facile way of looking at things (to put it nicely).
The best we Obamaphiles can do is to refrain from embarrassing ourselves.
Why don’t you start by not writing ridiculously sexualized crap about how you want Obama to hope all over you
Full body condoms, everyone!
hmmm Colin advertising his endorsement is available.
I would guess the price, which he hopes to extract from obama, but would settle for Hillary too … is a lot of exhorted charitable press under a Dem administration. A special envoy situation, should the right job arrive.
So he can excrete yet another book. My guess is no one has wanted to negotiate, at all, for a book of his.
And then he goes on and on about the rules the kos kids should play by and he seems to think some formation of civility enforcing gangs is the answer.
Oh yes, [rubbing my chin in an intellectually-astute manner] I can sure see THAT working!
You already have “playground monitor” on your resume. You’re just in denial., MB. The playground you rule over is full of toxic waste. Trying to fix that with one of those Mr Clean™ eraser pad things is not the answer. In fact, that sounds like it would be the equivalent of putting polish on a mud wallow.
A special envoy situation,
I’d like to suggest ‘Ambassador to Antarctica’. Then again, that would be cruel to Antarctica. You never know – he might just start a war with the penquins: Operation Happy Feet.
I think kos should hire me – for a cool $50,000/year, I’d clean that place up. No problem.
I think kos should hire me – for a cool $50,000/year, I’d clean that place up. No problem.
I’d redirect it to Goatse.
Hunter’s lament:
But don’t look at Hunter, he had nothing to do with all of that infighting. No siree.
I’ll tell you what, Hunter. Go back to not calling yourself a liberal. This liberal would seriously appreciate that.
I’d redirect it to Goatse.
Eww. Mind you, that would do the trick.
Prepare for heads to explode: Few From Obama’s Youth Remember His Drug Use
The mere mention of his drug use will no doubt be seen as an attack by his rabid supporters and the suggestion that he might have played it up is sure to have reverberations.
I suspect the name James Frey is going to pop up on the blogs.
No wonder Shuster was suspended. He defended his remark about Chelsea on the grounds that she wouldn’t talk to the press. That was just revenge on Shuster’s part – plain and simple.
There’s more…
The bottom line is that he’s just another whiny reporter with an entitlement complex.
Call the whambulance, Shuster. How old is he? 12?
Well Madman, voters will care if they hear somebody screaming bigotry. Just because others act out doesn’t mean it’s okay for all. Are all Jews supposed to shut the fuck up because some others don’t? If McKinney wants a discredited, fringe candidacy, she’ll get it.
The kossacks brand of “outreach” to the black community rears its head again. MB chimes in with a reference to his “black friends”.
Hell’s Angels & Kesey?
… oh, just googled them… a Nation of Islam offshoot.
Hmm… why only the “Jews” in quotation marks?
I adore the Black Panthers. I’ve always had issues with Nation of Islam. And this group looks very much like a reinvention of the latter using a more lefty palatable name…
That said, I support Cynthia.
more dead birds turning up in the bay. wonder if it’ll catch fire like the cuyahoga river, with this current streak of bad environmental luck.
Question: When Terry McAuliffe was the chairman of the DNC didn’t he REFUSE to acknowledge Washington DC’s primary in 2004 because they had moved up their primary without consent of the DNC???? So why now when he is Hillary’s campaign manager he want to seat MI and FL.
What is even worse is that DC would not have effected the outcome of the election. They just wanted attention drawn to their voting rights… whereas MI and FL will be decision breakers.
As per usual with the Clinton crowd it is do as I say not as I do:
Can I hire you to say that to my parents for me?
I can say it to everyone else, but as soon as I politely get into the fact that I’m an atheist with my parents, my Mom starts to cry &, well, that kind of ends the conversation.
I clicked in for about a minute & clicked out to Apocalypse Now on AMC… I’m still trying to get my old hard drive onto the new one and because they’ve changed the hardware interface between 1998 and 2007, it’s become a colossal problem. I can’t get them networked [don’t ask – the old machine is too corrupt to deal], no current USB device will work with the old machine, I can’t sling the old drive into the new machine. I’ve gotta take the damn thing to the office on a weekend and sling it into a older/newish machine and then copy it to a new USB device… and then bring it back. Pissing me off.
You see why I couldn’t put up with rich white assholes babbling crap tonight & needed to head straight for the well directed adaptation of a novel about colonialism.
wu ming
they seem mystified by what is killing the birds now.
Seems to be some speculation, this am on local news, that it might be what are now said to be TWO spills of partially treated sewage in Marin co.
But who knows, seems to have been months long run of very bad luck. Bad management, bad response, FUBAR and SNAFU. All around screw-up.
St Petersburg Times editorial on the FL delegate mess.
LOL I guess it could be called, Good Luck Howard. And does it matter. hmmm no.
LOL an a report out of MI from their side of the denied bed.
My own guess, from the get go, the delegates, both FL and MI, will be seated. And at least some count, partial if not whole, will be made of the delegates.
I think Howard bought himself some hard times out of this one.
Not that it matters (insert after most party, candidate, election issues)…
LOL
Shutting off the shit spigot could happen, and quickly, if a dozen supporters of Candidate X decided to start hiding the comments and publicly critiquing the Diaries of other supporters of Candidate X who spout sewage, abuse ratings, lie, distort and otherwise behave – as some have said – as if this were a junior high most-popular-student election instead of one of world-shaking consequences.
How about some good old-fashioned Struggle Sessions run by the Orange Guards, MB?
Sheez. Between this and the classic Bowers that was reposted here the other day, I’m growing ever more pessimistic about the possibility of avoiding leftwing fascism in this country.
LOL are these people left wing tho? Any wing?
They strike me, most of them, as born of a mix of parentage, some vague Democrats, a lot of Republican of various stripes, they, in their twenties and thirties, have morphed to a sort of twisted operative class of authoritarian grubbers, vaguely liberatarian, somewhat to very repressive and, most days, expecting to be supported in their various and nefarious “works” for the party. For factions of the party.
Frankly give me a hard working rat fucker any day.
Considering how low it ALL is.
Awful people.
If McKinney wants a discredited, fringe candidacy, she’ll get it.
well, she’s already been declared “discredited” and a “fringe candidate” by her own former party and by the media.
Again, I ask … who is she supposed to use? Off duty cops? Security “professionals” who are generally RETIRED cops? Law “enforcement” in this society is one of the most institutionally racist institutions we have.
If I was a black politician pushing a leftist message, I would NEVER trust people like that to provide security, unless I was in a city where 100 Blacks in Law Enforcement could provide references.
my Mom starts to cry &, well, that kind of ends the conversation.
I don’t know how to even approach that problem. Most of my uncles are born again, and I’m the one who people come down on if I get tired of listening to their lunacy, so I just avoid them.
Religious belief is a mental illness, and it is just horrible when it’s gripped someone you really love.
No shit. Christ, it’s so fucking simple: steep income tax on Corporations and cut in foreign subsidies….Those two things drive all other prospective economic voodoo-doo…Hmmm, so why the no-likey from the Majors???…
Hope your ass off all you want for change…They’re still selling this pie in the sky “Yes We Can” without the nickles to rebuild a shed let alone schools or New Orleans or pay for Health Care. Without confiscatory taxation and cutting the bloodlusters off, In a few years, the irelevence of Democratic Politics (both large and small D) will be patently obvious..Usher in Jeb or President Santorum Stage Right…..using the proceeds off the same stolen loot that was left untouched to put the hammer down fah- EVva.
Docile, happy, hopeful, people have not historically done too well against armed vicious relentless bastards…
cad, #115:
…Are all Jews supposed to shut the fuck up because some others don’t? …
What am I ? Invisible ?
Anti-Semitism is everywhere. It’s what got me thrown off the Ms.Boards years ago. More or less. But Anti-Semitism is not the only form of ignorance in this culture. Not by a long shot. Should it be the deal-breaker in an election when so many other forms of ignorance trickling from the top down end up being negotiable ? I’m not so sure.
I seriously doubt that Hillary or Obama would sneer at “the Jews” to my face, and yet they unapologetically call for the deaths of millions of innocent people, and hide behind my culture and history to do it. Who knows what they think of me when I’m not in the room ? Probably not all that much, beyond my political usefulness to their lovely imperial crusades.
So who’s bad judgment is more hazardous to my continued existence ? McKinney’s ? Or a Democratic front-runners ?
THERE IS NO WAR ON AL-QAEDA.
More reaganesque bullshit from a rightist whore for the status quo.
Ron Paul Rules Out 3rd Party Run, Scales Down Campaign
120. From where I sit, the whole election system is fucked up and just begs all of the squabbling and hand-wringing. How about some real election reform and would it be that bad if both parties had to follow the same rules? It seems to me that if you want a participatory democracy, you’d actually want to make it attractive for voters.
both parties
The “two-party” system has obviously infected my brain: all parties. Sheesh.
Then again, it would be more fun if one party chose their leader via a jello-wrestling match instead of jumping through all of these ridiculous hoops (unless those hoops were rings of fire in an obstacle course…)
Is Dennis Kucinich Being McKinney’d?
More on McKinney from Green Todd Chretien
GREAT fucking title:
The Chicken Doves
So, Conyers has remained silent on Bush’s law breaking–protecting his committee chairmanship by being afraid to use it.
Worse than that, he flip-flopped in a major way.
Conyers has been tamed
And that’s exactly why the Dems can’t be trusted. It’s all about the party – not the country.
Reid isn’t worthy of being graced with the name “pussy.”
My genitalia has never killed anyone in pursuit of cheap fossil fuels.
So there. :p
Also, to continue Taibbi’s sports metaphors, isn’t he already Monday-morning quarterbacking ?
One way or another he will have a Pro-War Democrat to vote for in November. The only suspense left is what brand of sugar-coating said Democrat opts to sprinkle over the dead and dying.
Nothing else is at stake for him or his fans, so long as they are determined to remain Democrats.
ugh
Doug Shoen falls apart on page 2. Even tho I know it is where we are headed, I ain’t for it.
He gets a lick in for “reforming” SS and Medicare as well.
But the offer is Kerry/McCain or McCain/Libershit.
Tha fused party, come fuck me games are what produced Arnold. I’m a little bit Democrat (lookat the wif!!) I am a little bit Green (a full on lie) I am a little bit Socialist (well, wingers say I am!) I am a little bit eco enviro! (I can not build levees as well as anyone!) but really deep down I am a fucking Nazi Republican winger who can convince you of most anything.
HOW ABOUT PULLING OUT OF THE FUCKING MILITARISTIC SUICIDE????????????????????? With a side benfit it ends the militaristic homoicide rate around the world.
These fusion freaks never bring that one up. Not really. “End the war in Iraq” is the equivalent of ‘wash your hands after using the toilet’. So many don’t bother but go on shaking hands.
UGH
yup, Taibbi is such the fratboy, but it’s still good to have this shit out in the open (not that many of us here weren’t already noticing most of this for months):
[snerk]
“CHANGING THE WORLD IS FUNNNN !”
(Emphasis mine, not Madman’s.)
Fine, Fuckheads. But you’re not having FUNNN!!! on my time. I’d rather spend my last few bucks buying a homeless beggar a sandwich and a coffee. S/he is worthier of my money than you. In spades.
Catnip, what’s your take on Parliementary Democracy?
I see nothing happening here on the Left in the US without it…
Whoops – *Parliamentary
Thanks for that link to the Taibbi piece, so much great stuff in there.
My only criticism is he needs to throw out all of his Hunter S. Thompson books and work on his own style.
This should go over well.
The reaction to this diary (that I posted a link to here last nite) still bothers me. If, as a white woman, I wrote a diary explaining how Hillary Clinton doesn’t speak for me due to the differences in our cultural history/background/ancestral/geographic realities, I doubt anyone would disagree or call me out as being a “bigot” or sexist etc. Yet, when an African-American explains why his/her experience is different from Obama’s, that’s taboo and brings out the worst in some people.
I also thought a bit about why Obama is being billed as the first “black” president (besides Bill Clinton). As the diarist points out, Obama is bi-racial. So, what makes a person “black” then? Their skin colour (caused by dominant genes)? Their features? I’m asking – seriously – because I think that diarist offered food for thought that was definitely missed by some who simply posted knee-jerk reactions.
This may seem naive on my part but that’s what was on my mind last nite.
Catnip, what’s your take on Parliementary Democracy?
In Canada, it’s definitely in need of reform (big topic).
– We have an appointed senate – an issue that’s been the topic of debate for decades – as has proportional representation and regional (provincial) power.
– But we do have better control over the power of the prime minister (as opposed to the acceptance of Bush’s law-breaking spree by the Dems which would definitely not fly here).
– Our ability to have minority governments (as we do right now) provides checks and balances on what otherwise might be an out of control majority. (And these Conservatives definitely would be that if they had a majority – bunch of Bush sockpuppets.)
– We have more diversity in the house with members who not only represent the “big two” parties ie. the Bloc Quebecois separatists, the NDP, Independents, the Green party (if it manages to grab a seat) etc. That makes debates much more interesting and provides more of a balanced view of what Canada is all about.
– There’s no doubt that a lot of horse-trading goes on and we’ve definitely had our share of scandals involving the power-hungry and corrupt. It’s all far from perfect but, overall, it’s more representative.
The current government, which instituted fixed election dates, is now trying to bring itself down by introducing non-confidence motions because it seems to think it has a chance of getting a majority (instead of the minority status it currently has) if an election is held right now so we have just as many political games as you do but at least we do have the chance to make a government fall over the budget (which is always a matter of confidence in parliament) or other issues that become non-confidence votes, when that becomes necessary.
Regardless, I still spend a lot of time banging my head against the wall over what goes on here but I do think our ability to turf a leader/party that’s broken the law makes our system more accountable to the public.
Try telling that to the people of Lebanon.
Shimon Peres (2006):
new thread
LINK
They strike me, most of them, as born of a mix of parentage, some vague Democrats, a lot of Republican of various stripes, they, in their twenties and thirties, have morphed to a sort of twisted operative class of authoritarian grubbers, vaguely liberatarian, somewhat to very repressive and, most days, expecting to be supported in their various and nefarious “works” for the party.
I have a better name for them: The Useless Young Men.
Has a nation ever had a generation of more entitled, more politically amateurish, more self-important, yet exquisitely impotent young men? (yes, I realize MB is probably not young) Okay, it’s not just men obviously, but we’ve got way too many 35-year-olds with a mental age of 21, if you get my meaning. (And too many 21-year-olds with a mental age of 35, serving in Iraq…)
The ones with the least-entitled mentality unfortunately tend to be the most innocent – shoveling time and money into frenzied activity that has yielded very little.
At least the Yippies managed to throw some good parties.
At least the Yippies managed to throw some good parties.
lol
Centre is the new “left”. They’re kind of like “progressive” versions of Alex P Keaton.
Seriously though, the parallels between these “paradigm-busting” young college-educamated white males and the Yips are not to be ignored.
Except, as I said, at least the Yippies managed to clothe their ultimately empty tactics in some fun psychedelia.
The Bloggies are so uptight and NOT counterculture, that they make Alex P. Keaton look like Abbie Hoffman.
Oh, and RFK (Obama) is still around in this scenario. (one parallel I *don’t* wanna see re-enacted…)
haha! too true.
all opinion all the time. little or no experience backing that opinion up.