Why observe memorial day now… 25 May 2008
Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.trackback
Jordanian demonstration against the Lebanon war, casualty at Cana 2006
I never have in the past.
But, there’s a thread.
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Sorry for the numerous typos in my last post. [blush]
Coffee now. 😀
Part 1/2: Vidal on McCain, Obama, Clinton 5.22.2008
Part 2/2: Vidal on McCain, Obama, Clinton 5.22.2008
Well according to what I read in The Independent, aside from somewhat admitting to a child from some liaison, Vidal is for Obama.
With a very dated phrase about how nice it is that “the black race is advancing”.
in this interview he says he actually leaned toward Clinton.
Apparently he says whatever suits him :
Well, he can pray for Obama to mitigate the invocation of assassination. Of send a donation.
Apparently he says whatever suits him :
Oh, that’s what I think. I think he gets a laugh pushing back against whatever the individual interviewing him expects.
The Sexism in the Democratic Party
From Sivacracy:
Bingo. Obama over and over kneels to white men. One reason I wanted Hillary out of this race months ago.
let the two male shits go at it. And the male punditocracy.
May they congeal after they shred each other.
Taibbi on Book TV this afternoon, 6 ET
8 – Succinct.
The Danica Patrick diary at DK even has Eight Belles jokes in it now, along with the usual pie fillings. Just a tad ironic, this weekend.
well I pointed out some weeks ago when Tiger Woods neatly whitewashed a lynching comment made in reference to him on one of the psorts channels. He said he knew his friend, woman announcer, had not meant anything by it.
Go Tiger. Go somewhere.
Seems not to matter if you feel you are well inside white society and the lynching has to do with others.
I am sure Obama thinks he knows what is coming. ON the other hand, from my tracing forward from the streaming of the Argus interview, roughly 1:30 – 2:30 ET to quick blow up all the way to Drudge, NYPost and then to Huffpo by 3:41 pm, to Obama’s own owrds (not Burton and not Clyburn and not blogs and not pundits and not Obama supporting media from Huff To NYPost to NYT) to his own words late the following day, this was orchestrated.
Good luck Barack. I will be surprised if the party really shows it wants H, S and WH.
I doubt they do.
via Instapundit who gets the trasncript emails.. (I have not checked CNN for the Reliable Sources transcript):
I agree with whoever (I think it was ms x) said in the last thread that (paraphrasing) when sexism directed towards Hillary is excused just because she’s Hillary, it simply gives the green light to people to use it against any woman they despise. I’ve seen that excuse used repeatedly at dkos. Would they ever say racism was alright if it was directed against an AA they didn’t like? Of course not. That’s the issue here. Like I’ve written before, this race has brought out the absolute worse in some of these so-called progressives – from irrational mass hysteria that they decry in the wingnuts but refuse to acknowledge in themselves to some of the most vile comments I’ve ever seen directed at other human beings. The behaviour is so diametrically opposed to the message their so-called saviour is pushing (although that’s just a cover for old-style politics repackaged) that it’s akin to a virtual Crusade. Convert or be trampled. They’ve absorbed the message that selling fear trumps all.
More tea…
13. Good timing. And it’s about time someone is noticing outside of the blogs.
No, catnip, it was hrh who said that. All apologies. But I was never, fwiw, trying to excuse the people who say that kind of shit about Hillary. I just get irritated at feeling like it ought to be a full-time job for me to protect somebody who has never lifted a finger to protect me, and never will.
And, yeah, I’ll be the poutiest, sulkiest “sister” on the planet, but I still find it annoying that it’s all about the supremacy of womanhood in most of the (U.S.) feminist blogs until you remind them that there IS another woman in the race. [cough] Then suddenly everyone has to be somewhere else immediately.
Politico posts a “hey don’t blame us for wanting hype and links and advertizing money…why should we fact-check before we actually print something when the MSM doesn’t?” article about their rush to push the Hillary/RFK story. Harris fails to mention that this isn’t the first time they fucked up, causing mass hysteria.
well there si a tragic reality. McKinney had more exposure as an elected representative in congress than as running for … is she the Green candidate yet?
As far as I can see, I would doubt the rise in the current even more rigged system of an Anderson or a Perot. And it was the Democratic party that insisted, I jsut read again, that Perot be included in the debates. Where he took his numbers from can be endlessly argued, but if I were a Demcrat I would nto feel that it could be won without Perot.
And the stories are all aorund again that Kennedy/loyalists used Anderson as a device to defeat Carter.
16. Props to hrh then.
I just get irritated at feeling like it ought to be a full-time job for me to protect somebody who has never lifted a finger to protect me, and never will.
It shouldn’t be and it’s not your job. All I’m saying is that there are a lot of ways to attack Hillary Clinton, based on her record. Throwing out sexist remarks against her isn’t the way to do that because if that’s excused just because it’s about her, that makes it that much easier to go after any woman in the same way because it’s seen as an acceptable form of criticism. The message is very clear and it’s the wrong message to be sending.
I’ve never seen her candidacy as the be all and end all of feminist hopes – that a woman has finally arrived. But I sure knew that when you had a biracial man pitted against a woman, a lot of ugliness was bound to ensue. That’s why I wondered aloud a while ago about the media question: ‘is America ready for a black or female president?’ when I thought it should be ‘are Democrats ready for either’ and I didn’t think they were. If the party that sells itself as the most tolerant can’t deal with these issues, then what?
And I hear what you’re saying about McKinney’s candidacy being ignored by so-called online feminists. Dog forbid they should acknowledge a “radical” – someone who actually would advance their cause.
Well, he can pray for Obama to mitigate the invocation of assassination. Of send a donation.
Prayer circle already in progress …
They’re probably taking donations, too.
yes we have had prayer circles out here for months. They are spoken of with pride.
Whatever floats the boat. Wild crazed fairy in the sky.
I heard again today that Hillary, prior to this race, ahd received the highest number of death threats for a First Lady or former FL.
AFAIAC, and I doubt the SS would permit it, she and Obama can compare inches. In threats. And what threats invoke what words spoken by whom.
In an anthology edited by Toni Morrison following the Anita Hill hearings, Race-ing Justice and En-gender-ing Power it was reported that black churches, some – enough, preached against her from their pulpits: How dare a black woman stand in the way of a Good Black Man. Well that was more than 16 years ago. And churches are far more politicised, and this go round I have even read public acknowledgement that the campaigns send money directly to the churches. To the pastors.
Plenty of threat around. In all directions. Plenty of inducement for incitement and inflammatory language. Not all of it on tape. Not all of it politically correct to speak of.
Thanks to whoever linked tunesmith’s comment in the Danica diary (I’m too lazy to go back and look). I popped over to rec it up as it deserved, and came across another shabby little sub-thread that led off with this.
And that is coming from the same female contingent that curls its lip at women in the religious conservative movement who negate their own identity for approval from men of gawd.
But hey — “All aboard the O train!” Cause everybody wants to go to heaven.
catnip, #19:
…If the party that sells itself as the most tolerant can’t deal with these issues, then what ?…
Well, it wasn’t a big surprise to me that it’s come to this, either. I saw and heard enough bullshit when I first broke the tether in 2000. In the absence of a really prominent scapegoat, they have nobody to vent their frustrations against but one another. Since there’s so little imagination at the heart of either campaign or its fans, naturally most people are going to use the most obvious, least imaginative forms of mud-flinging that they can.
(I hope the PFFters are taking note of that. I don’t know what’ll be uglier: A big win for their crowned champion or a big loss at convention time. Not like it means fuck-all either way. To me.)
Also, say this for this most deameaning, gut-bucket approach to identity politics: It helps both detractors and fans sidestep the truth– that neither candidate’s record is really that different from that of the other.
Oh, yes, and I recall HC’s most cherished set of cheerleader’s pom-poms: Obama didn’t vote to start the war. He’s better than Hillary. He IIIIIIIIS !!!
No, of course not. He just helps keep the war going, and throws coals on the fire that will start other wars, elsewhere.
Please.
Madman in the last thread, #123:
I wouldn’t put it past McCain to choose Rice for his running mate. Nor would I put it past her to accept. In a process where appearance is everything, but better way for the GOP to punch a hole in the already flimsy pretense of “diversity” peddled by the DP spokespeople and the bleaters all over Blogland ?
Kos and the rest would indeed cover themselves in glory when discussing Rice, just as they did when discussing McKinney.
HCA: It’s Hospital Policy To Shakedown Patients Before They Leave
Go hide in the kitchen, ms_x! The Dems will handle the selection and grooming of all “progressive” female candidates for higher office and will support presidential contenders when and only when political and cultural circumstances allow.
moiv – a couple of other commenters got to the point, too.
(BTW, FWIW, etc. . . Patrick raced well, apparently, but had to quit after another driver clipped her car at a pit stop. Scott Dixon was the winner.)
Bordertown
(excuse the typographical mess:
I think there’s a pit stop clipping in the mod pod.
Supposedly NASA will start covering the Mars landing shortly.
I have to complement Miles O’Brien when he covers things like the Mars landing. He does a pretty decent job of describing what’s going on, translating any tech jargon that pops up, and he really seems to enjoy and care about this kind of event. In a country where science gets almost NO coverage on any of the major news channels and shows (other than when there is some hyped up medical story) it’s nice to watch.
Couldn’t get the NASA TV thingy to work, but MSNBC has a live feed and they’re interviewing happy rocket scientists now.
Intermittent Bystander and Arcturus out of Moderation…
comments 28 and 29
Sorry for the delay!
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Thanks!
Arcturus, thanks for posting that. I’d wondered what had happened to Bordertown — read about it during production, and then nothing.
It’s pretty unrealistic to hope for police action when the police commanders are being murdered along with everyone else. Recently I read that three Mexican police chiefs have crossed into the US and requested political asylum.
Yep, that pretty much sums it up.
Great Solomon’s Seal, live and uncensored.
Well, we can’t all be Chris Clarke, y’know… :p
Wow, “Recount” is painful, and it’s only just started. Warren Christopher … ugh. I think I have to turn this off.
Lovely photo, ms_x.
First Mars pictures coming in now.
yes thanks for posting the link ms xeno…
you know, for a few weeks before he abandoned his blog, and sadly erased, Scruggs was posting info and photos of urban … well not always gardens, urban land use, that would be more accurate. And I found them so wonderful. And the great practical information that went along with…
Miss that. More photos of energetic little flowering plants please.
Aaarghh…. I skimmed through the Danica Patrick “satire”. Both it and most of the commentary were hideous.
On the bright side, I think it’s good that this kind of stuff is coming out into the open – both Patrick and HC are hitting the guys where it hurts. They both “invaded” a male bastion and are clearly focused on slashing their way to the top. I LOVED today’s story of Patrick ripping off her helmet and advancing on the guy’s pit:
The pic of her is priceless. That is one tough woman who is not going to take any shit from anybody.
Oops, sorry, here’s the link to the story.
i saw film of Danica marching toward the other pit… and security cathcing up to her.
LOL
Glad you guys caught the pitwalk, too. 🙂
(But how come the Miami Herald is implying that she collided with him, and not vice versa?)
From MSNBC’s immediate post-race story (which may be different now, dunno), I clipped this:
hey ms x, thanks for the lovely pic.
I have a couple of cacti/succulents who are coming forth with unexpected blossoms right now. I’ll take pics.
More on the pitwalk in spam.
(But how come the Miami Herald is implying that she collided with him, and not vice versa?)
Yes I wondered, as I first read that he clipped her car. Vehicle.
Yeah, well, you know how those women drivers are. >:-/
wowow … she looks PISSED.
ms x., re: McKinney: I have nothing against her but I don’t know much about her. I heard some stuff about her contretemps with the cops at the Capitol and from what I heard, I was on her side. I think I posted at DKos about it.
As Jesse V. said in one of his recent interviews, it’s all about name recognition – that’s why the candidates spend so much money on campaigning.
It’s also why people who are famous perfomers in some other profession (e.g, Ventura, Schwarzenegger, Sonny Bono, Steve Largent, Jim Bunning et al.) have a huge advantage in getting elected.
I know I’ve plugged them both around here before, but Paradise Express (Fr.) and The Human Flower Project are both pretty nifty botanical/art blogs with cool pix.
HRH, you might enjoy this, at the latter: Warm the Cacti, Cool the Computers.
Doesn’t she?
“ALERT SECURITY!!!!”
Shit, some cacti gone to spam now too.
Sorry Marisacat!
Yeah, he hit her. From the current version of the AP article at MSNBC (which, by the way, still describes Patrick’s mid-race, pre-pit-stop communications with her crew as “tirades”):
sorry IB
both are out now. Despite all the errors that WP makes [sigh]… I have it set to block first time comments. I think it read “IB” as a new commenter.
the green is so beautiful, ms_x. i’ve got a bunch of xeriscape doing pretty well, but it’s a lot more greyish green, not that deep northwest lushness.
48 – Of course she’s fucking PISSED. She’s a fierce competitor in a dangerous, life-threatening sport. She’s tougher and more aggressive than most men in the world.
People have to learn to deal with that.
Yeah, I started to post a simple experiment using IB (to see if WordPress liked that better) and then I got all distracted by the cacti and hit “say it!” before remembering I’d changed the name window.
If I really wanted to annoy everybody I would try another, now that IB’s virgin comment is out of the way. . . .
For the inconvenience, some ferns.
oh, I didn’t mean it as a criticism. I just wouldn’t want to see someone that made coming after me.
Hell, I remember reading stories of fights breaking out between drivers after incidents like that. Off course her first impulse is to go after him.
IB
yeah owen paine of Stop Me Before I Vote Again used to use new names all the time. owen p, op, st paine, scarlet paine…
and so on. Fine with me… not a problem…
Merci encore!
😉
Taps foot impatiently . . . prepares to commence tirade . . . .
Hee hee.
Madman – it’s a made maid world!
:Ducks:
🙂
I’m not a racing fan, but back in high school I picked up a book on AJ Foyt. It told the stories of all his crashes and injuries and fistfights. There were a few photos of him wrestllng with a lion. His friends thought it would be a funny gag.
I liked him.
But I like Helio Castroneves better.
Quickstep!
Hey, for pro athletes dancing, it doesn’t get much better than this. And this. Emmitt is the coolest.
I think Helio is the one responsible for the new tradition of pouring the milk over your head at Indy. (Spraying the milk on one’s teammates, I think, is an older tradition.) He did it when he first won Indy and it was so incredibly goofy. I don’t think he knew what to do with the milk.
As for Danica, I think the only people who are shocked by her radio comments and pit behavior are peanut gallery folks; I’m sure her crew knows her personality well. People are going to have to understand that women express themselves differently. What matters is their performance on the track (i.e., in a constant life or death situation) and clearly she has the trust and respect of her competitors.
Oh, and for better or worse, that pitwalk is going to be legend. The good thing is, she’s in a sport where larger-than-life personalities are a big attraction.
So, when are the Mars primaries?
drive by linkage
just for fun
SKYplay
An interesting discussion/podcast: Haycast 02: The state of America; Gore Vidal chats to Claire Armitstead, while Christopher Hitchens, Naomi Klein and George Monbiot dissect religion and politics in the House of Hay
67, NYCO: People are going to have to understand that women express themselves differently.
Well that’s just it – she doesn’t. That’s why I brought up AJ Foyt, who also had a hair-trigger temper and was famous for engaging in physical confrontations.
The one who “expresses herself differently” in a “female” way is Sarah Fisher, who was in tears and apologizing after yesterday’s crash.
I think the Germans are particularly adept at inventing hybrid words they feel a need for, for which there are none in their lexicon, that hone in on a particular nuance or phenomenon – perhaps new, perhaps not – that needs to be expressed. Thinking of zeitgeist. And schadenfreude. Taking a page from them, it occurs to me that there should be a word for the combined wow-yawn sensation I feel in response to much that occurs in our political sphere, no, box.
Like what I read a couple of posts back that Obama said. Wow and yawn, concurrent.
“Wow”, as in, Obama really said all that about our ‘enmeeze’ (!!!) (Chavez, Los Hermanos Cubanos… lol, gawd) and, simultaneously, “yawn” (Zzzzz… ). “Wow” because it is breathtakingly boneheaded, but “yawn” because it is so expected, the grinding on Groundhog Day quality of our political sphere – only it’s more a box than a sphere.
He’s doing the squared dance, the boxed in dance, the boxed prefab of road to the white house. He’s in the process of cubing himself, snipping off any raggedy corners and loose threads (that could, blessedly, unravel and free us from the bad weave, free us to move to real change) in order to pass inspection by the mind thugs in charge.
I expect little else anymore.
Any German wordsmiths in the house?
(They sure are busily buffing all the potential ‘Carter’ off him, on Israel, arent they!)
Report: Carter says Israel has 150 nuclear weapons
Go Jimmy.
I was talking more about Patrick’s “tirade” on her radio when she was getting exasperated with her crew — after exhaustively describing the precise technicalities of her car’s performance — and saying “I… am… SLOW!” (meaning her car was not performing correctly) You wouldn’t hear a male driver express himself in quite that way.
I remember when Fisher was supposed to be the first woman to win an Indycar race, and now she’s struggling to find sponsors, which to me shows how brutal it still is to be a woman driver in a sport where it seems there is only enough “room” for one “lady driver.” However, what’s great about Indy this year was that there were three female drivers (Milka Duno was the other) who were not rookies.
Patrick’s win in Japan was not really a breakthrough; given her talent and her firm backing by a top team, it was only a matter of time before she scored a victory. Same as with any male driver.
Memories of Iraq haunted soldier until suicide
Hey Germans:
I need another word, one for both fascinated and disgusted by… as in Peter Hart’s focus groups on Cspan. Ever checked in on any of them? Hoo boy. He’s on Washington Journal today, reporting on his recent findings.
#49, hrh:
Here’s some good clips of McKinney on the road
On Israel/Palestine/AIPAC at the Green Party Debates.
McKinney with Cindy Sheehan, denouncing Pelosi.
McKinney on joining the Green Party (The longest clip.)
I also recommend seeing American Blackout;Not just for McKinney herself, but for the extras involving the Good Ol’ Boy culture on Capital Hill. A couple of long-time Black employees speak about it as one of the film’s extra segments, under condition of anonymity.
Let’s face it: The media despises McKinney, unlike Ventura. Who whatever his faults and strengths is still what the media loves to peddle: A wealthy tough White guy talking tough. If you want to know about her, they’re not going to help you much with the legwork.
http://www.runcynthiarun.org/
NYCO and NYCee out of moderation…
sorry for the delay!
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For those of you who use Firefox:
Firefox add-on deletes ads, inserts curated works of fine art
Hey, I’m glad so many folks liked the yard pictures. I hope to have more next weekend. hrh, I can’t wait to see the cacti. wu ming, just think of all the sun-loving stuff you can grow that I can only admire and worship from afar. 😉
Was it melvin (does he still post here ?) or IB or both that mentioned thyme as a tough little xeriscape plant ? Mine is thriving and flowering in the corner strip. I just shaped it in the corners with trimmers like it was a tiny little hedge. The only sad part is that there’s no way I could consume all the sweet-smelling clipping that I removed, and there’s not a square inch in this dinky house to set the stuff out to dry.
Tiny house + huge lot. Bah. I hope that style of architecture has long since gone out of style.
Mcat, I can email Scruggs about those old links on raised beds and food gardens, if you like. I have yet to graduate to food gardening, except for a few herbs and strawberries, when I have time to tend them well.
The Gore interview was fun (MM link, upthread)
Lol. Nice ending.
I’d say, having heard him here and there the past few years, as in this video, he’s lost a certain mental elasticity that is commonly lost to the aging. He still can and does deliver zingers but he cant weave them into a cohesive piece, incongruities and all. Single strands stand out, but it seems he cant really go back and forth and put the pieces together.
For example, he couldnt go back to what he had earlier said about the extreme ignorance of Americans (a sucker born every minute is our national motto, or something like that, he said), when he was challenged later on to answer as to why Bush ‘won’ twice. He could only say it was stolen in 2000 and 2004. He failed to put forth, in tandem, the weird prongs of Republican platform elitism and hordes of non elites who vote for them. But these less fortunate GOPpers count (and their votes count… how could Bush even get in striking distance by 04 without them!) in the vast swath of ignorant suckers he had earlier referenced so pointedly. A little theft (GOP-operatives, black robes, et al) certainly helps to advance the ball just over the finish line, but the proBush little people moved it close enough to work. Not that that mitigates the wrongness of the theft… but it is part of the discussion.
As to why Gore said he preferred Clinton, it’s odd. He is so fervently vocal in opposition to things she’s voted for or given the nod to… the torture that got sanctified, the shredding of magna carta/constitution principles; aye vote for the war in Iraq, permanent bases, etc. She wanted to criminalize flag burning. You’d think he would dismiss them both equally or single her out for greater disgust.
I also see here where he voiced a preference for Obama earlier on. Well, the synapses are less nimble, as I said, and also, he seems not to care all that much… just to say something is enough, in old age. He almost seems to just indulge his whims at times, but maybe he just does the best he can.
I noticed less nimbleness in Chomsky, too, the last few times I saw him debate or talk.
Doesnt take away from my respect and gratitude for them. Deeply deserved. Rich, rare, unique minds that have delivered gems over time, each in his own way.
HA!
I remember the last Hart focus group in 2004 before voting… The Kos crowd were sure all twelve would vote for Kerry. I saw at least 7 would vote for Bush.
Funny how it works that way… LOL
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oh thanks for the offer to email Scruggs… but I just enjoyed them as they rolled out… I am not that energetic… I just cut slips of what I have and set them in water in an old cup on the porch til I maybe pot it… But I enjoyed his posts as he put them up… Like reading cookbooks when I barely cook… 😉
I don’t know if Lucid is around, but I thought he’d get a chuckle from this nerd/science/philosophy comic.
It snowed here again last nite. Where’s that global warming, dammit?! 😉
Cynthia McKinney Goes Green: controversial congresswoman brings campaign for Green presidential nomination to Sacramento
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I got a chuckle out of it. Thanks.
et no presidential candidate from either major political party support single-payer health care.
Because ti is on the floor with impeachment. And the republic.
yvw cstar.
My neighborhood got an 89 for walkability.
Walk Score
Former WA Green candidate Aaron Dixon was on Goodman’s show last month.
But remember. If the candidates can’t reach anyone but us Caucazoid brie-munchin’ fancy sweater wearin’ NPR types, IT’S ALL THEIR FAULT !! By the way, I totally missed NPR’s continued coverage of all the 2006 Green campaigns. Since I am obviously physically/psychically attached to NPR at all times, I wonder how this was possible ?
It’s a good thing a certain newly-minted Obama acolyte didn’t have to spend 1.45 minutes looking up this interview the other day and reading about 3rd Party candidates with roots in minority communities, or his hands would probably have fallen off and what would he have to wring now ?
:p
The Libertarians had a debate. Who knew? Here’s the clip about the so-called war on drugs.
fwiw
walk score
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Oh, you just have to love cops:
community policing at its finest.
NYPD Launches Stealth Surveillance Copter
Is it just me, or is that last sentence creepy as fucking hell?
9/11 simply became an excuse. Aimless revenge, scatter shot hatred. Whatever. Everybody and the fire hydrant a hero.
Brave nation.
A little Mars lander humor for Catnip
A Kunstlerian take on Memorial Day:
98. A little Mars lander humor for Catnip
lol…I think that’s where the moon “landing” happened too.
86 – Watch out for falling objects tomorrow morning, too.
Le Grand Saut. (Alternative stunt name: Jackass: The Jetsons Edition)
92 – What’s the online equivalent of Hang up and drive?
nu thread….
LINK
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I say a drinking betting game. How soon til we get to 5 dollar a gallon gas? Three months? 6? 9?
For regular, I mean…. For unleaded or premium we are well over 4.10 around here. Regular hit 4.07 some days ago.
Showdown in Dallas: ExxonMobil faces shareholder revolt
Fred and Wilma get a little dabba do time in Brussels:
Sigh. (So much for acronyms.)
Rockefellers and Flintstones in the mod pod.
Tanks. 😉
IB
I added your Exxon and Wilma and Fred to the new post, along iwth madman’s Kunstler comment…
link to the new thread at 102
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The Greenpeace photos are pretty cute.
(FYI – I forgot to close the blockquote after “spokeswoman said.”)