What can I say… ;) la Louche does not “apologise profusely” 5 March 2007
Posted by marisacat in DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.trackback
Open thread…
Oooops! the last thread got to 100 faster than I had expected, so I am not ready. but LOL not apologising… 😉
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UPDATE, 12:30 pm
via IOZ… and I think it is right on target…
What the System Says
Arthur Silber examines the story of the Walter Reed scandal and says that the story no one is getting is that the process through which the story came to light is, in a sense, more important than the story itself.
The story, he says, is that politicians are cowards and are motivated to action, such as it is, only though concerted effort and repetitious outrage. He says, and he’s right about this too, that it’s inconceivable the military leadership was unaware of what was going on.
He says, and he’s right about this, that it’s inconceivable the Congress, or at least the important members on the appropriate committees and subcommittees, didn’t know what was going on. He says the real story here is that they would all happily have let it continue and paid it no mind, but for the slow trickle of reports, the gradual appearance of certain news stories, and finally the reportage of a major newspaper.
He says that what we should understand is that none of the major players in this story—not the Congress, not the military brass, not the Secretary of Defense—is trying to right a wrong; they are trying to fix an embarrassment. [snip]
BINGO on “what he says… ” However! IOZ goes on to say more. And, let me be agreeable here, IOZ is right too…
Long time ago there was a movie with a young Kiefer Sutherland, about the aftermath of the Vietnam War, set in a ward in a VA hospital (will hunt up the title as well as the Ehrenreich NYT essay.. have not forgotten) for amputees… men in wheelchairs being shafted. Men in wheelchairs forced to struggle for basics…
Nothing has changed. Little will change.
BTW, iirc Nora O”Donnell’s mother is some Big Wig Volunteer out at WRH.
Might as well laugh, wrap the car, the front porch and all the trees on the front lawn in yellow ribbon. Should be on sale soon.
Fire Sale!
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Marisacat 
I posted this in the last thread incase anyone didn’t know, but the Walter Reed Hearings are on C Span today:
Walter Reed Hearings
Lol, Marisacat, good for you. It reminds me of the advice given by Nonpartisan (I think that’s who it was ) to a banned ‘Kossack’. He advised her to grovel and said that’s what he would do. I couldn’t believe anyone would actually do that just to post on blog. No wonder we have bullies. As long as there are those who will allow themselves to be bullied. And I’ve noticed that ‘grovelling’ on dk is rewarded. Make the bullies feel good. Sort of like feeding trolls.
LOL I remember reading that comment. That (grovel to daddy) was a scam that the site ran after a big(gish) purge, where they even netted in (and this was clearly DHinMI, always his nag about recommending questionable diaries) people who just recommended a certain couple of diaries.
Plenty groveled and were reinstated. After being advised that was available.
What a scam!
hell I never wrote anyone when I was banned. I reissused without comment a piece I had written at LSF on free speech.
Of course since then I have had quite a bit of fun iwth the poor tired wanna be authoritarians.
Weaklings.
Ha !!! Watch the Boyz trip over themselves trying to pretend that not ALL OF THE DEMOCRATIC ARE FOR NUCLEAR WAR WITH IRAN
Of course Luscious Vagina is up first not sure who he is really batting for…??? Just alot of his usual blovations…
At some point they are going to realize how embarrassing this all is.
To use words like “low yield” or “small” or “mini-” nuclear weapon is like speaking of being a little bit pregnant. Nuclear war is nuclear war! It crosses the moral line.
Progressives managed to blunt the “surge” idea by telling the truth about “escalation.” Nuclear war against Iran and nation destruction constitute the ultimate escalation.
The time has come to stop the attempt to make a nuclear war against Iran palatable to the American public. We do not believe that most Americans want to start a nuclear war or to impose nation destruction on the people of Iran. They might, though, be willing to support a tit-for-tat “surgical” “attack” on Natanz in retaliation for small canister bombs and to end Iran’s early nuclear capacity.
It is time for America’s journalists and political leaders to put two and two together, and ask the fateful question: Is the Bush administration seriously preparing for nuclear war and nation destruction? If the conventional GBU-28’s will do the job, then why not take nuclear war off the table in the name of controlling the spread of nuclear weapons? If GBU-28’s won’t do the job, then it is all the more important to have that discussion.
This should not be a distraction from Iraq. The general issue is escalation as a policy, both in Iraq and in Iran. They are linked issues, not separate issues. We have learned from Iraq what lack of public scrutiny does.
I had seen this pic, as it was posted at Black Agenda Report last week…
but someone just sent me this via Angry Arab.
Enjoy… or be dyspeptic.
BTW, Webb is on the floor fo the senate talking about bush and Iran. how he talks of “no options off the table”. Although AGAIN he is saying he “opposed IRaq War as Iran was the danger”.
Gee.
Sweetie, it is ALL OF YOU.
language lessons from Luscious Vagina:
To me (0 / 0)
Cunt is a synoym of Bitch, and the male equivalent of that is Bastard or Asshole.
I don’t see the big deal on swear words.
To equate its use to that of the F word re Edwards or the racist N-word slur is not apt or correct in any way.
Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc
I support Barack Obama for President.
by Lucius Vorenus on Mon Mar 05, 2007 at 11:49:22 AM PST
oh that is cuz “faggot” hits home with the Boyz.
Always worrying: am I manly. So bully boy of them all. Probably brought up iwth those simplistic exhortations to “be a man”.
Funny!
Oh, I think I was just weighing in on that DK diary. I saw LV and BTD in the house. I carted over the SMBIVA link. And I blockquoted the rather stinging indictment it ended on. Oh dear.
Anyway, dropping off this little tidbit I found while strolling the links… gives a bit of insight into how deep is his Israel ‘love,’ who helped him form his speech – DiFi and Bill Nelson folk amongst them.
Obama to Offer Pro Israel Views at Chicago Gathering
Here’s the unpleasant finale:
Brrr… Ugh… I knew that about Giuliani. He made a big stink about not letting Afafat into a big affair hosted for foreign leaders. No wonder he’s #1 on that list of candidate’s running on “how good they are for Israel.”
(Just heard Randi Rhodes say Giuliani’s daughter wont speak to him because he used to drag the mistress – now wife – into Gracie Mansion. It used to piss off the son too. Ah, he must not rule us, folks. Shall we remind everyone his first marriage was to his COUSIN? I say YES!)
So called Democratic leaders, yunno the movers and shakers… are soooo loyal to the Democratic Party:
Sounds like Al From… is getting nervous that Hilliary ain’t gonna make it… she is sinking like a rock the more people take a closer look. The fact that the DLC is looking for alternatives… is telling. I think it is also telling that they are more than nervous that Hilliary will not be able to pull off the early February primaries… that basically end the race nine months before they are started… and it is even more telling that this article omitted to mention the big assed elephant in the room named “Al Gore”…
The DLC are spreading its bets… I think Bloomberg will be a Perot and do more damage to the GOP than Dems. But what is interesting is that the DLC has had to revert to a more librul progressive GOPer …cuz they made all the Dems so conservative.
o get off it, D Throat! dontcha know that framing shit is so yesteryear?
(insert obligatory wink . . .
after decades of instilling fear of nuclear weapons/war in the public, how on earth can one expect us to use those words in any connection to our plans, outside, of course, some “in the face of an imminent attack” nunsense then again they never really accepted just how crazy MAD was/is – nor how many strangeloves the WH/congress/jointchiefs has sheltered?
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I still really don’t get how george canbe saying this:
Progressives managed to blunt the “surge” idea by telling the truth about “escalation.”
didn;t the dems just vote an extra $20 mil to keep the escalation going? err . . . ‘support our troops’
Oh … only a second cousin.
Which was the same as FDR and Eleanor, according to what I read.
Back to the muck pits. 🙂
LOL no matter how one feels about cunt it def is not the same as bitch.
That is just hilarious.
the british use “cunt” for everyone, never mind the gender.
liberally.
Oh I think there was a feeble war cry that went out that finally changed the framing of “surge” to “escalation”…
But as you see from all of the Boyz no one is willing to to change the frame of “off the table” to the real meaning of “nuclear war”. which means as Lakoff suggests this vast left wing gabfest is actually aiding and abetting the conservative call for nuclear war…. just in the fact as you saw in that thread … all the tread bullies descended to stop the debate….
As Armando stated… he is impressed.
Bill Blum:
The journalistic point is clear. Journalists and political leaders should not talk about an “attack.” They should use the words that describe what is really at stake: nuclear war — in boldface.
Then, there is the scale of the proposed attack. Military reports leaking out suggest a huge (mostly or entirely non-nuclear) airstrike on as many as 10,000 targets — a “shock and awe” attack that would destroy Iran’s infrastructure the way the US bombing destroyed Iraq’s. The targets would not just be “military targets.” As Dan Plesch reports in the New Statesman, February 19, 2007, such an attack would wipe out Iran’s military, business, and political infrastructure. Not just nuclear installations, missile launching sites, tanks, and ammunition dumps, but also airports, rail lines, highways, bridges, ports, communications centers, power grids, industrial centers, hospitals, public buildings, and even the homes of political leaders. That is what was attacked in Iraq: the “critical infrastructure.” It is not just military in the traditional sense. It leaves a nation in rubble, and leads to death, maiming, disease, joblessness, impoverishment, starvation, mass refugees, lawlessness, rape, and incalculable pain and suffering. That is what the options appear to be “on the table.” Is nation destruction what the American people have in mind when they acquiesce without discussion to an “attack”? Is nuclear war what the American people have in mind? An informed public must ask and the media must ask. The words must be used.
Even if the attack were limited to nuclear installations, starting a nuclear war with Iran would have terrible consequences — and not just for Iranians. First, it would strengthen the hand of the Islamic fundamentalists — exactly the opposite of the effect US planners would want. It would be viewed as yet another major attack on Islam. Fundamentalist Islam is a revenge culture. If you want to recruit fundamentalist Islamists all over the world to become violent jihadists, this is the best way to do it. America would become a world pariah. Any idea of the US as a peaceful nation would be destroyed. Moreover, you don’t work against the spread of nuclear weapons by using those weapons. That will just make countries all over the world want nuclear weaponry all the more. Trying to stop nuclear proliferation through nuclear war is self-defeating.
As Einstein said, “You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war.”
Cheney has a blood clot in his leg. If it stays there he’ll be fine, I think.
oops, here’s the BB link:
http://killinghope.org/aer43.htm
(hope that wasn’t for my sake, dt – I was pointing to that GL piece as soon as it came out
sigh.
Democrats are for options about war.
But not for options for Katrina victims.
So clear.
o man is IOZ on target w/ that!
guess Murtha who supposedly has visited every week since this war began didn’t notice anything amiss? ride that painted pony, o mighty warrior!
spinnin’ wheel
gotta go ’round . . .
Hey D. Throat, I’ve been meaning to tell you that I greatly appreciate your hammering away at the nuclear war issue. Maybe the younger whippersnappers in the blogosphere – like, say, PsiFighter, who is all of 20 as I understand it – don’t have the same reaction, but to those of my born-in-the-’60s generation, the idea of nuclear war is very real, and viscerally terrifying. If the US drops a nuke – even just a little tiny one, if such a thing exists (“Monsieur, a wafer-thin mint!“) on anyone, we are ALL FUCKED. It’s exactly like the Geneva Convention issue. There are certain things that civilized countries simply don’t do, and don’t accept others doing. Not only will we be isolated by our former allies, but our enemies won’t think twice about giving us the same treatment. We would deserve it.
So are we. In fact I think that’s why some people are so open to the idea of using nuclear bombs – they’re still thinking about the burning WTC and the “jumpers” hitting the pavement.
from the extended IOZ essay:
BINGO!
And as Dana Priest reported on MSNBC, the names of aides of senators running for El Presidente! are penned by the side of the public phones, their names and direct numbers are passed around. The aides can “get stuff done” sometimes…
It is the way it is… meant to be.
But congress is SO SHOCKED!!
I suspect Loserius Viagrus didn’t do very well on his Miller Analogies tests.
Marisacat
Lol, you definitely have – but they are easy targets, very amusing in that they are so sure they are right, well, until they change their minds!
Omg, Luscious V. is a virtual expert on all the nasty words to use against women. Trying to excuse his vile use of the word by ‘explaining’ his definition of it.
It looks like everything is ON THE TABLE except the Constitution of course. That was taken off the table by Pelosi when she soothed any fears Bush et al might have had about using impeachment to remove them from office for their crimes.
They ARE talking about nuclear weapons. They have made no secret of it – tactical nuclear weapons will be used to destroy Iran’s nuclear bunkers. I have read what that would do, not just to Iran but to surrounding areas. It is estimated that if the US uses these weapons, as many as a million people may die. And then there would be the after effects, cancer etc.
Funny to see the operatives desperately trying to explain it all away. We heard the same language ‘nothing is off the table’ regarding Iraq.
Heard it all before, and heard all the same explanations also, only last time I heard what btd said, was from rightwingers back in 2002.
The lesson from the Walter Reed scandal is that when the media is working, when it’s doing its job, Politicians must respond. Imagine if they had done their job before the war, or when George Bush was running for office.
here is an interesting link, with Mark Benjamin who reported on bad care for years, thru UPI… And I remember his reports – and cable picked them up – in summer of 2003, cable sent crews to Fort Stewart…they talked to wives, young wives of “fodder” soldiers:
Link … and a snip:
As I said, stupid, ugly and mean. The truly sad part is he is a star at DK, the best they have to offer.
dt:
much as he often annoys me anymore (& I’m a long-time reader of his work – Women Fire & Dangerous Things a near bible for years), this is the kind of plain-speak the American public does understand – & fear – a useful point for anyone still writing letters to t he Ed
LOL Dem party organiser.
🙂 Propped up day after day.
Marisacat, I remember that story about Fort Stewart. I remember people posting links to it on various forums. Anyone who was online at the time, new about it. It does show how little effect blogs really have. It still takes a major news outlet to cover a story before the public pays attention.
Outofwater, DD/Luscious Vagina is a despicable individual. Funny that he did not spell out the word ‘faggot’ but had no problem with the word ‘cunt’. No wonder there are so few women on that site. He just verbalizes the general attitude, set by kos himself, towards women, in a more graphic way.
I only wish the US press would catch up to this story:
But RULLY Big Boyz… that would be Obama and iirc Hillary as well, JUST came out for ethanol.
I mean, we have NEW fictions of wood chip fuel.. if I have read the sludge right. Other sorts of vegetative shards that will SAVE US!!
or save Archer Daniels Midland.
…tie a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree… etc.
Well the stories in summer of 03 died away for lack of “Democratic certification” .. which is one way of saying, media was there alone.
And cables DID send crews to Ft Stewart. but the army clamped down hard. The wife of base officer, forget the name, quickly marshalled the little wives of privates and lance corporals… the ones who had spoken up… and we can imagine the threats.
Clark did some ineffectual chatter.. and some said he should to down to Ft Stewart. But you know, Dem party stalking horse. Not gonna do it.
THE Dems did not pick it up and run iwth it. Being afraid of 04. Or 08. Or 12.
And so on.
arcturus
Ah… but if you listen to Al Gore… he identifies this very problem and makes the case for Cellulosic ethanol
Conventional ethanol and cellulosic ethanol are the same product, but are produced utilizing different feedstocks and processes. Conventional ethanol is derived from grains such as corn and wheat or soybeans. Corn, the predominant feedstock, is converted to ethanol in either a dry or wet milling process. In dry milling operations, liquefied corn starch is produced by heating corn meal with water and enzymes. A second enzyme converts the liquefied starch to sugars, which are fermented by yeast into ethanol and carbon dioxide. Wet milling operations separate the fiber, germ (oil), and protein from the starch before it is fermented into ethanol.
Cellulosic ethanol can be produced from a wide variety of cellulosic biomass feedstocks including agricultural plant wastes (corn stover, cereal straws, sugarcane bagasse), plant wastes from industrial processes (sawdust, paper pulp) and energy crops grown specifically for fuel production, such as switchgrass. Cellulosic biomass is composed of cellulose, hemicellulose and lignin, with smaller amounts of proteins, lipids (fats, waxes and oils) and ash. Roughly, two-thirds of the dry mass of cellulosic materials are present as cellulose and hemicellulose. Lignin makes up the bulk of the remaining dry mass.
save Archer Daniels Midland
*ding!*
& ADM is the major sponsor of what, now?
well they largely sponsor ABC. LOL… And the old man was a big friend and supporter of HHH.
Still amazes me that the son went to jail, tho I have not followed the story in years.
My take on the whole ethanol debate is that is should be developed by “Mom and Pop” producers… small farmers and cooperatives.
I think it is ridiculous to subsidize multi billion dollar corporations which will only keep the cost of the fuel at the higest limit the market will bear.
Meanwhile back at the ol’ DOW ranch:
2/27 Tues: -416
2/28 Wed: +52
3/1 Thurs: – 34
3/2 Fri: : -120.24
3/5 Mon: -63.69
Rebound: -581.93
from the Telegraph:
“And hours after yesterday’s presentation a high-ranking US official admitted that, despite spending $22 billion on reconstruction across Iraq, the Americans didn’t expect Baghdad to have a 24-hour electricity supply until 2013.”
love the “rebound” update.
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“2013”… some candidate can run on bringing electricity to Baghdad. As most of NO will still be dark.
so fucking stuck.
I bet the girls are knocking his door down. He hit the the trifecta-stupid, ugly and mean.
I’ll bet he’s never had sex he hasn’t had to pay for
thats how dems won in the 30’s-50’s. They gave people water, roads and eclectricity. after civil rights what have the really had to offer america?
Revisionist, exactly.
And Schumer even cops to this. Said that after all the dems delivered (long long ago! and did not really maintain), whammo nobody needed government for decades. LOL I would argue otherwise… but nevertheless, his premise is
NOW they need us again! Cuz it is all so fucked up! mama Mia! We might get the vote!
ABC as well, huh? my thot was npr
dt: – that is, if ever . . .
more from Blum:
40th anniversary of the March on the Pentagon, coming up March 17; an excerpt from William Blum’s memoir.
October 21, 1967, the March on the Pentagon, surely one of the most extraordinary and imposing acts of protest and civil disobedience in history — the government hunkered down in its trenches in the face of an audacious assault upon its seat of power by its own citizens; a demonstration much bigger than the Bonus Marchers of 1932 (those depression-stricken World War One veterans demanding payment on their government bonus certificates NOW, not in some pie-in-the-sky future — the people peaceably assembled to petition the government for a redress of grievances, violently and humiliatingly squashed by federal troops under the command of a general named MacArthur, and his aide named Eisenhower, and their officer named Patton.)
After a stirring concert at the Reflecting Pool by Phil Ochs surrounded by 150,000 of his closest friends, most of the protestors marched over the Memorial Bridge to the war factory. Never to be forgotten: the roof of the Pentagon when the colossus first came into view and we marched closer and closer — soldiers standing guard, spaced across the roof from one side to the other, weapons at the ready, motionless, looking down upon us from on high with all the majesty of stone warriors or gods atop a classical Greek temple. For the first time that day I wondered — not without excitement — what I was letting myself in for.
This was wholly unlike my first protest at the Pentagon. This was not a group of Quaker pacifists sworn to non-violence, who could bring out the least macho side of even professional military men, and who would be received cordially in the Pentagon cafeteria. Today, we were as welcome and as safe as narcs at a biker rally. Our numbers included many the boys at the Pentagon must have been itching to get their hands on, like those in the Committee to Aid the National Liberation Front, with their Vietcong flags, and SDS, and other “anti-imperialist” groups, who became involved in some of the earliest confrontations that day.
In sharp contrast to the likes of these were the illuminati like Norman Mailer, Marcus Raskin, Noam Chomsky, Robert Lowell, Dwight McDonald — men in dark suits, white shirts and ties as if to ward off evil spirits with the cross of respectability.
In the vast parking lot to which we were confined, open hostility was kept in check at first, but it was clear that the peace was only an inch deep. Repeated draft-card burnings took place — a veritable performance, with flaming cards held high and flaunted square in the irises of the soldiers, whose faces were masked in studied indifference. Although this augured conflict of unpredictable dimensions, I found it exhilarating to see all those young people acting so principled and fearless. I was sorry that I was too old to have a card to burn.
Scattered pockets of mild confrontation broke out, soon unfolding into more widespread and serious clashes. At one spot a Vietnam teach-in for the troops was broken up by MPs with clubs. Later, 82nd Airborne Division paratroopers, veterans of Vietnam, entered the scene, bayonets fixed, face to face at last with these people they had been hearing about so much, the privileged little sons of bitches whose incessant crying about international law and morality and god-knows-what-else gave aid and comfort to the enemy, the cowardly little snotnosed draft-dodgers who wallowed in sex and dope while the GIs wallowed in mud and death (and dope as well).
The paratroopers proceeded to kick ass — after ‘Nam this was a church picnic — and many bruised and battered demonstrators were carried away to waiting prison busses, helping to swell the day’s total arrestees to near 700. The protestors, whose only defense was to lock arms, appealed to the soldiers to back off, to join them, to just act human, shouting through a bull horn: “The soldiers are not our enemy, the decision makers are.” Though this was a sincere declaration, its failure to sway their attackers gave way to angry, impotent curses of “bastards” and “motherfuckers”.
I had no big argument with the idea that the soldiers’ bosses were the real enemy, but I had real difficulty with the expressions of “love” for the GIs that some silly hippie types allowed to pass their lips. The soldiers, after all, had made decisions, just as others of their generation had opted for draft evasion or Canada. These soldiers, in particular, were fresh from the killing fields. The idea of “individual responsibility” is not just a conservative buzzword.
Several eyewitnesses told the Washington Free Press that in other areas of the “battlefield” they saw as many as three soldiers drop their weapons and helmets and join the crowd, and that at least one of them was seized and dragged into the Pentagon by MPs soon afterward. Later attempts to obtain information about these soldiers from the Pentagon were met with denials.
oh. Truly. He outdid himself.
The next piece up at the site is pull back, apologia for VA, as opposed to Army/WRH, hospitals. GMAFB.
arcturus1, I hate to say this, but that stuff from Blum reminds me strongly of Bowers.
O yes, where have we heard THAT tone before. I love these “muscular liberals” who are too tough and manly for that kind of behavior.
Really, this stuff is the same kind of chestpounding bushwah peddled by the big tough war correspondents of previous eras, but they had much more reason to consider themselves Big Swinging Dicks.
Just up at MyDD in the diaries, from the Nurses:
I can hear the echo, sv, but the gulf betwixt the two is too great for me to find much significance in it – tho yea, you’re quite right that BB’s got a little of that testosterone thang going on there as well – guess his anger at the state comes through for me – & the tenderness of:
. . . found it exhilarating to see all those young people acting so principled and fearless
in CA, the Nurses are the Opposition
The ‘purity’ of Booman
Even the Republicans in the Baker Report have said that it is the US troop present that is keeping the conflict going. So, this barfly is pulling facts straight from his ass and onto the frontpage of his crappy blog.
I guess this is renumeration for Dodd showing up for 20 minutes… and never returning…
Talk about “PURITY”… this is pure GOP conservative warmongering bullshit
What a fucking asshole… it has already been proven that the majority insurgent attacks in Iraq are committed by Sunni’s (on Shias and Americans)… who by the way are being funded by Saudi Arabia
This is just raunchy and pathetic… Someone needs to get a job. Hell working at the post office is more admirable than sitting around writing this shit… at least you’d some exercise and fresh air.
LOL
and the prostitutes charge him double.
Big Orange Bullies: now Annalize5 and JPete having the boot put into them. I hope these are JPete’s last words on DKos, because they’d be good ones:
WordPress ate a chunk of my mornings posts here and elsewhere. Did that happen to anyone else ? Feh.
Anyway, glad you all kept the electric fans going next to the BBB smoldering shitpile while I was toiling away in WA… 😀
#49 – sorry arcturus, I’ve lost patience with all that fake macho bullshit. Tired of the Boyz.
Anyway, the hippies had their own problems dealing with the destructive aspects of “manliness,” which is how we ended up with Second Wave feminism.
WP was down off and on…up and down over an hour earlier.. I was blocked from posting a new post for awhile… I left a comment in the previous thread that WP was having problems.
When I would refresh a page, it would put me at a “Error” notice page.
this barfly is pulling facts straight from his ass and onto the frontpage of his crappy blog.
not the 1st time – won’t be the last
I guess this is renumeration for Dodd showing up for 20 minutes… and never returning…
prolly not – he’s a true-believer (left-wing of the neo-lib washington consensus) – as devout as any fundie
BB is now one of the Boyz??? huh? i’m missing something . . .
hmm dunno… I Think Angry Arab has the heart beat (or whatever) of Mubarack…
Not his only quick slapwa at Hosni in the past couple of days. I love Angry Arab as he kicks EVERYONE.
LOL
oops meant to add, he slammed Abdullah of Jordan as well. Loves to kick at him as a dullard who plays at his playstation games all day long.
Mcat, what confused me was that it would say something like “this post is being saved elsewhere.” Very strange. I wasn’t even sure that the trouble was based at WordPress;Thought maybe it had something to do with the swarm of bugs I’ve been trying to work out since I got the Mac back.
the error page I would get would tell me that I was looking for something that “does not exist”… then tell me it is a “temporary error”…
It could be that WP is a bit too big for its systems. When I settled on WP they had 140K blogs…. now it is around 700K…
We’ll see…
Another left-wing of the neo-lib washington consensus
The whole point is that a government solution to financing of campaigns is the best thing to do. Sure, it may allow for more people power to do away with it, but it also allows for people who have far more money than any of us gain even greater influence. That’s why there’s a need to publicly finance campaigns; the libertarian solution you’re advocating would, IMO, release utter chaos on to the system and have costs on elections – already far too high – spiral further out of control.
by PsiFighter37 on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 11:12:09 PM EST
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Re: Obama would Rather Play Even than Win (none / 0)
No, it’s got limits.
by Jerome Armstrong on Sat Mar 03, 2007 at 11:32:38 PM EST
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Re: Obama would Rather Play Even than Win (none / 0)
What has limits? I know that there is a personal donation limit, but the average person can’t plunk down a $2,300 check. Furthermore, wealthier people know more people who can put down more of the same kind of checks.
by PsiFighter37 on Sun Mar 04, 2007 at 12:16:23 AM EST
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crickets….
[ms_xeno looks at D.Throat’s sample of the Collected Wit ‘N Wisdom of Jerome, puts on a scratchy LP of you-know-who singing “God Bless the Child,” and trots off to the kitchen in search of a double bourbon.]
Ms X: isn’t their theme song “Don’t Explain”?
right or wrong don’t matter
if you’re with me sweet . . .
I found the TruthOut reprint of Ehrenreich on Nader from the time she was a summer pinch hitter on NYT.
I would have posted it in the preceding thread to consolidate the conversation, but it – the thread – is way too long for some people on dial-up…
[a roll on the snare drum for arcturus. 😀 ]
Thanks for digging that up, Mcat. I don’t read Truthout much so I didn’t know they would have had it.
I did find Chris Randolph’s razz at Ehrenreich, though.
I wonder how Barb feels about Dennis nowadays ? Never mind. Not looking it up. Bad for my blood pressure.
Reposting the link i posted last nite
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3371983,00.html
because it goes so well with this story
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/02/28/israel.animal.ap/index.html
religous wackos dont just want to take us back to the Dark ages, they want to take us all the way back to iron age. now what happens if these people start winning elections over there. will the mandatory junket for our new congress people include slaughtering a calf?
maybe xeno can help me out here. have these fundementalists always been around or is this some new phenom?
…they want to take us all the way back to iron age.
Do I have to live in a cave? seems more intense than a burqua.
fyi:
Only in peripheral relation to your question, Revisionist, –but possibly worth a look anyway:
Thirty Years of Feminism In Israel
Bah. LaLouche ate another of my posts. :p
I wonder if Jerome looked in his crystal ball in his ‘reality based’ world to come up those words of wisdom? Or was he reading cards? Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but aren’t these guys supposed to be reality based? Otoh, in reality, if campaigns were publicly funded he couldn’t profit from them. Profits before country!
SuperV – I don’t know why jpete stays in that snake pit. She is far too nice a person, like so many others who could not watch the ‘lynchings’ by a bunch of cowards, she makes them look so bad. If only they could see themselves the way others do. And that Musings character is vicious piece of garbage.
I still would like to get them to a neutral ‘thunderblog’ (lol, thanks Marisacat) and watch them run crying to their mommies. Annalyze too, she’s way to sharp for that place.
What’s amazing is that they are truly paranoid now about ‘all those other blogs’ that are attacking them’, poor babies. Maybe they should ask themselves why are there so many, and why do the numbers keep growing? Couldn’t have anything at all to do with them.
Btw, it looks like some Ann Coulter’s advertisers have pulled their ads re her attack on Edwards using the word ‘faggot’. Kos better watch it re his advertisers with people like Luscious Vagina calling women cunts on that site. Way to alienate one of the largest voting blocks in the country –
Mcat, what confused me was that it would say something like “this post is being saved elsewhere.”
I have it now. Pay up.
re xeno #71 – there was a story the past couple of months about a visiting NY woman who was physically assulted because she wouldnt give up her seat to a man on a bus. It went from a verbal shouting match to her being shoved around and spit on.
Well I have nto looked at Kos this week, but last week he was without a premium ad and iwthout a second ad. Just the revolving ads, you pay one price and placement constantly revolves.
usually the one and two spot are MSM, iirc. I easily forget ads, so I could be wrong.
Revisionist, I’ve had female friends who went over there for a visit who had men throwing stones at them because they were wearing shorts. >: Just one more reason to stay the hell home from there, I think. I mean, I can put on a pair of shorts and walk up SE 82nd St. and get harassed in my native tongue for free.
ms_xeno… your comment was there, it slipped to spam. I bailed it out… 😉
Merci, Mcat. I will restrain my natural paranoia for one more evening. 😀
ms_xeno… your comment was there, it slipped to spam. I bailed it out…
Darn! I was hoping to get some ransom money out of the situation. Foiled again!
News on Iran:
Do you think Bush will talk to them now?
Neither do I.
They are so hilarious over there:
The sig line is a wonderful contrast in tone, eh?
The physics major in me has to respond to this. In fact, as someone who is uneasy in crowds, it’s hard to believe that I had one period in my life when I appeared in a couple of public forums, during the whole “No Nukes” thing, my advisor in the physics dept arranged a panel where several of his like-minded physics and engineering students did presentations on nuclear weapons. Mine was on “tactical” nukes, esp. nuclear artillery and “suitcase” nukes. Anyway, I offer that only as background for where I’m coming from. Take it or leave it.
Weapons are weapons. Bombs deliver blast effects (shrapnel), fire effects and, if nuclear, radiation. The main advantage, from an ECONOMIC standpoint, of nuclear weapons, is that it takes fewer of them to do the same damage. Dresden citizens are as dead as Hiroshima citizens, to be blunt, but Dresden took multiple sorties and Hiroshima took one bomber. To say that Hiroshima is more immoral is unsupportable, to my point-of-view. Dead is dead.
Every week I read of 2000 pound bombs killing civilians. Is it worse that multiple aircraft deliver multiple 2000 pound bombs, or one B-2 delivers one nuke? Is a pounding of heavy artillary quantitatively different than a single nuclear cruise missile to the people in the blast radius?
Dead is dead. Immoral is immoral. I don’t mean to pick on DT, I really don’t, but the only thing that makes nukes “worse” than waves of conventional munitions is their relative economical ease of use, but a country willing to slaughter by wire is immoral whether it uses a few munitions or multiple munitions. A “civilization” that harnesses it’s best and brightest to figure out efficient ways to decimate other human beings is evil, and not worthy of the word “civilized”.
As for the additional threat of radiation, again that is only a question of degrees, and one could argue that a “dirty” weapon that contaminates the spoils of bloody war has a certain “just desserts” quality to it.
Fuel-Air Explosives, Cluster bombs, tactical nukes … we should be ashamed that this “free” country, this “champion” of freedom, this “Republic”, has mechanized and commodified death to the extent that we have. Nuclear weapons are not “worse”, they are only more ” efficient … and thus the perfect representation of ” laissez-faire” American emperialism.
oops, meant that to read (including shrapnel).
Politics is the business of dkos, personality and discontent is the business of the sites Musing mentioned.
Damn near spit out my Coke when I read that!
Yeah, because that would be my big selling point once I hit the bloggin’ big time: We’re all blissfully contented in this warmongering shitheap of a country ! Plus, we don’t have personalities because Our Leaders prefer it that way !!
Catnip, you wouldn’t want a ransom in US money anyway. It’s boring looking and not worth anything…
MM – As a moral argument, I agree, dead is dead; mass death comes from ‘weapons of mass destruction’ of all forms – from nukes to Clinton’s Iraq sanctions (an act of overt warfare we won’t even acknowledge as such).
But I won’t minimize the cumulative environmental & human sonsequences of releasing additional radiotion into the atmosphere, soil, & water of the planet – those consequences simply aren’t comparable to firebombing a city (& you already know just how dirty the entire process is, from the mining to the unsolved waste issue). That too is a moral responsibility we refuse to own. Immoral. There I’d part with you – it’s a quantuum degree of difference to my mind.
What I tried to get at earlier is that the longstanding inculcated fear of nuclear weapons is something that can & should be used – hammered, whatever when speaking of this possibility – tactical reason enough to strongly support Lakoff, DT & anyone else who insists on saying the words aloud:
we’re planning to start a nuclear war
(meant to add that Gertrude Stein wrote a piece w/ a similar stance to MM’s – in her own inimical prose of course – the gist being she wasn’t all that overly impressed by a newer, bigger technology of death-making – I typed it out once & posted to bmt – mebbe I’ll hunt it up for ya
yeah, but it’s still worth more than a canadian buck is. I’m just sayin’… 😉
My, my, some people think so highly of themselves:
Yes, surely Daily Kos is a shining beacon of pure light in the eyes of the MSM, is it not? And how dare the unruly rabble dirty up the neighbourhood and try to make them all look bad! They must be banned!
It’s a glorified fucking chat room musing85. Get over yourself.
Oh this I agree with. After decades of scaring old people about Social Security (that would be the Dems that do that, on their drop ins at the Old Folks HOmes) you’d think they could sprinkle a little nuc-le-ar propaganda. Just to wake the nation… a bit. To the yellow haze about to appear off shore.
Nah.
Lordy! The one true threat?
Actually Blahger Boyz best look over their shoulder.
I don’t think the current lay of the land is gonna hold.
Sorta like the Hayward fault, due for a swarm or a big one.
It just stands to reason.
It’s a cumulative difference, not a qualitative difference Arcturus.
Does that make any sense?
A bullet to the brain vs beating to death in front of the victim’s family … is the second more evil? There is an argument that it is, but …
We can’t parse murder. I appreciate what you’re saying, that mass murderers are worse than serial killers are worse than spree killers are worse than killers-of-passion, but …
I can’t make that calculation anymore. I can’t “grade” levels of evil.
Rotfl SV, that is hillarious. And the sigline following the the angry diatribe about kicking out all their enemies is too much!
You people have to stop making me laugh, ms xeno you are too funny, and catnip too!
Stop, they are too funny! Musings didn’t get the memo. Wasn’t Bob Johnson following Buhdy around a day or so ago claiming Buhdy was making it up that dk tried silence those who favore Impeachment? So what’s this? Lol!
Bob Johnson swore this didn’t happen on dk. They just can’t seem to coordinate their message. Poor musings, so miserable about all the ‘enemies’ on dk. You’d think he’d be more worried about the slaughter going in Iraq or something. They really do need to get out more!
The Constitution according to Musings = ‘impeachment porn’ and ‘mindless shouting in the rain’
Why did those ‘purveyors of Impeachment porn’ Jefferson, Hamilton et al have to make life so difficult for poor old Musings? lol! And these are the bright lights that are going to put the media out of business – too funny, really!
dkos isn’t contaminated. dkos suffers from an auto-immune disorder.
all that “contaminated” tissue is healthy. its the immune system thats WHACKED!
‘mindless shouting in the rain’
Yes, once again, that Clash line is running through my head…
“Someday a real rain will come and wash all the scum off the streets.”
I appreciate what you’re saying, that mass murderers are worse than . . .
actually, I’m not going there – I’m happy to agree that dead is dead
what I’m trying to say is that the nuclear cycle introduces another whole order of immoral disaster beyond immediate targets of war – I suppose one cd analogize the poisoning of future generations – the planet itself – as another sort of collatoral damage? I guess my mind finds ithem useful to differentiate
Sez Musing:
Not to worry, champ. The feeling’s mutual.
New Thread…
Puh-Leeze! Don’t speak for Jesus!
that’s a great metaphor, bayprairie.
oh, and madman, i think the global consequences of all but an extremely limited nuclear exchange is of a magnitude of evil that it becomes qualitatively distinct from just your average blowing innocents to pieces.
but it is all evil, no argument there, and we should never let the comparison with a nuclear holocaust dull us to the torment and senseless destruction that conventional war is.