“I like this violence” 15 June 2007
Posted by marisacat in DC Politics, Israel/AIPAC, WAR!.trackback
Landed on this at a good aggregate for articles on the wars:
By Paul Woodward, War in Context, June 13, 2007
It is often assumed that “men of violence” always wear masks and brandish weapons, but those who stand on the sidelines and cheer the fight are also men of violence, none more so than Assistant Secretary of State and US Envoy to the Middle East, David Welch.
“I like the violence” — these were Welch’s words when fighting erupted between Hamas and Fatah in Gaza earlier this year. Welch may be in a less celebratory mood right now, but not because the violence is worse — simply because his side (a small faction inside Fatah) is losing.
The fact that the Bush administration has been instrumental in trying to foment a Palestinian civil war has been clearly documented by Conflicts Forum, but since the press in Washington has been too timid to dig in to this story, it has largely been ignored. ::snip::
From a round up piece at E Intifada:
[B]oth leaderships are hemmed in. Abbas appears to be entirely dependent on foreign and Israeli support and unable to take decisions independent of a corrupt, self-serving clique. Hamas, whatever intentions it has is likely to find itself under an even tighter siege in Gaza.
Abbas, backed by Israel and the US, has called for a multinational force in Gaza. Hamas has rejected this, saying it would be viewed as an “occupying force.” Indeed, they have reason to be suspicious: for decades Israel and the US blocked calls for an international protection force for Palestinians. The multinational force, Hamas fears, would not be there to protect Palestinians from their Israeli occupiers, but to perform the proxy role of protecting Israel’s interests that Dahlan’s forces are longer able to carry out and to counter the resistance — just as the multinational force was supposed to do in Lebanon after the July 2006 war.
Wise leaders in Israel and the United States would recognize that Hamas is not a passing phenomenon, and that they can never create puppet leaders who will be able to compete against a popular resistance movement. But there are no signs of wisdom: the US has now asked Israel to “loosen its grip” in the West Bank to try to give Abbas a boost. Although the Bush doctrine has suffered a blow, the Palestinian people have not won any great victory. The sordid game at their expense continues.
Armed Palestinian women, a show of force in GAZA during the assault on Lebanon, July 18, 2006
Do you still wonder whether there is a conspiracy? This is from an editorial of by the New York Times:
“Obviously, there can be no final peace agreement until Hamas either changes its policies or is chased from power.”
hmmm. We probably have to respect elections (and work for clean ones) at home, before we ever respect elections elsewhere.
It is all part of a whole.
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A long comment from JJB, near the close of the previous thread, so moving it forward:
BushCo. and Israel sure do have a knack for turning bad to worse:
As a calm settled over Gaza following five days of fighting in which Hamas completed its conquest of the Gaza Strip from its Fatah rivals, Palestinian leaders began to focus on the political aftermath.
President Mahmoud Abbas started the process of forming an emergency government in the West Bank city of Ramallah, choosing Salam Fayyad, a political independent, to take the lead as prime minister, according to several reports. He was finance minister in the Hamas-led unity government that Mr. Abbas dismissed on Thursday.
It was not clear that Mr. Abbas had the power to govern both the West Bank and Gaza territories.
“Prime Minister Haniya remains the head of the government even if it was dissolved by the president,” Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza, said. ‘’In practical terms, these decisions are worthless.”
Even Mr. Abbas’ supporters were dubious. “An emergency government would be meaningless here,” said Mkhaimar Abusada, a political scientist at the Fatah-affiliated Al Azhar University in Gaza. “It wouldn’t be able to do anything. Hamas is everywhere. That’s the bottom line.”
Hamas released 10 senior Fatah leaders detained in the Gaza fighting and announced a prisoner amnesty plan, according to wire reports. Other Fatah leaders — close to 100, according to The Associated Press — arrived in Egypt today after fleeing the Gaza fighting on a fishing boat. On the diplomatic front, the so-called quartet of Middle East peace negotiators — the United States, Russia, the United Nations and the European Union — planned talks today on boosting Mr. Abbas.
There’s a Spanish proverb that goes something like this: “Raise crows, and they will pluck out your eyes.” Israel nurtured Hamas as a foil to Fatah, thinking it would be easy to manipulate I suppose, or maybe they didn’t bother to think ahead, just did it as a short-term, short-sighted scheme to undercut Fatah and Arafat, figuring they’d deal with the future ramifications when the future became the present. In recent years, they’ve also been doing all they can to promote Fatah at the expense of Hamas, encouraging internecine fighting in the hopes of provoking a civil war that would neuter both groups. Well, they sure got that wrong, didn’t they? Now Hamas is completely in control of Gaza, and after having been driven out of there, how likely is it that West Bank Palestinians will remain faithful to Fatah, a compromised and apparently toothless entity?
Bush administration officials said Thursday that they had been discussing the idea of largely acquiescing in the takeover of Gaza by the militant Islamic group Hamas and trying instead to help the Fatah party of the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, retain its stronghold in the West Bank.
The United States had quietly encouraged Mr. Abbas to dissolve the Palestinian government and dismiss Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, steps that Mr. Abbas announced Thursday, administration officials said. Before the announcement, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice telephoned Mr. Abbas to reiterate American support for the move, they said.
“President Abbas has exercised his lawful authority as the president of the Palestinian Authority, as the leader of the Palestinian people,” Ms. Rice said. “We fully support him and his decision to try and end this crisis of the Palestinian people and to give them an opportunity for — to return to peace and a better future.”
The state of emergency that Mr. Abbas announced has underscored the widening rift separating Gaza, where Hamas has largely routed Fatah’s forces, and the West Bank, where Mr. Abbas still has a strong base.
But diplomats and Middle East experts said a “West Bank first” strategy might now be the last option for Ms. Rice to salvage something from her plans to push for an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal.
The State Department insisted that the United States had no plans to abandon Palestinians living in Gaza.
Many diplomats and Middle East experts said they read Mr. Abbas’s decision as an attempt to cut his losses in Gaza and consolidate power in the West Bank. Israeli officials are promoting a proposal that the West Bank and Gaza be viewed as separate entities, and that Israel act more forcefully in Gaza to crack down on Hamas militants.
Senior Bush administration officials said no decision had been made. Some State Department officials argue that the administration could only support such a separation if Israel agreed to make political concessions to Mr. Abbas in the West Bank, with the goal of undermining Hamas in the eyes of Palestinians by improving life in the West Bank.
But it would be diplomatically perilous for the United States to be seen as turning its back on Gaza. Almost half of the Palestinian population lives on the teeming strip of land. A more desperate Gaza could become a breeding ground for Al Qaeda.
Compared to Condeleeza Rice, Dean Rusk was a combination of Metternich and Bismark.
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In memorium… a star of a cat:
SV’s Felix in his prime…
Marisacat 
I assume the Dem Israel supporters/AIPAC shills – Hillary, Edwards, Obama, Feingold, Schumer et al – have issued “appropriate” statements?
I also assume we’ll be seeing many more of these types of news reports now that Israel has basically declared open season on Gaza:
collateral damage
JJB wonders in the last thread about the ease in which scum-suckers like Romney can tell a woman to die for HIS principles. Well, it’s a no-brainer. Every fetus is pwecious, but every woman is interchangeable. Expendable. If she dies saving the precious fetus, her husband can just go get another fetus-generator for himself and the kids. What’s the problem ?
Join us next time when we explain why Jeebus loves school re-segregation and shooting at Mexicans. :p
Via Chris Floyd – a quote from Conflict Forums (which I found when googling for that ridiculous quote by Welch – who the hell is that guy??)
And, of course, there’s absolutely nothing about this on the FP or in the rec diaries at dkos. It’s too “controversial” and it might upset poor Hunter, obviously.
Well all the brouhaha about Reid is even worse than imagined.
It is evident that Reid was trying to cover this administrations ass… by poisoning the bloggy waters against Pace. This is exactly what I was referring to the other day as to why Powell never “ran to the Dems for cover”… to no surprise he would have just found MORE GOPer in Dem clothing…. like Pace just found out… no shelter from the neocon storm in either party.
Now it makes sense why some one “dropped the dime” on Reid’s backstabbing. I guess it hasn’t occurred to the Democrats that even the military doesn’t believe in the war.
I guess it has gone unnoticed to Reid this revolving door in Iraq…. Pace is what the 4th … 5th general to have been replaced when reality encroaches too much on the fantasy.
The only “wrong impression” the Dems gave is that they wanted to end the war… not that they couldn’t.
They don’t want to PERIOD… as proof as the blogger for hire Kos touting a verifiable neocon Kerrey… not only do the Dem NOT want to end the war … but this last little “tell” is a sure fire signal that the DEMS WANT TO ATTACK IRAN.
Interesting new diary at dk – wonder if it’ll generate any controversy – gee, ya THINK?
Welch is one of those guys to watch. he was in the North of Lebanon a week before the explosion of violence at the Palestinian refugee camp there…
SO clear what is happening.
WIDE and ever wider war. Now the word is that with the rise of an Islamist regime in GAZA that soon will come Al Qaeda.
Well in a tiny space you have a Zionist regime. So, now a rise of islam. ONe way or the other…
Why be surprised.
ANY insurgent, break away, nationalist battle will be “terrorists”.. unless it suits us, like all the versions of the “orange revolution”.
I have a TOO TOO cute pic of Hillary, Lieberman and Mccain all wearing orange neck scarvs in support.
#6. Obviously, eugene just needs to “buck up”. Didn’t he get the memo? “Ideology” is for lusers. As for Bowers, he’s a day late and a dollar short – or maybe he just needs a date.
Oh, and don’t miss the list of his greatest hits! Posts for the ages, no doubt.
From eugene’s diary… (see link at wozzle, #6)
The liberal blogosphere needs to change, dramatically, its aims and orientation.
Honeeee.
It’s not liberal. Repeat after me….
It’s not liberal.
It is REACTIONARY.
#8–Love this bit of mythical history:
“By the summer of 2004 the site’s tone had shifted. The Kerry campaign and Fahrenheit 9/11 had made it acceptable to publicly voice dissent again, and as a result thousands flocked to dKos.”
Kerry couldn’t even voice dissent.
Cheesecake for the birthday VAGS. (I’m not singing the damn song though.)
liberalcatnip,
Keep in mind, Chris Floyd was banned at Little Orange Footballs, over some ridiculous charge that he and one of his associates were using their UIDs for sockpuppet purposes. Floyd and the other person (can’t remember the name) accidentally posted identical diaries, IIRC, both were in the habit of cross-posting material from Empire Burlesque at dKos, and as it happened they put up the same piece a few hours apart. The mistake was logically explained, but they banned the both of them anyway. Floyd had already ruffled the feathers of a few simpleminded Kossack biggies, so it was really just an excuse rather than a cause.
A Sunni mosque has been destroyed in Basra:
Now, as I recall, when the golden dome of the Samarra shrine was destroyed last year, that “immediate aftermath” now said to be so horrible was considered to be small potatoes, and a huge collective sigh of relief was heard throughout the MSM. I guess they figured the Shiite retaliation would consist of armed mobs of hundreds of thousands of people descending on Sunni neighborhoods, pillaging, killing, etc. rather than the more calibrated and cold-blooded militia actions that have followed. It took several weeks (at least) for it to become obvious that the civil conflict had reached a new and deadlier stage. I guess it’s asking too much for them to recognize the obvious, i.e., that matters are completely out of control over there and the violence is only going to escalate.
#10. Not to mention the fact that SYFPH squashed any dissent about Kerry.
why… he sounds like Kid O.
Words are just so fucking cheap:
A cheap blurberation. “we must speak with the poor”. what presumption…
Hon, what if they don’t want to speak to YOU?
Maybe Bowers is going on an evangelizing road trip to start his cherished revolution. Che Bowers?
MCat,
Thanks for the FP promotion. Now if only I had the power to ban people!
D. Throat, interesting perspective on this whole mess. So it’s possible that Reid was using the blahhgers to criticize Pace? Giving cover to Bush is certainly what they’ve been doing all along. I think it’s obvious now that they do not intend to end this war and all bills they submitted were game-playing.
But the blahhgers missed the most important statement he made re Pace, so someone goes to Politico to make sure it gets out? Could be …
Dk is there for them to use, that’s for sure …. I don’t get why they think that using DK will benefit them in anyway since DK has no influence anymore over what people think.
It really is funny to see the blahgers try to help Reid out of what they thought was a jam, and he goes ahead and undermines them completely.
That’s what happens when you become a dupe of politicians which is why the Internet was never supposed to fall into that trap! Dk, a complete and utter mess! Really, they should just fold it up, or admit they are just the propaganda ‘catapult’ for the Dems same as Freerepublic is for the Repubs.
Daily Kos/Freerepublic/Redstate – catapulting the propaganda
lol…I’ve never read this blog before which I found when I was looking for Bowers’ little revolution post. Hilarious.
MCat, no. 14
That stuff you quote sounds so stilted it could be a Babelfish translation.
It doesn’t seem to occur to these idiots that in order to meet people, you have to turn off the computer, leave your house and, you know, meet people. And once you do that, it helps if you listen to what they have to say and not tell them to shut up and follow orders.
re#13 — “take our message to anyone who will listen” — what an ass!
How’s about you shutting the fuck up for once, Mr. Bowers, and listening to something other than your own vainglorious blather?!?!
That the one main thing I destest about the internet, you can’t fucking smack anybody.
social justice my ass.
rofl. Enlarge the screenshot. Priceless.
Shorter Bowelie Boy – “Become a political consultant, it shore beats workin'”. I like it.
Armando, EMSOCK, Bowers, Stoller and Eugene…Controlled Dissent and guided turn to the “left”
Same old story and same MO…. this is exactly what Simon Rosenberg did when he harnessed Armstrong and Kos and steered the untamed blogosphere to the extreme right… all in the name of “progressivism”…. now the next faux generation of faux progressive bloggers…. and so on and so on and so on.
Let’s not forget that Bowers used to be Lieberman’s number one unabashed cheerleader. They beaten this horse to death … now the Boyz are on to greener pastures where they can start their con all over again.
Frankly, I am smelling a sell off…. talk about killing the hen that laid the golden eggs…. Kos not only killed his “porgressive” blog… then he plucked it and boiled it till there was nothing left. DK is now nothing but a shell propping up pathetic Dems like Reid and touting for neocons and Republicans like Arnold….TIME TO SELL.
Hiliary and Obama did not come running begging Kos to buy ads… if he wants to salvage anything he has to sell before the elections while the site still has earnings potential… afterwards if it is still in Kos’s hands it will sink like a rock… people have seen thru the facade to the tiny little man behind the curtain playing the 80,000 dollar piano.
Armando, EMSOCK… now Bowers and Stoller are just jumping ship before the handover… as I can see they all were given parachutes. They are all good at what they do “conning people” therefore they will always be in demand… which is why Trippi plucked Armstrong during his stock conning days… to become a political conman… no difference.
Armando, Bowers and Stoller have years more of conning ahead of them…
It doesn’t seem to occur to these idiots that in order to meet people, you have to turn off the computer, leave your house and, you know, meet people.
Pssst…that does not apply to Elise. Riots would ensue. Fab schoolhouse rulers would be flying everywhere as she tried to defend herself against the unruly mobs and she would be dragged off screaming “Read the FAQs! Read the FAQs!”
119 JJB
right, so stilted. They long ago became rote propagandists.
The hilarious thing is that eugene – who the Boyz long ago fingered as one to speak for the wimmens (like Kid O and a few others) – did an anti rural post at LSF long ago. It was breathlessly reactionary and dismissive of rural enclaves just outside … hmmm Seattle iirc. Kings Co, again iirc.
Will see if I can find it. I instantly contacted em dash (“editor” at LSF then) and suggested that a excellent long reply comment from a Kings Co resident be expanded and put on the FP. His post was so very unpleasant.
And you know, just ignant.
And god knows I am not rural.
Bunches of feminists there. Maybe the site will morph into the porn business Markos started in the first place.
Oh yeah, it already has.
sabrina said in the last thread
yeah. that reminds me of something i read recently during the imus thing by Tim Noah speaking about the politican’s desire for access to radio or tv time. Noah used a wonderful washington anecdote on the politicians’ love of a free meal to riff into their desire for video/audio time in the media.
the anecdote is credited to perle mesta. and perle’s famous advice about how to draw Washington’s power set to a soiree was:
“Hang a lamb chop in the window.”
i think there’s a great deal of chop hanging going on between GOP golden boy harry reid and the netroots FPers. reid has his little chops of “politician proximity” dangling and the netroots has little spinability and an audience chops. i sit here and laugh and can’t help but think of perle.
here’s a little bio on her.
reid and his phonemates arent in perle’s class. pork chops is all “they got”.
This is the HuffPo bio for one of the new partners with Bowers, Mike Lux.
I hate to be cynical, but to be otherwise is just too time consuming:
Who will they be in the bag for? And how soon will it show?
I found eugene’s Opus Mopus on rural “whining”:
Don’t miss badger at # 7 and # 11 – or Izzy at # 10 comments (they also have comments further on at 21 and 24, too)
Who will they be in the bag for? And how soon will it show?
My guess is Hillary. And frankly I don’t think this is about “ideology”. I think Bowers just found a way to make more money without having to break down and get a real job.
Bunches of feminists there. Maybe the site will morph into the porn business Markos started in the first place.
I dare someone to post a penis pic over there just to see what happens.
“Locked in an increasingly obsolete 1960s paradigm…”
right , because the civil rights marches sit ins and protests did nothing. if only those dirty hippies had a computer so they could silently blog their complaints.
i realized that kos was a fraud the day he posted his diary blowing off the protests in washington , smugly dismissing people who died on their feet in protest to favor his reality based community of action heroes who stayed inside all day and checked email. and hunted twolls who disrupt the otherwise lucid stream of thought at dk…
hey, VAGs!!
Send all good energies (no prayers, please) to the Red All-Star Team (coach pitch 7-8 year olds) of District 11 — Game 1 of the Championship Series **TONIGHT**!!
🙂
I’m off…to pick up kidlets and head waaaay south before the Friday afternoon traffic gets really horrific ….
moiv, Kevin — hope ya’ll had the best birthday days EVER (well, at least until next year) ….
GO RED!
30- catnip–should I email you my testicle bouquet piccture?
How to dodge Hillary’s warmongering, by Elise.
I think you’re having too much damn fun, Brinn. Stop that!
(GO RED!)
the Boyz feel so diminished by “the 60s”. All this inchoate yearning for “a movement”.
If America has saints (and iirc JPII or some minion said America was not capable of producing saints) they are there, in the Civil Rights era.
All the deaths. Horrific brutal deaths, decades of deaths, centuries of murder and assassination and lynching.
catnip–should I email you my testicle bouquet piccture?
Ha! With the caption: Where the Dems left their balls.
I emailed it. I specifically asked her if I could use it when I was still at dk. My plan was to insert it whenever someone posted “Dems need balls”, etc. diaries or comments. But now I go to sites where people don’t talk like that. Well, I used it at BMT twice.
the core reason folks like kos and the boyz hate the 60’s is because they hate the concept they can’t profit off the movement. simple.
None of the boyz were even alive during the 60s! They’re just clueless. You can only learn so much from a history book.
I like Philip Slater’s take on this. (And yes, he was alive then.)
It’s a double-edged sword, but you don’t simply abandon the war against the fundamentalists by becoming a compromising pushover. You fight back – hard. That’s what the boyz don’t seem to get. It’s a process.
Oh MCat, thank you for the Felix tribute. He was indeed a hunk. And always in the kitchen, where the eatin’ action was.
BTW, that little cookbook he’s sitting on, Bistro Cooking, is pretty good. It includes excellent recipes for lemon tart and that yummy cold lentil salad with red-wine vinegar dressing.
Felix didn’t eat those things, but he did love butter and cheese.
JJB, getting another cat is a good suggestion but I can’t do that because our other cat, Martin, a fluffy grey guy, has been waiting years to take Felix’s place as Head Cat. I’m sure he would take it amiss if we introduced another cat to the household.
I posted a link last night to Dr Harrison’s latest diary…ABORTION RELIGION AND GOD but I am just gettting to it myself… and in the thread there is:
argh.
#39 – cad, I think the Boyz hate the ’60s because they are all conservative Republicans at heart. Check out this guy Brent Rasmussen (alias DarkSyde). Does he not look like a conservative? And here is his descriptor on his DKos homepage:
He always gave me the creepycrawlies – something about his tone and his attitude was unsavory – but I only found out recently that he was a self-confessed “former” conservative.
aren’t the boyz all former (sic) conservatives? that’s why they disdain women’s rights and endorse corporate “branding” — it also explains their man-love for tuff guys.
and note the robert heinlein banner on rasmussen’s site – heinlein was a famous imperialist cold war sci-fi writer. explains much.
Brinn! Go Red!! Lol! Good luck tonight!
SV, Felix is a beautiful cat – that’s a great picture.
cad – yes, I noticed the Heinlein too. I enjoyed Heinlein’s books but he was none too sound on feminism, for example.
well I think Darksyde is rather the demographic wee kos aims for…. and as I REALLY don’t go to Kos much at all, I had no idea that the likes of Rimjob’s People magazine diary (with a thread of hanging tongues and hanging whatever else) was a regular feature.
LOL Pretty clear what the site is all about.
Frat frat frat frat… junior NASCAR.
Bowers says that Jerome Armstrong provided him with a living. Where did he get the money to do that? Wasn’t his excuse for becoming an internet conman that he had so many debts and needed the money?
As for this ‘revolution’! Well, they finally realized the ‘game’ is over. They simply cannot reign in the anger anymore. The final straw for those who reluctantly went along for the past few years, was the Iraq War games played by Democrats.
That that diary on the ‘rulzzzz’ was the most important topic on DK last night while the world is on fire (thanks for your excellent OP, Marisacat) , rec’d by only by the usual mob, demonstrated and was commented on by many, how out of touch these operators are with the pulse of the country. They had a good run, at least Marcos got something out of it, for anyone whose goal it was to make him rich.
But anyone who would follow any individual who was even remotely connected to these people, will just end up three years from, wondering again, ‘what happened’.
The sad thing is that they hindered those who were not in it for their own personal gain, or careers, from scaring the shit out of these politicians. Someone put money behind them, imo, to stop the growing influence of the Internet.
I don’t and will never trust anyone who was a part of that. The country is worse off now than it ever was in my memory. The ME is out of control, and I don’t know if anything can be done about it.
The BBBS and their troll patrols facilitated all of it. Why people did not see that a strategy of telling politicians ‘we don’t like what you’re doing and we’ll you during the primaries, but we’ll be on board once the general election rolls around’, was anything other sheer stupidy, I’ll never understand.
I love the appearance in Eugene’s diary of the ‘fascist bimbo’ (thanks catnip I think) attempting to appear intelligent!
As for Bowers and Stoller, I agree that it’s going to be interesting to see who’s funding them this time. To think they can turn around now and ‘move left’ is laughable. These are not the people who will accomplish anything. They have not only not accomplished anything, they have contributed to where we are today.
Felix didn’t eat those things, but he did love butter and cheese.
I enjoy Patricia Wells too… well reading her books and articles since I only sort of cook… 😉
BTW, Baby loves a couple of standard issue cat canned food that come with cheese…
Nine Lives makes a flaked tuna (red) with sort of pellets of orangish cheese (I am not tasting it to determine if cheddar or American process… LOL) but she loves it. Also Friskies makes a turkey with cheese … I buy those 20, 30 at time when on sale at 30 cents a can.
Both are big favorites.
who amongst us men are too sound on feminism? I likes my wimenz tuh gets their handz durty. uh grrrrl who don’t wears no makeup. all fur wimenz sufferej and eekwull payz an all. but I iz still just a man. all weighz undur suspishuhn.
My team won the chili cook-off by the way. got a $25 gift certificate. didn’t win the Food factor contest because it was a timed thing. never could get everything down first, but I still got it down and held it 😉
Go Brinn! Good luck!
Kevin
yearly kos should be an interesting trainwreck this year.
and certain to be the last.
hahahahha… as long as they all punch and slash at each other, go for it (from Breaking Blue at MyDD)
I first saw this mentioned at Jeralyn’s TL last night… she all het up, (in the bag for Hillary is my take) and dear girl, she still believes that “blind trusts” are, like,, you know blind.
Some people believe in the book, whatever it is or says.
LOL
Action Alert! Action Alert! Calling all Diary Police! If you are a TU get your rear end over to DK immediately!
OMG!! A major RULE has been broken at DK in a diary that is currently on the Rec. list!! Who does not remember the belabored meanderings of Hunter et all about CALLING OUT ANOTHER KOSSACK in a diary title?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/15/162213/374
But ironically, and hilariously, the woman who wrote the distressed diary on the ‘rulzzzzz’ is IN the diary and for some reason, has failed to demand that the diarist ‘Delete that Title it is against the rulzzz’ Why are she and the FPer who are both in the diary, not waving a copy of the FAQS? Lol! Enquiring minds want to know! Are they falling apart or could it be that THIS diary is one that they like?
We just report, you all must decide! Lol!
Hypocrites as always! Another perfect example of why they have no credibility!!
Lol, Cad …. yes, Yrly kos should be very interesting. I’m sure they will protect the visiting servants of the people from the people as much as they can.
Damage control everywhere on dk – kos is demanding that the leadership take action on, guess what? Lol! Gay Rights! See, he IS a progressive! Stop saying you will not contribute another dime to the party until they step up to the plate and do their jobs! Forget the war, let’s focus on those ‘single issue’ voters! Oops, but I thought he hated single issue voters! So hard to keep up with the rulz!
Oh, and I still want to know what it is about Ron Paul that he so admires, because his diary kops are working hard to auto-ban all Ron Paul supporters on his very own site!
well, I suppose I should be ashamed, but I agreed w/ Eugene on his contempt for the rural voters … I’m from those people, and I’ve spent my life running away from that parochial mindset. It sickens me … it still does, and lambs so eager to be slaughtered are hard to work up much sympathy.
Via Reuters:
I just put up my bit on Gaza. This quote bothered me immensely:
Off for a nap now.
Congrats on winning the chili cook-off, Kevin. And, because I’m too lazy to scroll back, thanks to whoever put up that info about Chris Floyd’s banning. I thought he’d been turfed for being too radical. Their rules are going to come back to haunt them big time in the end.
well of course DKos is finished as a “useful” place. Has been for at least a year.
It’s the public scalpings that are finally getting to me, though, I think.
i bet obama and hillary bow out of yk. unless they received their check already…
Yes but madman…
he now waxes eloquent on rurals. Or whatever he calls them.
There are lots of people who just resolutely hate where I am (San Francisco) and groups I surely do not much care for… until it splits to city-states… we are stuck.
Somewhat together.
oh PS I meant to mention, part of the issue, that eugene never addressed in the push back in the LSF diary:
TWO people living in rural Washington state, said that ONLY Republicans listened to them. Tho they both resolutely voted for the Democrat(s).
SOMEBODY has got to hear that.
Oh, I do my best to be consistent at least!
I agree that some lefties SHOULD talk to them, it just shouldn’t be ME. Or any snotty rationalist atheist loner LIKE me. Hell, I’m not fit to interact w/ most people in a political context … most people drive me nuts and fill me w/ frustration.
Before I got my new position, one of the guys I worked w/ (studying to be a minister for some black church denomination … never paid any attention to which one), used to like to wind me up. Pretty conservative guy. I’d get mad and start beginning every sentence after a few minutes with: “you need to google …”
My supervisor used to say that he wanted to get me on the radio, so I could be a lefty shouter to offset the huge number of wingers on the radio here. He said my trademark could be shouting “NEXT” after I tell a caller what an idiot they were.
Oh, and as an aside, the guy who took over Holy Joe’s little third party has demanded Lieberman’s resignation as the party chairman. Speaking of CT, if you want to see some fucking ignorant, stupid voters, go to rural CT and the CT suburbs. I couldn’t move away from that place fast enough.
When America’s cities are Blade-Runneresque/William Gibson, and the rest of the country has gone Mad Max, it’s guys like this fuckin’ tool who helped get it there faster:
They are such fucking bastards they don’t even have the stones to do PATRONAGE with any fucking style.
Well the Bushes and the Clintons helped. As did millions of voters.
More is the pity.
oops, meant to type “nightmares” after “gibson” …
oh, my kingdom for a “preview” button!
The TSA/Homeland Security, protecting frightened children from scary clowns … and a follow up to the deadly sippy cup.
overly frightened parents destroy childrens’ souls.
“I like this violence” – what an absolutely absurd statement.
Happy B-day moiv & kev. Hope yer havin’ fun.
MitM – yeah CT is not really a blue state, between the rural vote & the rich white suburban vote, I’m pretty amazed they sometimes elect dems.
MCat – I forget how I came across Mad Cow Productions, but it was sometime in late 2001. They did a bunch of fantastic background research into the FL flight school that Atta and others attended & came to the conclusion, for good reason, that it was a CIA drug-smuggling front. Interestingly enough the owner of that school got awarded a huge DOD contract in 2002 when there were other, much more qualified firms, bidding for the same contract. Things that make you go ‘hmmm’…
we’re not citizens… barely voters… we’re godamned fucking patsies.
A very painful word when one remembers Oswald.
TWO people living in rural Washington state, said that ONLY Republicans listened to them.
Considering the truly disgusting shape of the WA state Democratic party I would say that that tendency isn’t confined to rural Dems. The blogs and particularly DK are innundated with WA state operatives (Eugene, RonK and MCJOan come to mind) Nothing those assholes have ever written indicate they actually converse with voters here, much less listen to them.
Breaking up families, the law-and-order way … and this family is lucky. No guns and concentration camps, but it’s heartbreaking to watch.
the phrase hoist by your own petard comes to mind.
Happy b-day to Kevin & moiv from Miss Devore who cannot seem to get her party blowout horn functioning today.
Lind on the latest ramp-up of ‘Merikkkan bombing in Iraq:
Oh Dems scheduled a big PR flash… NBC Evening News, a big spot on Jim Webb and Jimmy Webb. Patriotic slobber. They walked thru Arlington, even.
mention that Webb ran on a ticket AGAINST the war. As we fight on. And the proto-typical shot of WEbb holding his son’s combat boots aloft.
We are so fucked.
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well and then today an F-16 is brought down. Last I read nobody is saying nothin’.
an F-16 was brought down?!?! I haven’t seen that. Webb was lovingly interviewed on NPR this morning, and no, I won’t link to it. I threw up in my mouth a little listening to it as I walked to work. More paeons to militarism and being willing to kill, no matter how unjust the cause. Fucker.
On another topic (variation on a theme):
Complaint: Schlozman Aimed to Replace Lawyers with “Good Americans”
Why not just order good Germans.
Why wait, get it over with.
MItm-thanks for the link to the lind article–I came across it somewhere today, but forgot where before I had time to read it.
I notice the CNN site is talking about the internally displaced Iraqis living in refugee camps. (most of the wealthier and educated have been able to flee) so the GWOT is now creating “Palestine II” And if they have their way I guess there will be more sequels than Rocky.
I’m at the point in the Felton book where he is recounting situations where, for essentially PC reasons, the Central Command for the US army, put security contractors in positions where they had to function as an army. Cuz CC refused to give them support when under siege. Asked them to tone down their rhetoric, etc.
It’s really interesting to watch the chestbeating over Mike Nifong’s behavior in the Duke “rape case”.
Our entire political establishment is littered w/ former prosecutors who tried minorities and the poor in the press, with DA’s who frog-marched minor mob figures or conmen before cameras (ie Rudy Guiliani). We have a system BUILT on fucking over people who can’t defend themselves. It’s part of the job. IT’S EXPECTED AND APPLAUDED. Perverts who respond to reporters pretending to be 16, inner-city dropouts slinging dope … but what Nifong did is BEYOND THE FUCKING PALE. What makes that case special is that the victims were rich white boys.
Not that I want innocent men, even spoiled rich white kids who play a game they stole from people their ancestors slaughtered, to go to jail, but zealous prosecutors and shitty police work destroy people’s (mostly poor and brown people’s) lives ALL THE FUCKING TIME in this country. Is anybody going after the bastards who destroyed Larry Peterson’s life, or any of the countless others?
The military is saying the F-16 downing was an ‘accident’. Mitm, that piece on the Air Force bombing in Iraq is excellent. They’re doing the same thing in Afghanistan, enraging the population as more and more civilians are killed.
Kierdubois, that was what did it for me – mostly perfectly decent people, expressing frustration at what is happening to their country. It didn’t just start, it’s been going on at DK with the help of the thread thugs, and the ‘rulezzzz’ enforcers, some of whom were rewarded, with being allowed to post on the FP. Many will sell their souls for that miserable privilege. In your diary on Hell that would have been an interesting inclusion. ‘What does it profit a man to sell his soul etc. ….’
Thousands of people have been banned from dk, which contributes to the backlash they are getting now. They never saw posters as people, many times far more intelligent than the little band of thugs that roams the threads and the hidden comments over there. People who wil not be silenced, and certainly not by people like them.
I laughed when I read Durbin’s diary the other day, talking about blogs giving people a right to be heard. I meant to email his office to ask him was he joking, posting something like that on DK of all places! But there’s so much to be furious about, I forgot about it until now.
If you were writing a screenplay about Nazis ruling America after winning WW2 (as in Len Deighton’s SSGB) and you were trying to find a name for the earnest young True Believer Nazi, could you do any better than “Bradley J. Schlozman”?
Maybe Bradley J Schlozman IV
Well, I messed up that post, sorry about that …
Mitm, Griffin cries like a baby now because they were caught. Gonzales is still there, and Bush says he’ll stay as long as he wants him to.
But what really bothers me about these revelations is that we knew about all this at least as far back as 2004. Greg Palast, for one, wrote about the caging of voters, eg, before the Nov Election that year. Of course he was thrashed recently on DK! One of the few people who actually had the guts to tell the truth when it was NOT safe to do so.
I noticed an Opol diary with nearly 100 recs slipping off the diary list. At the same time, another diary made it to the rec list with 15 Recs! It many have more now, but it had 9 comments and 15 recs when it landed there! They would not manipulate the diary list, I’m sure!
completely off topic (though I need a break from the relentless darkness), but I love this song.
Cool tune MitM.
btw – we’re having some ‘bass player’ issues currently & are shopping for replacements – this guy has expressed some interest. What do you think?
The aerial bombings are fueling a lot of anger in Afghanistan as well. Karzai tries to fight back, whining about all of the dead civilians, and NATO can’t do anything about it because they’re being done by the US military. Same shit. Different country. Same results. More rebels created. But they keep right on doing it.
What’s Kyl scared of ?
That’s the shortest article I’ve ever read in the NYT.
can decide whether to issue the subpoenas or use them as leverage in negotiations with the Bush administration over access to the documents.
well I have full faith and confidence in Patrick J Leahy.
Most tight lipped smile possible.
The NYT has the backstory on the Obama campaign pushing the Clinton memos. So much for Obama’s halo.
you know, both statements I made before are absolutely true. Every woman I’ve ever dated has been a tomboy. they’re lower maintenance and you don’t wait around as long while they try to find the absolute perfect pair of shoes. I’m also always under this silent cloud of suspicion because I have glands that secrete testosterone. can’t even joke about it without getting the cold shoulder. just wish you would all relax just a teensey bit. it’s not like I’ve ever had any involvement with the Tribal Police, or something. it’s easy to google too…
aside from that, the war is terrible and life sucks
Kevin
He fits the frippesque direction you like lucid. I like the control he seems to have over “bleed” when he’s slapping the strings.
No more dancing bears in Bulgaria.
“Dancing”? More like “tortured”. Poor bears. So sad.
That’s pure Daley machine. Why is anybody surprised?
It appears that they have Nancy Drew some sort of Macauley Caulkin critter in the new movie which I will never see, not just because I don’t see current movies, but the most important part of these “canonical” american books or cartoons, is that the reader is allowed to interpret. I thought it sucked when they did Peanuts specials on TV–though never a great fan of Peanuts, I preferred my imagination of their voices.
When I saw the pic accompanying the nytimes review of the movie….Nancy with 2 guys–knew it was lost. Guys were marginal in Nancy Drew mysteries. That was the fucking pleasure. A young woman gets herself embroiled in relative danger, and is not rescued by men. (as a plus, her mother is dead, so she is free of mother-nagging, and Hannah does the cooking and cleaning, and Daddy Carson Drew gives her a fucking car!)
can’t even joke about it without getting the cold shoulder. just wish you would all relax just a teensey bit.
What’s that about? Did I miss something?
yes..what did i miss… (catnip at 96)
On Obama…
exactly. Daley machine is written all over him and esp all over the wife.
Fisk:
Kev – women have glands that secrete testosterone as well… and men have glands that seccrete estrogen.
We’re not all that different… except for men not having to deal with eons of slavery, inequality, debasement, physical abuse… and lack of legal control over their own bodies.
[Though to be fair there were eons of that which men were subject to as well… just not so much lately among the ‘white’ ones.]
(twice today my eyeglasses have dropped on the floor–omen of blindness?)
as a native chicagoan…I think the nature of the daley machine has changed a bit, over the years. I’m not intimately informed, but is it something different than all the other political dynasties at play these days?
oh, and I really fucked up by not mentioning Bess or George in my Nancy Drew comments.
but I’m like that these days.
we’re different in what is expected of us, and our own anticipation of it.
Sabrina, you’re not going to like this, but both you and Elise misspelled my first name the very same way. 😉
men and women, that is.
socialization… the root of all negative socio-gender dynamics.
Thanks to the Sunlight Foundation, visualize earmarks.
I’m different! When I was stressed out in my early teens I could feel my pituitary gland snapping its fingers–I mean really, at the exact location where the pituitary was on the physiomap-there was this snapping sensation going on.
(ok, it is a ruse to explain my life-but I did feel it.)
well if you google the wif’s background… she spent iirc 10 years in the daley office (often glossed over or left out of bios) after leaving (quite early on) her associate spot (think I have that right, that she was still an associate, not too many years in) at a premier law firm (Sidley Austin). From the Daley office, she went straight to an essentially PR job at UC (associate dean) then to VP at UC Hospitals.
LOL And recently had to resign from a board spot (one of 6 boards she is on) at a subsidiary for Wal Mart. It just did not jive with the Obama rhetoric…
It’s fine, that is the way it works, but I don’t want to miss the point.
(twice today my eyeglasses have dropped on the floor–omen of blindness?)
Or just a sign to get new glasses? 😉
I grew up reading Nancy Drew too. My sister collected the books and I now have one or two 1st editions. Who knew I was subtly being coopted by the feminist movement?? lol
108-I had so many 1st editions, and by the time I was 8, I was caught up to the newest ones. I loved the triad of nancy george bess. George being the butch player, Bess being the hyperfemme, nancy between the two. It covered all we experienced in our lives as young girls. We loved all their manifestations of female because we knew it in ourselves and saw it all in the females of our lives. Even if we were 8.
Bowers and Stoller are going to K Street as coffee boys for a Clinton White House refugee. Who_ ‘da thunkit?
They are an inspiration…..
to Narcissistic Personality Disordered people everywhere.
Eugene’s diary entitled,
Round Stone Objects Useful When Attached to Sleds!
was a real gas, man.
Hey, we need is a grassroots movement given Democratic political failures! Everybody yell!
It’s like tossing plastic bananas into the orangutan cages.
It’s so, so, so 2002.
Miss D: yes, Bess, the chubby girl, and George, who as I recall from the illustrations was angular and boylike, much like k.d. lang. The two kinds of women who are least desirable in our society. And Ned Nickerson struck me as a wimp. Of course I read the original Nancy Drews (Ned had a roadster and a raccoon coat and probably listened to Rudy Vallee) and not the revamped “modern” versions. They may have dumped Bess and George completely.
I further note that Velma in Scooby-Doo, who was plump and nerdy in the original cartoons, chunky orange sweater and all, was slimmed down in the more recent cartoons and was even seen in a bikini, with a toned waistline similar to Daphne’s. The clear message is: it’s OK if you’re the smartest one in the bunch, but you have to be physically attractive and show off your body.
Also, the live-action film versions of Scooby-Doo (like the world really needed those) turned the whole premise of the series on its head by blithely incorporating supernatural aspects which Velma was unable to debunk. Velma is no longer the Voice of Science and Reason Against Superstition.
I decry the bimbonification of Velma!
When I grew up, my brother had a bookshelf full of Hardy Boys books & my sister had a bookshelf full of Bobbsey Twins… I read the bookshelf full of Bobbsey Twins, but that also might be because in my early years [6-9], I didn’t take an interest in reading & my sister was tasked with that chore by my parents [she was 6 years older]. Probably why the first sci-fi I started to read was Madaline L’Engle as well.
Sabrina, you’re not going to like this, but both you and Elise misspelled my first name the very same way.
Lol, Keirdubois, you are a virtual mind-reader. The last thing I want, is to have anything at all in common with an authoritarian bully, male or female. I can’t think of a greater incentive to ensure I never make that mistake again. My only excuse is not enough sleep these past few weeks? 🙂
Lol, Miss D – you little pretender you …
I heard something on the radio about Obama having made some deal regarding his house with a realtor that he is getting criticism for. I didn’t hear the details so don’t know what the story is. Why do they start these presidential races two years before the election? I’m already sick of all of them … especially since all of them won’t take bombing Iran off the table!
A prime example of where blind partisanship gets you:
Also I recall Nancy Drew being dragged into the whole Parker Stevenson/Shaun Cassidy Hardy Boys scene, as a token girl. Ugh. ’70s stuff is flooding back into my mind all of a sudden.
Sorry, my brain is set on “silly chatter” today, and jumping all over the place. I’m out to have fun. Tonight I made boeuf bourguignon (sp?) from Julia Child’s recipe. It’s quietly simmering away in the oven. Tomorrow I’ll put in the mushrooms and small white onions.
Eating is healing, but cooking is healing too, in the right spirit.
BTW, catnip, I hope you’re feeling better!
New Thread:
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Brainwashed:
I must have read the old Nancy Drew series… I recall the roadster and the beaver coat… on someone.
Blast from the past. Hardy Boys. Still the message of danger lurking around every corner but that could reasonably be solved with a notebook, maybe a compass, along with Chet Morton the jovial pie eating friend.
The Hard-On Boys in retrospect. No one got laid, jerked off, no nothin.
Their Perils were strictly limited then around their hometown of Cracker Port. No brutal cops with dogs and water cannnons. Back when life was simpler as we awaited mutually assured destruction. No need to wait for the next book anymore, nor much longer it seems for mutually assured destruction.
FYYW! (fuck you young whippersnappers) Scooby-do is a dog, who I probably have confused with Marmaluke? I don’t get that Charlie Chocolate thang either, though people I love refer to it.
I’m just a crone, trying to find a library dvd of Desperation Boulevard, starring Judy Tenuta, the original Love Goddess.
svix–when you add the tiny potatoes, do they scream?
Grrr. how have I ever downplayed the plight of women in any of my comments? watched my mom struggle to near madness after her second divorce and actually learned to respect her. and every woman who’s ever had to do the same thing. I never even said it was unfair that I was dumped! that I felt terrible? yes. who did I blame? myself. why does everyone keep talking to me like the family dog? I know that I have a superiority/inferiority/fragility complex bouncing around in my pretty little head. but I’ve never said that women should be placed in a subservient position
please forgive the paranoia, it’s the old age talking
Kevin *sigh* at least I got a gift certificate
118, 119.
The roadster, yes. but the frocks, too.
The gypsy camp story. I was always intrigued by the geography. to me, nancy lived in some east coast suburb, but where did she find the gypsies (Rose! The cursed doll!) and those Asian characters who had that ceramic thing going?
In the sexually segregated YAA fiction, my brother was compelled to read the Hardy Boys–I did, too, because no one was going to read more than I did, in my domicile. I convinced my brother to read “The Secret in the Old Attic” and he confessed Nancy Drew was better than the Hardy Boys.
Kevin,
I totally don’t know where there is coming from:
why does everyone keep talking to me like the family dog?
Who here is doing that?
Kevin! Nobody here is talking to you that way, at least that I’ve seen. I think it’s safe to assume that we are among friends here. I, for one, have no animosity whatsoever towards you.
I’ll give you my chili recipe if you give me yours 😀
Kevin…
don’t think anyone here indicated what you refer to.
If there were comments let me know – think you made two comments today, but I don’t see any replies to you. You can email me if you like.
marisacat AOL com
Kevin, we loved our family dog! (A Dalmatian named Rusty.)
Nancy Drew was my favorite! Does anybody remember geek-before-his-time Encyclopaedia Brown.
Kevin-relax. You are hallucinating troll-ratings on a site that doesn’t have them. And don’t give me that “old age” stuff. As a former sex kitten turned hermit, “you can’t always get what you want” is archival news.
Being alive and still being able to stand up is not a bad thing. So you don’t get people buying you a bagel toaster because you are getting married. Bagel toasters and silverware are cheap compared to marriages gone bad.
The steady sex thing is enviable, but might not be what it’s cracked up to be.
Kev – not making any comment on you. Please don’t interpret in that way. I just got started from the testosterone thin and elaborated from there. Honestly, it wasn’t a comment about you or your history [of which I know little].
Being alive and still being able to stand up is not a bad thing. So you don’t get people buying you a bagel toaster because you are getting married. Bagel toasters and silverware are cheap compared to marriages gone bad. — Miss Devore
lotta truth packed in there…
also the “sex kitten turned hermit”… 8)
btw, I excrete just about no testosterone. LOL I attribute serveral “oddnesses” to that…
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[since it came up]
Lol, Catnip, that is vintage dk bimboism. They don’t do nuance. Democratic racist, okay. Republican racist, not okay.
Try explaining to them that Ron Paul is not a racist. He believes in ignoring race altogether. They are spreading a nasty charge of racism, just as they did about Cynthia McKinney, based on a murky story from years ago, which he has addressed.
While I disagree with him that you can ignore race at this point in time, he is suggesting an ideal that we are nowhere close to yet. It is more a hope for the future when we no longer need to see someone only in terms of their ethnicity, but as individuals. But the right wants Paul out of the debates, and they are spreading this smear, ‘swift-boating’ him and as they did with McKinney, DK is helping them out.
They are a very nasty bunch of people, black and white thinkers. Think of how they have smeared people from this blog, eg. The truth is not important, once they target someone, anything goes! Then they whine when people fight back and point out their idiocy!
Cynthia McKinney was attacked on that blog with the same mindless, unfounded charges. They could not argue against her voting record, so they accused of her anti-semitism, this despite her many Jewish friends debunking the charge.
This is why I sometimes think they are rightwingers posing as progressives. These attacks on both Paul and McKinney are identical to the rightwing attacks on both of them.
earth to meg, yes, I loved the Encylopedia Brown books. Thanks for the reminder – a blast from the past!
As for other girl-centered books – Harriet the Spy is a great book – a 20th century Huckleberry Finn. But most of the characters are girls, except for Sport, who is kind of a wimp. So nobody but the girl readers noticed how good it was.
as somebody who voted for paul in 88, i think he’s a smart man but he does associate with some extremely right loons. we don’t need less corporate de-regulation. it’s a perfect world paul imagines where race does not matter, but it clearly still does. we let new orleans flood because of “the other” attitude.
i liken paul to kucinich on the dem side, somebody who’ll be honest, therefore vilified and disqualified from the official game.
but why doesn’t anybody bring up kos calling arnie a “d” or calling himself a “libertarian democrat” whatever that is if the site is solely to elect blah blah blah…